EPTTL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 275
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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justanothertownie
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On October 02 2013 01:04 kitaman27 wrote: Both players are not contributing. However, FT is attempting to appear as if he is contributing, while stutters is simply gone. Look at these phrases. They are far too self-aware to be town. Also, look how concerned he is about other's opinions of his. He spends more time looking for others to question him, than he does questioning people he actually thinks are scummy. "Just ask me whatever and I'll respond as best I can." I did this a lot this game. That alone is no point against him in my opinion. His voting pattern and general contentless posting is though. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
##vote: iamperfection Risen's interactions with the thread since geript's death have felt pretty townie to me. I don't feel good about either the FT or mocsta lynches. With mocsta, it's just... like... I can't get over the fakeclaim thing. Honestly, if people feel like they have to vote him for that then fine. But his "stream of consciousness" stuff hasn't felt scummy to me. Rather vote Lamper-fection. ve's case was dece and he really hasn't felt like his townie self. I dunno, it's the lynch I feel least bad about right now I guess. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THIS POST. On September 30 2013 11:50 geript wrote: First off, Risen calls out Ceph for bad reasoning which is EASY TO DO as scum on scum. The important difference is how he follows up. He's not interested in pressuring him. He's not interested in trying to throw the "public town eye" further towards him. He doesn't do shit about it. Instavote and insta switch. Again SUPER EASY justification to switch his vote off of scum. As town, I don't give a fuck who I vote for; I'll throw my weight around as I want and pressure like a hammer in thread or in vote. Nor do I generally care who the fuck votes for who because it doesn't help me. But one thing I know is that throwing out an odd vote is odd and it's fine to pressure for that but justifying voting for someone who you "don't believe the hype" on and then instaswitch on them just for a weird vote is ridiculously odd and scummy. Next Risen tries to discredit Yam despite the fact that the only way Yam is scum pulling this off is if Coag is also scum. 2 people pulling that type of play as scum is gutsy and stupid and puts you at risk for very little reason. He's not furthering the discussion or pushing a point other than throwing dirt. SCUM SCUM SCUM Mocsta and Sent scum reads come out of nowhere. The Mocsta read is complete bullshit as anyone who's read the OP would fully expect Framers/GF/whatever. Hell, we didn't even fucking know that Vanilla Scum could exist. More importantly, this was at the time when many people were leaning towards on Sent. No anaylsis of him just a generic +1 of a lynch. Bottom line: FT, Moc and Sent are town because Risen is scum and scum never put more than 1 other scum in their list. Why is this phrase necessary? If it's bullshit reasoning Marv should be called on the table for his read and vote/unvote/vote. This phrase is just him trying to not draw attention to himself. "Uhh i'm not calling you scum, I just want to get this clarified without really getting in the discussion." So LeonMeow is scummier for voting for your scum read because of the specific reasons that he gives? Apathy can be a VERY VALID reason for being scum. Yet again, this is just shit flinging on another lynchable player. More bullshit "reasons" for FT to be scum. About an hour apart from each other. FT is scum because he's quiet and absent but Cephiro isnt. He's just trying to push the FT lynch over Ceph without giving himself a backdoor into the Ceph lynch if it becomes favorable. Still pushing FT over Ceph. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:12 justanothertownie wrote: Not sure actually. I think the difference was reading his post interspersed throughout the thread in snippets; vs reading them as a filter dump.Where did the ZEN-like feeling go? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). Would a town Mocsta really miss this part twice? Three times now? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Yes, I read it. But you can't change what is written in front of it. If Stutters loses traction, I am next. In regards to the comment about writing cases. Thats completely alignment null and further, it is something I have been asking ppl like Koshi to do since forever. I am still waiting for a response to a perfectly good case from Geript | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:20 Risen wrote: Maybe because, when he made that post, he was your top 2 SCUM READ.EBWOP: And I ignored just about everything Geript posted. He's a horrible mafia player, why did you even bother reading anything he wrote? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Keep focus on who is gonna get lynched. You're both being dumb right now. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: There is zero defense of me; unless you are referring to me being your #2 scum read, instead of #1. If so, you're still a fucking imbecile.I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). The Geript case is awaiting. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:29 Mocsta wrote: Coagulation (0): - Mr. CC (0): - Mocsta (1): - VE (0): - Risen (0): - Iamperfection (2): - *VE, Rayn, StrongandBig Stutters695 (4): - Pandain, ObviousOne (0): - FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu *I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection. FirmTofu hit 4 votes first. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
People are just insulting others, and talking about irrelevant stuff when there is a lynch to happen. This has happened every fucking day in this game, and we already hve three people who have ragequitted this game. Every day phase people discuss irrelevant stuff, then, at the last hours everyone chimes in and starts yelling "lynch this guy", when the first 40 hours of say phase have been wasted on bullshit and insults. Today's lynch is iamp/Stutters/FT. Discuss the lynch, you can yell at each other and post "#4 town reads and maybe this guy is scum too" on nights. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
But it's cool. I'll vote anybody on my list. If we lynch town scum has at least 7 nk in future nights. Seems like all blues vanished. Or we had only 1 of each. Well at least the doc got a save. | ||
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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:32 Koshi wrote: I made clear why I thought you were scum in 2-3 posts somewhere Mocsta. But it's cool. I'll vote anybody on my list. If we lynch town scum has at least 7 nk in future nights. Seems like all blues vanished. Or we had only 1 of each. Well at least the doc got a save. You forget CCs claim. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
1) Calling out bad reasoning is a thing I do. This isn't even anti-town, it's pro-town. Geript viewing it as a scum play is just him trying to make posts fit his case. It's a symptom of a bad mafia player. 2) Of course it was easy, I made a post, saw FT's horrible post, and since I already had them both as scum reads it made it easy to switch to FT. What's scummy about this? See point 1, it's Geript forcing my play into his view he holds. He's bad at mafia, why are you even reading his cases? 3) I didn't try to discredit anyone, I pointed out an error in his play. Anyone who ever posts "I am confirmed town" before they flip gets scum points from me. It's a seriously scummy thing to do. It made me entertain the idea that Yamato was part of a big scum play. That isn't pro-town at all. Geript once again shows that he's a bad mafia player by saying I was dirt flinging here. Dirt flinging is calling someone bad, which I do plenty of, but I wasn't doing that there. 4) Out of nowhere? I straight up say it's a nitpick in the same post, but at that point I don't have much else to go on with people. His point about anyone reading the OP and expecting a framer in the game is bullshit, and if he wasn't so horrible at mafia he'd know it. The list of roles in the game was a potential list. For all we know there is no framer in this game. We have Mr. CC claiming someone framed someone else, but he isn't flipped. He has to be killed by scum tonight, if he's still around tomorrow he's going to appear very scummy to me. And Sent isn't out of nowhere, I very clearly say I agree with OO's point on Sent in the same post. I still don't get good vibes from Sent, but at this point it's more because I don't really remember anything about Sent's posting in a 275 page game. 5) Fairly large nitpick. I have so much filler in my filter and he goes into a post with actual content to find filler? I posted the line in question because at the time I had a null read on Matt. I didn't want my defense to be construed as me reading Matt as town and therefor defending him. In a very similar manner, my recent defense of Mocsta doesn't mean I have a town read on him. 6) It was a scummy defense, I called LM out on it. Sure we know he's town now, but he wasn't confirmed town or even a doctor claim at the time he made it. Cephiro was one of my top scum reads at the time, and this defense of Ceph didn't sit well with me at all. Geript, still being bad, calls it shit flinging when it very clearly isn't. The guy needs to play in some newbie games, this kind of play isn't even acceptable in newbie games. It's downright atrocious. 7) Finally a solid point. Sure it's a hostmeta post, but when I made it I didn't feel it to be bullshit at all. 8) I don't even understand this. In the same post where I call FT scum I'm saying Cephiro is someone I could easily lynch, and then Geript says he isn't a scum read. This is just a case of Geript, once again, trying to fit me to his preconceived notions. He's a bad mafia player, why do you even read anything he posts? Because he's confirmed town now that he's flipped? The backdoor argument is the only thing that holds water in this point. 9) FT was my scum read over Cephiro at the time. I was stating my intent to leave the thread, but that I would swap over should Cephiro become a candidate over FT. Unfortunately, I wasn't in the thread for the rest of the day or I would have moved my vote. I think that about wraps up how utterly horrible Geript is, and how horrible Mocsta is. We already knew Mocsta was horrible, though, so no suprise there. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On October 02 2013 01:26 Mocsta wrote: There is zero defense of me; unless you are referring to me being your #2 scum read, instead of #1. If so, you're still a fucking imbecile. The Geript case is awaiting. 1st green That is a defense. It's me saying voting Mocsta at this point is because you're bad at this game. It's insulting to you, sure, but it's also a defense. 2nd green Also a defense. You're not the most pro-town player, and I acknowledge that in my defense of you, but I'm saying anyone voting you needs to make an actual case or their vote is just scummy and not considerate of how bad you are at the game. The post was a defense. You're bad at mafia, go play in newbies. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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