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What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast. Some thoughts: 1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town? 2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that. 3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage. 4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time. 5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first? On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts. | ||
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That being said, I find Slam suspicious, but I'm not familiar with his usual play (who is The Taciturn One?). Can I ask you the same question Stutters? | ||
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On August 31 2013 01:16 Stutters695 wrote: You. I'm pretty slow to roll out reads but your intro posts have said nothing but came off as you trying to not be identified as a lurker. I don't like it. I said 'sorry' because people seemed angry at the people who didn't post yet. I don't understand why that is a big deal. | ||
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On August 31 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways i am willing to believe vayne's claim. Why would he ever claim such a role? It's not like there was no more chance at all he would get killed. It is an efficient way to stay alive though... | ||
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Also, you made that BM remark earlier (not knowing if they had a win conditions), when it was being said that they were a scum faction. Now, it seems you were on the right track. Why that does not really condemn you, it makes me think you might be BM yourself. On that note, onegu and stutter, could you clarify what was being said in the BM quicktopic? I've followed the Persona game a bit. And what stands out to me is that Koshi was very active there as townie. While now he doesn't seem to do a lot, except talk about his item. | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:41 Koshi wrote: What is the point of this Black Mesa group? Stutters and Onegu? You are quite inactive till I say something, and suddenly you're back =) I've lost the post already, but someone said he had an idea with the false BM names. What is your idea? It might explain why some people don't want to post the names. I don't see a problem with learning how many BM there is and what they're called. | ||
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I don't feel like you are contributing to this game. VE, you probably have a point, I am willing to vote geript, it seems more people are acknowledging what you say. As for the BM thing. I first thought that you would be the second townie to claim. Your earlier post seemed to imply you might know more of BM. When Stutters claimed instead I was a little surprised. But I understand it could have been pure conjecture from your part. I mean, at the time I agreed with your point. | ||
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On August 31 2013 05:54 Clarity_nl wrote: nvm reading comprehension fail. Wait so.... I thought this was your first game Felkyr? You've been reading persona? I have read parts of it as it was a running game at the moment. Might not have been a good idea. However, it seemed Koshi was acknowledged as town there and he said a lot. That's why I remembered his name. | ||
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On August 31 2013 06:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Scumslip by felky, called VE town. DIE SCUM When did I call him town? Oo Anyway, if you want my read on other people. I've just caught up with the thread, and was planning to read filters now. It's too much to get in one read. | ||
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On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote: I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic: This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!" Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him"). Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH. If anything seems opportunistic to me it's this post itself. You've been targeting BH the whole game, with no clear reason or explanation (at least for me). Most of your talk is weird stuff ("roleplaying"?). He made ripples and that's why you lynch him? Can you explain to me what is between your lines? Now suddenly there is a post that must be normal and convincing for us. Several people have voted for geript, also after his claim. And they have explained why. Why is HIS vote so weird? | ||
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On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake. That underlined thing is totally true, that doesn't make me scum. It's true for town too. I'm still not entirely sure how setup speculation is defined, but if it's easy, of course I go back to that. Why did I talk about items. Because I think it is important, because it's ANALYTICAL. It's easy to think about, especially for me. The same is probably true for setup speculation. I think I'm at the moment better to think at such stuff than reading people. Reading people is hard. If I catch up with the thread, everything that catches my mind is already elaborated upon a little after that. I'm not that active in this game and I'm slow. My replies come too late. You see things before I see things, you catch up on things easier. Often, it's natural to acknowledge people's cases if they make one. But there are different cases against everyone, and I have to find my own. It's just hard. Is that so difficult to understand? I just don't want to talk shit like some people here do. I want to give GOOD cases, but if I got something, people are generally faster than me. I don't want to repeat what's already said so many times. And most things seem to be already said. Still, there are lots of people who haven't given reads on people. Some people did kinda nothing at all yet. I suppose I'm one of those though... What kind of reads did Slam give? I have thoughts about people, but often they are fuzzy. And they change when other people make cases against them. I have nothing to build upon, so I often follow the flow. But I've been asked for my thoughts, so I'll give them. I hope they help. But I suppose they won't. You want me to scumhunt, I'll try. This is day one. It'll get easier when there is more practical information. I suppose... I have no thoughts about people who don't post a lot. What can you say about that? That they don't post is suspicious, but hey, I didn't post that much either. It's easy to townread those who defend me, and scumread those who want to lynch me. But yeah... that's easy. Hiro, BH, Dandel and Slam seem scummy to me. Why? They talk shit, their cases seem weak... Is it because other people make cases against them? Probably. I don't feel good about Rayn. He hasn't said that much, and most of it is the BM stuff from the beginning. He talked about BM a lot, while he didn't want to talk about BM. He tried to sketch it as a scumteam. Looked like scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum. But now I'm not sure anymore. Oats is talking shit of me. He has a point I suppose. What what has he done otherwise? I'm the easy target. I have a townread on VE, Clarity, WoS, S&B. But in my mind everyone who doesn't do stuff wrong is town. You have to be scummy to deserve being treated as scummy. They participate, 'scumhunt', give reads. All as it should be, right? Koshi seems town, but does not seem to want to scumhunt either. The item giveaway was nice, but for me he could easily be 3p. The stuff with VA still bothers me, whatever Rayn said about that (and hey I don't trust Rayn either). He says it was purely rageclaim. Well, it was a stupid rageclaim. Really stupid. From a logical point of view that was always bad, IF he is town. Hassybaby has an interesting role it seems. But he does not want to contribute further. Could easily be 3P too. Onegu and stutters their claim seems legit to me. I certainly wouldn't kill or lynch them now. Cephiro, CC, .. they contributed, sometimes with good cases. I don't know... I wouldn't lynch geript. I have the feeling he actually might have something useful for us. I have to go now. But ask me whatever you want. I'll answer honestly in as far as I can when I'm back. Once I've caught up again... If you still think I'm scum after that, well... I die I suppose | ||
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On September 01 2013 00:56 cakepie wrote: Reverting last vote (actually extraneous, as was not posted in the voting thread.) ##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam ---- Alright Felkyr here's one for you I don't see the Black Mesa discussion from Rayn as insiduous, can you explain further why he looks like "scum who wanted to direct attention to other scum"? Before Onegu came out with his information about BM, Rayn's stance that BM should be treated as a scum faction is reasonable, no? Plus his disagreement with kitaman revolved around a misunderstanding. Is there anything else that supports your suspicions, perhaps? Alright, I have time to answer that question, then I'm gone again. Well, I was actually not sure if it really was a misreading. Maybe I read it wrong. I mean, HE states it was a misreading, but it was a nice way for him to make BM look scum, or at least create some chaos/random shit. If scum has infiltrators in BM, they might have known or guessed at that point that BM has no goal (do they?). Onegu/Stutters is that possible with the timing, when did it seem to you that BM had no goal (if it is allowed to compare those timings)? In any case it doesn't matter that much. After it was 'clarified' as a misreading, he seems to 'attack' people for not pointing out the misreading. More chaos? He hasn't done much more since then, has he? That's maybe not much, but I have the feeling this game is about accusing/reading people for not much. If you want I'll put some more time in it when I'm back, I haven't really got the time now. | ||
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On September 01 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Felkyr, why arent you asking anyone questions???? He basically posted a list post. I dont like it.. Dandel town cause Dandel town, I dunno, its hard to explain. Like town rather than scum trolling. Here is a question: Who are you? Really, just answer this question as you would like and we'll see where we get from there. On September 01 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote: /Kaslam/ Kaslam /Kaslam 333 333 333 333 333 333 333 Triforce I recommend you not call that phone number. I suppose that's not a 3P claim? | ||
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On September 01 2013 03:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Im Batman. You're the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now? And so we'll hunt you, because you can take it? Because you're not a hero. You're a silent guardian, a watchful protector... a dark knight. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist that. But I'm not sure if I should vote for you to support this awesome sentence. | ||
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On September 01 2013 11:38 Stutters695 wrote: I don't understand what you're saying about Onegu not flipping what he claimed. Can you explain? If I understand it correctly, Koshi does not believe Onegu is town. He thinks Onegu has a secret agenda as BM (together with you). Hence, he wants Onegu to be shot, so we get more information on BM (and you). What I meant is: if Onegu really flips not-town, but something BM like with his own agenda, we can be quite sure that you are part of that different agenda too. Which would be nice for town, that's sure. BUT, I'm not sure whether Onegu his claim was fake. It might be, but if it is not, we kill a townie. I suppose it is a matter of chances, but there might be better shots than Onegu at the moment. I hope this explanation was clear. If not, let me know and I'll try to elaborate further. | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote: /yawn. I could quote stuff, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll leave it at this. I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed? It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be? For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it. ##Vote cakepie Did you already explain why you tried to dissuade AG from using his power? Please do so. I also have made no attempt to offer an opinion on geript's alignment. I have thought about it, but everything I could think of has already been said one way or the other. It's complicated and I don't think I could figure it out at the moment. Cakepie might think the same. I find this a useless/weak reason to attack Cakepie. I do not like it. Also note that the changes in the list do not fit what Onegu said he could do. Onegu moved up and Stutters moved beneath him or something like that. Onegu, can you clarify? | ||
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On September 02 2013 11:56 HiroPro wrote: Yes, I already explained this. Read my filter. You're a completely new player in a fairly ridiculous themed game and indicated day 1 that you wouldn't lynch geript. That's understandable. cakepie seems to at least have a moderate understanding of how to play and has played in more than 1 game, had access to coaches, and observed games beforehand. Would it be this? On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote: Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb. It's the only thing I found between a lot of rubble. It's already late and I'm sorry if there is anything else. I find this very weak... AG made very clear that he thought very deeply about the effect of his power. For me, this is a very bad reason to tell him not to use his power. Or you didn't read, or you didn't care. On September 01 2013 09:17 HiroPro wrote: role!=alignment. The fact that he can rig votes doesn't tell you anything about his alignment, especially not in a game like this -_- You said this... I don't see anything else where YOU form an opinion of geript's alignment. What is your opinion? You have to be kidding, right? And finally: On September 02 2013 06:49 HiroPro wrote: Father...Father oh where have you gone. All I have left are your teachings and readings. When all I really wanted was your tools. sniff, it's ok. I'M NOT YOU, I CAN BE MY OWN MAN. Legendary, Revolutionary, Insurgent, Suicidal, Scribe, I will avenge you! I have your masks, this game can still be brown! Long Live The New Brown State! ![[image loading]](http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1751/brownflag.png) I suppose you don't want to explain this to me? I'm new and don't know all this metagame stuff. | ||
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On September 03 2013 04:27 Onegu wrote: Im going to vote felkyr for now the way the night actions happened he knew something was going to happen because of Black mesa qt and messed with the player list. ##VOTE: FELKYR @Onegu Would you like to explain this? I don't know anything, in as far as that would convince you. If there is more being said in the Black Mesa QT, you should tell us. Are you not the town representative there? People have asked for it several times... @All + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote: interesting, the fate is -3 at the moment so it seems hiropro is bulletproof for this next night. On September 03 2013 09:36 GreYMisT wrote: VisceraEyes' Tombstone reads: VisceraEyes, as Alphonse Elric, Drew a circle on HiroPro Night 1 + Show Spoiler [Role Pm] + Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Alphonse Elric, Brother to the Fullmetal Alchemist! Each night you may place a transmutation circle on a player. You may only have 1 circle drawn at any time, and the addition of a new one will eliminate your old one. This Circle will be activated at night after a full day of being on a player. The effect of your transmutation will depend on the fate counters. If the fate counter is negative, your target will be protected from 1 kp until the next day, and if the fate counter is [0, 4], they will be roleblocked until the next day. The first time the fate counter is 5 or greater, your transmutation will kill them immediately. After using the kill ability, the fate counter at 5 or more will roleblock instead. FURTHER INFORMATION REDACTED. You win when you are alive at the end of the game. ”Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is Alchemy’s first law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world’s one and only truth.” In addition to drawing a circle, he was shot. If I read this correctly, the circle will STAY on Hiro. Hence, Hiro will stay protected (unless fate rises). HiroPro WILL die if the fate counter gets to 5. I'm still not sure whether I want to lynch geript. As is said, he could be town. But indeed, he plays very anti-town. It would help greatly if he would explain some more. If he is able to give us another double lynch at a later time (or a voterig), that might be very beneficial. However, as he doesn't seem to want to cooperate at all, I'm afraid he will be useless or worse (and maybe scum above that). If there is a consensus to lynch geript, I will place my vote as necessary. @geript Talk to us please. @All For the second vote, I think Slam is a good choice. I have always thought of him as scummy. Still, for the most part he is unreadable for me, and I have no metagame information to help me. Most of it was his vague/shitty talk. Now, he has done something clearly anti-town. Some people say that the fact that he posted about it makes him look town, but if I look at the earlier stuff he has posted, I don't see why he wouldn't post something like that as scum. I mean, it seems like he likes to draw attention. It was stupid both as town and as scum, but the action himself makes him scum. Again, I will place my vote there if consensus deems it necessary. Talking about talking shit. Now that Hiro seems to be contributing, I feel no direct need to lynch him today, although it is still a possibility to me. He talked shit earlier and didn't make sense to me, but I'm don't know about him. It's easy to start doing the right thing when you will die, I suppose. I would like to hear from Hassy what he has to say about the Kita claim. @Koshi On September 03 2013 02:00 Koshi wrote: Also, who has the "Soul Gun"? That might be the only redeeming thing that Alakaslam did. Could you explain this? At first, I thought this was the item you wanted to give to Vayne (and that you made it for him). However, from your phrasing you seem to suggest it is good that it was changed from owner? Do you think scum made it? Below is the post that made me think you invented the item, btw. On September 02 2013 17:33 Koshi wrote: The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.; @Rayn I know you like to talk about your pokemon. On September 01 2013 22:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey pokemon dude! Do not fight! There is no reason to if you are town! You know what i mean. scum have hard time winning if you do not fight. You can also prove you are town by doing so. If you don't, i'll hunt you down and kill you! So, you are supposed to fight with another pokemon guy, right? Why would you think he is town? To me, it seems much more logical/likely that your opponent is scum or at least antitown if you are town. Why would you let people fight otherwise? That being said, like you assumed yourself, S&B could be your opponent. On August 31 2013 08:40 strongandbig wrote: i still can't decide what to do with geript. randombum i choose you! Why does his claim mean I should vote for him. And another boldface post (although not that evincive): I challenge everyone to read what I wrote about VE's case He has denied it, but of course he will do that if the chances are likely your opponent is scum. But why would he write it then in the first place? To have something to claim later on, only afterwards realizing his mistake? OR, he thinks/knows that your opponent is Randombum, which is interesting. S&B Would you comment on that? Why would you boldface that sentence? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 03 2013 19:37 AxleGreaser wrote: In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates? FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated... I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower) I could change my mind again tomorrow.. or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments. This. I am alright with the Slam lynch (reasons are clear enough I think). I'm still not sure about geript... However, I actually do not feel good about lynching Hassy. For several things posted before, he could very well be town to me. But, if I look at people who vote for geript versus those who vote on Hassy, Hassy has much more people on him who I consider townie and who have more or less my respect (people who I would sheep is, I think, the correct term). If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again. Geript/Slam is my preferred lynch atm, UNLESS we can decide on someone else instead of geript. Oats or Risen? Not going to happen I suppose... Or can someone clearly summarize for me why I should vote Hassy? (Oats didn't vote yet?) | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote: geript is speaking the truth about his -1. Currently 8 people on hassy and the vote total says 6. Lol, didn't even realize that. | ||
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1) After it was pointed out to me that the geript -1 vote was already in place, I realized Hassy could be lynched (I first thought it would not happen at all). 2) Yes, I had my doubts on Hassy, likewise on geript. But I know I'm not good at reading people, and some people I assume very townie voted on Hassy, so I did not think it would be bad to stay on him. 3) I really thought Slam was gone get lynched. I did not want to change my vote in the very end, because I thought that that would not be appreciated. + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote: um so ve wasn't master yi? anyway i read a bunch of hassy's old games. he's like never been scum so i'm having trouble finding a pattern. i really don't like his filter. there's zero discussion of who might be scum except for an ill-reasoned shoutout at wos (srsly, as far as I can tell his only read is based off of confusing who said what between wos and va?) and the "oh my action didn't go through" excuse is pretty much the only thing scum could say if they feel caught... but it could also be true... okay so conclusion: scummy filter + night action suspicion = i'm going to keep my vote on hassy. i think our other lynch should be alakaslam. i would also support a shiaopi lynch or a geript lynch, since geript is still refusing to play the game. On September 04 2013 06:26 AxleGreaser wrote: Bad town: ...110% Useful town: ...-lots% Scum ... Lots-10. Koshi: you aren't giving any reasons why people are scum. Err... I thought I had hammered on geript (with reasons) about as hard as was reasonable without just being ridiculous. The hassy situation largely speaks for itself. he has claimed failed medic action on day post it kind of meh explained. he has after being caught with claimed action thats shown not to be true found out the ooops the action was never really communicated. I dont buy the story. I do buy the story that Alak did stuff(shuffle items) that was not due to rational town motivation and not due to rational scum motivation but just was Alak being Alak. Is Alak an any day of the week policy lynch... yep sure thing. I will lynch him any day we have nothing better to do. Now, we really have to lynch Slam today. If we add the kita stuff, I don't see reason not to. I should have some more time today and tomorrow, though I'm not entirely sure. I'll try to be more active later. I'm sorry I'm not as active as I should be. Axle, can we do your plan today? If we lynch Slam, there might be enough votes to do that safely, no? On September 06 2013 00:38 Stutters695 wrote: Also can't remember if I mentioned this after the flip last night due to alcohol but the cop isn't one shot and got a green on Felkyr Yay, I am quite happy about this =D ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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I don't have much time now, I'll get back on those scumreads later. God knows I suck at those though. In any case, I think there must be several scum among the not very active players, which are listed several times. To make the bridge to your last question, Risen might very well be scum. CC has never been on my scumlist, and I never really looked into him. Like is said before, two scum on kita seems weird. But that Shaio is actually blocked is weird too, unless another scum blocked Shaio and Slam uses that to try to get away. That both are scum is of course possible, but it seems unlikely to me. But again, I'll try to read filters later and give a decent response. | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote: lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass. Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on. Why do people think you're scum when you tell the truth ffs (it's Felkyr btw)? Risen, could you at least give valid reasons, which can help me ascertain to you that I'm town or help me being less scummy in the future? Oh wait, that's not what you do. You just throw in short random stuff throughout the game and believe that that is valid contribution. On September 05 2013 02:38 Risen wrote: And why have I been chosen amongst these "others" that haven't done garb? I've certainly been around more, and I like to think I've contributed a nice amount. I haven't made giant posts, but I've been here pointing out scummy things. People just haven't really responded to me. You haven't responded to me. You just trumpet that because I don't have X number of posts or something I'm scum. A policy lynch for d3? Really? I always seem to come back to bad or scum arguments. Why don't you actually scum hunt? Is it because you're scum and can't? Town players build a case or point out scummy things in other people's play. Really, read his filter. There is nothing in there. Nowhere is there any real explanation for his votes. No real cases. The only thing I could like is his pressure on CC. But what did that accomplish? CC's counterpressure is actually more impressive... What Risen has done this game is not towny AT ALL. It's easy to target the one who is attacking you. But in this case, I think that the fact that he targets me clarifies how scummy he is. He is certainly on my scum list. My views on other players will follow. Probably later this evening or tomorrow. Some townreads (on who I will not elaborate further unless requested): Clarity, rayn, Axle | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Risen is town. Are you certain of this? =( | ||
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On September 06 2013 08:52 austinmcc wrote: Felkyr, why is risen's short stuff worse than anyone else's short stuff? Is the only thing that pulls him out of the herd the fact that he's attacking you? On the second question, I suppose so. I just discussed him first because he attacked me. Regarding the first question, I'm not sure as I haven't read a lot of filters lately, especially of the less active people. But scummy is scummy, doesn't matter how other people act. I'll use this opportunity to discuss you. Although Austin has even less post than Risen, there is more content in them. The middle post are mostly useless stuff about BM and that kind of things, but the first ones were good (compared to Risen). These are at least posts with some thoughts in them. Now, he seems to be bringing more effort in again, which might to due to the fact that the game is getting smaller. Still, his filter is short, and does not give me any significant inklings either way. I would like to see some more actual analysis from him. The sleeper cell stuff is interesting, and I figure we'll have to wait how he acts from here. I would say pretty null atm, but it could change fast if he puts in more effort (which he should). Conclusion: Risen's short stuff is worse than your short stuff. | ||
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In any case, I'll discuss OO and DB now. Coming soonish. | ||
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On September 06 2013 13:53 debears wrote: oh, and that you would try to get me lynched when you can just shoot me since you don't think I'm actually scum (or have any evidence of it) On September 06 2013 13:56 Risen wrote: Yup, worst day vig claim I've ever seen. Why not just shoot debears instead of force us to waste a lynch between you two. ##unvote ##vote: ObviousOnce Wait, wouldn't it always be better to first try to lynch someone before you shoot him? In the least you get more information. | ||
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On September 06 2013 14:09 Risen wrote: No. He should know the person staring him down is scum and/or incompetent town with a horrible read. Shoot the man and move on. And it's good to blindly shoot town who happened to have a bad read? Everyone in this game should have been shot already then. | ||
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On September 06 2013 14:22 Risen wrote: OO is the lynch now. The fact that there's a 24 hour delay on his power and no 24 hour or beginning of day restriction on debears power is absurd, but we have to deal with it. If debears lives past 24 hrs OO was lying. If he dies well lets not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Ok, really need to sleep after this. But a lynch on a townie is worse than a wasted lynch. Are we sure OO really used the power yet (if he has it)? It would be nice if we got a host confirmation or something... like the duel. | ||
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On September 07 2013 01:48 debears wrote: Btw guys, for those of you who are wondering why I Nirvana strike'd when I did, it was for these reasons Like was said before, this makes no real sense. Had you considered the fact that it might have been a pressure vote to get you ACTIVE in the game (as you yourself stated you were NOT). Don't duel him if it would make him autolynched. On September 06 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote: Voting debears, there's no way he should even be functional if he's not reading the thread without some kind of assistance. ##Vote: debears Also I think he tried something like this shit back in Nomination Mafia and he was scum there. He practically asks you to get more involved. No? On September 07 2013 02:06 debears wrote: His vote wasn't retarded. It was scummy as shit. And his claim makes no town sense with his vote either. It's also scummy the way he claimed and how he reserved his power instead of using it on lurkers early. On September 07 2013 02:09 debears wrote: The main question you should be looking at is this 1) Is OO scummy overall? 2) Was my reasoning for my vote on him solid and logical? 3) Does it make sense for me to nirvana strike at this point? 4) Does my nirvana strike on OO make sense at this point? 5) Do I look scummy overall? Those 5 questions will tell you where to vote I'd say 2-4 are pretty darn obvious yes's. 5's probably a yes, because apparently people think my scum meta is not posting at all and claiming I won't catch up all game (lol, as if I'm that bad at scum). And number 1 is apparently a yes also. Rayn has answered this pretty well, the reasoning was BAD. It did not make sense. On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. And what if OO is town and DB scum? We would lynch town today. WE WOULD LYNCH TOWN TODAY. How can that be good in any scenario. You are scum. And you work together with debear. You two set this up perfectly, the only problem was that you didn't know that OO would shoot you. Oh, and debear: On September 07 2013 02:29 debears wrote: Shiao already voted him. My power makes it a black and white "I want him lynched" rather than some grey of "oh he just hopped on shiao's wagon". Big difference Guess what, Shiao is probably also on your scumteam. Perfectly set up. I read his filter. Conclusion: similar lack of content. Coincidence? On September 06 2013 22:56 ShiaoPi wrote: I would say it is pretty easy we lynch OO. If he is telling the truth about his shot debears will die anyway, if not he was a fucking liar and is then dead. dont really see a benefit in voting debears over OO Same faulty reasoning. Why can't OO be town? Oooh, I get it, it's good to lynch town right? Certainly if scum is going to die anyway. On September 03 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote: hiro looks alright now, lets kill alakslam and hassy ##unvote ##Vote: Hassybaby I would like to have written more stuff, but a lot of stuff is already said in previous posts. If you have questions, ask. I will continue my case. And the Hiro pushing, I could see him join the team too. I will look into this further. Risen+Debears+Shiao+(Hiro)=Scumteam ##Vote: debears tl;dr: Risen, Debears and Shiao make no sense, they set this up together. | ||
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On September 09 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote: So who all is down for lynching Rayn? I know the other pokemon role and I think they're way more likely town. Stutters said the pokemon dude sounded more townie, but I'm not really sure of that. I mean... Professor Oak, Aperture Science? Pure speculation of course. But that's my point, why say the other dude is (way) more townie due to a role name (and then leaving, blowing up the thread)? Stutters, do you know more? (Note that Freeman was scum.) + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 10:10 cakepie wrote: So you are saying that you are a town pokemon trainer and despite not wanting to pokemon battle there is another pokemon trainer who has been picking fights with you despite your protestations that you should not be fighting if you're both town. Do I understand you correctly? On September 09 2013 08:29 cakepie wrote: I don't have your role PM how the fuck am I supposed to know? You don't explicitly say that your role PM confirms the presence of a player pokemon master. Only thing we know in thread is we see pokemon dying, and what you claim. Can you indeed confirm that there is a player who is a pokemon trainer, or not? Hmm, I always thought Rayn rather clear on this point (although other things about his role are more obscure), and Cakepie seemed to be on the same track too. Stutters revealing the so called other pokemon trainer in that way makes me believe he and Rayn are not both scum (or it would be some scum powerplay?). Then Cakepie comes in to 'save' Stutters. Cakepie, why are you defending Stutters like this? On September 09 2013 11:20 cakepie wrote: The wagon on Stutters was to get him to out my identity. Nothing else. Don't make some lame excuse to continue voting stutters. Especially when you were simply like It's not like Stutters has been the towniest player this game. He might not be the best lynch target at the moment, but I would like to hear more from him. Why specifically do you not want to lynch him (don't say there are better lynch candidates)? Cephiro, I suppose you are quite sure Hiro is town. Why? I mean, he changed a lot from his early game. But you obviously trust him quite completely for your shenanigans. I'm waiting on Austin's answers/explanations for his sleeper cell actions. AG, did you have any questions for me? | ||
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