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United States4714 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
As far as Mig's reply, those are some good ideas but I'm not sure that the effort required for either of the solutions will be kept up for long. First of all, I would love to host PYP: LoL mafia again, (and I can, given that more than half the roles weren't used with some slight adjustments) but I won't, first of all because I know that due to the bad taste it has left in many people's mouths they will not want to play (nor I host it, really) and second of all because it is doubtful the interest will really be there.
With a committee to decide on modkills that requires people to serve (and have extra responsibility, something which many people are not capable of for time reasons or otherwise), requires people to be prompt upon reaching such decisions which amy or may not need to happen often, and will require that such an effort be kept up consistently for quite a while which just doesn't seem likely.
I am in agreement with parts of both of your posts: there are players I let into my game which I knew right away I shouldn't have (players that I wouldn't or don't enjoy playing with myself). If I had to do so again I would be much more strict in that regard---I mentioned earlier somewhere that I could probably make a mental list of the players currently on TL mafia that I am absolutely certain would not in anyway ruin a game or create an unenjoyable experience. As for the health of TL Mafia and the future of it, that absolutely does need to be considered going forward and I will admit to have being a little bit selfish in my moderation (as it was my first time and I spent a VERY long time on the setup)---this kind of thing is easily curbed by more stringent and forward-thinking rules.
Yea, I can certainly see why you wouldn't want to host your game again right away.
The committee idea I think is a way to get around the problem of motivation. The issue with having 1 or even 2 people in charge of this is if they are gone/busy/etc then you won't be able to get help with a problem which maybe time sensitive (which has been an issue with the ban list). However, if you have a committee of 5 members you only need 1 of them to comment on the situation. It would be unreasonable to expect an entire group of people to be around just to comment on each behavioral issue that pops up in games so you have a team and as long as one is around (which should be likely) then they can quickly address the problem.
So basically the only serious effort that will need to be put in by any committee member would be the initial talks where the new rules are decided on. After that all you would need to do is help out on issues if you happen to be around.
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United States4714 Posts
But the issue of hosts being biased towards preserving their games is a concern. If we are serious about changing things then the only real solution is an unbiased outside party who's primary concern is with maintaining a nice environment for all of TL mafia.
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I completely support this solution.
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United States22154 Posts
On December 17 2013 04:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Mig needs to retake his role as assistant ban list moderator and lead the reform against the apathetic tyranny of GMarshal who continues to enable this behavior with his merciful ways!
Actually, I'm considering just enacting tl behavior rules on this whole forum again. With TL bans for bad behavior, because this is reaching absurd levels.
What would people think about that?
EDIT: Actually this merits its own thread
EDIT2: thread
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On December 17 2013 07:03 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 04:07 kitaman27 wrote:
Mig needs to retake his role as assistant ban list moderator and lead the reform against the apathetic tyranny of GMarshal who continues to enable this behavior with his merciful ways! Actually, I'm considering just enacting tl behavior rules on this whole forum again. With TL bans for bad behavior, because this is reaching absurd levels. What would people think about that? EDIT: Actually this merits its own thread
Why were they ever taken town?
To be honest, as a host I could see why you wouldn't want to modkill because you set your game up with the mindset that no one is going to get modkilled and it is going to be a perfect game. However, this hasn't happened in a while. A lot of games I have been involved with have been shitfests of personal attacks and other things that would definitely be worthy of TL bans (yes some of it have been my fault but I get a lot more shit than I deserve).
I think the hosts are being way too soft and have too short-term memories as they allow the same players to play games and derail them over and over and over again. It's taken the integrity of this forum and put it in the tank and the atmosphere here is pretty piss-poor. It can't be put on 2 or 3 people as I think almost everyone is guilty of some negative behavior, but it needs to change.
Personally, I just started reporting posts because I feel like hosts are not doing enough to maintain the integrity of TL Mafia and I think that having harsher punishment and ruining a few games with tons of modkills would do us wonders for the long run.
Alternate suggestions would be to encourage hosts to have a large list of replacements to allow for modkills to be replaced or perhaps shutting down the TL Mafia forum for a few days/a week if behavior gets worse. This decision could come from a "council" of 5/7/9 veterans who could shut down the queue and suspend everyone if the bad manner gets really bad. I know the second one sounds drastic but some people have to be taught to play nice by having their toys taken away from them.
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Edit: Moved to other thread
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so, I haven't actually read most of the games that people seem to be really pissed off about. Can somebody give me some examples of how bad behavior has gotten, or post which days or filters I should look at? As I said, I have preemptively banned people from my games for bad behavior in other games before, but since I have less time to devote TL mafia now, my sense of who is poorly behaved is not as good anymore. my personal banlist feels empty! 
I think Corazon is right, more host should have their own ban list and strictly follow them. being lenient hasn't worked, and while I don't want to go full 19 fifties Sovietmore strict enforcement and perhaps player reviews post game would be good
hopefully this is legible, this speech to text on my phone isn't it amazing
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nvm missed the other thread
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Bump 
Poll: What is your favorite alternative to forum mafia?In Person Mafia (5) 22% Voice Mafia (5) 22% IRC Mafia (5) 22% I'm only interested in forum mafia (4) 17% Video Mafia (3) 13% Starcraft Mafia (1) 4% 23 total votes Your vote: What is your favorite alternative to forum mafia? (Vote): In Person Mafia
(Vote): Video Mafia
(Vote): Voice Mafia
(Vote): IRC Mafia
(Vote): Starcraft Mafia
(Vote): I'm only interested in forum mafia
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I have enjoyed both voice and irc but some of the funniest moments came on irc more often
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I enjoy basically every alternative to forum mafia except for SCII mafia.
As for my favorite, it's a close tie between in-person and video. I'll go with in-person, since I really haven't played all that much video mafia (though I'd love to host a game sometime here).
IRC mafia does produce a lot of hilarious moments, but I'm just so fucking bad at it D=
I do enjoy voice mafia as well, but it can get extremely chaotic in larger groups. So hard to talk in-turn without facial cues.
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I prefer video mafia, it's pretty engaging while still not being too weird.
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United Kingdom30775 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Let the flaming begin!
Poll: Which Is The Superior MOBA?Dota 2 (8) 57% League of Legends (6) 43% 14 total votes Your vote: Which Is The Superior MOBA? (Vote): Dota 2
(Vote): League of Legends
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Where is the option "MOBAs are for weaklings"?
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Where is "The Only True Dota: Russian spinoff in Warcraft 3"?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:11 marvellosity wrote:
Where is the option "MOBAs are for weaklings"?
That statement is mutually independent from the question!
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:14 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 02:11 marvellosity wrote:
Where is the option "MOBAs are for weaklings"? That statement is mutually independent from the question!
Well, if you are gonna stir up controversy... ^^
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"Superior" implies it's actually good...
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:"Superior" implies it's actually good...
Neo must have gotten to him ^^
Poll: How important is it to you to be considered the best mafia player?I don't care about other's opinions of my abilities (7) 28% I'm content with being considered among the top group of players (6) 24% I want to be the very best, like no one ever was (5) 20% I'm happy as long as I'm improving every game (4) 16% I wish this was the case, but I know it isn't a realisitic goal (3) 12% 25 total votes Your vote: How important is it to you to be considered the best mafia player? (Vote): I want to be the very best, like no one ever was
(Vote): I'm content with being considered among the top group of players
(Vote): I'm happy as long as I'm improving every game
(Vote): I wish this was the case, but I know it isn't a realisitic goal
(Vote): I don't care about other's opinions of my abilities
Might comment on this for my 6k blog. Interested to see what others think.
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