EPTGoT Mafia: Lords and Liars - Page 31
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:17 iamperfection wrote: come on, both you jaberring at each other like jib jubs is definitely more an indication that your both more likely to be town. Scum like to hide not fight. What do you make of grackaroni's thread contributions so far, by the way? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
1) say he doesnt want lord, sit back at lets people argue 2) people argue 3) he tries to capitalize and go for lord once that's going on 4) scummy plans foiled by Dandel The Ion who had to beat sol's face in repeatedly just to get consolidation 5) mad cuz plans foiled by sexy dandel | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:20 iamperfection wrote: I dont understand why you would cry like a baby about that. Who cares how we figure out peoples alignment. Your pettiness about this subject shows to me that you dont seem that interested in solving the game. I just summarized what happened last 6 hours and gave my conclusion on that? What more can I do? I am actually trying to play serious and solve this game... This is me being 100% town. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:21 iamperfection wrote: chrom i want you to describe to me what went down in the thread. joke's on you he's afk. just pm him tho | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Allow me to present to you all a bottle of our finest Dornish wine as a sign of good faith. I've even prepared a special blend as a gift to the Lord of Highgarden. Similar to a game of resistance, pulling off a strong day one can spiral the game out of control. If a group of Lords is able to pull off a successful lynch, then they should continue to be elected. Everyone doesn't deserve a turn as Lord. It should go to the most town player, even if they aren't necessarily the most experienced. I believe that the Lord kp can be distinguished from the mafia kp based on the fact that the Lord kp is sent in instantly. We can use our 1-shot HP check ability by checking a target before and after the shot to confirm that the Lord is not lying. We can also use the 1-shot HP check before and after mafia night hits to try to determine who was targeted by the mafia kp and survived. I suggest that if the HP check is used, the Lord share it with 1-2 of their strongest town reads to try to keep the information in a town circle, rather than making easier for the mafia team to pick off players. I'm assuming they have no idea how many kp it's going to take to eliminate a player, so a Lord who uses their 1-shot ability early in day one is going to be suspicious. Lords can also coordinate kp to focus on 1-2 targets that we want to flip. If we use it as a double lynch of sorts, it removes the power from the individuals and places it in the town's hands. It is much more useful for us to have scummy players flip, rather than distribute the kp among multiple targets. With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. As the identities of the individuals of my house have been revealed, I might as well report what I have found so far. Onegu has been the most willing to discuss things via pm so far. We was willing to vote for me before we even spoke, but I have no issue with that. The only thing I found weird was that he suggested we use our HP check right away, which doesn't seem to really benefit town and would provide information to the mafia team about how they should use their kp. jrkirby seemed pleasant enough, but we really didn't take about much of importance. yamato has come off the first in pms from n0. He wanted to be elected Lord on the basis of experience, but he was very reserved in PMs. Any generic questions that I sent his way to get the conversation going he ignored and called them unimportant. I had thought I caught yamato and jrkirby in a scum slip when kirby said he had sent yamato a few pms, while yamato said he didn't receive any, but it appears that jrkirby had been sending them to yamato, rather than yamato77. Dandel Ion finding himself unable to get elected seems like the most interesting part of the game so far. Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? I'm disappointed I haven't received a PM from one of my fellow Lords. I'll be getting in touch with you shortly. I promise, I don't bite...most of the time. ~ Lord Oberyn of House Martell ~ | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:23 Koshi wrote: I just summarized what happened last 6 hours and gave my conclusion on that? What more can I do? I am actually trying to play serious and solve this game... This is me being 100% town. point me to where this happened. | ||
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Vivax
22297 Posts
First post: You speak of the possibility of an assassin type of role. On August 08 2013 14:46 johnnywup wrote: why would he do that? that seems pretty anti-town to do. If there's a scum/3p goal to kill a single house (think of Robert Baratheon wanting to kill every last Targaryen) then this would make their job infinitely easier if they can figure out the house. I now realize that being elected Lord of a house can be a disadvantage as well as an advantage. It reveals what house you are. I thought that that would be anonymous but it looks like its otherwise. We want to give scum as little information as possible. I made the mistake in Night 0 of revealing my name, without realizing that there may be an assassin type of role. As long as there's no major disagreements within your house I think that it might be the best course of action to elect the same lord for every night if possible. Last post: Now you think it only matters to know who is in each house, which is something different than knowing each players' name, as if it didn't matter any more if there's an assassin or not. On August 08 2013 16:15 johnnywup wrote: Actually, since Scum is randomly distributed it's likely that they do already know who's in every house. There's 24 players so around 5 people are mafia. It's likely that there's one in each house except maybe one or two. Which means they do probably know who's in what house. I feel like an idiot. Additionally, you spend a lot of time talking about all this stuff, but also say this: and we have 2/6 houses completely revealed to everyone. That's enough to discuss for a while in terms of house politics. Can we please stop now? which isn't consistent with the fact that you don't bring forward something to talk about instead. Is there anything specific you want to talk about that isn't house politics, since you didn't want it to be discussed any more?Why not include it immediately into your posts? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
First I tried to create a good atmosphere to find scum, I said that we should discuss the members of the houses instead of being afraid of it. Then I pointed out Oats shitting up this thread. Then I prevented you for framing me and me getting lynched. Everything is good for town. What have you done? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:19 Dandel Ion wrote: because chrom was not an inconsistent passive-aggressive emo about it and actually tried to read other people at least A LITTLE not something you did so far. Koshi's line of thought seems plausible from a town perspective. It's hard to say without seeing the PM's, but I don't see the overflowing scumminess that you see, Dandel Ion. How was Koshi inconsistent there? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9645 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:23 Xatalos wrote: What do you make of grackaroni's thread contributions so far, by the way? i would say he hasn't done anything alignment indicative yet in the thread | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler + but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows. tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through. chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house. On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? Because koshi is scummier. sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] ) He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:27 Koshi wrote: First I tried to create a good atmosphere to find scum, I said that we should discuss the members of the houses instead of being afraid of it. Then I pointed out Oats shitting up this thread. Then I prevented you for framing me and me getting lynched. Everything is good for town. What have you done? null blergh, null blergh, null blergh. Preempting a read you knew was coming just so your position looked better.... null at best. town was nothing about this. I'm actually looking for scum. Oh hey sick good idea! You have not looked for scum. How will you find scum if you don't look for scum? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote: He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure. And how are you aware for what he said in PMs you couldn't have possibly been involved in? Did one of your other house members come to you and inform you that he was misrepresenting your townplay? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:34 Oberyn wrote: And how are you aware for what he said in PMs you couldn't have possibly been involved in? Did one of your other house members come to you and inform you that he was misrepresenting your townplay? Koshi apparantly believed sol without question when he told him that and he told me as much, yes. Chrom also said that sol tried to make himself sound better and me worse. So yeah. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though. The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much. Koshi still better lynch tho. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote: With only 25% of the players controlling a vote or kp, we need to find a way to make the non-Lords accountable for their actions. I suggest that each player pm their Lord their preferred lynch target and their preferred kp target. These should then be posted in the thread either at the end of day one or the beginning of day two so we have a better idea where everyone stands. Something we have to watch out for is a mafia bus where a non-Lord pushes a scum buddy without consequence because they have no vote. We have to keep in mind the difference in ones play as a Lord and non-Lord. That's a major problem. Scum would have zero difficulty faking their "votes" since they didn't matter at all. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18264 Posts
Lets assume DI is an upstanding Baratheon, and not Blackfyre scum. The only reason Koshi would make a big deal over not voting for DI, inventing nonsensical reasons for voting for s0lstice is if they are both Blackfyre sympathisers. If Koshi is a secret plotting rebel, but s0lstice isn't, then it's possible Koshi would make a stink, but it seems to serve no real purpose (unless the Blackfyres are irrationally afraid of DI). If s0lstice is a secret plotting rebel, then he just duped Koshi. I guess this is plausible, but the main suspect here seems to be koshi, not s0lstice. So what exactly is koshi's motivation for this debacle, unless s0lstice is a filthy Blackfyre rebellion together with him. So... what is more likely, DI: they are both scum, or you're all three loyal to the realm, but confused about each other? I am assuming Chromatically is an unwitting bystander, because that's what this all seems like from over here. If he was more involved, please tell us about his role in this. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour. A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though. The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much. Koshi still better lynch tho. ^ to clarify this part happened before i even said anything at all because i was asleep start of the game. so all his cute little excuses he tries to cling to dont count because he didn't have them by then. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On August 08 2013 22:37 Dandel Ion wrote: Thing is there's a small chance sol just has some serious delusions of grandour. A bit more likely he's just scum with koshi though. The way koshi went about saying he's voting sol over me without explaining it or listening to my reasons also suggests as much. Koshi still better lynch tho. Could you explain how Koshi was inconsistent in your PM conversations? | ||
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