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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:33 GMT
#701
wait he told you you're a null read to him?
what the fuck
A backwards poet writes inverse.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 08 2013 15:33 GMT
#702
Do players get informed when they get hit by KP?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:33 GMT
#703
House Martell also demands an explanation for this injustice.

##Vote: Solstice
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:33 GMT
#704
wait what he said to me is that he was not putting any effort into reading people, I guess I should have taken that as a null read all along.
whatevs IT SLIPPED MY MIND
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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 08 2013 15:34 GMT
#705
He said that he was "reasonably sure" you were town, and "dunno yet" about me.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:34 GMT
#706
On August 09 2013 00:33 strongandbig wrote:
Do players get informed when they get hit by KP?

why should they we're not even told how much hp we have..
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 08 2013 15:36 GMT
#707
not how much kp you get hit by or how much hp you have left. but "you just took some damage" is totally something that could be notified.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
August 08 2013 15:39 GMT
#708
DI and Koshi, do either of you think that the other one is lying about what happened?
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:40 GMT
#709
On August 09 2013 00:39 Chromatically wrote:
DI and Koshi, do either of you think that the other one is lying about what happened?

Koshi avoid lying by not talking about things and not explaining himself.

So no he hasn't reeeeeally lied yet. Technically.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:42 GMT
#710
On August 09 2013 00:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:39 Chromatically wrote:
DI and Koshi, do either of you think that the other one is lying about what happened?

Koshi avoid lying by not talking about things and not explaining himself.

So no he hasn't reeeeeally lied yet. Technically.


You've mentioned that koshi has lied multiple times. Why call him a liar if that isn't the case?
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 08 2013 15:43 GMT
#711
On August 08 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hail to the King Lord! I am back!

One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.


Then there is our house. To protect the identities of our housemates let´s call them FT, NM8 and RI. I PM'd everyone at the start of the game saying i am running for the house lord. I also asked people some questions, mainly about if they thought we should reveal our house members or not.

FT answered me first telling he was gonna run for the lord too, saying he would be willing to vote for me though if consolidation was needed, and answering my question. He wanted to know what thread thought about the "revealing housemates" question before giving an answer. Bullshit answer. That´s really bad, he does not have an opinion on his own. Note that the motive behind the question was the following; It was possible that mafia did not have their shit together at that point of the game. If town benefits (which we will, the real question is how much) from the reveal, mafia needs to deal with this shit somehow. Having an opinion (whatever that is) should not be a problem if you are town. Seems fishy.

FT then puts up his own campaign and apparently sent that to everyone. I asked people what they did think about his campaign. This is when RI answers me. He tells me he´s not gonna run for the house lord title because he had a long break and is not comfortable leading. FT´s campaign seems fishy to him because FT feels noncommittal in his campaign. I notived the same thing, although i felt more like FT was trying to sound confident (something he totally lacked in his other PM´s with me) but he really wasn´t confident. He was leaving himself multiple outs like thet he is gonna use our house´s vote on whoever the majority of our house decides on. That´s bullshit. RI says he´s okay with voting me.

NM8 also answers me. Says he´s played on another forum for some years. He is okay with voting for me, and he actually gives reasons why he want´s to elect me. Transparency, activity, when transparent harder to fake if mafia etc. Sounds pretty townish thinking to me.

I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.

FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.
RI seems okay.
NM8 town.

I would like to hear what you guys talked with each other. I am under the assumption that everyone in our house has been in contact with other people?



I do not know what to make of the Dandel/Koshi/Solstice/Chromatically stuff that´s been going on in thread. Other than that this is most likely town!Dandel. Koshi you said Dandel lied. Care to point out how (if you didn´t already when i am writing this post)?



The thing that most sticks out to me so far is this:

Onegu:

This is what Onegu had to say at the start of the game:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 15:14 Onegu wrote:
If it is random scum distrabution there maybe multiple houses who dont have scum, if scum can completely wipe a house out getting rid of a vote, that is very helpful for scum and something we should avoid if possible.

Onegu clearly thinks it not beneficial to tell the thread who is in what house.

When yamato exposes their house´s member he follows up with this:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 17:07 Onegu wrote:
Im not. Why do you think I am. Eventually everyone will have to give out reads it is mafia. With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you, the first being vote for me Im the best choice as I have the most xp. After out our house I have moved you to null/ town while you outing our house gives scum info, no reason for you as scum to give out the info because scum would already have it.

That is a contradiction. Outing your house members is first anti-town, but when yamato does it he gets a townread because of that.

Onegu, explain, because the explanation you gave is really bad.


No its not why would scum need to post his house in thread he could just keep in scum qt. Posting it in actual thread is not pro town, but not pro scum either.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:46 GMT
#712
On August 09 2013 00:42 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:39 Chromatically wrote:
DI and Koshi, do either of you think that the other one is lying about what happened?

Koshi avoid lying by not talking about things and not explaining himself.

So no he hasn't reeeeeally lied yet. Technically.


You've mentioned that koshi has lied multiple times. Why call him a liar if that isn't the case?

small lies.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Oberyn
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom508 Posts
August 08 2013 15:48 GMT
#713
On August 09 2013 00:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:42 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:39 Chromatically wrote:
DI and Koshi, do either of you think that the other one is lying about what happened?

Koshi avoid lying by not talking about things and not explaining himself.

So no he hasn't reeeeeally lied yet. Technically.


You've mentioned that koshi has lied multiple times. Why call him a liar if that isn't the case?

small lies.


Based on this new information from Chrom would you rather lynch sol or koshi?
Oberyn was ever the viper. Deadly, dangerous, unpredictable. No man dared tread on him.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 08 2013 15:48 GMT
#714
On August 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:14 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:09 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?

Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town..


He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion.

he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter"


I find not sharing an opinion on the Dandel/koshi situation weak.

So it wasn´t my thoughts about Onegu that was weak after all? Why the sudden change of mind?
If a player thinks an action is anti-town, they can´t possibly give someone town credit from it. You said that yourself.

If you havn´t noticed i am following the Koshi/DI situation. I think DI is town. I am not sure about Koshi, but there is no point in everyone spamming questions to him in thread. what makes you think i am not trying to get more information on that matter? Why should i call Koshi town or mafia if i do not know what that rant with DI makes him?


Its possible town is helping scum by doing something illogical. I can see town motivation for giving out house lists, even though I think it is anti town, there is no scum motivation for posting the list.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 08 2013 15:49 GMT
#715
On August 09 2013 00:43 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hail to the King Lord! I am back!

One thing that caught my eye was the Oats / yamato show. Oatsmaster, i think your argument about not revealing your house members is bad and i don´t see a reason for you to call yamato out on it. It can easily be explained why revealing your house members and talking about them is beneficial for town. I´ll use your house as an example; You say you have townreads on all the dudes in your house. You are not willing to reveal them. What gives? Do you expect us all to take that as face value? The game has been going on for another 24 hours, and the only way to justify your reads from N0 is to talk about the reasons behind them. You can´t just come in and say "my house is cool, all town", because it stinks. Maybe you are right, but you can´t convince us of you being right with that. A good way for 1 or more mafians to perfectly hide is JUST the behaviour you are showing us.


Then there is our house. To protect the identities of our housemates let´s call them FT, NM8 and RI. I PM'd everyone at the start of the game saying i am running for the house lord. I also asked people some questions, mainly about if they thought we should reveal our house members or not.

FT answered me first telling he was gonna run for the lord too, saying he would be willing to vote for me though if consolidation was needed, and answering my question. He wanted to know what thread thought about the "revealing housemates" question before giving an answer. Bullshit answer. That´s really bad, he does not have an opinion on his own. Note that the motive behind the question was the following; It was possible that mafia did not have their shit together at that point of the game. If town benefits (which we will, the real question is how much) from the reveal, mafia needs to deal with this shit somehow. Having an opinion (whatever that is) should not be a problem if you are town. Seems fishy.

FT then puts up his own campaign and apparently sent that to everyone. I asked people what they did think about his campaign. This is when RI answers me. He tells me he´s not gonna run for the house lord title because he had a long break and is not comfortable leading. FT´s campaign seems fishy to him because FT feels noncommittal in his campaign. I notived the same thing, although i felt more like FT was trying to sound confident (something he totally lacked in his other PM´s with me) but he really wasn´t confident. He was leaving himself multiple outs like thet he is gonna use our house´s vote on whoever the majority of our house decides on. That´s bullshit. RI says he´s okay with voting me.

NM8 also answers me. Says he´s played on another forum for some years. He is okay with voting for me, and he actually gives reasons why he want´s to elect me. Transparency, activity, when transparent harder to fake if mafia etc. Sounds pretty townish thinking to me.

I have to go after that, i tell people i am gonna vote for myself and why they should vote for me over FT. If they for some reason can´t consolidate on me, i tell them to elect FT, because having no lord at all is the worst thing that can happen.

FT i am leaning scum on for his wishy-washyness.
RI seems okay.
NM8 town.

I would like to hear what you guys talked with each other. I am under the assumption that everyone in our house has been in contact with other people?



I do not know what to make of the Dandel/Koshi/Solstice/Chromatically stuff that´s been going on in thread. Other than that this is most likely town!Dandel. Koshi you said Dandel lied. Care to point out how (if you didn´t already when i am writing this post)?



The thing that most sticks out to me so far is this:

Onegu:

This is what Onegu had to say at the start of the game:
On August 08 2013 15:14 Onegu wrote:
If it is random scum distrabution there maybe multiple houses who dont have scum, if scum can completely wipe a house out getting rid of a vote, that is very helpful for scum and something we should avoid if possible.

Onegu clearly thinks it not beneficial to tell the thread who is in what house.

When yamato exposes their house´s member he follows up with this:
On August 08 2013 17:07 Onegu wrote:
Im not. Why do you think I am. Eventually everyone will have to give out reads it is mafia. With my PMs I felt oberyn was town, jrkirby null, and null/scum on you as I only got 2 PMs from you, the first being vote for me Im the best choice as I have the most xp. After out our house I have moved you to null/ town while you outing our house gives scum info, no reason for you as scum to give out the info because scum would already have it.

That is a contradiction. Outing your house members is first anti-town, but when yamato does it he gets a townread because of that.

Onegu, explain, because the explanation you gave is really bad.


No its not why would scum need to post his house in thread he could just keep in scum qt. Posting it in actual thread is not pro town, but not pro scum either.

Fair enough. I am willing to buy that for now.
Did yamato originally want to vote you for the lord because you were the most experienced?
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:49 GMT
#716
On August 09 2013 00:48 Oberyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:42 Oberyn wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:39 Chromatically wrote:
DI and Koshi, do either of you think that the other one is lying about what happened?

Koshi avoid lying by not talking about things and not explaining himself.

So no he hasn't reeeeeally lied yet. Technically.


You've mentioned that koshi has lied multiple times. Why call him a liar if that isn't the case?

small lies.


Based on this new information from Chrom would you rather lynch sol or koshi?

considering that koshi has not yet even looked for scum, his defense was wholly underwhelming and he still didn't explain anything I've asked him to 235981729387 times now, I still prefer koshi actually.

But I am fine with solstice.
well i was "fine" with it before.
So I guess I should rather say i'm "happy" with it.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
August 08 2013 15:50 GMT
#717
so onegu all you've talked about so far is this "housemate claiming controversy" and questioning why chromatically is the only newbie-ish lord. can you talk about one of the following three things:
- ryan's read on "ft", given the facts in his post
- my read on clarity, given the facts in my post
- chromatically's read on solstice, given the facts in his post
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:51 GMT
#718
tbh I wouldn't mind if my whole house was nuked.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
August 08 2013 15:51 GMT
#719
the game house not my actual house though

put your bombs away again plz
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
August 08 2013 15:53 GMT
#720
On August 09 2013 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato, did you first vote for Onegu for the house lord because of experienced?



I dont think he voted for me, he Pmd me saying I should vote for him because he has the most experience.
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