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Dandel Ion could you be more specific about what sol is lying about. Right now your description is too generic.
You can paraphrase koshi. Just no direct quotes.
On August 08 2013 22:55 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:48 Oberyn wrote:On August 08 2013 22:43 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 22:38 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord.
That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. I don't know why Oberyn suggests it should be behind closed doors in any case. As I stated to my house members, I will be pressuring people to give their opinions, and why, regardless of whether they are a lord or not. It is far more dangerous that filthy Blackfyres just lurk in the background while upstanding members of the realm murder each other based on false accusations, than that scum "bus" each other when they have no power. In the latter they are at least talking and influencing and involved in the decision process. In the former, the Blackfyres win without sticking out their hands. Lurkers are even more of a problem than usual and I will be keeping an eye on them. People should certainly post in the thread who they want to lynch and that part shouldn't remain in pms or anything. I was just suggesting that it also be discussed in PMs so one Lord isn't overruling their entire house when it comes to who they should decide to vote. I'm still undecided on how the suggested kp target should be handled. People should certainly post who they think deserves to be shot and perhaps we can use a voting system to have everyone decide, rather than a few individuals, but I'm unsure what type of protective roles the mafia team may have. The kp seem to be instant so if the mafia protective roles aren't instant, this wouldn't be a concern. This seems like a cheap way out of responsibility. In the end it is YOUR vote and YOU will be held accountable for your use of it.
Don't chastise me, Lord of Weeds. Give the peasants the illusion that their opinion matters.
On August 08 2013 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
I was just told I have 1 KP. How did Xatalos know this already?
Are you coming to any conclusion from this statement? It doesn't seem like something the mafia would know either.
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On August 08 2013 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
I was just told I have 1 KP. How did Xatalos know this already?
probably an assumption
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On August 08 2013 22:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:39 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.
A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.
The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much.
Koshi still better lynch tho. Could you explain how Koshi was inconsistent in your PM conversations? 1) says the best scumhunter should be lord 1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom 2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places 2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him 3) says he doesn't want to be lord 3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why 4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any. 4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly 4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
That's the part where it really looks bad out of your points. If he didn't trust you, why would he justify his reads with your opinions? I have to say that this list doesn't look too good for Koshi. At least he's here, participating in the discussion, but his N0 is looking shady.
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like i dont know where your going with this acro like i said to you in pm about
xatlos
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i will tell you this
1. he put himself out for lord first of any of us
2. Has been very active in pms
3. aggressive towards grack
I would say those would points would indicate him more likely to be town
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On August 08 2013 23:01 Acrofales wrote:
I was just told I have 1 KP. How did Xatalos know this already?
Well, what do you suggest? That I'm some 3P perma-Lord or what? I haven't read that part of the rules in ages, but I did ask about the KP once in the thread:
On July 29 2013 18:30 Xatalos wrote:
By the way, is the House Lord KP silent or announced?
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House KP is silent.
My mind probably tricked me into thinking that it was a single KP from that memory. It also makes a lot more sense than some multi-damaging KP. It's always been 1 KP before in my games.
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wtf is taking so long koshi?
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I'm guessing he got distracted by a patch of grass.
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-Dandel told me that s0lstice was either a retard or a scum in 1 message
-I replied to him that s0lstice was nice to me and that there was no reason to believe he was either retarded or scum. I also said that s0llstice actually was a good leader and unlike DI that just wanted to kill Kush "because"
-Which DI answered to "it's not because, it's win/win (It clearly was not a joke like he claims now.)
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.
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1) says the best scumhunter should be lord (Which I thought was s0lstice, I only knew DI from NWM)
1.5) does not vote the best scumhunter, votes the last place he himself stated to share with chrom (this was after all pms)
2) says he and chrom are in similar positions/places (imo yes)
2.5) does not even think about electing chrom but wants himself only because "it's me lol", tries to threaten a no-lord voting because "i (=dandel) cant convince sol to vote with me anyways lololol", so he's basically tried to blackmail me into voting for him (I voted chrom in the end. I just wanted to run because out of 2 equals I should pick myself because chrom might be scum (even though Chrom looks just as good as s0lstice)
3) says he doesn't want to be lord (At first)
3.5) suddenly wants to be lord, utterly unable to explain why (I fucking explained it 10 times)
4) says he won't vote for me because I'm tunneling and won't vote solstice because "there is suspicion on him" (aforementioned oneliner without explanation lol)
4.5) doesn't really fit the numbering thing but this is basically a paradoxon because he's saying he won't listen to me, but won't vote the guy he wanted lord half the phase because I'm suspicious of him.
4.6) If he wasn't listening to me, he wouldn't have listened period, but he's ran straight out of excuses and can't find any.
4.6.1) he probably thought I wouldn't notice because I was tunneling sol apparantly
4.7) at that point i wasn't even tunneling sol, but he didn't care to check that.
Point 4 and below is indeed a bit bad play on my part. But in my gut I just knew that those 2 weren't going to work together and that I should be able to run for Lord.
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Maybe I took n0 not serious enough for DI. But I had enough bullshit from this guy, he is lying 24/7 and any normal person would descredit him for being Lord after the PMs he sent me.
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On August 08 2013 23:11 iamperfection wrote:
wtf is taking so long koshi?
I am working....
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like if your going to say someone is lying that is pretty much saying they are close to confirmed scum you have to have something to back it up
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so im confused where did he specifically lie?
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Hail to the King Lord! I am back!
One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.
Then there is our house. To protect the identities of our housemates let´s call them FT, NM8 and RI. I PM'd everyone at the start of the game saying i am running for the house lord. I also asked people some questions, mainly about if they thought we should reveal our house members or not.
FT answered me first telling he was gonna run for the lord too, saying he would be willing to vote for me though if consolidation was needed, and answering my question. He wanted to know what thread thought about the "revealing housemates" question before giving an answer. Bullshit answer. That´s really bad, he does not have an opinion on his own. Note that the motive behind the question was the following; It was possible that mafia did not have their shit together at that point of the game. If town benefits (which we will, the real question is how much) from the reveal, mafia needs to deal with this shit somehow. Having an opinion (whatever that is) should not be a problem if you are town. Seems fishy.
FT then puts up his own campaign and apparently sent that to everyone. I asked people what they did think about his campaign. This is when RI answers me. He tells me he´s not gonna run for the house lord title because he had a long break and is not comfortable leading. FT´s campaign seems fishy to him because FT feels noncommittal in his campaign. I notived the same thing, although i felt more like FT was trying to sound confident (something he totally lacked in his other PM´s with me) but he really wasn´t confident. He was leaving himself multiple outs like thet he is gonna use our house´s vote on whoever the majority of our house decides on. That´s bullshit. RI says he´s okay with voting me.
NM8 also answers me. Says he´s played on another forum for some years. He is okay with voting for me, and he actually gives reasons why he want´s to elect me. Transparency, activity, when transparent harder to fake if mafia etc. Sounds pretty townish thinking to me.
I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.
FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.
RI seems okay.
NM8 town.
I would like to hear what you guys talked with each other. I am under the assumption that everyone in our house has been in contact with other people?
I do not know what to make of the Dandel/Koshi/Solstice/Chromatically stuff that´s been going on in thread. Other than that this is most likely town!Dandel. Koshi you said Dandel lied. Care to point out how (if you didn´t already when i am writing this post)?
The thing that most sticks out to me so far is this:
Onegu:
This is what Onegu had to say at the start of the game:
On August 08 2013 15:14 Onegu wrote:
If it is random scum distrabution there maybe multiple houses who dont have scum, if scum can completely wipe a house out getting rid of a vote, that is very helpful for scum and something we should avoid if possible.
Onegu clearly thinks it not beneficial to tell the thread who is in what house.
When yamato exposes their house´s member he follows up with this:
On August 08 2013 17:07 Onegu wrote:
Im not. Why do you think I am. Eventually everyone will have to give out reads it is mafia. With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you, the first being vote for me Im the best choice as I have the most xp. After out our house I have moved you to null/ town while you outing our house gives scum info, no reason for you as scum to give out the info because scum would already have it.
That is a contradiction. Outing your house members is first anti-town, but when yamato does it he gets a townread because of that.
Onegu, explain, because the explanation you gave is really bad.
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On August 08 2013 23:20 iamperfection wrote:
so im confused where did he specifically lie?
I did share my thought about S0lstice, the only difference with Chrom is that I backed S0lstice up and put suspicion back on DI which is what DI is not liking about me and why Chrom is town & Lord.
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On August 08 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:20 iamperfection wrote:
so im confused where did he specifically lie? I did share my thought about S0lstice, the only difference with Chrom is that I backed S0lstice up and put suspicion back on DI which is what DI is not liking about me and why Chrom is town & Lord.
Dandel seems to have made quite the spotlight on himself what do you think of that?
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Koshi did you replace in before or after Dandel replaced out?
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On August 08 2013 23:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 23:23 Koshi wrote:On August 08 2013 23:20 iamperfection wrote:
so im confused where did he specifically lie? I did share my thought about S0lstice, the only difference with Chrom is that I backed S0lstice up and put suspicion back on DI which is what DI is not liking about me and why Chrom is town & Lord. Dandel seems to have made quite the spotlight on himself what do you think of that?
I never treated DI as a scumread n0, I always answered his questions and made my thoughts clear. It was only today that I for the first time pointed him out as possible scum because he was stirring shit up. He could have calmly said to me that he was a better scumhunter than s0lstice but he didn't. He said to me that he wanted to kill Kush and that s0lstice is scum.
Him putting the spotlight on himself is exactly what he did in NWM and he got himself almost lynched for it., only because his scumbuddies didn't buss him after all. This time he is trying to get me lynched instead of himself.
But being in the spotlight seem to be a normal thing for DI so I don't think anything of that.
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One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.
I dont understand this part. Im not trying to convince you that specific people are town.
How can mafian's be found out if I claim the people in my house and the fact that I think they are all town?
I dont understand this Ryan.
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On August 08 2013 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi did you replace in before or after Dandel replaced out?
After. But I heard the stories.
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