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On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what?
I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said.
Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction.
So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though.
On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously.
It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you"
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quoted the wrong post, my bad.
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On August 09 2013 01:29 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:27 Chromatically wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. Why wouldn't scum act upset and try to get you lynched for this? If it happened in thread they might. But I think that the people pushing others n0 are likely town so far.
^ Isn't this what SnB did? Out you in thread and push you for it?
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so clarity's "reaction test" is possible, but unlikely, since it should have been obvious that scum would easily be able to fake anger.
one of the bigger problems for me is why he didn't try to find anything out about what my "plan" was before he intentionally ruined it.
Also why he first said it was just because he was curious about what the other person would think, and then later said he did it on purpose to test my reaction.
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On August 09 2013 01:36 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:27 Chromatically wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. Why wouldn't scum act upset and try to get you lynched for this? If it happened in thread they might. But I think that the people pushing others n0 are likely town so far. ^ Isn't this what SnB did? Out you in thread and push you for it?
No I mean, if I ruined someones plan in thread they might, if they're scum.
But since it's in pms during n0 I find it impossible to come from scum that he became suspicious of me in pms.
I think whatever "experiment" he would have had as scum, he wouldn't be too bothered if I did what I did since he's not invested in his experiment. If he's town he'd be more upset. Does that make more sense?
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On August 09 2013 01:40 strongandbig wrote:
so clarity's "reaction test" is possible, but unlikely, since it should have been obvious that scum would easily be able to fake anger.
one of the bigger problems for me is why he didn't try to find anything out about what my "plan" was before he intentionally ruined it.
Also why he first said it was just because he was curious about what the other person would think, and then later said he did it on purpose to test my reaction.
Because your reaction was ongoing.
Do you believe I'm scum? If so, and I've asked this before, please explain how what I've done so far is scum motivated.
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On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you"
You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens.
Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place?
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On August 09 2013 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. What was the point of intentionally ignore SnB questioning you about your lie, multiple times as he said? What kind of reaction you were hoping for? And how did REDACTED act? Does he come townie to you or what? I think he's town, yes. Although not for his reaction to what I said. Thought he was scum for a little bit but that changed. Also not because of his reaction. So yeah that part was kinda fruitless. Got a real strong townread on snb though. On August 09 2013 01:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 09 2013 01:22 Chromatically wrote:
What sort of reaction were you hoping for, clarity? If he were town he would be genuinely upset that his plan got ruined (he was, and early plans are crap anyway) If he were scum he would go "dang, you ruined my plan, oh well" Something along those lines. He did the former, obviously. It's not much of a plan if I just tell him straight away "oh I'm fishing for a reaction from you" You didn´t really answer me. If you are doing a reaction test you will know he will call you out for lying. You MUST have an answer to that (for reference see what i did in NWM N1) before it happens. Also when doing reaction tests in off thread comm games you basically gotta have a back up. Someone you tell what are you up to before you do it. Without that reaction tests are either stupid or scum. Mafia can after every mistake they make say "oh, it was just a reaction test", and everyone should believe them? So what was your intention during this whole thing that went on N0 in your place?
I guess? Didn't have one though. The lying part wasn't intentional, it was a mistake.
Me telling the other person snb's rolename was all I did to get a reaction.
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On August 09 2013 01:41 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:40 strongandbig wrote:
so clarity's "reaction test" is possible, but unlikely, since it should have been obvious that scum would easily be able to fake anger.
one of the bigger problems for me is why he didn't try to find anything out about what my "plan" was before he intentionally ruined it.
Also why he first said it was just because he was curious about what the other person would think, and then later said he did it on purpose to test my reaction. Because your reaction was ongoing. Do you believe I'm scum? If so, and I've asked this before, please explain how what I've done so far is scum motivated.
i talked about this a bit with REDACTED involved, what i thought was this:
- you could have been worried about my plan and just tried to ruin it
- you could have been trying to buddy-up to REDACTED by sharing information with him (like, i trust you you trust me let's be bros)
- you could have just slipped or not really thought it through before you did it, sometimes both town and scum do stupid things. if this is what happened though, and you were town, you wouldn't have told REDACTED that I was going to share the information anyway, and you wouldn't have told me that it was a ''reaction test".
btw, to the thread: in the interest of open discussion, it is true that REDACTED has a townread on clarity for reasons to do with something other than what we're talking about here. I wasn't convinced by the things that convinced REDACTED. At the moment I think clarity is scum, but I'm still evaluating that read and want to hear what other people think.
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Super shady play from some people. Worst "keeping their identities secret" nicknames ever. Clarity either made a stupid mistake or is scum.
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I'm happy with s0Lstice, more so than with Koshi. s0Lstice hasn't yet done anything besides undermining Dandel Ion during N0... And even lying according to Chrom... And not doing anything in the thread so far. Koshi has at least answered questions and explained his thoughts. It's not like he's been shown innocent, but out of these two, s0Lstice feels like the safer lynch.
gumshoe and grackaroni, where are you?
On August 09 2013 00:48 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 09 2013 00:14 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 00:10 iamperfection wrote:On August 09 2013 00:09 Oberyn wrote:On August 09 2013 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol Oberyn, did you even read my post?
Onegu is giving yamato town credit from an action he considers to be anti-town.. He justifies why the action is not anti-town based on the two scenarios I mentioned. It's probably not worth town cred, but there are better things to comment on in my opinion. he called two people scum entering the thread that isn't a "weak way to enter" I find not sharing an opinion on the Dandel/koshi situation weak. So it wasn´t my thoughts about Onegu that was weak after all? Why the sudden change of mind? If a player thinks an action is anti-town, they can´t possibly give someone town credit from it. You said that yourself. If you havn´t noticed i am following the Koshi/DI situation. I think DI is town. I am not sure about Koshi, but there is no point in everyone spamming questions to him in thread. what makes you think i am not trying to get more information on that matter? Why should i call Koshi town or mafia if i do not know what that rant with DI makes him? Its possible town is helping scum by doing something illogical. I can see town motivation for giving out house lists, even though I think it is anti town, there is no scum motivation for posting the list.
I fail to see how this makes Onegu scum. It might be a WIFOM play to post a House list as scum, but it's definitely nothing scummy in itself.
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Can these other reason be told in thread SnB?
If they somehow prove Clarity is town we are wasting time in this because this in my opinion does not 100% prove Clarity is scum. At least yet.
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I thought he told me he was telling everyone. He didn't.
I don't get how snb's conclusion is that I'm scum. Like, did I, as scum, understand you were only telling me and then decided to lie to REDACTED (lol), telling him you were telling everyone?
How does that help me as scum? Obviously it'll come back to you and I'll get called out for lying.
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On August 09 2013 01:52 Risen wrote:
Super shady play from some people. Worst "keeping their identities secret" nicknames ever. Clarity either made a stupid mistake or is scum.
Anything useful to say?
You managed to say absolutely nothing with your post you scum?
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On August 09 2013 01:52 Risen wrote:
Super shady play from some people. Worst "keeping their identities secret" nicknames ever. Clarity either made a stupid mistake or is scum.
lol risen. I thought it was obvious that was sarcasm.
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Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die.
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On August 09 2013 01:57 Risen wrote:
Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die.
Is Onegu one of them? That'd be pretty cool.
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By the way Clarity, you never responded to my response to your question (about the House member lists)?
snb, what makes Clarity scum from that PM event? What was the Mafia agenda? I can understand losing your trust in him, but it's not the same as being scum. Actually why would a scum want to lose your trust for no reason?
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On August 09 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:57 Risen wrote:
Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die. Is Onegu one of them? That'd be pretty cool.
Nope. I haven't gone into anyone's filter, though. I just sat on a toilet and read through the game since start of d1.
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On August 09 2013 02:04 Xatalos wrote:
By the way Clarity, you never responded to my response to your question (about the House member lists)?
snb, what makes Clarity scum from that PM event? What was the Mafia agenda? I can understand losing your trust in him, but it's not the same as being scum. Actually why would a scum want to lose your trust for no reason?
Well I agreed with your answer, actually.
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