EPTOn September 29 2013 19:01 Koshi wrote:
Maybe you tell us why he is scum from his posts in this game.
Maybe you tell us why he is scum from his posts in this game.
Koshi, fuck off. I didnt call him scum.
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Koshi, fuck off. I didnt call him scum. | ||
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On September 29 2013 19:20 Koshi wrote: Pandain filter for Golden Sun. Big word posts, no meta. He was town. If you are interested Mocsta. Why are you cock blocking. Let the guy answer the question himself. OO thinks Im destructive as town, well the same can be said for you. | ||
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On September 29 2013 19:28 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure we both know you aren't destructive as town. ?? You have played two games with me where I replaced in. You don't know me. People never trust me in games. Because when Im town I suspect everyone. Ironically when I'm scum, I play safer and choose my battles, and guess what. People don't suspect me as much. Whatever, you are just like Yamato. Mocsta is scum, BECAUSE.... well.. hes scum Just stop it... either man up and make a case against me; or stop cutting me off from getting information to the thread. The worse thing is, as shit as my town cred is in this game, I am still a prob better NK then a bunch of players left here. That is what is truly embarrassing. | ||
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its unacceptable how the past 72hrs has gone. all you are doing is letting scum blend in, and/or control the thread. with cephiro flipped scum, shutters still comes out looking bad. he is a good lynch for tomorrow. VE ids another lynch that I can endorse. he has just been trolling the thread all game, and clearly doesn't give a shit. town VE may play bad occasionally, but he's always trying. those are my two recommendations for lynch d4. in the piece of shit pile for further interrogation are raynpelikoneet, firmtofu, Mr.cc don't let rayn buddying Marv on cephiro be a town indicator. cephiro was a goon. and rayn has done fuck all in 72hrs. basically, once Marv died, so did his activity. null reads that need to step it up are ppl like sentinel, pandain, deconduo, umasi scum still have 3 nk, because its rounded up.. good luck and pls step up the activity, there's are very few ppl coming across as a strong town read - myself included. | ||
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On September 30 2013 09:57 deconduo wrote: My brain isn't working, so can you explain why Koshi is town. He hasn't done anything scummy, but nothing screams town at me from what he's said so far either. he's town cos he still has a presence. basically scumhave no reason to post unless pressured. which is how most town are acting currently. therefore, koshis attempt to keep campaigning actively for a lynch, is townie by virtue. I wish he posted actual logic, buy its still more effort than 90% of the thread. | ||
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zaragon is expected based on his rb behaviour umasi, I am shocked with, that actually works in our favour mattchew again is interesting. I suspect a blure snipe, as risen from memory was saying that mattchew was playing like a blue its important to note that ve, rayn, myself were not shot. we are the 3 more experienced players left, so interesting outcome. personally I was also expecting kitamin to be shot as a fresh replacement. I think we need to lynch out of this group. I want to see kitamin reads that he promised and never delivered. I still want pandain to answer my question. going to a wedding function, so will be back in say half a day. | ||
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On September 30 2013 11:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Scummy, not scum necesarrily. Like 4th on the list as it were. Is Malongo still in the game or has he been modkilled yet? he was modkilled as vt BTW I agree on stutters as a safe bet, but I think ve needs to go this cycle | ||
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why the fuck would I kill him? he was never voting for Mr. take those stupid votes off me NOW, koshi and firmtofu. I don't understand why geript flip wqss not revealed. I am willing to believe he was town. his case on risen was actually pretty solid. the vote today should be between risen, ve and stutters. my preference is VE [b]##vote: viscera eyes [ b] | ||
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Regardless, the fact remains. MattChew was adamant I was town:
If I was on the scum team, there is *ZERO* benefit to killing him. THAT IS FACT. ---> No WIFOM involved. Geript's case on Risen was pretty good and portrays several inconsistencies in Risen play. Unlike "GameOfThrones" mafia, this game, Risen feels very in control of his actions. Whereas in GameOfThrones, where Risen was town; he was so crazy, he was too scum to be scum. This is a marked difference in play. This boils down to, I am comfortable with a lynch on the following people: VE, Stutters, Risen and could seriously consider Raynpelikoneet. I'm still concerned with Pandain and the love/attention he is giving to thug life; and the lack of shits he is giving for this game. That does not necessarily make him scum, but it makes me uneasy to give him a town read. My vote is on VisceraEyes because out of the above three, he is the best player by far. Again, Kitamin, we really need those reads from you | ||
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On September 30 2013 19:19 Koshi wrote: I also believe CC is town now, and you and rayn were pushing him so silly... While you and rayn have been off this game. Pff. You see where I am atm? How can I not see you as scum? Yeah, i can get why you think I was scum. I'm having a bad game. That is not deniable in the slightest But at least I am still trying; which is a butt-ton more than 90% of people left in this game. But as I keep saying to you; if you think I am scum, make a case. I mean, regarding VE.. this is his case on me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=232#4632 This is so weak, how is this guy town? All he has done is trumpet to lynch me, based on that pittance? By the way, it was already refuted here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=233#4659 Again, this guy *is* scum. Had a terrible Day1, and since then has done completely ZERO. Scum for sure. | ||
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On September 30 2013 19:19 Koshi wrote: I also believe CC is town now, and you and rayn were pushing him so silly... While you and rayn have been off this game. Pff. You see where I am atm? How can I not see you as scum? I actually had what I thought was sound reasoning for pushing Mr.CC. And based on my streams, I had a town read on him until some issues regarding Lone/Cephiro arose. His defense read quite genuine, and was enough for me to take what he was saying at face value. Perhaps Iamp was right, and there was some confirmation bias; but regardless. When I was pushing it, it was with the same conviction I was pushing Mattchew --> and guess what, both Mr.CC and Mattchew who I have pushed, both still thought I was town post-push. | ||
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On September 30 2013 19:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Goddammit geript... Guess we should lynch Mocsta, he's responsible for the day we lost after all... ##Vote: Mocsta Right.. and are you trying to win the game; or policy lynch. You can policy lynch me, and when I flip town.. then what? There have already been two VT modkills; do you really want a third? Start playing the game Sentinel. | ||
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scum still have 3 NK. Because NK is rounded up. It is paramount to lynch a second scum to reduce NK to 2. | ||
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On September 30 2013 22:10 Pandain wrote: Rayn where have you been Stop ignoring me On September 29 2013 12:35 Mocsta wrote: @Pandain Why aren't you making any posts like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897¤tpage=43#849 Thats from 24hrs ago in the first 24hrs of a game, and this game with over 100hrs played, you have not delivered a single post to this quality. | ||
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sigh I actually liked his I amperfection case as well. gonna filter him soon. stutters again is useless and comes in for some omgus. can easily vote him. ##unvote | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I could just get modkilled like everyone else in this game and prove it What a change in stance lol. So, is iamperfection scum? | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Everyone who died wanted to kill Mocsta. If not for the redcheck on VE, I would have wanted to kill Mocsta. Mocsta is scum. This is eerily reminding me of nomination mafia. I.e. your sudden about turn regarding my alignment. You have multiple posts stating I am town pre fake claim, and post case on you. Now it's all down the toilet lol. Thing is, with ve the mislynch dead in the water, scum now have to do a big play to keep kp at 3 Nk. And Ur reaction is befitting of that. I'm halfway through iamp filter but will deal with you when I am back. Lastly again. Mattchew was firm I was town throughout the whole game. So your statement quoted above is patently false. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=iamperfection&view=all + Show Spoiler +
Iamperfection *is* scum. (1) iamperfection doesnt scum hunt or follow through with his reads He creates a bunch of scum reads in a list post; but never pursues them to further divine/strengthen their alignment. When he pressures random people in the thread, many of his posts are rhetorical and again, serve no purpose to divine the targets alignment. Again, in his list posts, he has individuals like risen/deconduo as null->leaning soft town. Yet, as soon as those individuals do something suspicious; he is all over them like white on rice. As above: rhetorical questions, or calling out "stupid actions" but not explaining the scum motivation behind it. There is no scum hunting in his filter. Just calling out bad play. (2) The LoneMeow Lynch (a) Kept on trying to suggest that Cephiro would be modkilled for inactivity which is clearly false; and whilst doing this, avoids responding to marv case (whilst being present at/near the time it was unleashed) (b) Gives some sort of reasoning for calling LoneMeow bad town in his list post; zero reason for suggesting Cephiro is town. (In fact suggests Cephiro is leaning scum) (c) Its odd how much he jumps all over Deconduo was voting Cephiro (giving the leaning scum read). If he thinks it is suspicious to vote Cephiro for bad reasoning, then he must think Cephiro is town. [Because if he thougth Cephiro was scum, and Deconduo was bussing; his vote would already be on Cephiro!] Fine... so if he thinks Cephiro is town... why isnt he putting more effort into pondering LoneMeow? Which leads into the LM claim (d) Instantly assumes it is fake; which suggests he did NOT have a town read on LoneMeow. Again, why no vote his way until the claim? Further, his story keeps changing tune as he explains it to yamato, post-lynch. He says he read the filter first, then thought LoneMeow was lying. Clearly, iamp called him a liar first, then 2min later supported it with filter context (i.e. didnt directly indicate he thought yamato was town) As mentioned before, if iamp was aware of lonemeow filter prior, to be suspicious of lonemeow... why wasnt he trying to lead a lynch that way? His actions are not lining up. (e) THen you have the outcome, where he calls Sentinel scum for believing the claim -- which is funny, because I believed the claim originally as well and was not considered scum. More inconsistencies. (3) His town read on Mr.CC (a) When he broke down my Mr.CC case, I should have read my case to refresh my memory, because on re-read. iamp didnt actually break down the case at all. I said (1)"You refused to vote cephiro last cycle, and even challenged others who wanted to vote cephiro" (2) mr.cc reaction to lonemeow doctor claim, does not align with how he handles the mocsta doctor fake-claim (3) day 3 votes due to sheeping. The only thing iamp addressed was "even challenged otehrs who wanted to vote cephiro" This looks very bad for Mr.CC; because this "defense" was one of iamperfections more substantiated posts, suggesting a lot of effort was put in. This also ties in with Mr.CC cop claim today. (4) Thread sentiment scum reads After giving Stutters a town read, in both his list posts. Now he is conforming with thread sentiment and willing to lynch Stutters (without any justification). Has also flipflopped his VE several times which conveniently tie in with thread sentiment. Again, no justification. Zaragon JustAnotherTownie Stutters695 Mr.Cheesecake | ||
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On October 01 2013 10:49 kitaman27 wrote: As I mentioned earlier, WaveofShadow, Zaragon, Umasi, and Mattchew all mentioned FT as one of their mafia suspects before their deaths. All three players that died last night wanted to kill him. These kills were strange enough that I think it is likely that they were picked out for their reads. On day one, FT is clearly around and reading the thread at the start of the game, yet he fails to provide a lynch candidate. He appears to be afk towards the end of the day and never votes, so I'll chalk this up as a null tell. Once night two starts, he comes out with the trademark "large post that says absolutely nothing". Apparently addressing the vig situation really means "I'm going to list 10 different players you could consider shooting based on activity". It really shouldn't taken this much time for him to essentially tell us that he is fine with a third of the game getting shot. He later posts his read on Zaragon and tells the vig to shoot him. If this was his scum read, then why did he just spend the last fifteen minutes with his list post? Throughout the game, he produces several half-hearted cases against players, but he never actually goes after his targets. There is a limited amount of interaction with the players he suspects. A lot of the time, he asks others to ask him questions, rather than contribution on topics that he finds important on his own. This post is a really generic soft defend. He doesn't want to commit to a town read on Ceph, so he states that he is fine with a vig shot, yet wouldn't lynch him. This allows him to vote elsewhere later on in the cycle. This is the scummiest post in his filter. I'm lost count of the number of times a scum player shows up after the lynch only to yell at town for something they showed no interest in preventing. He criticizes town for the LoneMeow lynch. The problem? He hasn't defended LoneMeow all game. He voted Umasi, a player who had no chance of getting lynched and essentially went afk again when the lynch was being decided. I gave him a pass for doing it on day one, but this is now two days in a row where he has displayed his apathy for the lynch. When he performs his post lynch analysis, he still never acknowledges that cephiro is scum. So if he is frustrated about town going "full retard", how could he think it was a terrible lynch if the alternative wasn't incredibly scummy in his opinion? On day three, he votes geript, but makes this post about Cephiro. Who exactly is he trying to convince? The vote is clearly going to be a blow out. Despite not being able to see scum motivation from Mocsta, he has a revelation post flip and notices the connection. Is this honestly something that he wouldn't consider beforehand? There is a pretty apologetic theme from most of his posts and there are several points where he seems more interested in defending himself or making himself look good with unnaturally worded posts, rather than pushing his prefered mafia lynch. I'm not sure if there is anyone in this game that actually has a town read on FT, which generally points to mafia. ##Vote: FirmTofu Agree with a lot of this. I can get down on a FT vote; like Cephiro, he is a bunch of failed promises to deliver content (but then does not). This also ties in with iamperfection giving him a hard town read in his first list post out of no where. My pool of players I am very happy to lynch; {Stutters,iamp, Mr.CC, FirmTofu} Players I think that need consideration; {Risen, Pandain, Rayn} I am uncertain of Risen, based on iamperfection pushing him when Cephiro/LoneMeow was up in the air. I think it is unlikely to bus Risen to save Cephiro; so my *association* read is that Risen is town. (Which sux, cos Geript case looked good). The Rayn read is more based on inactivity, and I have yet to stream him. He is certainly my lowest priority out of that group. The most important thing is to lynch scum and reduce that KP down to 2 for the night cycle. So now is the time to start consolidating a vote. ##Vote: FirmTofu | ||
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On October 01 2013 12:41 kitaman27 wrote: Why post the case explaining that iamp is scum if you're just going to sheep my case 3 minutes later? Consolidating is a sketchy reason when there is 1 vote a piece. Between the two, do you have a preference? Regarding iamp, i posted that straight into the thread and then caught up and saw your post. I still think that There is 4 scum within {Stutters, iamp, Mr.CC, FirmTofu} so in reality, it doesnt really matter who is voted, as long as we consolidate. As for your question, iamperfection or FirmTofu. I would prefer iamperfection. Even though, yes I voted FirmTofu to consolidate. | ||
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