TL Mafia LXII: TL Noir - Page 24

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 04:09 GMT

#5378

On October 01 2013 13:06 FirmTofu wrote:
Just ask me whatever and I'll respond as best I can. In the meantime, I'm going to go through the filters and decide who I want to lynch.

Are u going to mount a defense against kita case?

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 04:21 GMT

#5380

That's a smooth line.

I thought kita points were far from general and pertained directly to motive and mindset.

I look forward to your retort to the case.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 04:45 GMT

#5382

Interesting

I'm going to have to give this some thought.

Ft
Please comment in cc cop claim
And
Risen

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 04:58 GMT

#5383

And ft

In your opinion. Is kitamin misguided town using heuristics or scum looking to mislynch off "generalities"

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 05:52 GMT

#5386

FirmTofu

(1)

On September 30 2013 16:22 FirmTofu wrote:
This thread is such a mess. I'm glad Cephiro flipped scum. It provides the Mocsta motivation for vote switching last minute as scum.

##vote: Mocsta

Next post will have thoughts incoming.

(2)

On October 01 2013 13:12 FirmTofu wrote:
##unvote

What changed?

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October 01 2013 08:22 GMT

#5400

Stream of consciousness: FirmTofu

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=FirmTofu&view=all

Stream of Consciousness: FirmTofu

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opener Opener. Aside from the trolling start some considered "bluehunting"; no one in the thread thought Geript looked better than DP - except FirmTofu. Whilst the observation does read to me like something town *COULD* say, its interesting noting the deduction given that Geript flipped town. The thing is, as scum, why enter the limelight and polarise against thread sentiment *IF* you know Geript is town? Further, is basis for commenting on DP is incorrect (and was debated in the thread). I am quite confused whether this is intentional dumb; or unintentional. Null
post I dont like this post. I can imagine myself writing this as scum. Its throwing shit on someone, but not backing it up with a quote. Then it finishes off with a non-relevant reinforcement. If its a stream (as he suggests) I find it more palatable. Will give benefit of the doubt, and say null.
post Null post even though he is right regarding me.
post This is a fair comment. DP was whinier than usual. Its still null; hesjust posting thoughts, need to await a conclusion.
post I dont like this. He says his stream is meta and hence weak. However, the way he wrote the post seemed more structured and calculated (ironically what he was accusing DP of doing). Essentially, I find that this comment is not congruent with his approach prior (that I gave benefit of the doubt to). Leaning scum.
post Odd call out on OO. This reads like flinging shit; if its a bookmark thought, at least give context to what is the oddity. Leaning scum.
DP back/forth He is clearly trolling DP. Hes actually writing in a condescending method that should incite a deeper reaction. I *could* see an intelligent town doing this to provoke their scum read.
post I find this post odd. Everything he is saying is correct, and partially why I thought DP was town.. but, its almost the same as talking about policy. Again, no quotes, talking in generics. I'm not a fan of the sudden drop in pressure, once DP snaps back and then there is the inconsistency of "DP defense" makes him scum, then town.

If you want to do the stream; then containerise all the thoughts in one concise post. Instead we get this injection of premature thought into the thread and is easy to backpedal on (because you can say.. ohh, later on you did this, so my read has now changed). The more I think about it, the more his method of streaming is pro-scum. With my method, the thoughts are all in one place, and I have to stand by my read. Firm scum read now.
post I dont like this post one bit when i first read it live; and I still don't like it. Its the whole "you cna see which path I chose to take".. why are you not answering your own question? its manipulation to the n-th degree, to allow others biases to kick in and fill in the gap.
post Smooth response/twist. I did say befure, i could see an intelligent town doing this; but i don't rate firmtofu up there in that group.
This reads to me as a teacher who got caught making a fuck-up, and then says "well i did it intentionally to see who was picking up on it".
post more shit I hate, as hes not doing any work himself. Clearly trying to play a manipulation focussed game. I suppose it is null though.
post From the post above, it is now clear that FirmTofu wanted to target VE next. With a town VE flip, this post looks pretty bad in context.
You have the town read on Geript, when no one else saw it.
You have the inconsistencies/shit-flinging with DP
You have him now trying to twist a scum read onto VE; which has no basis on his interactions with GERIPT (his original town read from this group of three)
some banter, and then we get to this post. post which ties exactly into why I said before that Firms style of streaming is pro-scum. He has the optino to backpedal any read he wants.
More promises to deliver thoughts, a la Cephiro. I guess the worst is that he made sure he was there for deadline, but not beforehand. post which suggests that he had no real interest in driving a lynch. Null i guess,
post This is such a bizarre answer. Dont vig DP, cos he may be medic'd.
Some really odd discussion about the vig targets. Odd in that I know how I felt about it at the time, and these thoughts are not aligned with FirmTofu.
post In the end, its all policy talk; where is the discussion about who is scummy for driving a mislynch on Chairman etc? I find it odd this is missing from his filter.
post Then we get confirmation hes not "caught" up, which is scummy by this point in the game. Why? Because hes not finished reading and is commenting on non-scum finding issues to feign contribution.
As town replacing into a game, I have often begun commenting on stuff before finish reading the game, but am trying to scum hunt. This is non-existent in FT filter.
We get a "trap" on DP; followed by zero effort to drive a lynch; followed by policy talk on vig targets.
post such odd play.Pointing out a CC vig claim? Like its confirmed now this guy is bluehunting. I dunno what to make of this.
post Another odd post. NO FUCKING QUOTES FOR CONTEXT. Like, FirmTofu is starting to be too perfect. Right on Geript when all were against him. Right now on VE, when ppl were against him. Right on DP for trivial reasons. Had the correct take on my position when commenting about not reading DP/Geript fight. Too perfect with no justification is pretty scummy; or pretty lucky. Lets keep going and see hwo perfect the scum reads are.
vig post A lot of this post is commmon sense, so is totally not alignment indicative.
In the semi-lurking group he recommending to shoot, thread sentiment would have led to Sentinel as well. So even though suspect ppl like stutters are in the group; its unlikely that danger is imminent.

Its interesting that iamperfection/Onegu is not listed as a replacement (unlike the others).
post Reads the thread and has ONE scum read. And this is precisely why I can't say that FT is genuine for trying to "trap" DP. You would expect a lot more. Now he has been perfectly right about Geript, DP, me, VE; but now gets it all wrong with a scum read on town flipped zaragon.

His crux is 'apathy" or essentially lack of activity ==> Easy pickings scum target.
here is the clincher.
FirmTofu attacks zaragon for leaving an out on VE due to "If geript adn DP are both town (which isn't at all a given)......
This is exactly the mindset of town, BE SUSPICIOUS.

Yet, FT tries to construe this as scummy by leaving an out. Only scum could known that this original statement is CORRECT, thus, when the option to backout is there, its easy for a scum to pounce; as they have the hindsight/knowledge. No way, town would call out a statement like that.
His justification is just wrong, town and scum use fallbacks always. Town because they ahve to take leaps of faith; scum to give options.
post subtle buddying to marv.
post Why has his steram just focused on DP? now hes stopped, and says he is unsure about rayn. Why not probe him and set trapz like DP. This is quite concerning; and is not a congruent stance with how he approached others. It is certianly not clear whether FT is protecting Rayn; or is setting up Rayn.. but it is clear that such a half-arsed response can only come from scum. Ironically this is exactly the type of fallback that makes FT scum, that he accused zaragon of employing.
post its ironic reading this because its all the same generalities that apparently Kita used in his case agianst FT. and now FT is using that generality as a point for a case.
post Perfect post by Geript. FirmTofu response makes no sense. How could have have a town read on Geript without reading the shitfest in detail? THat was all of Geripts contributions.

Scumslip hook, line and sinker. This post by itself.
post more stirring the pot on a "town read". Interesting, as it was totally not requied.
post tries to bullshit about Geript; but fact is, in order to give a town read on Geript you had to read the exchange, which was filled with the vig claims several times... Caught
post This is a "feel" scum slip.
"If I was town", is just not a statement a town player would make. Not in this order of phrasing.

Town players will go along and say somethign like "OK, lets pretend Im town... what now" - its blunt, and succinct.
FT has to warm and say "How exactly would this help you? If i was town, who would be most suspicious"
Its just very odd phrasing the "if i was town"
post OMGUS on Koshi, and now is flipping his read on Geript. The reasoning for recanting the reads doesn't even make sense, based on the original foundation of the town read. He also doesn't comment about how this affects the relationship of his previous reads (which were founded on a town Geript read). Smells like bullshit
post This is a bookmark post.
Its a very uncomfortable post from FirmTofu, its unclear whether hes crumbling to pressure (unlikely) OR talking to a scum buddy. But this post specifically shares no phrasing/tone consistent with his previous posts to people like marv/DP etc.
post again, easy read, no justification on Cephiro. I wouldnt have a problem if he called it a lurker lynch. Its the point that he said the filter was crappy, but then doesnt state why it doesnt make him scum.
THATS the problem.
post martrying.. And more overcomepnsation "i'll be completely open and honest about everything" is scum thing to say, its actually a tell that everything before hand was on reservation and may have been dishonest.
post Builds a case on Sentinel; but doesnt vote him lol... all his caes are based on nitpicking, and feel more substantiated because they include quotes where the focus is oneline, rather than reasoning to indicate why its scummy. Its also a thread sentiment read. Yuck
post i dont find his substantiation of bluelightz applicable to thisg ame. Hes not really attacking anyone.
post crazy post, probably honest too LOl.
post cant put my finger on it, but when talking to pandain again. The tone feels different. Less verbose I suppose is the best way to summarise it.
post Then OMGUS zaragon all over again. again, nitpicking; and doesnt express why its scum motive play vs bad play.
post dodges teh case in a similar manner to kitamin, as in, delves into theory craft on how to play. Yeah, i dont like this at all
post another case on a flipped town. Like, hes not scum for being wrong.. its that he was perfect early game; and now is always wrong with his cases and they are all nitpicking bad play. The difference with someone like me that has been wrong is that, I have put perssure and opinion on everyone; whereas firmtofu has pick/chosen when to post and who to focus on. All his cases are for very poor reasoning. Scum scum scum.
post Gives JAT a free town read. hmmm, I have a town read on him too, so not sure what this could mean. ---> Bookmark
post alignment null to ask to be filtered. Almost equivalent ot a martyr, and somethign i would definitely do as scum. Especially if i knew i had a hard to interpret filter.
post again picking on apathy. His scum reads are all lurkers. Lol... lynch with fire !
post This is a good question from rayn. Substantiation the post that made you change your read on VE. FT dodges it. Need to see how Rayn responded to this, but from a glance this makes me feel better about Rayn (i.e. previously FT was setting him up)
post Now FT is trying to get Marv to look into Rayn, again, suggests that rayn may be town. --> Bookmark
post Yeap, this is precisely the bullshit i was talking about with ft streams. Now hes trying to backpedal, based on, i gave a premature read. So fucking scummy.
post interesting, FT satisfies Rayn requset for info. Not a big tell, but potentially indicative of not wanting to infuriate rayn. Could be a weak town tell.
post hedging bets on mattchew train. Interesting, and again, no context. Just posts that will make him look good if mattchew flips.
post Town read on mattchew is too convenient, and is a overcompensated approach taken by others that called him town, post-defense. Hes usuing knowledge that marv is town as a reason to call mattchew town. which reeks of scum.
post & post are funny because he never suggests who those best chance of flipping scum should be, then belittles town for their choices.
I'm also concerned that he gives me an instant town-read, when quite a few ppl are pissed with me and auto-assume i am scum. Hes read me town for the right reasons, but why is he the only one to read the sitation correctly when town have done stupid things (me with the fake claim, and geript early game).
post Considering Geript and Umasi are town; i think its safe to assume rayn is town. Also the way those two were talking to each other prior, makes me think rayn and FT are not of teh same alignment. Again, the read on rayn is based on apathy... his favourite indicator, and all have been town.
post Getting bored of his filter now, I think he is scum. Look at how he handles Cephiro. cEPHIRO is useless, so lets lynch Geript/Umasi or rayn.
post Interesting interaction with Iamp. its a fair question, and there does not appear to be any follow up beyond this. need to flip to better understand this.
post Now we get a full 180'; before he said scum would never do what i did, and now out of no where he votes me. Yep, scum.
defense of kita is terrible, and does not address the points. It worse that he tries to sell the case as generic in a method to not retort.
Kitas case aligns a fair bit with my stream; obviously a lot more concise., It is far from generic.

FirmTofu *is* scum.

Without doubt, and is my preference for this lynch.

His filter is 100% accurate when discussing town in compromised situations ( Geript early game, VE early game, Mocsta mid game) and yet most of his scum reads have been proven wrong (Geript, Umasi, Zaragon). Further, all his cases have a common underlying theme. They are based on apathy. Which is a fancy word for lurker lynching.
He nitpicks lines in a quote, and uses that to substantiate his cases to feel liek they are more than their worth. His cases actually don't delve into scum motivation, but rather attack poor play.

For someone who apparently tried to "trap" DP by commenting falsely intentionally; you do expect more from his cases.

Then you have issues such as
(1) His instant knowledge I was town post medic-claim as scum would never do that; yet later votes me for no founded reason.

(2) His inconsistency that DP was scum for being defensive; and then called him town for being defensive (apparently a trap)

(3) Barely comments on Cephiro, and has wasted votes throughout the thread. & like Cephiro, keeps promising to deliver content, but then takes forever to produce it (if he does)

(4) But the biggest issue is how he handled the Geript town/vig situation.
He called Geript town for the DP exchange, yet never noticed Geript kept claiming vig.
Then FirmTofu says that he skimmed the exchange.. But if he did, there is no tangible reason he could have got a town read off Geript. Massive scum slip; and Geript called him out on it prior (but his town cred was so low, it was hard to make sense of the situation).

FirmTofu is certainly scum.

Once he is flipped, we can make better sense of his interactions with Pandain, which do not read natural/congruent to all his other thread interactions.

Zaragon
JustAnotherTownie
Stutters695
Mr.Cheesecake
IAmPerfection

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 08:33 GMT

#5401

Btw

Tofu nitpicking deconduo is the exact type of crap I'm talking about. Looking for poor play, there is no suggestion to why it is optimal scum play. Just a blanket statement that it is optimal... Well if it's so optimal you wouldn't have picked up on it with no expanded reasoning.

Am always awaiting that risen read lol

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 12:36 GMT

#5404

On October 01 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't like FT lynch. I don't like Mocsta lynch either.

What i do like is:
##Unvote:
##Vote: iamperfection
He is not looking like his townie self, at all, in this game. Despite being replaced he has caught up as can be seen from his first reads post. After that post he has been really absent, asking people's read on him and shit. Then there is his horrible analysis fron D2 votes. That's completely wrong and iamp is not that wrong as town. He is scum.

OK, I don't have a problem with iamp

But I want to know why FT isn't a good lynch. Especially given then points I made.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 13:52 GMT

#5406

On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said.
Your point against his acuracy/inaccuracy in reads is non alignment indicative. Both town/scum can have accurate/inaccurate reads. His cases are always like that, especially as town. FirmTofu is far more confindent as scum than he is as town.

Your points (2) and (4) are good Mocsta. That's something he needs to explain. Other than that, i don't think he is scum (having played with him a lot as him being scum/town).

And why is (1) not an issue?

The inaccuracy is not an issue in isolation; but that was not the crux of what I stated.
My issue arose from his accuracy of reads on TOWN people that did suspicion actions and the lack of justification on those reads. Nobody except FT thought Geript was town early game.

Fact is, if you thought point (4) was solid, then the inaccuracy point holds, because how can he have a town read on Geript and miss such an important part of the DP/Geript conversation.

And do you think it is acceptable for a firmtofu to base all his scumreads on "apathy'"?
Do you think FT case he made on you (rayn) is acceptable? It was also based on apathy?

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 13:53 GMT

#5407

On October 01 2013 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His answers are reasonable, especially to what kita said.

By the way, I disagree to that. But it is up to Kita to pursue further.

I still dont think the case was generic.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 14:18 GMT

#5410

Regarding (1), I can forgive you for working off that quote.

This is FT reaction immediately after my fake-claim.

On September 26 2013 13:48 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm pretty disappointed that I couldn't make the deadline today. You guys went full retard. Never go full retard.

I just skimmed the thread on my phone so I'm gonna do a full read through and do some analysis.

Mocsta is town btw. Scum would never do what he just did.

Which is then reenforced to VE.

On September 27 2013 13:04 FirmTofu wrote:
@VE
If you truly believe Mocsta is scum, what exactly do you think his motivation for going full retard near lynch time was?
Why does scum Mocsta do all that shit?

He has a *Clear* town read on me.

Then we get this post out of the blue once VE modkills (the mislynch of the day)

On September 30 2013 16:22 FirmTofu wrote:
This thread is such a mess. I'm glad Cephiro flipped scum. It provides the Mocsta motivation for vote switching last minute as scum.

##vote: Mocsta

Next post will have thoughts incoming.

It is clear there is o consistency - similar to his DP early game read.

and INB4: Him saying he was trying to setup a trap is not acceptable Rayn in this circumstance.

FirmTofu has been caught with his pants down.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 14:26 GMT

#5412

Rayn.

This is FTs original read on you.

On September 23 2013 19:47 FirmTofu wrote:

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I'm null on rayn. There are some things he's done that I liked, but there is also a great absence of things that he could have done that he hasn't done.

For rayn, he is posting in unnaturally low quantities. When that happens, rayn usually flips scum. However, in this game, rayn has been actively pursuing reads like he usually does as town. I remember a few exchanges he's had with a few people that made me think he was standard town rayn. Of course, he could be deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that. I'm still hazy on his alignment.

Look how wishy-washy this is. He even goes out of his way to say you are playing the standard town rayn; and then tries to shit over that with a completely unjustified "deliberately tailoring his play to get us to think exactly that". How bullshit is that? Hes making unfounded insinuations. and letting you connect the pieces together; which is scum motive 101.

This is his case that you are reading as "genuinely believes i am scum"

On September 26 2013 17:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Scum:
Raynpelikoneet: Rayn has been hopelessly complacent and apathetic this game. Town rayn is NEVER like this. Just look at these posts...

Show nested quote +

Since when does rayn ask others whether or not he should do something?

Show nested quote +

He claims apathy. What kind of townie claims to be apathetic?

There are a lot more, but I don't have the patience to quote and post everything at this time of night. I'll get to it in the morning.

Hes nitpicking poor/bad play; but no where in his case does he claim why it is scum motivated.
All he does is insinuate that townies will not claim to be apathetic? REALLY? I KNOW AND HAVE PLAYED WITH PLENTY.. INCLUDING BUTT-TONS THIS GAME

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 14:31 GMT

#5416

Well Rayn, I am pushing FirmTofu because (1) he is scum & (2) im going to bed soon.
Essentially, there is zero certainty where the lynch is going to end up when I wake up.

On October 01 2013 23:07 Mocsta wrote:
Coagulation (0): - ~~risen~~,
Mr. CC (1): - ~~risen~~, Risen
Mocsta (3): - ~~FirmTofu~~, [UoN]Sentinel, ~~VE, Risen~~, Coagulation, Mr. CC,
VE (1): - ~~Mocsta, Raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne, StrongandBig~~, JAT,
Risen (1): - ~~StrongandBig~~, StrongandBig
Iamperfection (1): - VE, Rayn
Stutters695 (1): - Pandain, ~~ObviousOne, Mr. CC~~
ObviousOne (0): - ~~Risen~~
FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi
Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu

I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection.

Right now, JAT vote is useless on VE, and along with Sentinel/Coag; it is unclear where they will place their vote.

We need to consolidate. There are 5 scum, and the biggest vote lead is 4 votes. This is a major problem.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 14:35 GMT

#5419

On October 01 2013 23:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The only saving grace for Mocsta being town is that he's so damn active.

I would prefer if you had said the content was good.

& Why is your vote on me again? If Stutters is 100%, shouldnt you be tallying his vote count to (2)??

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 15:10 GMT

#5444

On October 01 2013 23:58 justanothertownie wrote:
This is going to be hard. Mocsta are you still there? If yes, how long?

I have to find out if I want to lynch you or one of FT, Stutters and iamp. Too many options...

Yes i am here.
Dunno how long.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 15:12 GMT

#5447

On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:

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It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me.

I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler).

You are an absolute moron.
I made a case on Stutters days ago. But, of course its bussing even though the things I wrote are the exact same problems you all have with him now.

Fucken imbecile you are.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 15:14 GMT

#5450

On October 02 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote:
My biggest issue with iamp is his actions during day two and I definitely think he is mafia.

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iamp clearly has a double-standard at the end of the day two lynch. Earlier in the cycle, he mentioned that he doesn't have a preference between the two and that he has decided to sheep marv because he trusts his judgement.

While ceph does return before the deadline, he doesn't post anything of value, stating that he would be open to a deconduo switch, which wasn't happening. He votes LoneMeow because he is really the only choice to save himself.
+ Show Spoiler +

On September 26 2013 10:47 iamperfection wrote:
lone your obviously here if all your going to do is vote and afk i will kill you.

However, when Lone actually does show up, he attacks him for the Cephiro vote.

When LoneMeow comes up with the Doctor claim, iamp immediately distrusts his claim.

LoneMeow is claiming Doctor when he is not even leading the lynch and a multi-vote swap would be necessary, like I pointed out earlier.

Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly.

As an aside: Does this not mean something for Deconduo alignment?

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 15:17 GMT

#5452

On October 02 2013 00:12 kitaman27 wrote:
The thing about Mocsta that worries me is that he is so open to any of the other lynch candidates. Anything that will save him from biting the bullet seems to be fine with him.

Why is that a problem?

I am not a serious lynch candidate; no one has even made a case other than VE.

Do you think the way I have been following up on my reads is scum-like?
Do you think what I pushed to Rayn about FT was bullshit made up on the spot, or nitpicking to find flaws in bad play?

And why would town want to be mislynched? Either alignment wants to be saved from the noose.

Frankly, kitamin/oberyn, i expected a bit more common sense coming from you.

Mocsta

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October 01 2013 15:23 GMT

#5459

On October 02 2013 00:18 kitaman27 wrote:
FT > iamp > Mocsta > Stutters > deconduo is my current preference out of the top five.

I would be pretty happy with either of the top two though.

You know what is completely retarded about this?

On October 02 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Notice how he decides LoneMeow is lying even before he looks back through the filter to see if there is any mention of yamato. He has made his decision ahead of looking for evidence. He refuses to consider the alternative that LoneMeow could be telling the truth and never provides an explanation of why he would lie in this situation if he didn't need the votes to survive. I think a town iamp wouldn't be so suddenly decisive on a situation he was so wishy washy for most of the day. He seems to have something to gain on day two, by pushing the last minute swing so strongly.

Applies directly to me -> I believed the doc claim initially until others cast out irregularities.
Yet iamp is scum for the action above; and I am scum for the OPPOSITE of the action above.

Thats retarded.

And if you are too lazy to filter dive.

On September 26 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:

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This is such a poorly timed claim.

You werent going to be lynched, as you had a 2 vote lead.. hence you needed 3 new votes.

now your dead end of night.. well done.

On September 26 2013 10:52 Mocsta wrote:

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Its real

Its why i said hes goign to get shot (or RB'd is prob wiser)

in the end, hes completely useless VT now.. it wasnt required.

I believed the claim, quite clearly.

After iamp/CC comment about the yamato thing, i check it myself.

On September 26 2013 10:56 Mocsta wrote:
Yep, jsut checked lone filter.

no yamato + he was against chairman lynch (which yam was proposing) so we have a problem houston

+ he questions cephiro for lurking, yet wouldnt vote him prior.

##vote: lonemeow[/b

geript vote on cepphiro is a major problem.

I had already taken issue publicly with LoneMeow not voting Cephiro, and had heavy suspicion on Geript. That led to the big play AS TOWN.

[B]On September 26 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote:
OK. I DOC'D YAM

everyone, pile onto lonemeow.

So iamp and me both scum right? LOL....

Mocsta

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On October 02 2013 00:21 kitaman27 wrote:

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It's not that my problem is that you would support another lynch candidate, it's that you would support every other lynch candidate. I'm still not sure enough on you that I'd want to lynch you over FT though.

Or how about, I have made cases on Stutters, iamp, FT that I think are all solid.

The case I made on CC, i still hold some reservations over and would have to give him a re-read to consider voting.

My concern is to drop KP to 2; and am clearly getting zero traction in the thread. I recognise this, which is why I am more than comfortable lynching between my top three. I have been pretty damn transparent about this.

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