GoT Mafia: Lords and Liars

On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:

Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever.

I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms.
All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected.

On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural.


Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere.

On August 08 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote:

Lets see, I backed off my first scumread.
Then I called 1 scum obv town. And you? You decided that the best course of action was to make a joke out of it and make everyone think you are scum. Good play right?. Yeah.

Now in this different game, I dont have a clue why you should trust me on why the 3 other dudes in my house are town.
Not a damn clue.
I never said you should trust me. I never said anything about 'sheeping' me. Now get your cocky head out of your arse and explain further why dandel's play is scummy.

On August 08 2013 19:59 Clarity_nl wrote:


I think sharing townreads is kinda useless. It makes it easier for scum to choose a nk and giving townreads is easy for scum.
Treat it like a regular game with pms, scumhunt in the thread, scumhunt in pms or share reads with people you're fairly sure are town, only bring up pms in the thread if you got a really strong scumread on someone because of it.

On August 08 2013 20:15 Oatsmaster wrote:

20 pages.

You cant find 1 scumread in 20 pages?

On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:

Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural.


Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere.

On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno.
Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit.

Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far.

On August 08 2013 21:57 Dandel Ion wrote:

What reasons has solstice given you when you voted him?
What reasons have YOU given?

none, I say.
Stop tunneling on a little joke, you're as bad as sol.

On August 08 2013 22:12 Xatalos wrote:


This is getting confusing. Koshi, could you explain your line of thought during N0 more clearly?

On August 08 2013 22:20 iamperfection wrote:

I dont understand why you would cry like a baby about that. Who cares how we figure out peoples alignment.

Your pettiness about this subject shows to me that you dont seem that interested in solving the game.

On August 08 2013 22:24 Dandel Ion wrote:

point me to where this happened.

On August 08 2013 23:11 iamperfection wrote:
wtf is taking so long koshi?

On August 08 2013 23:20 iamperfection wrote:
so im confused where did he specifically lie?

On August 08 2013 23:25 iamperfection wrote:

Dandel seems to have made quite the spotlight on himself what do you think of that?

On August 08 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi did you replace in before or after Dandel replaced out?

On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.

On August 09 2013 22:44 Clarity_nl wrote:


You were in that last game oats played in with me, right? See a resemblance?
Also consider the pm stuff with me (he posted a really sloppy messy version of it, but it gets the point across)
Does he seem likely to do something like that as scum?

On August 09 2013 00:06 Vivax wrote:


This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3).
4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative.

Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion.

I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two.

On August 09 2013 23:00 Vivax wrote:


Do you want to lynch Oats cause he's a lurker?
What do you think of his exchange with yammo?

On August 10 2013 00:07 Clarity_nl wrote:


I have no idea what the bolded means.

On August 10 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Koshi still looks scummy to me. I just got done talking him out of his big dead red scum read in PMs (Oats) with like 2 lines of text. There's times like this where he really just lacks conviction that makes me think his reads are a pretext.

On August 10 2013 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote:
I do believe Koshi needs a good old lynchin'

If you don't want to listen to the 5000 arguments I made already, you may also look for an activity comparison between his town and non-town games.

In all his town games, he is at least twice as active by this point of the game on post numbers alone, and here his activity is even skewed heavily since half his posts are merely him defending.

On August 10 2013 01:57 Dandel Ion wrote:

XLIV
gg

On August 10 2013 01:58 Xatalos wrote:


Don't tell me you've been lurking and came to the thread just to say this -.- Not to mention that town don't just give up scum reads after being told to do so without reasoning.

On August 10 2013 01:58 Koshi wrote:

What is that?

On August 10 2013 02:02 Dandel Ion wrote:

we have had a heated discussion and shit, which already bloated your filter and you still sittin at 2.

On August 10 2013 02:02 Dandel Ion wrote:

we have had a heated discussion and shit, which already bloated your filter and you still sittin at 2.

On August 10 2013 02:10 Dandel Ion wrote:
No it's not false.
Nobody pressured you in sicilian, and you have 1 page.

Taking away the posts due to my tunneling, you would have 1 page.

On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:

u scum

On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Koshi why are you not trying to convince me that chromatically is scum?

seeing as you say you have a townread on sol.

On August 10 2013 02:17 Dandel Ion wrote:

no i told you to take everything to the thread while you can post in it.
same thing i told sol.

On August 10 2013 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:

its not because of the filter, retard, it's because I'm sick and tired of you and sol acting like you do more in PMs, which is false.

On August 10 2013 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Koshi why are you not trying to convince me that chromatically is scum?

seeing as you say you have a townread on sol.

On August 10 2013 04:01 Oberyn wrote:


I disagree with this actually. I think it might have been mentioned elsewhere, but I forgot about it. It is probably better to shoot the same player in order until they flip, then move on to the next player on the list.

Does anyone disagree with this?

On August 10 2013 03:56 Acrofales wrote:

You were in the TL+ Mafia game, right? I was coaching scum in that atrocity of a game and I seem to recall you as one of the few highlights of town, but the whole game was full of lurk. EVERYBODY's activity was way below acceptable. I don't see how you can have played in that game and then decided that being inactive is a good idea.

If that wasn't you, then disregard. My TL+ ran out and I don't feel like paying just to make sure

On August 10 2013 04:13 Oberyn wrote:


I feel like I don't really have an understanding of what your reads are. I'd really like to see some sort of list post from you or something. Or at least a couple suggestions who to shoot. Have you tried to push sol further in pms?

On August 10 2013 04:44 Risen wrote:
Just to note, oats was at the top of my scum list earlier. You're far from the only one. Clarity has become even more scummy to me as he has posted more.

On August 10 2013 04:44 Chromatically wrote:

Town. He's active, pushing his scumreads, and isn't constructing his posts unnaturally.

On August 10 2013 04:50 Chromatically wrote:

You? And Solstice?

On August 10 2013 06:09 Chromatically wrote:

Koshi has been posting, but doesn't seem like he cares about the lynch at all. He's halfheartedly pushed Oats, and that's it.

Kirby and Onegu have similar problems, posting without caring about the lynch and not contributing.

On August 12 2013 00:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Does it matter now rayn?

Ok if we lynch yamato and hes town, can I choose who we lynch d3?

On August 12 2013 03:50 Chromatically wrote:

yeah I have a sneaking suspicion about yamato

On August 12 2013 03:51 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why is this unlucky?

On August 12 2013 04:07 Chromatically wrote:

Why would scum shooting Xat mean that the second visitor was trying to protect him?

On August 12 2013 02:55 iamperfection wrote:

no the likeliest conclusion is that gum was shot by a town vig at the end of the night when he was still alive.

yamato77- Thought he was town because of the fight early on but has been entirely apathetic in the game and is not intrested in catching scum at all. More intrested in complaining. could be scum

On August 12 2013 22:22 Onegu wrote:



Yes I am going though motivation and what could have happened. If he is scum he doesnt gain much no matter how it played out.

On August 12 2013 22:32 Onegu wrote:
Btw its not just Snb and Vivax absent, Jrkirby hasnt posted, and I think koshi also just posted for the first time.

On August 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote:

lol speaking of shitty cases maybe you should go read the one you just posted.

On August 12 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote:

listen you retard how the fuck would the vigi know that gum had 1 hp

On August 12 2013 22:52 Clarity_nl wrote:


That's a fair point but a LOT of people were aware of who was getting lord kp'd that night.
Surely the vigi if he did not know would try to find out before shooting someone?

As town vigi I would not shoot the person the lords are kping, even if he didn't die close to nightpost.

On August 12 2013 22:53 iamperfection wrote:

because im the towniest player in the game and the reason people dont listen to you is because your stupid. and your not even considering why else i would think it was a town vig.

now drop it

On August 12 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

So lets ask other dudes.

Before Acro claimed the red check on Yamato, who thought that Sharrant was cop?

On August 13 2013 00:07 Oberyn wrote:


You're lecturing us after deciding that you're only going to start playing the second half of the game, stating that you have no scum reads, and you want to push a policy lynch the day of a red check?

I'm not sure if I'd be more upset if you were to flip town or scum.

On August 12 2013 23:54 Vivax wrote:
Hey Koshi, shouldn't you find it strange that Oats got elected lord of our house? Wasn't he your scumread?

There's something I want to bring to thread's attention. S & B was extraordinarily malleable in his role as lord during N1. I had to leave that day already and decided I would put my vote onto him again cause he actually agreed on yamato being a viable target. The points he mentioned for him being scummy was

1. The way we (?) have to drag everything out of him and
2. The bad push on S & B himself, but he added that he might be biased cause he was being pushed.

Initially, S & B got convinced by Calrity to vote Onegu without much resistance, he quickly agreed with clarity's arguments and I asked S & B what he liked about those reasons, then I asked clarity what he said to him.

Their arguments:

Clarity:

- Mainly: Onegu soft-defended people too quickly.
- Simply doesn't seem interested, more posts in pregame

S & B:

- Agrees that pre-game banter was too much compared to in-game.
- Added that he only posted a clarity townread at the time.
- Sees himself as example for being soft-defended too quickly.

While being afk, S & B sent me a PM where he said he was going along with a plan from iamp and Rayn to shoot gumshoe.
I can't help but feel that S & B might be scum for his low activity, I don't see much case making from him, and it looked to me like he subjectively felt uncomfortable in the lord role.

What iamp and Rayn can now do is give me more insight into S & B's decision making process and if he mentioned yamato and Onegu in the conversation with you too. I'm interested into knowing how much dedication he put into proposing them as night kills. Given yamato's likely red flip I am suspicious of the way S & B agreed with me on yamato, possibly not doing anything about it afterwards.

On August 12 2013 23:54 Vivax wrote:
Hey Koshi, shouldn't you find it strange that Oats got elected lord of our house? Wasn't he your scumread?

On August 13 2013 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi, what?

On August 13 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sorry Koshi, I dont understand the past tense of that statement.

On August 13 2013 00:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah acro.
Its not cause Yamato flips town.

On August 13 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:

I dont understand what you are saying.

On August 13 2013 03:26 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah I don't see how this Grack thing is scummy at all.

On August 13 2013 03:45 Oberyn wrote:


Just to clarify, Jrkirby is not a Lannister (And if he is, we've got a nice dungeon cellar for him)

On August 13 2013 03:55 Chromatically wrote:

What was the trap?

Koshi
Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum.

On August 09 2013 06:41 jrkirby wrote:
One question I would like to ask the thread: Does anyone KNOW how much HP they have? I do not know how much HP I have. If you know, obviously I'm not asking you to announce how much HP you have to the thread. Actually, don't even say that you know how much HP you have. I just want to announce that I do not know how much HP I have.

This could be beneficial to town because then they can do better speculation on what people's roles are like.

On August 10 2013 06:49 jrkirby wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

People I want lynched/shot:
1) s0lstice. He claimed he didn't want to elect DI even though he thought that could easily determine if DI was scum. Enough reason to lynch right here.

2) sharant. I've heard he has a bunch of PM's but I haven't seen them. When he get into the thread he just starts defending Kush out of nowhere. None of it seems that useful and the evidence is largely meta. Kush hasn't been getting that much pressure anyway, so why does he need to defend like this?

3) oatsmaster. He posted a bunch of useless arguing with yamato at the beginning, which would be good if he had started making scumcases by now, but he's mostly given out townreads with the occasional we should lynch X with no real case.

4) Yamato. He is clearly the scummiest guy in our house. He didn't PM me until nearly the end of N0 for me to realize I got his real username wrong, and also was asking oberyn and onegu to vote for him. His arguments with oats just served to lengthen the thread without any real substance, and he hasn't posted any scumreads with substance.

On August 09 2013 06:55 jrkirby wrote:


We cannot PM people outside our houses, right?

On August 14 2013 18:27 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yeah, but if he's scum surely he knows iamp is gonna die. Why put him as a scumread when you know he's gonna flip town?
Not saying it makes him confirmed town or anything but I don't really see why it "feels wrong".
Walk me through a scum mindset of putting the town who is about to flip as a scumread in your fake deathpost

On July 17 2013 05:54 Koshi wrote:
I also got a couple questions, they might seem noob but I just want to verify:
1) Can we post PMs our mason made? This would mean that you can give more than 5 posts to your mason right? He just communicates through PM to you, and you copy paste in chat. Is this allowed? I see a chatlog posted and I am surprised.
2) In a normal game communication outside the thread is not allowed right? Even if you are 2 brothers playing the game you can't talk to each other about the game. Pure in theory.

On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote:
Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too.

On August 10 2013 06:56 jrkirby wrote:


I remember reading your case on me. I posted those things halfway through day 1 because I wasn't there at the start of day 1 but I wanted to get them posted anyway. Is that really a scummy thing to do? I also started with my scumread on solstice. Also, I caused the house member lists to get posted on page 46, is that not helpful for town?

On August 14 2013 19:32 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi, could you explain why there is a mole in House Lannister because 3 townies died?

On August 14 2013 19:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
We should lynch Vivax today.

On August 14 2013 19:50 Clarity_nl wrote:


Why would he not say this, as either alignment? Either he's town who read his role pm or he's scum who's pretending that his role pm says he's town.....
Why would he ever agree to jkirby looking scummy if he opened his role pm and then read the game.

On August 14 2013 20:04 Xatalos wrote:


You have to consider the fact that Ace was the primary target and iamperfection said there was some confusion about the secondary target, so it's not for certain that all KP went to Kush. Kush might also have more KP than gumshoe for all we know. I basically just disagree about your conclusion.

On August 14 2013 20:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Suck it acro house tyrell has a new lord

On August 14 2013 19:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
need to wait on something before im able to conclusively comment on sol.

On August 14 2013 20:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
ps kirby is likely not scum or they would have never elected oberyn

On August 10 2013 06:52 jrkirby wrote:
Also, Onegu is probably the biggest reason why we elected Oberyn, so if one of them is scum, there's a decent chance the other is scum too.

On August 14 2013 18:42 Mocsta wrote:
koshi, that's so so Wong on so many levels.

why?

1. why does a list post with yam at the bottom prove me scum? lol, so town can't have town reads on scum? is this what you are saying? if so, we should have lynched oats if he was alive.
2.why is asking a question about HP, alignment indicative?
3. clarity already nailed my summary post and why your interpretation appears far fetched.

this is why ver caught you koshi. nothing to do with actions or questions, but rather motive and intent.
instead of trying to understand why someone is doing something, you are looking for non-kosher actions and trying to spin them as scummily as you can.


its why I read you as scum early game and quickly coming back to the same realisation.

On August 14 2013 20:34 Mocsta wrote:
hmmm..
we are in a tough predicament as there is an abundance of choice for the lynch me thinks.

Contenders
(1) Koshi: His points on me feel as forced as with Oats, however, for some reason he has really dialed up the tryhard factor.
&
(2) Risen: 'Nuff said.

Awaiting More Info
(1) Solstice: Need this guy to respond
&
(2) Chromatically: Everyone keeps saying he is town based on PMs... I want to hear him respond before giving that any credence.
&
(3) Rayn: Like Koshi, is going out of his way to throw tarnish my reputation this game (sullied by my former, kirby)
===============
Xatalos, I might post the pms I had with Oberyn (paraphrased blah blah), where we discuss Iamp a bit later on. Hopefully that will settle any lingering doubt.

On August 14 2013 15:08 Mocsta wrote:

Last I checjed. U r not lord.

Chromatically >>> vivax

On August 14 2013 22:42 Vivax wrote:
Koshi, can you post a more concise line of reasoning for Mocsta being scum? I don't really see a logic for that behind your posts, it's more like you're antagonizing him.

Comments on Sharrant please.

I also want to add that Sharrant's roleblock claim should be treated as null. If he's scum he will know that it would look odd if a claimed cop doesn't get roleblocked.

On August 14 2013 22:59 Vivax wrote:


If Mocsta is town he will obviously believe that his predecessor was town.
Is he scum cause he thinks that his predecessor isn't scum? The fuck?

On August 14 2013 23:24 strongandbig wrote:
Scum killed three people who were going to be lords Day 2. Oatsmaster very odd choice otherwise IMO, he didnt breadcrumb afaik and I don't think he was readable as blue. Also 3/3 too much to be coincidence.

at least 1 of those people (oats) were not going to be lords today cause we elected clarity.

It seems likely scum was finishing off the people they split KP onto night 1. Makes me think they did not know the hp check before choosing their KP. Killing lords a possible scum tactic to produce confusion among town, disrupt "town circle" of lord pms. Possible that kill on gumshoe really did come from town vig instead of mole giving scum the hp checks.

On August 14 2013 20:34 Sharrant wrote:
Good morning, everyone.

Like Johnny said, I'm not going to be active for a while. I should be phone posting in about 12 hours, and hopefully posting from my laptop in 14ish.

Running late now: Vivax, SnB, Koshi, JrKirby/Mocsta are all persons of interest to me right now. Koshi has the strongest case in my eyes for being SK. Vivax never openly expressed his thoughts on Yamato (If I'm recalling correctly), but did so in PMs, this is suspicious to me. SnB has been such a non-factor that I feel he has a good chance of being scum. And JrKirby would have been my choice if not for Mocsta's replacement. Without the replacement he would be my for sure choice for lynch today,

Actual analysis will come when I'm not late for important things.

On August 15 2013 05:11 strongandbig wrote:


a townie's first duty is to not get lynched. defending yourself if you're going to get lynched is the most important thing.

i want to kill risen as i have made abundantly clear. i'm not satisfied at all with either of their answers. I think risen's day 1 shows his scum mindset and he hasn't gotten much better since then, he's spent the whole rest of the game tunneling sharrant and now he's voting me because i thought he had one good point in his case on sharrant but i still think he's scum.

i also still think vivax is probably scum but risen is still number one on my kill list atm.

On August 13 2013 02:12 Onegu wrote:
A is true, B is false, C is false A is alone, but B asked C to be false. 

I sent this to jrkirby, I didnt expect him to figure anything out, but wanted to be safe if oberyn lied to thread.

On August 14 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote:

Vivax
I liked his first post on Koshi a lot. As at the time I had a scum read on Koshi. Im stuck on Vivax. Since then, I don’t particularly like his posts HOWEVER, I do know for fact he has been very busy outside the game. Its more, Im not sure why he is posting. He seems to be trying to understand the target more; but is not there to follow up. So it becomes pointless, as he does not call them scum either. Again, I want to see more from Vivax regarding iamperfection Day3. Null

Grackaroni
Tough one.. Some things he has done are just so ridiculous you would think only a townie would be so careless. I cant help buy feel this guy is lynchbait, but cant peg why. Prob the whole ‘too scum to be scum’ which he tried to sell when giving his meta. Seemed plausible. Null. I would like to have a better understanding why iamperfection dropped this whole blacksheep earlyu-game stuff on Grack. I cant remember if the reasoning was well detailed.

Raynpelikoneet
Has been bugging me all game. Yet several have a strong town read on him. Some due to PMs which I don’t have access to. Im conflicted. Early game is terrible I think; Mid Day2, is relatively pro-town which balances out. Im not experienced with Rayn, but in Sicilian I felt he was town instantly, and not just because of the pardoner claim. Im not getting that vibe at all; early game he was displayed a lot of “forced aggression” and nitpicking. I think he is scum; but would pick him off last and he is the one I am the least confident about.

Koshi
Had a scum read on him early game. Especially as he maintained his tunnel on oats, which just read as forced points. Long absence; followed by a resurgence in posting late Day2. I actualy don’t mind his recent posting. Willing to give him a chance. Again, I want his opinion on people like chromatically/iamperfection. Null to leaning scum.

Strongandbig
I don’t get the early plan role thing. But whatevers. Hard guy to read cos of low give a crap factor. I think hes town personally. Cant really pinpoint why though. Overall; I just don’t feel hes been pushing anything… hence town.

On August 15 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Ok. Skimmed all filters and was left with a couple that stuck out to me

Snb
Grackeroni
Koshi
Vivax

Rayn I'm back to 50/50. I think my issue with him is we are treating the same tells 100% opposite. But he's standing up for his belief, as am I. That's indicative of town. So will give him a beeather.

Vivax is scum for sure. His filter is just too "polite" and just prods people but never takes hard stances. Vivax didn't become a respected town player with this type of filter.
I fully endorse a vivax lynch this cycle.

Koshi still sticks out to me. The really poor logic throughout the game. Not wanting to run for lord and then changing mind when an opportunity came through. He has also shown an inflexible mindset. I'm happy with his lynch too.

Grackeroni. I can't pinpoint it off my first skim but.. he's blending it. He shows enough understanding of the thread so is keeping up. But I don't like the moments he chooses to come into the thread. He's not really driving anything so the contributions I feel are fake. Plus u have the whole gumshoe 1hp leak thing. He made a defense of it which was handled well I admit. But too slick compared to his other posts. Smells very funny to me.

Snb.. shoulda realised this earlier. But a town snb always pushes oats as a lynch. Didn't get that this game.. I need to do another read on him too but I don't think yamato pushed him that hard. U could argue he pushed snb as hard as he pushed acro.

In short. My preferred lynch this cycle is vivax.
I can live with snb though.

On August 15 2013 22:30 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi. stop being a moron. The answers are in my filter.

e.g. chromatically was explained in the post i made making a case on rayn.

On August 15 2013 22:41 Xatalos wrote:


How come?

On August 15 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Dont u love how Koshi and Rayn like to attack ppl in tandem? Quite the coordinated effort gents.

When Kush kept talking to Sharrant about "fags".. musta been addressing you two.

On August 15 2013 22:58 Mocsta wrote:

Xat, ppl want me lynched every game; im not going to start crying about it.

If you had a read on me, whether town or scum.. and are willing to discard that read based on the post above... then i can add you that the 3/4 list of ppl i dont want to end game with.

The fact is, Koshi has come in, slandered me with no substance. and has now proceeded to disappear.

Why is this smear campaign acceptable behaviour from a townie? [Thats a real question for you]

On August 15 2013 17:00 Onegu wrote:



Ok so how is the post not uber scummy and no one calls him out on it. He gives no reads, adds nothing new to the arguement, but happy with the lynch because his townreads are voteing SnB? I am going to look at his NWM filter now as he was scum that game, but for now Imstick with my stance that he is scum.

On August 15 2013 23:20 Mocsta wrote:
As for Risen, I explained already to Xatalos, hes consistently crazy. Its pretty hard to fake that as scum. Im willing to downgrade him as low priority and focus on better percentage scummers such as Vivax and yourself.

On August 15 2013 23:24 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, I'd like Sharrant to explain in the thread why he has a town read on johnnywup and especially why he doesn't want to kill Kush. He hasn't answered my PM for a long time, but thinking about it more, it would be better to share his thoughts in thread.

On August 15 2013 23:21 Onegu wrote:
No wonder I feel so much more confident.

On August 15 2013 23:34 Onegu wrote:


No because of raynes rolecop check.

On August 15 2013 23:35 Onegu wrote:
Still have no idea why town would post that in thread that they would vote SnB in a instant because thier townreads were voteing him.

On August 15 2013 23:48 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi, anything else for me. Or is this chapter closed?

On August 15 2013 23:54 Xatalos wrote:


Hm?

On August 15 2013 23:56 Mocsta wrote:

Pls do. I thought reasons woudl be self explanatory.

On August 16 2013 00:17 Xatalos wrote:


You like Risen? -.- And his case was unlikely speculation, not nailing a scum.

On August 16 2013 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote:

lol i just checked and according to the OP, town needs to eliminate all "non-town"

lol
lol
lol

On August 16 2013 06:20 Risen wrote:


I understand, I just find you scummy for not reading the thread and posting. I don't think that's so hard to get, right? I hope we can still be friends :<

On August 18 2013 03:01 Xatalos wrote:


Why did Risen bus Sharrant so hard D2 then though?

On August 18 2013 03:26 Dandel Ion wrote:

why?
it should generally be fairly obvious and the exact numbers dont help us nuffin

On August 18 2013 03:49 Xatalos wrote:
Well, at least it's certain that DI and Sharrant are both town or both scum. Both town is many times more probable.

On August 18 2013 04:36 Risen wrote:
So we're just going to believe DI's house check and take it as gospel or did I miss the part where another house confirmed.

On August 18 2013 04:45 strongandbig wrote:

if he's scum

On August 18 2013 04:54 Dandel Ion wrote:
also I think I already stated this, but I'm not using the lord kp tonight.

On August 18 2013 05:15 Risen wrote:
Seems useless not to say anything so I shot rayn lol

On August 18 2013 05:44 johnnywup wrote:

never said i thought he was scum i said i wanted him dead. he's been an asshole to me and others and is disrupting town. at this point i don't care what he flips -.-

On August 18 2013 05:56 Risen wrote:
I only shot rayn as insurance for town. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

On August 18 2013 06:02 Xatalos wrote:
I miss being a Lord. It feels so powerless and stupid without that status.

And Grackaroni, where have you been all this time?

Has he even PM'd people?

On August 19 2013 01:48 Clarity_nl wrote:


Someone asks for a houselist, johnny posts a houselist. snb calls it scummy. I call it null.
Then you say if it was town he would have known where vivax and gumshoe would have been, as if he wouldn't have known as scum.

Here's the town reasoning to post the list: someone asked, so you contribute
Here's the scum reasoning to post the list: someone asked and you might look like you're contributing

UNLESS YOU CAN TELL ME WHY IT'S #2, JUST STFU ABOUT IT

Like, I'm so tired of this discussion holy fuck. I dunno how you can be so logically inept yet still yell at everyone else but "not playing the right way"

On August 19 2013 02:33 Risen wrote:
1) 3 of those people haven't flipped, one was town. No one ever said why my targets were bad, it just was.

2) And then Vivax flipped red and Shar was wrong about a red check.

3) Rayn was a bad plan; Xata, SnB haven't flipped. Note how I still want Xata dead, though, and haven't made any real comments on SnB.

4) What? I've been pushing Vivax since d1 when he defended FT while trying to shift the wagon back to Onegu. I was the second of six votes on Vivax. I didn't jump on the wagon to kill him, I helped create it.

5) It was a bad time, I was really embarassed and ashamed for my play over the course of the day. You got flak because at the time you said it Chrom has completely unraveled my case and you didn't voice anything other than "yeah I support lynching Shar". That's not really giving a good reason, especially after the case gets debunked. Had you said this after it turned out Shar was giving a red check on a green target it might be worth something.

6) Seemed like a good idea at the time. In hindsight, probably not so much.

7) That's not what it says at all. It says the scum plan assuming Shar is scum is to get Onegu alone in the house so he can either a) control it as he's on the scum team or b) they can kill him as part of the three people are dead sweep tonight.

On August 19 2013 02:47 Risen wrote:


Sharrant, DI, Acro is my scum team.

On August 19 2013 02:51 Risen wrote:


Vivax was already the lynch target when DI did this, right?

On August 19 2013 02:53 Risen wrote:
And DI went from lol Vivax prolly town to Vivax best lynch right now awful fast.

On August 19 2013 02:58 Risen wrote:


I thought screaming out Shar was the clear lynch in caps was screaming to the thread to lynch somebody. It's not?

On August 19 2013 03:24 Onegu wrote:



Jeez why would I make the grack case as scum? And you made a incorrect statement I showed you were wrong. Besides grack is scum, and the first point is more about him throwing shit back at the person who called him out instead of just scum hunting, and ignoreing the person who hadnt done much.

On August 19 2013 03:31 Onegu wrote:

Im saying why put myself out there. If I am scum I say little become a lord and win the game. There are so many lurkers now I could just blend into the crowd and use the power I will get d5.

On August 19 2013 03:36 Onegu wrote:



Because I am fairly sure scum are setting this up so they can all be lords on d5 have majority get the lynch, lords kp and scum kp. That should be close to enough for a win....

On August 19 2013 03:47 Onegu wrote:



Thats why I said if I was scum. But Im not. But when mocsta assholed out, I lost passion for this game. So go ahead and kill me. Btw s0L is confirmed town, dont lynch him.

On August 19 2013 03:51 Onegu wrote:
When I flip town and there if the game isnt over/in scum hands look how fast koshi jumped on the lynch onegu train and off shar.

On August 20 2013 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gg.

Why did Xatalos do a 180 on his read on Koshi at some point?

On August 20 2013 15:25 DrParnassus wrote:
what did you guys think of the setup? was it fun to play? too complicated? too weird?

from reading the scum qt it seemed like some people REALLY got into the pm part of the game, and some almost ignored it entirely. what were your experiences?