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On September 09 2013 19:34 marvellosity wrote: DarthPunk is so fucking awesome he's been given two slots. ^_^ | ||
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On September 10 2013 15:33 goodkarma wrote: Lol I'm both obsing and replacing apparently. If I promise to not let people lynch you until day 3 will you play? | ||
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On September 17 2013 18:31 Mocsta wrote: /in when is this starting. p.s. I'm going to be lurking this game. so feel free to call me snb On September 17 2013 18:34 Koshi wrote: The game is full. yayaya Now we need replacements for | ||
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On September 17 2013 21:04 Hopeless1der wrote: Spam will not be tolerated. Policy lynch inc. I'd love to see you try. | ||
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On September 17 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: Voice mafia is fun, but it's very shallow compared to forum mafia. Yeah I agree. | ||
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On September 18 2013 19:25 marvellosity wrote: but DP, it's just so god-damn *hilarious*, don't you understand?! I am going to assume when you say hilarious you are being sarcastic. In that case I understand. It is so hilarious i want to kill myself to escape the hilarity. | ||
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On September 18 2013 22:51 kushm4sta wrote: listen dp and all you other spam haters. nope. you are fucked. you better just /out right now. There is no spam moderation that stop my spam. First it's not clear cut what is and isn't spam. So I can spam in the form of borderlinespam and no one can really stop me. I can still full on spam too. What's going to happen? Mod warnings?? lol. spam, get warned by host, wait 5 hours, spam again. Also I can wait until the middle of the nights (all mods are sleeping) and I can spam all I want without a warning for like 5 hours. When you wake up you will see 10 new pages. You skim them page by page, ALL KUSH LOL I just died inside. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop being a curmudgeonly old sod. Just fucking play a game of mafia with your friends. I want to say if I'm scum and you're town I'd even consider not killing you N1 but I suppose I can't really make that promise, can I? god damn it. | ||
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On September 19 2013 15:26 VayneAuthority wrote: one disgusting sounding food replaced with another! I always thought it was a cobbler like a shoe maker. What the fuck kind of food is a cobbler anyway? Stupid Americans... | ||
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On September 19 2013 19:58 ObviousOne wrote: Cherry (people tend to use canned but... yeah... gimme fresh baby) and a doughy-cakey crumble. What's not to like? It looks like vomit. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE scum, 100% ##Unvote: ##Vote: VisceraEyes EZ! Now this is a sentiment I can get behind! | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP: What do you think of VE's post i voted him for? He did the same thing as town in The Game. Or something similar. I jumped all over his arse for it then and he ended up tunnelling me stupidly in response. I don't think it really means anything nor do I think it is alignment indicative. I just thought it would be funny to CC an early VE vote. Cause, you know, he would get all butthurt. Haha. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote: DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. You can't meta read me so don't even bother. God damn, it's every game. Stupid people trying to meta read me. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:49 geript wrote: Yah you're scum. I wonder who else will see it. Wow. i'm just going to ignore you cause you are bad. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:53 kushm4sta wrote: ^ lol dp acting all assholish now to protect himself from your metaread Kush. You should no better than most that I am an arsehole regardless of alignment. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:53 VisceraEyes wrote: My hurting butt is not a laughing matter.  I think rayn's vote on me is retarded because it's 100% idiotic. That's my defense. Suck it. LOL. Here is how you read VE. Call him scum and if he is town he will flip shit. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:55 kushm4sta wrote: btw dp i think you are totally metaable and i plan to do it today to assert my mafia dominance over you Good luck qt pie <3 | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I wanna hear kush's meta read on DP. I am waiting on it. I am... like... I WANT TO HEAR IT! God Damn it. I already think you are town. If you are scum I am so screwed. D: | ||
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Not sure yet. You should tunnell him and we shall see. | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm pretty sure he's trying to dominate you DP. I don't think you can handle Kush's pleasure. So DarthPunk you lightly gave assent to lynch me, then lightly backpedaled. Do you think there's any merit to rayn's "case" or don't you? Is my first post "so like...100%" scum? Nah I don't want to lynch you yet. I was just playing around and then explained why I believe your post was alignment null. But I wouldn't be against a massive shitfest between you two. It would facilitate my reads of you both at least. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote: You think I should tunnel someone you think is town? M'kay. ##Vote: DarthPunk  No I wanted him to tunnel you to see how butthurt you got. And my town read of him was basically referencing a joke from Voice mafia. You're both slight town reads. let's say 75% chance. HAHA. Final answer. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:01 geript wrote: VE. You're looking at the wrong post for why DP is scum. Please create some sort of case, which includes some sort of evidence. You mentioned meta so link some old games of mine. Until then go away plz. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I disagree that a "massive shitfest" between me and ANYONE would be helpful. Start saying things that I agree with your you can die. So VE. You think I am scum because I say things you don't agree with? Seriously? That is the same as every game we have ever played together ever. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:04 geript wrote: Well at least I know that I can come back Sunday and tunnel DP. K. See you guys then. Fuck you are useless. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: DarthPunk, did i understand you right? You want me and VE tunnel each other? Why not? It would help me read you both, So kind of useful for me. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:06 geript wrote: Cos I do what I want bish. And you want to be useless and Bad. Cool. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's fucking idiotic, even i know it... How is it idiotic? Two people going at each other usually leads to heaps of information by which you can make really solid reads. Don't see how it is idiotic. But I don't think it is necessary anymore regardless. You both seem pretty townie to me. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:05 VisceraEyes wrote: This is more like something I can agree with. The post you quoted here is extremely suspicious to me. He's trying to fabricate suspicion on you THROUGH me. Why not point to the post himself? Explain his own thoughts? I think this is really key when deciding if geript is town or scum. Like before you pointed this out VE I was basically assuming he was just bad town. But trying to push me THROUGH you is actually scummy rather than just bad. | ||
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I mean they aren't like super solid or anything, but both are in the thread posting at the start of the game which is more often townies than not. A few meta things from rayn and I liked his questioning about tunnelling VE. VE seems pretty townie due to his butthurt and the way he identified something really scummy and not super obvious about the way geript was behaving which I liked. Obviously this is all subject to change but I think it is likely that VE and rayn are town. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. I wanna try somehing this game. Let's scumhunt as a team ok? In case you are scum, you'll fuck up at some point, in case i am scum, i'll fuck up at some point. In case we are both town, HALLELUJAH! I'm not so sure about that part. Cause you know. I always think you are town even when you are scum. But sure. What do you think of what VE pointed out about geript? | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:24 Koshi wrote: Why even add the option that you are scum? Strange, I dont remember you doing that. For realz I am in bed now. Cause he knows I would be worried about that? | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean this post? I don't think this says anything.. No this: On September 21 2013 12:14 DarthPunk wrote: I think this is really key when deciding if geript is town or scum. Like before you pointed this out VE I was basically assuming he was just bad town. But trying to push me THROUGH you is actually scummy rather than just bad. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: One thing i would like to know before: geript: What post was VE in your opinion looking to, and what post he should have instead looked into? What is the post that makes DP scum? The thing is. He should have already posted and discussed all this if he is as convinced I am scum as he seems. It is telling that he did not. It is scummy that he tried to get VE to do it for him. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote: how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game?? You said you were going to make a meta case. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:40 geript wrote: Here's where he should've been looking. DP doesn't post like this as town. No real follow through or bite. Just throwaway generic DP townesque play. Firstly you're wrong. See GSL III. Secondly meta doesn't work on me. I keep telling you all and you all keep mis-using it. Thirdly I don't buy that you could have such a seemingly solid scum read on me based on that post. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:43 geript wrote: Plus, DP makes more demanding instead of passive requirements. But really why should I blow my wad all over DP just to see him not hang. First major push never gets lynched. It wasn't a major push it was a flaccid penis. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:45 geript wrote: So that's me saying I'm making a meta case. No DP is the only one who said shit about me making a meta case. Also. WoS needs to be lynched D2. OK i changed my mind again you're just an idiot. That is clearly a meta case as you are saying as town I am more of an arsehole; therefore I am scum because I am not being enough of an arsehole. What the fuck does that statement even mean if it is not meta? | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote: You keep spewing complete bullshit. I'm not going to drop a big as meta case. My points aren't based on meta. I'm not making shit about meta. I only use meta to read a very few people and for the rest it's just a way to accuse people. You're scum flat out get over it. You keep saying your points are based on meta when they clearly are. I Think it is pointless talking to you anymore. Someone please vig geript. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:52 geript wrote: Nope. Thought processes between town and scum change automatically. You being a pussy about how you're approaching people shows your innate fear. Very early passive play. Wow, you're argument has fundamentally changed after you got pressured. You are wrong so after this game if you are town I am going to shout at you about it in the post game. Anyway rayn is right. I'm not talking to you anymore as it is not productive. I would rather you get vigged than lynched. but I hope you die either way. | ||
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On September 21 2013 12:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i say this, you should listen to me. I am the king of unreasonable arguments... How is my argument unreasonable? He clearly used meta and then flat out denied it. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: tbh i read blabla than bölalalal then blalansaös. Seemed like a shitfest for nothing. Wanna lynch Koshi btw? Not particularly. Although you are the Koshi master. What is it about him that you don't like? | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:00 geript wrote: Ok. Well you either get lynched today or I shoot you until you're dead. Enjoy bish. If you are actually the vig then you should just let scum shoot me for you. Shooting me day one is fucking retarded. if you don't believe me ask marv when he arrives. This is the last time I will acknowledge you. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'. Can you please read the conversation between geript and myself and tell me your conclusions? Pretty Please? | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly, I did kind of want to do the usual thing but this thread is being shit up way too much as is. I'll wait for the other 3/4 of the game to show up and for things to calm down before I post for realz. You can't lynch me D2 if I die N1 btw. Jes' sayin'. You won't die night one in this game. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Must I? I don't really have much to say. Too much shit-flinging, too much high emotion for absolutely no reason. Like, I know I called you a curmudgeonly old sod, DP, but you are really fucking salty right now. Or acting it. Either way comes across the same. Clam down a little. Bum a fag off someone. If Geript is worth looking into he usually makes it pretty evident (IF HE PLAYS PROPERLY---I;m still kind of WTFing over your Aperture play). As for you, you're either dead tonight or scum, right? Why bother with you right now? Explain to me how geript did not make a meta read. I don't care about the emotion or whatever. I care about the consistency of Geripts arguments. Please read and tell me how geripts statement was not a meta read. Because I clearly don't understand. Oh and I was going to say you won;t get killed night one because there are a lot of good players in this game. But KP=3 so maybe you will. I don't find it particularly likely though. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is devolving in this game. Look at his last town games (in chronological order). Compare them to this game and GoT. Wasn't he town in Persona 4? Can't really tell the difference. But if you are really confident in your read of koshi I will back you later. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't think DP is playing "stupidly emotionally" at all. There's not an excessive amount of shit-flinging going on. WoS might be scum guys. :/ What do you make of geript? Do you understand how his meta case was not a meta case? | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote: VE u mak me sad. And yeah DP, Geript's points against you were meta-y even though he says they're not but why do you care? Does that make him scum? Why bother attacking him? Because he is refusing to make a meta case when his case is meta. It doesn't feel right. And I attack bad/false arguments when they are accusing me so that they can't be used to lynch me. Obviously. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly DP I have a question for you. Are you town? If so, do you want to be killed N1? Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.) All of the above questions lead to these ones: Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back? If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? YEs NO NO Because clearly trying to look useless as town doesn't work for me in not getting killed (persona 4) so I am trying to play the best I can and be clearly townie and scumhunt so that: A) I can give town the best possible start if I do die. B) potentially get medic protected Also: C) I feel like posting and scum hunting cause it's fun. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Why do you think Geript's 'case' is even remotely good enough to get you lynched? Especially in the first like HOUR of the game? I just don't understand---you really seem like you're overdoing it. NO It doesn't matter how good the case is. If someone is going to call me scum stupidly I am going to smash them to pieces for it. I don't understand your problem with it. Maybe geript is scum and by pressuring him I reveal that. Maybe he is an idiot townie. If so I will reveal his argument to be worthless and therefore not even have a chance to get lynched/Vigged because of it. And to be fair I stopped interacting with geript after not too much time. So I think you are overreacting. | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote: This is also totally how you play as 3P survivor. Are you 3P DP? There is no 3rd party in the game... | ||
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On September 21 2013 13:52 Mocsta wrote: @Geript, []hr Stop being useless. Since this 30 player game (with no OP filter links) started; approximately 1/3 of the player base has posted. There is no one I want to lynch vehemently with the current information. Who don't I like? DP and yourself are already on ignore. I dont care if scum or town, its just annoying to read and precisely why I prefer voice > thread currently. The two key people I don't like thus far are Kushmaster and Koshi. You didn't ask for reasoning, so i will comply with the request. That is a bad attitude to have. If people don't want to read don't join in the first place. SMH. How you supposed to catch scum if you don't read the only real thing that has happened so far? | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:01 Mocsta wrote: Firstly, please TL;DR what this "real thing" is. Cos from a glance is looks like a squabble. Secondly, I have no qualms reading a game. I read 130 pages in 24hrs to catch up GoT. I have qualms reading bullshit. Please enlighten me why it isn't bullshit though. Geript made a meta case on me. He then refused to explain it, or push it. And when he finally did he denied it was a meta case when it clearly was and changed his entire argument. Basically the problem is this: Is geript scummy for the way he approached the case and the way he presents clearly faulty logic hard and very confidently or is he town? Basically. Can you empathise with geripts argument and see yourself as town being so utterly confident in a DP scum read 2 hours into the game based off one post and an irrational and Illogical argument? | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:10 VisceraEyes wrote: @DP geript is by far the most suspicious person in the thread so far. It's possible he'd acting the way he's acting to get reactions or some such retardation, but unless he says as much and I believe him, I have to assume that he's not playing like a moron and that he's scummy for it. He has no meta case. He has an observation that he's supposedly suspicious over for meta reasons. I don't care enough to go check out the game because I know from my own experiences with you that you're able to have an amicable opening regardless of your alignment. And the rest of what you've done (aside from saying you want me to tunnel a townie -.-) has read pretty town to me. As it stands, I'm the most suspicious of geript of anyone who's posted. I basically agree with you but I'm not sure Moron necessarily = scum. I'm also worried about Mocsta and Wave for basically refusing to comment on geript or read that part of the thread. They seem to dismiss it as a squabble and meaningless when it is, in fact, the opposite. I'm not sure how I am supposed to take people seriously when they don't/refuse to properly read people's posts. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:12 VisceraEyes wrote: And I'm not going to get in a pissing contest over whether Mocsta will read the game or not. It's not even about whether it's "bullshit" or not, it's information that's in the thread and he's flat out saying he's not interested in it. Just let it go, and we'll see what he's got to say when something's happened that's worthy of his fucking time. ok then. ^_^ | ||
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People need to look at the actual argument and see if it is townie and whether Geript's thought process is a town process or a scum process. Scum can easily just pick a fight day one. It is much harder for scum to actually provide a solid argument when picking that fight. Therefore, less weight should be placed on the action and more weight placed on the thought process of the argument. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote: Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP. (2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. No VE picking up on geript trying to get VE to push me for him is THE KEY to reading geript IMO. And is the thing that changed my read on geript from idiot town to possible scum. I posted this already. But yeah, you didn't read the thread obviously. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:33 geript wrote: Thought process does not ever catch me as scum. I will not move my vote period. Is that because you don't think? HUE. | ||
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On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: This is an exceptionally passive way to tell Moc to do what he wants. It's an easy way to blend in and say nothing. It's like he's ordering a pizza, "I want a large with a side of Mocsta suggestions." Yes this is the type of thing that DP says at town numerous times in numerous games but additionally in those games this tends to come after a larger read or explanation or push. There's nothing important here whatsoever. It was like my second post of the game and within minutes of the game starting. Not sure what kind of push or case or read you expect to precede my second post of the game. On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: I absolutely loathe the "Haha" here. It doesn't follow from a town sentiment. It isn't a natural progression from "CC an early VE" vote to "VE gets all butthurt" to "Haha." The natural progression is: "take action to piss off VE" to "VE gets all butthurt" to "VE overreacts and shows his alignment" to "Haha." There's no push here to try and do anything to get a read here. This is just further filler fluff. Of course that part was fluff. That part was joking about VE getting butthurt from me Voting him early (i didn't BTW) Just jokes at the start of the game referencing the meta between VE and myself (tunnel and rage at each other often) On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Town fights can be incredibly useful. It's often quite easy to convince town to detunnel and have 2 confirmed town. DP knows this. DP's gotten in shitfests a bunch. What we see here is not that DP is willing to get into a shitfest to get a read, but that he wants to start outside shitfests. He wants to create room to hide in the middle. You acknowledge that town fights are incredibly useful for town and that I know this. So how does not minding a shitfight between two players make me scum? After you state it is useful for TOWN. On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Next, he's all over VE and Rayn both being town. I think he wants to make a doll that reads VE and Rayn are town and then marry it he's so enamored with the idea over and over and over. It's the comfort zone he falls into. I don't have a problem with that per se (although it's hella early to have 75% or better townreads so ridiculously early in the game when both look firmly null), it's that he's not thinking about that any further or pushing or prodding other people to find reads on them. He's not painting players green and moving on to re-look at them later to reaffirm or deny that read. You realise that 75% thing was a joke right. That is why i laughed in the post you didn't quote as soon as I said it. It was referencing EGO mini and Hydra mini. It also happens to be the base chance that someone is town by default as roughly 3/4 of the players are town. Regardless of the joke you didn't quote. Both Rayn and VE are Very solid town reads for me. On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Not only does he do a generic +1 on me through VE, ironically, he can't even make up his mind on if I'm scum or if I'm town. I play however the fuck I want when I want how I want; but he's red on me and isn't willing to pressure me one of any number of available ways (directly by interaction, indirectly by amassing votes, etc.). He's fine with putting his toes in the water but not dive head in yet again. Scum. Straight up. Firstly I am not sure if you are scum or just really bad as I said several times Well I was asked to stop interacting with you by several people so I did so. It ceased to be productive and the info was in the thread. Of course I agreed with VE"s post. It was good and I explained why I thought so. The difference is you said absolutely nothing whilst prodding VE who was voting for me to go at me. Very, Very different. You have said a lot but nothing actually useful and certainly nothing that makes me 'straight up scum' I responded to your 'case' and frankly just responding gives it far more credit than it deserves. I certainly won't respond again. | ||
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What are you trying to say? Seems like you are trying to bring up shit when you should know better. Almost everyone says they are going to bed and then get drawn back in sometimes. I think you know that. So what is the purpose of that post? | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:48 kushm4sta wrote: HOW ARE YOU ALWAYS PLAYING VOICE MAFIA Come play. | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:38 Mattchew wrote: well hello everybody... i am playing! Are you claiming nosy neighbour? | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:45 Stutters695 wrote: So who wants to lynch Kush with me? How about we lynch you instead? | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:47 LoneMeow wrote: The problematic part of Mocsta's attack on Pandain is what happened before the ninja vote. Also, wrt. Pandain, is there any valid town explanation why he'd vote but not explain his vote? Why would scum vote but not explain their vote? Does it seem like a particularly good idea for scum to do it? I think it is more likely that town would do something like that, than mafia. | ||
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On September 22 2013 01:56 Mocsta wrote: Geript as scum did it in the game. which you were in... jeezzzz louise Did I say it was impossible for scum to do it? no. But i think it is Less likely that scum would do it. Do you disagree with that? | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:03 Mocsta wrote: I don't think it matters what I think is more or less likely. I still want him to contribute to the thread by the deadline,, preferably, within the first 24hrs. I can't think of a reason why you would want a different outcome? So, if you are commenting prematurely ---> are you finding it scummy that ppl want a response? otherwise, why not just wait for pandain to comment? I don;t think he should be called scum for ninja voting. Of course I want him to explain himself. But honestly I don't want to waste a lynch on someone who doesn't post. I would rather the vig deal with them and we lynch someone whose flip is both more certain and also more revealing. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:05 Mocsta wrote: Dp VE acknowledged my points on Geript. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#687 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=35#692 Where do you stand now? Nite. Yeha that seems solid. I still think he could be a good VIG shot. I too would love to hear from Wave. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:11 Stutters695 wrote: Don't be bad plz. Look at everything he's done. Yes he appears to give a shit (both good and bad depending on how you read his meta) but in this case that's really bad because he doesn't give a single shit about finding scum. He's playing thread police and defending a lurker/giving out town reads, all of which is significantly easier than hunting as scum. You can thank me once he flips red. If you think you have the right to call me bad considering the little you have done in this game you are delusional. Don't do it again. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:21 geript wrote: There's no way you lynch me. And then you die night 1 when I shoot you in the face. Enjoy bish. If you are town I will never play in a game with you again. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:30 Stutters695 wrote: I didn't call you bad, I asked you not to be bad, implying you will be if you try to lynch me. I even said plz, that's pretty nice. Do you disagree with what I said about Kush? No. But When you popped in the thread with a one liner asking to lynch an active kush you should reasonably expect people to take issue with it. I think your case is OK. I'm not sure how much scum hunting kush does in the first half of day one usually though or what threshold kush's non-scum hunting becomes flying under the radar intentionally. So while you're case is good and the thought process is solid I'm not sure if kush is scum or just Kush and therefore I probably don't want to lynch him yet. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:38 geript wrote: Blah blah. I still refuse to take an actual stance. Blah blah Don't talk to me please. I don't want to hear it and I don't want to be baited into more shit flinging with you. Which is clearly your intention. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote: I found one odd post from DP, but I'm not sure how much it means http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=30#599 It's unlike DP to defer like this. Then again, I don't see any particular reason he'd do so as mafia rather than town. Just something I noticed. We are in a townie circle together essentially. Also last game he read Koshi correctly and I read him incorrectly. So yeah that is pretty much the reason. What do you think of geript? Do you buy his (assumed) vig claim? | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:59 marvellosity wrote: I'm not going to think about geript until I'm forced to think about geript. Which is hopefully not this cycle. It's all just this blerghy mess. It's actually not. And it's actually important. If he is a Vig he is likely going to shoot me stupidly. If he isn't he is scum. It hasn't ALL been a shit fest and there are some key points that VE made. Obviously I know you well enough to know that you will do what you want regardless. But i kinda expected you to have some input on this. | ||
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On September 22 2013 17:32 FirmTofu wrote: Just going to post my thoughts as I read. (On page 31) Mr. DP is being extremely defensive. Instead of actively hunting scum, he's running around pouring water on the fire enveloping him. This is what I don't like. Town DP is someone who reads the read carefully, deliberately, and cautiously. His accusations are usually well reasoned and well timed. This is precisely why he is always a good NK for scum and has a penchant for dying early in most games. In this game, DP is entirely different. Which games Have we played in together? | ||
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On September 22 2013 17:49 FirmTofu wrote: Persona, of course! I was scum that game. I believe we killed you night 1. I have read a fair number of games you have played in, particularly your day 1 play. There is a reason you are known to die Day 1 in nearly every game you participate in. It's because you make scum scared. Scum fear you. You aren't scaring anyone this game. That's what I'm worried about. Firstly meta doesn't work on me. Secondly Why are you trying to read me with meta when you have played in 1 game with me and that game I died night zero? You have no credibility in your meta read. Thirdly your meta read is a pile of shit. Which follows some thread analysis which came to the exact opposite conclusion any rational person would expect. What gives? Am I never defensive as town? Look at mario mini. Or any game in which hapa and I played together. I am actually often defensive when people attack me stupidly, as both town and scum. You are just talking shit, you have no fucking credibility to even attempt to meta read me. So how about you do something useful like read the game and tell me who the scum are because all you have done is cast suspicion on me whilst POINTEDLY NOT calling me scum. | ||
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On September 22 2013 17:54 FirmTofu wrote: I understand that meta cases aren't always the best. That's why I haven't made a case on DP and pushed him like an inbred retard (see:geript). I am simply posting my thoughts, nothing more, nothing less. So you are posting useless shit casting me in a scummy light and then are very clearly NOT calling me scum. What the fuck is it with bad players attacking me this game. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:29 kushm4sta wrote: dp you saying meta doesn't work on you is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard. i think you are more metable than most poeple actually. like me for isntance Clearly it doesn't work for geript and Firm tofu. Why you scum kush? | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:32 FirmTofu wrote: You need to get off your high horse and step back for a minute. I refuse to indulge you and these ad hominem attacks. Maybe my meta argument is bullshit. Maybe I am completely wrong. That doesn't mean you wave your dick around like you rule the thread and every player is a piece of shit compared to you. If you want to discuss why my thoughts are poorly reasoned, I willing to have a go at it. I will not, however, humor you if you continue to waste my time in this manner. I find it fucking hilarious that you are all upset about ad hom when you are quoting a post of yourself calling geript an inbred retard. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:42 kushm4sta wrote: well they are terrible at meta apparently Kush. If you had to lynch three players right now. who would they be and why? | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:44 FirmTofu wrote: @DP I wasn't attacking geript with ad hom, I was insulting him. There is a difference. I'm not going to make a meta case on you. I no longer believe you are scum. Isn't that convenient for you. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote: DP. Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied. Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I find it odd that FT thought I was scummy for being defensive. And then when I am defensive towards him he thinks I am townie. There is a real inconsistency in his narrative IMO. I think a scum Firm Tofu would ABSOLUTELY not want to get into it with me. Further his originally thread summary was really really off. Actually I have had some thoughts. I may construct a longer post shortly about this if you'll give me some time. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:47 kushm4sta wrote: I have no idea. probably lurkers atm since i have no scum reads? dont know who is lurking really though If you had to. Commit to something please. Give me some names. | ||
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On September 22 2013 18:58 FirmTofu wrote: I would like to clarify my intentions here. The inconsistent narrative was deliberate. Why? You are active. Accusing you allows me to read you better. Think rayn's style of play. By posting an inconsistent narrative, I can gauge your response as being townie or scummy in a quick, direct, and efficient fashion. Furthermore, I can assess the extent to which you are actually scumhunting. The fact that you noticed the inconsistency makes you look more town to me. You want to find scum. You're looking for inconsistencies. I can assure you, scum FirmTofu would buddy you until you die. You'll just have to take my word on that bit. So, what you are saying is that you accused me falsely based on some really bad meta read. and this whole time it was, in fact, a ploy in order to read me better? is that it? | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:00 FirmTofu wrote: I would like everyone to assess which players are buddying DP and look into them heavily because they are probably playing a scum game similar to how I would play it had I rolled scum. There are better town players than me in this game. So why look at the players buddying me? Why not others? | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:01 Mocsta wrote: Maybe im twisting context here.. but you buddied him the moment you rescinded your pressure.... LOL. That is true. | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:10 FirmTofu wrote: No, I accused you on a legitimate meta read that I "flavored" with some inconsistencies about your prior defensive behavior. SO in your genuine read. You put in some bullshit just so that when I picked up on said bullshit you would be able to read me? Even though you were already reading me from meta? | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote: Well you making a followup case on FT or Kush? Yes. Both. But I am playing league right now and making short posts between ques. | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:45 marvellosity wrote: Given DP exhibited this exact same response to at least one other player (geript) and probably someone else I forgot too, why is it enough to give you a townread of him when directed at you, yet it doesn't even register on your radar when he did it earlier in the thread (which you have apparently been reading)? In fact. He called me scummy for doing it earlier, and townie when it was directed at him. | ||
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On September 22 2013 19:55 marvellosity wrote: Indeed. I'd rather like an explanation for what, exactly, the difference is to make what seems to be the same thing a tell for the opposite alignment. He said he did it on purpose as a way to read me. Like he was intentionally inconsistent so that he could see if I would pick up on it or not. This was all discussed on the previous page. I don't buy it. Clearly. As I am voting for him. | ||
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On September 22 2013 20:03 marvellosity wrote: At the very best that it's extremely stupid. There's a whole thread-worth of material, including plenty of yours to be looking at, and he feels the need to indulge in some silly 'game' to read your alignment. Why??? Almost anything else is better to do than that. Because he got caught in a huge inconsistency and then made up that it was all a plan to get out of it? | ||
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On September 22 2013 20:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and DP I've asked this of you before, but why in the hell are you so angry this game (or at least acting as such)? I've seen you get like this at various points of a game but never so consistently throughout and obviously so. This is what made me talk early on about you 'overdoing it.' Because people are attacking me stupidly based on meta they clearly know nothing about. Also geript has been a total fucking dick wad this game if he is town. And has repeatedly try and rile me up. Look at Ego. I did the same thing when scum oats attacked me stupidly based on meta. | ||
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On September 22 2013 20:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey DP, I don't know if this is your first fucking rodeo or something, but hey guess what? People accuse each other of shit all the time! Both stupidly and intelligently alike! Welcome to mafia! My suggestions is calm your tits and play the game without resorting to the angry tone, again either fabricated or real. Scaring FT away doesn't do a whole lot for us but it certainly makes it easier to accuse him of being scum which appears to be what you want? Now if you please, have a look at my earlier post for me and if you have any thoughts on the matter I'd like to hear them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=51#1005 I've played the same way for a long time. I am not changing just because you say so. | ||
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On September 22 2013 21:09 WaveofShadow wrote: See, but that's where I don't believe you. I've played games before with you in which you were not this constantly incensed. I'll go have a look at those now, actually, because it may in fact be that as you say, you only get this way when people accuse you of being scum. That's pretty hilarious actually if true especially considering you say you're 'not meta-able.' I do it as scum too. So no. not meta-able. Also I'm playing league. I will post when i feel like it. | ||
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Clearly though. I have asked questions and scum hunted. I am actually not sure what yamato is saying here because I was pressuring FT on his reads and the consistency of his narrative. Which lead to a thoroughly scummy result. Honestly if everyone is going to call me scum stupidly then I am just going to ignore you all. On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote: Scum DP is actually more likely to only argue the entire game than town DP is. Honestly, DP refusing to do anything OMGUS people the whole game is not a point in his favor, it is a point against. You should know better, because in Persona, he was actually somewhat useful despite there being arguments in the game. Unfortunately, if DP is mafia, you're probably just bad. This whole situation between you and DP is entirely too convoluted for two scum to have constructed. And yes, I am calling DP mafia, for the record. He can very well play this game properly and not like a butthurt noob. this is a vast oversimplification of what I have, in fact been doing. I am not playing like a butthurt noob. For the record. I was relentlessly attacked by geript and tried VERY hard to not engage his blatant baiting. Then I had a productive (in my mind) talk with FT in which it became pretty clear to me that he was scum due to the inconsistencies in the claimed reasoning behind his reads. To be honest I am just about done playing with the Yamato's, Geripts and Firmtofu's of the world. | ||
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In between those cases I have been asking questions and have been trying to figure out the game. His posts read as if he has only skimmed the thread lightly rather than actually absorbed and thought about what has happened in the game. | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you look at Koshi and what do you think of Mocsta's recent posting? I have had a town read on mocsta for a while now. After a weirdly funky start he has been questioning and engaged with the thread. And when he says things it seems he has actually read and understood the thread which is more than I can say for most of the people in this game. I still need to read koshi's filter. But he has certainly been a non event in this game. The Key thing is whether that is because he is actually not doing much or because he is flying under the radar. | ||
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On September 22 2013 22:20 yamato77 wrote: RE: Mocsta Has toned down his play to some extent but his early game still bothers me. His outright refusal to respond to me is ridiculous and a pathetic excuse to not face your accuser. I think he doesn't want to argue with me because he knows I can catch him. If Mocsta was town, I would have expected a far more vehement response to my accusations than "blahblah I didn't even read Yamato's posts except for the part where he called me mafia. Totes not true." Wait. Wasn't yamato talking earlier about how scum mocsta was more aggressive/dickish? and now he is saying he would town mocsta to act that way. That makes no sense. | ||
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Like I am unfamiliar with the standard of play required from Koshi. If it is a high standard and he is usually active and curious and writes good posts then I would be concerned that he was flying under the radar. But if I discounted meta, then I would probably not want to lynch Koshi and here is why. On September 21 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: :D I do not want to lynch geript. Reason: He is making cases + he is a friendly fellow. I could lynch WoS atm. He tried to fling shit at VE for not going to bed when he said he was going to bed. Unless he is VE his mother there is no reason to make that post. On September 21 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote: C. Koshi doesn't give 2 fucks about the case but loves the fact geript makes cases. <Addendum> The case wasn't total shit for being a couple hours into the game. So extra points for geript. Also, I am not defending geript. You keep asking me about geript. I simply answer. Why is Geript making cases alignment indicative. It isn't. I just don't want to lynch geript atm. I have 0 clues about geript his allignment. Is DP scum? I am not lynching DP. Scum got 6 nk next 2 nights unless crazy vigi happens n1. Let's see if DP is still alive day 3. I like DP posting as well. Now ask me new shit. And answer my question. Why didn't you consider the fact that Kush wanted to see you 2 modkilled for posting "..." in the silent period. And why are you so butthurt about that fact? You even voted kush. Rules are Rules. Here he states when questioned about both myself and geript that he does not want to lynch us? Why would a scum that is trying to fly under the radar take that position on both of us? I think as scum it would be far easier and more convenient to just side with one or the other and no one would really care. Saying that you don;t want to lynch either draws attention to Koshi and if we read his filter and decide that he is trying to lay low, taking a controversial position just does not gel with that mindset. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:09 Mattchew wrote: has anyone ever seen someone go back and read the thread and provide updates as they go along as scum? and i can get down on a yamato vote for reasons stated above by others or a stutters vote cause hypocrisy I've done it as scum. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would scum want to side with one of you two in case; (1) You are both town? (2) One of you is scum? (3) Both of you are scum? Because when the whole thread is giving out town/scum reads it is a lot more convenient for a scum who is laying low to say. 'Oh X is scum and Y is town', than to say 'I don't know who is scum or town but I don't want to lynch either of them.' | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:14 Mocsta wrote: This is assuming at least two of (Geript, DP, Koshi) are town I gather? What if Koshi/Geript is scum, and you are town? This scenario is equally plausible in my opinion. That is true. But I hadn't considered it because the more elaborate a situation is the less I consider it when making reads. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: town pitbull I dont have the energy or time to be a town campaigner. Im the interrogator. Which I guess is the non-provoked DP role. :p Seriously. I feel like I have to shut this nonsense down hard or every game people who have never really played with me or have no real grasp on meta/my meta will call me scum retardedly and it all starts over again. People have tried to read me off meta and have never, ever succeeded. In fact, one of the few times I have been mislynched was a dumb meta case on me by blazinghand. And when I say that it was dumb it was ten times better than the meta that Yamato/geript and FT bring up. There is only one person that I know of whom has correctly meta read me several times and that is Keirathi. So when I say meta doesn't work on me, What I am saying is that meta does work on me for you And I am not talking to you specifically mocsta. I am just getting all this frustration off my chest. <3 | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Correct me if i am wrong but i think the only one who gave a strong scumread on either one of you was you? No i think a few people came out over the course of the day leaning one way or the other. I dunno dude. Like you could be right, and I clearly don't have the same grasp on reading koshi that you do. But after reading his filter and because of the other stuff I brought up I certainly don't think he is very scummy. He could be lying low. Or he could just not really be trying. I can't tell which so I think a Koshi lynch would be a bit of a gamble honestly. | ||
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Clearly town should not lynch marv day one or two. But I thought it was interesting that I don't really have a firm read on him either way when I usually do this far into day one. Like I see people give him town reads and I just don't see it. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:33 Mocsta wrote: I have accepted that marv activity may never reach the pinnacle it was 9 months ago. So I have adjusted my expectations of him. I have a lean on marv but it could reverse depending on flips. I agree though, leave him alone a cycle of two. If he is town, he will come into the thread himself. I haven't played with him for a while so I wasn't aware his posting rate dropped. It is certainly weird to see a 3 page filter marv when he used to have up to 20 page filters day one. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Town Koshi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569&user=Koshi http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424349&user=Koshi Scum Koshi: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423047&user=Koshi In addition to what he has exactly posted, which one of the games would you say mirrors his play in this game the best? Reading. I'll be right back. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm gutreading Yamato as town. He doesn't always use the best logic in the world, but when he's town it shines fairly brightly. I don't really know what you mean by his absence affecting my read. He dropped 1 massively crafted post. Then left without waiting to see the responses or flesh things out via interaction with the thread. That in itself is scummy IMO. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh, i get what you are saying. Don't read the whole filters obviously. Read the first ~2-3 pages, that's where we are at atm. Well If that is the case I feel like this game is more like his town game. In his town games he posted many one-liners. in his scum game his posts were generally a paragraph in length and he posted far fewer one liners than his town game or this game. | ||
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On September 22 2013 23:57 Mocsta wrote: Yeah, but thats a relatively easy tell to produce as either alingment, especially when its your trademark. Just like DP being a tunnel machine as a trademark  --> Just JokesHeres one for you. Some gave yam a town read because he "broke up the DP/Geript thing - "constructively". Do you classify that as an alignment indicative action? I wasn't going to say anything when i firsted picked up on this in the interest of not shitting up the thread with the same old useless shit. But when pandian posted this it was clearly false. I had been trying hard for a long period of time to not engage with Geript. So when yamato originally posted that we should stop when I already had it was pretty WTF?!?! When pandain said that yamato was to thank for that I was even more WTF?!??! and realised neither were reading the thread properly. | ||
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On September 22 2013 06:01 FirmTofu wrote: Ello peeples. Why did DP capitalize "Bad"? I dun lyke sekrits so plox explain Mr.DP. Now this is clearly a piece of blue hunting, but notice how he tries to downplay his question? Like he doesn't want to be taken serious in his blue hunting because he has inherent guilt and knows it is suspicious. Thoughts? | ||
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If he was town, and bluehunting, why would he ask it like that? Why would he downplay the question and act like it's not serious? To me it is because he felt like it was suspicious and the way he asked the question is often a normal reaction to performing acts by which you feel guilty or know are suspicious. | ||
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On September 23 2013 01:50 Stutters695 wrote: Part 1: A Study in Kush See previous case + wants to lynch Coag via sheeping. Tack on excessive trolling and more importantly: not giving a single shit about the direction of the lynch at all His point on lonemeow is actually good but you can see how little he cares because he never brings it up again. His Mattchew point doesn't demonstrate a scum mindset and he has zero justification at all for throwing umasi and I in there. This dude is one scummy scummer. Yes I agree. I know Kush can care about the game as town. And this game he is doing sweet fuck all. Like, he is posting but he doesn't give a shit. I want to lynch kush the most after Tofu. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:01 justanothertownie wrote: I read his filter and I must say I don't think it looks scummy. Especially his updated read post looks townie to me. The only weird thing is the vote on ray which he didn't really explain. Why does it look townie? Is town or scum more likely to post one large post and then have zero interaction afterwards? Don't just say things. Explain why you believe them to be so. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:13 justanothertownie wrote: Well you are right - there is not much interaction found afterwards. Is this a scumtell? I don't know. If he doesn't post more before the lynch it maybe is but for now I won't read to much into that. I liked the post because I can follow his reasoning. Especially about FT and VE. Also he is attacking vocal people left and right. I don't think scum would do that this way. You know how everyone says scum wouldn't attack vocal people? that is the exact reason it is perfect to do it as scum. Further it is not that him not posting afterwards is a scum tell It is more about the way you would approach things as town. As Town When I put in a lot of effort to write a long post that has all my reads and calls several people scum, I like to stay around afterwards so I can both read what the rest of the town is thinking and respond and clarify parts fo the case they may not understand or things they disagree with. That is my natural inclination as town. Now think about this: Are town more likely to post one large heavily edited post and then feel like there job is done and leave the thread? or are scum? | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:26 justanothertownie wrote: I honestly think this depends heavily on the player. Generally it might be something more scum oriented because it is a lot of contribution but can be posted very controlled and double checked so there are no inconsistencies between the single reads. But I don't think that's something townies don't do at all. In this case it might be a good idea to wait an see if yamato continues to be active about it don't you think? Maybe. But what I think doesn't matter to me right now. I want to know what you think. Specifically I want to know how you formulated your town read of yamato. Now. You said that you liked the post because you could follow the train of thought. Why do you think having easy to follow posts is a town trait? surely scum would prefer their posts to be as easy to follow as possible? Or did you like the posts because you empathize with what yamato was saying? | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:35 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe I didn't formulate my reasoning optimally. So, by saying I could follow his reasoning I meant to say it makes sense to me. I come to similar conclusions about FT and VE for example. OK there it is. Thanks. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:41 Pandain wrote: That is too complex to answer lol, I can answer short questions now but don't want to become too involved in the thread right now. l I'm sleeping now so can you provide an answer for me in the next several hours? Also tell me if shitting up the thread is a town tell, scum tell or a null tell. | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote: Btw, I'm not sure what I make of DP read-wise, and I highly, highly doubt I'd push for his lynch today, so I'm not sure how productive it is to talk about it now, especially as he's not here to explain it himself. Well I am here now. Got 20 pages to read. Basically I don't want to lynch koshi because after reading 2 of his town games and one of his scum games, Reading his filter this game, and discussing with rayn I didn't think it was better than a coin flip lynch essentially. I said I would back rayn later if he was super sure cause I wanted to be super townie friends. Problem is I didn't follow through cause I didn't think it was a good idea. @Wave. About not mentioning your case on FT. I read it and I thought it was good at the time and was part of the reason I felt suspicious of FT. I just didn't see the point in rehashing it. Sorry if you are upset about that or something ^_^ | ||
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On September 23 2013 07:51 marvellosity wrote: By the way, this is total bullshit. This is the only time (as town) LoneMeow has ever mentioned Umasi. "Notoriously biased" based on this? Really?! Hehe. When I read this I thought they were referencing their newbies or something. That is what I put it down to at least. | ||
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On September 23 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I'm impressed---I've actually been holding back regarding lurker bitching this game because people tend to call me out for it for dumbass reasons. Suffice it to say I'm still plenty pissed we're going to have like 5 modkills, but outside of those the lurk isn't THAT bad. If you look through my filter though I did make a post on what I feel should be done with lurkers. Why is DP obvscum, G-ript? And since DP refused to do it, do you mind looking at my analysis of FT's first post and telling me what you think? Oh by the way. I have a super super solid town read on Wave for getting all annoyed that people aren't reading his analysis. | ||
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On September 23 2013 09:45 s0Lstice wrote: Here's a votecount for you cats kushm4sta (0): VisceraEyes (0): DarthPunk (1): geript, geript (0): Pandain (0): WaveofShadow (0): Coagulation (1): Mocsta (2): LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority (0): Stutters695 (0): [UoN]Sentinel (3): Koshi (1): Chairman Ray (2): yamato77, yamato77 (3): VisceraEyes, Mattchew, [UoN]Sentinel Umasi (0): FirmTofu (1): Koshi Tough shake for [UoN]Sentinel. He's fish food in pretty sure I am voting for FT FYI. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:44 geript wrote: So DP... Any last words? Not really. You decided I was dead by my second post of the game. I will flip green, you will prove you are an idiot, and I will never have to play with you again. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:56 FirmTofu wrote: I'm back at the worst possible time. ugh. Sorry, I had an extremely busy day today. Any questions for me? Don't talk. You are supposed to be dead. | ||
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On September 23 2013 11:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The right person has been flipped. I made two mistakes that we can talk about post game. The first is that I forgot to update the OP after this post: The correct deadline was reflected in the day post, however I understand how having the OP contradict the day post created confusion. I will not modkill any of the players who missed the deadline. Secondly, the vote tally is currently incorrect, DP did vote for FT. However I incorrectly included Chairman Ray, VE, and geript's votes which came after the deadline. When these votes are removed, Chairman Ray reaches 5 first and is still lynched. Any other issues can be brought up postgame. Mocsta's vote was 1 min before the deadline. Also, clearly you were counting those votes earlier and now you are not counting them in order to preserve the Chairman ray flip. I fundamentally disagree with that. Firm Tofu needs to be flipped. | ||
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On September 23 2013 12:07 yamato77 wrote: It really doesn't make a difference. Yes it does. Firm tofu is scum. Chairman ray was not. | ||
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On September 23 2013 12:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't you may be the only person who doesn't wanna kill me and I need at least one person Lol that is a nice change of pace for us VE. | ||
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On September 23 2013 12:11 FirmTofu wrote: Can you please link me to the post where geript claims vig? Thanks. How about you read his filter? | ||
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On September 23 2013 12:13 geript wrote: So you gave me a town read and didn't see any ANY??? Of the times I told DP he was getting Shot? That's because he is scum and not reading the thread. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:16 Mocsta wrote: Dp. Question Do you known to ever troll? What? I am going to interpret this question as 'Am I known to ever troll' and the answer is no. I may have trolled a few times in previous games. But I generally try my best in every game I play. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:23 ObviousOne wrote: Hokay then. Do not Vig DP. Unfortunately. I don't think geript will change his mind. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:27 ObviousOne wrote: If he shoots you I will not rest until he is buried. He's aiming for scum VIP two games in a row. Why would you do that? If he vig's me he is likely the town vig no? To be honest I would like the medic to protect me from his vig shot. It is my only hope. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:31 Mocsta wrote: Correct. On phone so sorry. I'm notorious at bad typing when phone posting. So if u do t troll.. why did u troll Ve at start of game? The answer is in my answer. I troll sometimes for jokes or fun. Generally at the start of games. When I answered your question I assumed you were meaning the bigger picture. IE am I known to ever play like Chezinu. the answer is no. I do sometimes troll, but my play in the scope of the entire game is never trolly. You get me? | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:32 ObviousOne wrote: I'd settle for him getting himself modkilled for playing against his win con. Well. That would be nice. But I think he is just bad at this game and genuinely believes I am scum. When I flip green plz call him an idiot for me. Deal? | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:34 ObviousOne wrote: I'm trying to figure out how this has any fucking relevance at all. Hey let's ask a series of questions to make it look like we're participating! Yes. it is odd. But I am sure that Mocsta has a purpose behind these questions and we will know what that is soon enough. | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:43 Mocsta wrote: I get u DP. For the record. Early game I could see u as scum. I.e. around the time Geript voted u. Yes. but could you see me as scum for the same reasons that geript could? | ||
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On September 23 2013 13:44 Blazinghand wrote: wow we lynched the parity cop D1. this town would be so lost if I hadn't replaced in LOL. | ||
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On September 23 2013 15:20 Mocsta wrote: I'm actually more than happy to comply with ve request to die. Martyr is not alignment indicative Esp if clarity_nl But this is VE we are talking about and he is town. Scum won't let him live. (well, as scum I let him live as cop till endgame so we could mislynch him HAHA) But in general scum won't let him live. And I am telling you he is town. This is what he does as town when accused for what he perceives to be no valid reason. | ||
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On September 23 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote: Btw If ve is town for martyr Where does lm fit? VE is town not for matyring. But because he is sulky when being called scum. I think LM should be vigged. Along with kush, Risen, and the other lurkers. | ||
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On September 23 2013 16:22 Mocsta wrote: I would think kush should be replaced with VA on that list. Read kush's filter and then read Stutters case on kush. Then think of the last two games of his where he clearly gave a shit enough to be night killed. Then come back and tell me Kush is giving a shit this game. If you can do that then I can re think kush. Up until that point I think kush is likely to be scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 16:55 Koshi wrote: He actually got misslynched last game (golden sun), while he came off a very good town game in Persona. Dnu about Kush tbh. Wouldn't shoot him. Oh ok. But yeah. He has the ability to give a shit about the game and this game he clearly doesn't. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:07 Mocsta wrote: Marv.. I detect issues between u and risen in the scum qt, no? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:04 marvellosity wrote: I don't give a crap what he crumbed. What goes through someone's mind when they're a total noob to purposefully play scummy? To avoid the nightkill they're going to obviously draw in their grand noobiness? Also, could the vigilante please kill Risen? He's playing like a cunt, he's ruining the game by signing up and not playing. What kind of cunt purposefully tries to ruin the games of others? Fuck off and don't sign up if you're not going to play. Marv, why so angry at risen and not at all the other useless lurkers? | ||
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Liek there are at least 5 players who haven't posted a full page of filter. Pandain, Onegu, Cephiro, Lone Meow, Vayne Authority I guess some have been replaced. I just want to know why you are mad at risen so bitterly and not at useless lurkers in general. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:34 Koshi wrote: Dont understand why you think that rayn is 100% town if his 70 post towards me are total null. People like yamato, those are 100% town. Yamato is not 100% anything. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:36 marvellosity wrote: Some of those players just weren't there. Pandain actually looked like he was trying while he was here. Vayne is pretty dickish but hopefully he'll start playing. Risen should know much, much better but he decided to stick around and post one or two one-liners just to troll the town. He was actually here at various points and decided to do nothing. It's... annoying. Really? you think that Pandain was trying? Even though the hosts massively fucked up the deadline he never came back into the thread at all after I asked him some questions before i went to bed, He didn't vote at the deadline or when the deadline was supposed to be. Vayne is posting poems in character. And not doing anything. Both those players should know better. As should Risen. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:41 marvellosity wrote: What's the point in this DP? It seemed really weird to me that you burst out all angry at risen when others have been just as useless and should hold similar expectations in the quality of their play. But I can kind of understand that you thought him actually being there was the difference. Just seemed odd. Not scummy necessarily, just odd. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:41 Koshi wrote: 100% town. His last scumgames compared to this. 100% town. The only reason he might be scum is because he found new love in rolling scum because he played voice mafia with you guys or something in those lines. I agree that this is nothing like his last mafia game. But, to be fair, he didn't actually try in his previous mafia game. So if he WAS trying. Then he could play like this as scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote: See above. Yep. I understand. It is incredibly frustrating. | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote: Finally got some decent reads. :D Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation. As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them. We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term. Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots. Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used. Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned. Where are you're decent reads. This post is just a rehashing of the previous conversation in the thread about vig shots and lurkers. Basically mirroring exactly what was said. | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:56 geript wrote: So is nobody else find coag's choice of shot weird? I mean, at least he's town then and shit but ugh. You have no right to be questioning others choice of shot when you plan on shooting me. None at all. | ||
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On September 23 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote: I really cannot be bothered to comment on all the people who have claimed vigi and who are claiming to use their shot on x and y. Pretty much what will be will be. Really? you are just going to sit back and let geript vig me? I would expect you to point out how dumb that would be. But you don't care? | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:05 geript wrote: So you just chose to give me a townread after skipping most of my posts? Where's the sense in that? I read it after. It was not compelling. | ||
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What is dull about it? I believe he is a Vig. I believe I am getting shot incredibly stupidly, I obviously can't do anything to get geript out of his moronic tunnel, So I need other people to do it for me. I am legitimately concerned about getting shot. And I don't know why you wouldn't be concerned about me getting shot. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:09 DarthPunk wrote: I read it after. It was not compelling. er wtf? i quoted the wrong thing | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:06 FirmTofu wrote: I can't help you if you don't keep reading. I did. It was not compelling. FIXED! | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:13 Koshi wrote: I think geript is total boss. He is a parity cop, he pretends to be shooting you. So scum wont kill/rb geript, and wont kill you. Total boss town play. I did consider something similar. But then his attacks on me felt to genuine. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:13 marvellosity wrote: If someone says they're going to bathe in shit, then me telling them it's a bad idea probably isn't going to stop them bathing in shit, because it should be obvious enough already. Sigh. People listen to you marv. You are usually very good at pointing out that people are about to bathe in shit and then convincing them that bathing in shit is a bad idea and should be avoided. Earlier when I spoke to you you said you didn't want to talk about it because it wasn't relevant at that time. Well it is relevant now and you still don't want to talk about it. In fact you seem to be ok with it happening. Doesn't make sense. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:18 marvellosity wrote: The world doesn't revolve around you DP. This is the most uninteresting conversation I've ever had in a game of mafia. My arm might fall off it's so fucking boring. You scum marv? | ||
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I wouldn't want to lynch an asset like marv tomorrow. But on day three maybe. I think marv could be scum. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:23 marvellosity wrote: yeah, and I'm triple stacking you tonight. I would love that. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP, look at what geript did in Aperture. "I'm a motherfucking town vote rigger! Therefore i'll draw every single vote on me on D1 by playing stupid and i'll execute BH (who was town) just because". In case geript is town and a vigilante you are not helping yourself by telling him how retarded he is, because by doing that he will 100% shoot you no matter how wise/unwise that is. Do something else instead. I have not seen much scum reads/analysis from you this game, and i honestly think that's a bit worrying. You did enter shitfests with geript/FT, then called them both scum and voted for FT. Who else do you think is scum? Yeah. I think marv could be scum. I'll post a thorough case on him by deadline. It is hard to get marv lynched so it will be a lot of work. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:26 geript wrote: Hey, I had good reasons to execute BH. They were wrong tho Then they were not good reasons. Christ, when you vig me I hope to god you don't say you had good reasons for it. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:28 marvellosity wrote: I do miss the traditional DP-tunnel. Yeah, this is not even close to that cutie. | ||
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On September 23 2013 20:29 marvellosity wrote: Seems you've already made your mind up. From "marv could maybe be scum" to "I will post a thorough case" without any legwork in between. Interesting, no? Not really. I thought you could be scum a while ago, but held back because it is tedious fighting with you all the time. But this game you just seem to give far fewer shits than I would expect. Like. I could read your filter a few times and change my mind. Not saying it is impossible. | ||
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On September 23 2013 21:20 marvellosity wrote: I'm going to attempt to shut down your case right now, if you're going to use meta. I guess you can take it or leave it, but I probably won't say anything else on the matter. When I play scum, I try pretty hard to fake 'emotional investment' in town, to varying degrees of success. In this game, it's been pretty clear I've been trying to remain emotionally uninvolved as far as possible. Now, perhaps this is a new style of scumplay that I'm trying - I've decided that being cold and analytical will give me the best scumresults. If you believe this then there's not a lot I can do. Simplest and correct explanation is that I'm town, trying to keep emotionally stable and on an even footing as much as possible, and that this isn't my first scumgame ever where I'm actively trying to be UNemotional. Yeah, i'm not talking about you being unemotional. Clearly you are emotional (Risen) this game. I am talking about how engaged you seem to be in the game and in scum hunting in general. Anyway. You don;t have to defend youerself until I read you properly. I may not think you are scum after that anyway. | ||
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On September 23 2013 21:51 marvellosity wrote: You should probably filter yourself before you complain about what yamato has said about you here, which is 10x as mild as some of the things that you said. And also, Sentinel has been added to the shitlist. It's not so much that he changed his mind, but the manner is just awful. The same content goes from "nothing looks scummy" to "he is the best chance to flip mafia today" with nothing in between. There's nothing to indicate why the massive change. I don;t mind it in one or two games but it has been every single game. Like. I say rude shit, but at the start of a new game it is a clean canvass. Yamato has just been dick mode for ever. | ||
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On September 23 2013 21:56 marvellosity wrote: yamato's not being a dick, and if you genuinely think what he's doing now is crossing some line, then yes, you should probably stop playing mafia, because he's not been unfair or overly harsh. Yeah. I probably should. It's just a build up of yamato going at me every game of forum and voice mafia I have played in for like 6 months | ||
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On September 23 2013 22:04 yamato77 wrote: I did not call you mafia in Les Mis. You WERE mafia in Catch 22 I don't even remember other forum games I've played with you in that time frame. You did it at the start with perfection. then catch 22, then for a while at the start of Persona. And all the voice mafia games don't help. And then this retarded geript tunnel on top of everything else. I'm just not having fun anymore. | ||
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On September 23 2013 22:05 marvellosity wrote: Let DP cool down, there's no point arguing about whatever there is between you two. Hopefully he'll come back with a fresh head and continue playing. Until then there's no point talking about it. Nope I'm done with mafia. maybe i will come back when vigi's don't tunnel you from your second post onwards and say they are killing you night one repeatedly all game. I either get shot or called scum at the start of every game and it is boring. | ||
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On September 23 2013 22:18 marvellosity wrote: If you've genuinely asked for a replacement, then stop posting please. Will do. | ||
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