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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 08 2013 15:00 GMT
#681
yamato, did you first vote for Onegu for the house lord because of experienced?
table for two on a tv tray
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 08 2013 15:01 GMT
#682
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol

First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
August 08 2013 15:04 GMT
#683
On August 09 2013 00:01 strongandbig wrote:
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol

First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.

thanks for telling us nothing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:04 GMT
#684
On August 08 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.

You forgot that we had that discussion 2 hours before that as well.

That one?

SexyDandel: koshi es scum
DirtyPeasant: do you actually think he's scum?
SexyDandel: dunno

-THE END-

Read is where exactly?

note how he didn't actually ask for reasons (he never did), he just asked if i was serious.
town wants to know reasons, scum would only want to make use of the level of seriousness (which he tried to do in his quest for lordship that failed so throughly)


You yourself said he asked why in a post earlier. Is this untrue?

What did sol lie about? Why did you think so strongly that he was scum?

wtf is it with you and sol

I'm tunneling koshi here.
I didn't "strongly" think sol was scum, I only phrased it as such to get reads on the other two. Well, actually just towards Chrom, @koshi i actually have said "retard or scum" which is something else entirely.

Again, why do you have such a boner for sol?


On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol).


On August 08 2013 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
solstice might be a second scum, who knows, it wouldn't surprise me, but I'm still not one way or the other on him.


On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points


On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.


You're welcome to tunnel koshi, but when you use wording like this, I'm trying to understand if you're being sensationalistic or sincere. You call out sol as lying and misrepresenting your play, which almost certainly points to you viewing him as scum, then post that you haven't decided one way or another, then decide that you've found two scum players a few hours into the game. You post that koshi didn't ask reasons why sol is scum, but also posted that koshi did ask why and posted reason he felt he was town. You're playing emotionally to justify your tunnel, which I view as scummy.

On August 08 2013 23:52 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu?

I think your post on Onegu was a really weak way to enter the thread.

uh what was weak about it?


Either yamato is mafia and already knows the identities of House Martell or he is town, making an anti-town decision, but is still not scum. Him posting the house list doesn't mean Onegu should be more suspicious of him.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:04 GMT
#685
On August 09 2013 00:01 strongandbig wrote:
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol

First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.

oh hey a meaningless post without reads by snb
quelle surprise


why/how are you lord?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:05 GMT
#686
On August 09 2013 00:04 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.

You forgot that we had that discussion 2 hours before that as well.

That one?

SexyDandel: koshi es scum
DirtyPeasant: do you actually think he's scum?
SexyDandel: dunno

-THE END-

Read is where exactly?

note how he didn't actually ask for reasons (he never did), he just asked if i was serious.
town wants to know reasons, scum would only want to make use of the level of seriousness (which he tried to do in his quest for lordship that failed so throughly)


You yourself said he asked why in a post earlier. Is this untrue?

What did sol lie about? Why did you think so strongly that he was scum?

wtf is it with you and sol

I'm tunneling koshi here.
I didn't "strongly" think sol was scum, I only phrased it as such to get reads on the other two. Well, actually just towards Chrom, @koshi i actually have said "retard or scum" which is something else entirely.

Again, why do you have such a boner for sol?


Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol).


Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
solstice might be a second scum, who knows, it wouldn't surprise me, but I'm still not one way or the other on him.


Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points


Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.


You're welcome to tunnel koshi, but when you use wording like this, I'm trying to understand if you're being sensationalistic or sincere. You call out sol as lying and misrepresenting your play, which almost certainly points to you viewing him as scum, then post that you haven't decided one way or another, then decide that you've found two scum players a few hours into the game. You post that koshi didn't ask reasons why sol is scum, but also posted that koshi did ask why and posted reason he felt he was town. You're playing emotionally to justify your tunnel, which I view as scummy.

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:52 iamperfection wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu?

I think your post on Onegu was a really weak way to enter the thread.

uh what was weak about it?


Either yamato is mafia and already knows the identities of House Martell or he is town, making an anti-town decision, but is still not scum. Him posting the house list doesn't mean Onegu should be more suspicious of him.

No, he just asked if I was serious.
Not why.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
August 08 2013 15:05 GMT
#687
On August 09 2013 00:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:01 strongandbig wrote:
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol

First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.

oh hey a meaningless post without reads by snb
quelle surprise


why/how are you lord?

im giving dandelion the totes town read for have the same thought i had
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:06 GMT
#688
On August 09 2013 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:04 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.

You forgot that we had that discussion 2 hours before that as well.

That one?

SexyDandel: koshi es scum
DirtyPeasant: do you actually think he's scum?
SexyDandel: dunno

-THE END-

Read is where exactly?

note how he didn't actually ask for reasons (he never did), he just asked if i was serious.
town wants to know reasons, scum would only want to make use of the level of seriousness (which he tried to do in his quest for lordship that failed so throughly)


You yourself said he asked why in a post earlier. Is this untrue?

What did sol lie about? Why did you think so strongly that he was scum?

wtf is it with you and sol

I'm tunneling koshi here.
I didn't "strongly" think sol was scum, I only phrased it as such to get reads on the other two. Well, actually just towards Chrom, @koshi i actually have said "retard or scum" which is something else entirely.

Again, why do you have such a boner for sol?


On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol).


On August 08 2013 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
solstice might be a second scum, who knows, it wouldn't surprise me, but I'm still not one way or the other on him.


On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points


On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.


You're welcome to tunnel koshi, but when you use wording like this, I'm trying to understand if you're being sensationalistic or sincere. You call out sol as lying and misrepresenting your play, which almost certainly points to you viewing him as scum, then post that you haven't decided one way or another, then decide that you've found two scum players a few hours into the game. You post that koshi didn't ask reasons why sol is scum, but also posted that koshi did ask why and posted reason he felt he was town. You're playing emotionally to justify your tunnel, which I view as scummy.

On August 08 2013 23:52 iamperfection wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu?

I think your post on Onegu was a really weak way to enter the thread.

uh what was weak about it?


Either yamato is mafia and already knows the identities of House Martell or he is town, making an anti-town decision, but is still not scum. Him posting the house list doesn't mean Onegu should be more suspicious of him.

No, he just asked if I was serious.
Not why.


So this didn't happen?

On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord .


Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 08 2013 15:06 GMT
#689
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..
table for two on a tv tray
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
August 08 2013 15:06 GMT
#690
On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only.

Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural.


Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere.

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:
Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it:

On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you.

Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever.

I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms.
All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected.


koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno.
Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you.

Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far.

1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit".
2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20.
3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread.
4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice.

Here is my first real scumread.


This is not concise reasoning for Oats being scum, The first two don't seem relevant, and I'm not sure that he's calling you scum just for 3).
4 is him being an ass to you, isn't necessarily alignment indicative.

Do you really think he's scum for those reasons? To me it looks like you're angry at him and calling him scum for that. If you think he's scum then I want to see a clear line of thought in reaching that conclusion.

I would like to see any reasons you have for your scumreads to be presented in a concise case with no waffle, especially with material from the thread that's available to everyone. I'm not willing to take anything you and Dandel say regarding lies and inconsistencies during the night at face value until there are members of your house to present their version of events between you two.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:09 GMT
#691
On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..


He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
August 08 2013 15:10 GMT
#692
On August 09 2013 00:09 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..


He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion.

he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:14 GMT
#693
On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:09 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..


He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion.

he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter"


I find not sharing an opinion on the Dandel/koshi situation weak.
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
August 08 2013 15:21 GMT
#694
On August 09 2013 00:14 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:09 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..


He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion.

he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter"


I find not sharing an opinion on the Dandel/koshi situation weak.

So it wasn´t my thoughts about Onegu that was weak after all? Why the sudden change of mind?
If a player thinks an action is anti-town, they can´t possibly give someone town credit from it. You said that yourself.

If you havn´t noticed i am following the Koshi/DI situation. I think DI is town. I am not sure about Koshi, but there is no point in everyone spamming questions to him in thread. what makes you think i am not trying to get more information on that matter? Why should i call Koshi town or mafia if i do not know what that rant with DI makes him?
table for two on a tv tray
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 08 2013 15:23 GMT
#695
On August 09 2013 00:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:01 strongandbig wrote:
So hey guys I be The Lord of house stark
Also iphone capitalizes the phrase The Lord apparent lol

First thoughts: I think dandel's playstyle is bothe irksome and actively anti town in multiple ways, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent towards any argument that someone is scum based on how they interacted with dandel in pms.

oh hey a meaningless post without reads by snb
quelle surprise


why/how are you lord?

cause everyone else in my house thinks i'm town

Anyway now that i'm not posting from phone anymore, I wanted to bring a new topic to the thread's attention. That topic is: Clarity_nl.

This is an edited/paraphrased version of a pm I sent to someone else in my house.

Oh BTW I checked with the hosts and apparently we're not even allowed to quote pms from one person in pms to another person. I don't think they've said that in the thread yet though.

I've also removed the names of the other people in my house. I don't think it's important to keep them secret because scum almost certainly knows who is in which house; they probably have members in most houses, and if there are multiple houses they don't have people in, they already know who the lord is and I doubt the other members will be secret for long. But since there's no actual advantage to revealing this either at this moment, I redacted them until we make a decision as a group.


[snip]
anyway yes there has been some interesting stuff going on. REDACTED said he was going to tell you also but i'll give you a summary. (I asked the hosts, we're not allowed to copy content from one pm into another pm so I can't just give you the chain of messages).

I told clarity my role name, and told him not to tell anyone. I also told him he should vote for me because of my role claim, he said no but that my role claim gave me townie points because it could be counterclaimed.

Clarity then told REDACTED my role name, and when asked why he said that i told him i was going to tell REDACTED myself eventually. that was not true.

He said he told REDACTED because he was curious what REDACTED would say about it. then when i pushed him on why he told REDACTED and why he lied about what I told him, he said he was making a gambit himself. he ignored the part about why he lied to REDACTED about my statement until i asked him for a third time, when he said he misunderstood the post where i told him to keep it a secret. he eventually said that he was testing my reaction by ruining my gambit intentionally to see if i got angry or not (apparently he thought a townie would get angry and scum would not).

A few things to note here:
1. he told me at first that he was curious about what REDACTED would say about my role name claim. then later he told me that he was testing my reaction.
2. he ignored the part about why he told REDACTED that i said i was going to tell everyone eventually, until the third time i asked about it.
3. he never actually asked me what my plan or gambit was, either before or after he intentionally ruined it. There was no actual plan, i just decided to tell my role name to him and not to REDACTED and see what happened because i don't actually think role names are important, if the hosts are not stupid then scum will either have benign role names or will have safe claims. But the thing is, he ruined my plan without finding out what it was first, and then even after he claimed that he intentionally ruined my plan, he never asked what it was.
4. this is just my feeling, but i feel like he was being excessively casual when i first started asking him why he told REDACTED my rolename when i told him not to, he said *shrug* and wasn't acting like it mattered that he told REDACTED.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 08 2013 15:24 GMT
#696
On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..


not a huge problem, his logic makes sense.

he's saying it's poor play for a townie to take that action, but it doesn't make sense for a scum member to take it so it's more likely coming from a bad townie than from scum.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17992 Posts
August 08 2013 15:25 GMT
#697
Yeah. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Koshi and DI are both loyal to the realm and are misunderstanding each other. They are both thinking they are way more awesome players than they are. Can we stop this shitstorm until either s0lstice or chrom has a new perspective on things? Your kibbling is about as useful as Oats and Yamato's was.

@Iamperfection: the 1 KP thing isn't indicative of alignment at all, but his explanation might have been. Too bad umpteen people jumped in to defend him before he even explained himself, rendering any pressure he might have felt completely moot.

@snb: dear Lord Stark, please start playing the game.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:27 GMT
#698
shut up mom
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:30 GMT
#699
On August 09 2013 00:06 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:04 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:41 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:39 Koshi wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:17 Koshi wrote:
DI told me that s0lstice was scum again 2 hours later:
I asked him why and I told him I found s0lstice genuine and without extra agenda.
DI replied to me his read on s0ltice and only after that I ran for lord.

I checked, I did NOT share any kind of read on sol.

The exchange you are mentioning went:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord (not "town" or "interested in the game", but "interested in being lord" how the fuck is that a reason to vote him if it's not for me)
DirtyPeasant: and I think you have an additional agenda
SexyDandel: yeah no shit sherlock I've told you my additional agenda, has solstice done that?

-THE END-

Can anybody see a read in that?
I don't.
Because at that point I wasn't even tunneling sol that badly anymore. Would be weird if I had shared a scumread in that case.

You forgot that we had that discussion 2 hours before that as well.

That one?

SexyDandel: koshi es scum
DirtyPeasant: do you actually think he's scum?
SexyDandel: dunno

-THE END-

Read is where exactly?

note how he didn't actually ask for reasons (he never did), he just asked if i was serious.
town wants to know reasons, scum would only want to make use of the level of seriousness (which he tried to do in his quest for lordship that failed so throughly)


You yourself said he asked why in a post earlier. Is this untrue?

What did sol lie about? Why did you think so strongly that he was scum?

wtf is it with you and sol

I'm tunneling koshi here.
I didn't "strongly" think sol was scum, I only phrased it as such to get reads on the other two. Well, actually just towards Chrom, @koshi i actually have said "retard or scum" which is something else entirely.

Again, why do you have such a boner for sol?


On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol).


On August 08 2013 21:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
solstice might be a second scum, who knows, it wouldn't surprise me, but I'm still not one way or the other on him.


On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points


On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour.

A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though.


You're welcome to tunnel koshi, but when you use wording like this, I'm trying to understand if you're being sensationalistic or sincere. You call out sol as lying and misrepresenting your play, which almost certainly points to you viewing him as scum, then post that you haven't decided one way or another, then decide that you've found two scum players a few hours into the game. You post that koshi didn't ask reasons why sol is scum, but also posted that koshi did ask why and posted reason he felt he was town. You're playing emotionally to justify your tunnel, which I view as scummy.

On August 08 2013 23:52 iamperfection wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:50 Oberyn wrote:
On August 08 2013 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oats who´s scum? What do you think about what i wrote on Onegu?

I think your post on Onegu was a really weak way to enter the thread.

uh what was weak about it?


Either yamato is mafia and already knows the identities of House Martell or he is town, making an anti-town decision, but is still not scum. Him posting the house list doesn't mean Onegu should be more suspicious of him.

No, he just asked if I was serious.
Not why.


So this didn't happen?

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
SexyDandel: sol es scum (sick paraphrasing)
DirtyPeasant: why he looks interested in being lord .



details.
while maybe (or maybe not remember im paraphrasing here) saying the word he does not pursue the reasons.

Arguing whether or not he ever said the word why is mere semantics.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 08 2013 15:31 GMT
#700
Okay, so here's what happened:

Me, DI, and Solstice all want to be lord, Koshi doesn't. Solstice and DI fight with each other all day, neither wants the other to be lord. DI said Koshi was his second choice, Sol said I was his second choice. Then Koshi randomly says he wants to be lord, but is obstructive about his reasoning. DI and Sol both vote for me.


What doesn't make sense is why Sol voted for me instead of Dandel. AFTER I was elected lord (and it was too late to change that), Solstice PMs me and says that he is "reasonably sure" DI is town, and that he's not sure about me.

Why would you not vote a strong townread for lord over a null read?

Here are the reasons he's given for opposing DI all day:
a) He's scared that Dandel would just claim scum and blow our nightactions
b) He has a different playstyle
c) They're "butting heads"
d) He's not serious

NONE of these are valid reasons to not vote someone who you are "reasonably certain" is town. Who cares if we lose nightactions in exchange for confirmed scum? Why does it matter if you're arguing?

He's making up reasons to not vote DI so that we're forced to vote him instead.

##Vote: Solstice


Koshi, why did you propose yourself instead of voting Solstice?
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