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Risen
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On September 06 2013 13:59 ObviousOne wrote: "force us" lol Anyone reading this shit? Lynch him tomorrow. You're a day vig and not shooting the person opposite you in a forced lynch. Pretty clear choice you're facing here. By not shooting him you're draggin this out and forcing us to waste time. You're either incompetent or scum. I think scum. | ||
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Risen
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On September 06 2013 14:07 Felkyr wrote: Wait, wouldn't it always be better to first try to lynch someone before you shoot him? In the least you get more information. No. He should know the person staring him down is scum and/or incompetent town with a horrible read. Shoot the man and move on. | ||
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Risen
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If you are in fact a day vig with a 24hr delay then you got screwed by the hosts deciding to allow a lynch involved role to be activated less than 24 hours from the lynch. We really have no choice but to lynch OO because he might just be lying about his power in an attempt to get us to lynch debears. Vote is going to stay where it is, but I'm no longer convinced you're scum. I fucked up on the reading. I am convinced of how bad a role that lets you change the vote with less than 24 hours left is, though. Activate with 1 minute left, laugh as there's a no lynch. Solid. | ||
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Risen
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debears activates his forced lynch ability > we are forced to choose between him and OO > here we are or OO activates forced lynch ability > we are forced to choose between him and debears | ||
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On September 06 2013 14:16 Felkyr wrote: And it's good to blindly shoot town who happened to have a bad read? Everyone in this game should have been shot already then. I thought the shot was instant. If that was the case then a town OO would immediately shoot debears simply to save the town from potentially lynching him (a confirmed townie to himself). This would free up the lynch. I didn't know it was a 24 hour delay. Had I known I would have asked OO to shoot whoever he thought was his strongest scum read. The fact that he immediately sheeped me makes me think he's scum making a desperate play, though. A townie would simply shoot his strongest scum read and be done with it, not sheep with me a person he just asked to be lynched. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:15 austinmcc wrote: Abdicating defending yourself and nirvana striking right then does NOT feel solid/logical. Actually being in thread and posting like this seems solid and logical. Ugh. Gonna go read OO deeper. Risen, if you're around, wtf is this I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. | ||
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Risen
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I'm going to laugh when they're double scum and OO is lying about his power. He flips red, doesn't have the dayvig, debears gets credit (but as is being shown in thread discussion right now if debears was being truthful about his reasoning for choosing OO there's a fairly large gap). OR OO comes into thread with about 6 hours left and says "I was lying, I didn't expect you guys to lynch me so I claimed dayvig. Debears isn't actually dying. Then shitstorm ensues and someone gets lynched. I would have immediately swapped back to debears had OO claimed this prior to me thinking about the double bus, and I don't think I'm alone. Then, even with OO flip (if he's red) debears still gets cleared somewhat, except we now have some seriously faulty reasoning coming from him. I think it's a double bus, I think debears was instructed in scum QT to use his power so one of them could have a chance for staying in the game longer. I think they fumbled it. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. Bolded the relevant portion as to why OO is scum. Debears is scum in on this plan because OO and debears were both looking really bad, and with so many people now gone making this play makes sense. Just look at debears reasoning for all this, he's clearly scum. | ||
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Risen
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On September 07 2013 06:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Risen saying there's 5 people that claimed scum (and OO and debears are both scum) Am I understanding you right? I'm saying everyone who is present and has read the thread and my post outlining the double scum bus and still holds their vote on debears is scum. So yeah, if you understand what I'm saying in my bolded post and have read the thread and still choose to vote debears you're scum. Which makes sense since I probably called out OO's plan to later claim he was lying and get everyone to lynch debears. | ||
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Risen
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On September 07 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: No Clarity, Risen's point is wrong. Whatever debears' alignment is, it does not make OO scum/town. If we lynch OO "to make sure scum dies" that's retarded. We lynch one of those two. The one who is more likely to flip mafia, regardless of their claimed powers. This is wrong for reasons I've already stated. At worst OO isn't a town dayvig, he's plain old scum claiming dayvig. Best case is he is mafia dayvig and he's also killing debears for us. Something tells me this isn't the case, though, and debears isn't going to die in the night and debears will claim to have been protected by something (vet, doctor role, whatever) | ||
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Risen
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On September 07 2013 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote: So you're really 100% on him flipping scum? This is a good point. UGH What happened to this? Rayn's bad point that didn't actually counteract my logic convinced you otherwise? | ||
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Risen
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On September 07 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't understand why a scum vig would rely on living so long. There are so few of them and so many townies - it seems like scum would be more inclined to use their shot wildly. See Chezinu LXI or whatever. Unless, as I've stated, it's a fake claim and he's plain mafia or mafia with a different role relying on us to lynch debears. | ||
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Risen
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On September 07 2013 06:38 austinmcc wrote: What? If both are scum, then scumdebears challenges scumOO ... for the town cred. If he gets OO lynched and OO ACTUALLY dayvigs debears, then scum just gave up TWO scum players for nothing. So ... you think that either OO's dayvig is fake (debears kills OO, gets towncred, and OO was scum so who cares if he lied about the vig) [b]or you think ... debears is TRYING to get himself lynched so that OO looks good? You've got it. | ||
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Risen
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1) Debears lynched, OO claims his shot is gone. 2) OO lynched, we see OO flip and it turns out he was lying, Debears pretty much cleared. 3) OO lynched, we see OO flip and he's scum dayvig, his ability must be activated in PM though or some nonsense, Debears doesn't get hit claims he was protected. This is a last ditch plan due to shakiness but it doesn't have to get here because debears is the most likely one to get lynched. I'd say odds of happening are 1)75% 2)20% 3)5% This assumes a scum OO. If OO is town then shit is fucked. | ||
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Risen
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This is so fucking simple. It is SO. FUCKING. SIMPLE. Any town player looking at this who has the same limited information as me would agree here. This isn't even one of my usual crazy rants where I can in the back of my mind see that maybe I'm wrong if X, Y, Z happen to be true. This is the only logical choice. | ||
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Risen
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On September 07 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote: No one is disagreeing that his shot is fucking dumb. But as you say it would make it even more certain that we would lynch him, where's the scum motivation there? Is debears really the best shot for scum OO to make if he was just going to peace out? Like, there's no thought there, just raw emotional shot. Wouldn't a scum dayvig select a better target? It's just pure emotion. Too many things just don't make sense for OO to be scum in this situation Except the part where he comes in with a small amount of time left in the day and says "Oh just kidding I was lying about the dayvig. I just didn't want you all to kill me." Or the part where he has you fooled apparently. Or the part where scum make mistakes too. Or the part where sure now OO gets lynched but that pretty much clears debears when he flips NOT mafia dayvig or semi-clears him when he flips mafia day-vig and claims to have been protected or ignorance as to why he wasn't hit | ||
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