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On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all.
I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them.
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On August 08 2013 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, lets roll back for a second.
Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers.
If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI).
If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice.
So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other?
I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this.
well chrom has been bystanding basically just because he was afk so much.
he did however not fail the test that koshi failed so spectacularily.
cuz when I told chrom "sol is scum" in a oneliner without explanation he actually 1) asked for reasons 2) talked about the reasons 3) told me he was more suspicious of koshi instead and that i should look into him.
3) is a towntell in multiple ways which I won't go into right now
so yeah chrom wasn't doing much but it's not like he was super shifty about it and he's (again) the only housie that showed interest in figuring out the players in the house.
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On August 08 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, lets roll back for a second.
Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers.
If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI).
If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice.
So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other?
I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this. well chrom has been bystanding basically just because he was afk so much. he did however not fail the test that koshi failed so spectacularily. cuz when I told chrom "sol is scum" in a oneliner without explanation he actually 1) asked for reasons 2) talked about the reasons 3) told me he was more suspicious of koshi instead and that i should look into him. 3) is a towntell in multiple ways which I won't go into right now so yeah chrom wasn't doing much but it's not like he was super shifty about it and he's (again) the only housie that showed interest in figuring out the players in the house.
Okay, so its your belief s0l and koshi are both Blackfyres? Or what is your take on the main point of my earlier discourse?
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On August 08 2013 22:44 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:38 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, lets roll back for a second.
Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers.
If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI).
If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice.
So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other?
I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this. well chrom has been bystanding basically just because he was afk so much. he did however not fail the test that koshi failed so spectacularily. cuz when I told chrom "sol is scum" in a oneliner without explanation he actually 1) asked for reasons 2) talked about the reasons 3) told me he was more suspicious of koshi instead and that i should look into him. 3) is a towntell in multiple ways which I won't go into right now so yeah chrom wasn't doing much but it's not like he was super shifty about it and he's (again) the only housie that showed interest in figuring out the players in the house.
I can see why you want to switch Houses 
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On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them.
Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers.
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WHAT? CAN I POST MY OWN PMS BECAUSE DI IS JUST LYING 24/7 WTF
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On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them.
People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern.
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No you can't post your pms, you just tell your version of the story. So far Dandel seems concise while you seem all over the place.
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On August 08 2013 22:47 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers.
I, as a lord, don't even know how much KP is in my hands. I have prayed to the gods for more information. Not quite sure how you know it's a LOT.
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On August 08 2013 22:39 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.
A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.
Koshi still better lynch tho. Could you explain how Koshi was inconsistent in your PM conversations?
1) says the best scumhunter should be lord
1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom
2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places
2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him
3) says he doesn't want to be lord
3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why
4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.
4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any.
4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly
4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
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Also Chrom said koshi's early PMs looked nervous and terse, but he's probably better off explaining that himself.
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On August 08 2013 22:48 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern.
I have a good method for deciding KP.
if (filter.length() < 3) {
Use KP
} else {
Save KP
}
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On August 08 2013 22:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers. I, as a lord, don't even know how much KP is in my hands. I have prayed to the gods for more information. Not quite sure how you know it's a LOT.
According to the rules it's 1 KP per Lord per Day. 1 x 7 = 7 KP = a lot.
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On August 08 2013 22:48 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern.
This seems like a cheap way out of responsibility. In the end it is YOUR vote and YOU will be held accountable for your use of it.
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On August 08 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:
WHAT? CAN I POST MY OWN PMS BECAUSE DI IS JUST LYING 24/7 WTF
just tell us what he said you just don't quote it
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On August 08 2013 22:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:49 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:47 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. Lurkers should also remember that there's a LOT of KP in the hands of the Lords and they will most likely be used against lurkers. I, as a lord, don't even know how much KP is in my hands. I have prayed to the gods for more information. Not quite sure how you know it's a LOT. According to the rules it's 1 KP per Lord per Day. 1 x 7 = 7 KP = a lot.
This game has a health sytem
Also
Each house has an X kp shot every night cycle (combined, so shot every 72 hours) which is used by whoever is currently lord. They must pm the mods to send in the house kp and the action will go through as soon as a mod sees the pm.
How did you derive X?
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lord role pms sent to house lords
Remember, all lords must vote in this thread.
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I was just told I have 1 KP. How did Xatalos know this already?
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On August 08 2013 22:55 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote:
WHAT? CAN I POST MY OWN PMS BECAUSE DI IS JUST LYING 24/7 WTF just tell us what he said you just don't quote it
lets go what are you waiting for
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