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On August 13 2013 01:09 Onegu wrote: Can we shoot Grack tonight he has info it shouldnt be possible for him to have. Do we have confirmation yet that no one of the lords passed him that information? | ||
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On August 13 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think iamp said he didn´t. Who else could it have been? Oberyn would have had to be involved in the PM chain for it to reach Grack. Brb later | ||
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I think Risen brought up good points against him actually. Remember D1, he was more or less absent in the thread. His biggest peak in activity came up before the yammo lynch. Think about it. Onegu (fake-)claimed 1-shot-medic and Oats was unlimited medic. Sharrant claimed 1-shot-cop, allowing him to stay safe from being counterclaimed by a possible "permacop". I also want to point out some conclusions on him that aren't good reasons to assume he's town, Solstice said: sharrant -- he has done one thing I really like, and that is provide some insight into kush when we had literally nothing else to go off of. sharing this info I view as really pro-town as scum he coulda just kept his mouth shut and enjoyed him getting vigged without interfering in the least. This is an awful argument, defend a townie, defend a scumbuddy. It always gives scum something to talk about, and it doesn't hurt nor particularly benefit the target. What I find particularly concerning is that s0lstice is arguing from a point of view of someone thinking (or knowing) that kush is town, and uses that association to give Sharrant a townread, cause he possibly saved Kush from getting vigged? At the very least this is a very lacking reason to give somebody a townread. On August 14 2013 17:42 johnnywup wrote: Sorry my Internets being really dumb. mocsta, i had a post that I was going to post about why I thought risen/Koshi is scum, but it boils down to this: Sharrant has a good case on Koshi, I'll let him post it himself. Risen is trying to lynch the guy that gave us scum for free. It seems unlikely to be a bus to me because Yamato wasn't even really in the limelight and no one would give their scum buddy away when they're not even being scrutinized (I think..I've never played as scum). Like, sharrant is the one person who actually gave us scum on a platter, and risen wants to lynch him. What? And if any of you want to point out me agreeing with risens case, yes I changed my mind because I actually thought about it more and I liked it less and less. I'm pretty convinced sharrant is town. Disagree that first action would be to go to qt. what would that accomplish at all? If anything the fact he wasn't mod killed makes me think he's more likely scum because mods would be less likely to modkill scum. I know that's not a case but it's something to maybe consider. -> + Show Spoiler [Nope] + On August 10 2013 05:30 Acrofales wrote: Yamato: open his filter. There is nothing there. Would lynch. On August 10 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote: Of those available I endorse both a yammo and a johnnywup lynch. Oberyn's points from his pm traffic seem very strong and so far I don't recall yammo fighting back to those properly, which is not townie from someone I would expect to be more headstrong. Johnny is scummy for reasons that I hopefully clarified for everyone. On August 10 2013 12:16 s0Lstice wrote: scum [red]yamato[red] -- I see no interest in solving the game. In his few appearances, instead of actually maximizing his use of time, he has ranted and argued, in an effort to do...what exactly? There is no way as town he comes into the thread like that and expects to sway a lynch onto s&b. His behavior and attitude do not match reality. Also don't like how he was apparently a vegetable in n0 PMs. Scum. Kill. On August 11 2013 14:46 iamperfection wrote: because yamato bugged me more than acro On August 11 2013 14:56 Sharrant wrote: Pretty sure Yamato should be today's lynch. Iamp, Acrofales will PM you why when he's here, and you and the rest of the lords can get to lynching him. That being said, it reinforces my opinion that johnnywup is scum. He bases his townread on things that aren't even correct. That suggests to me that he's trying to find reason to show that he's correct, not that those are the reasons for why he thinks he's correct, cause had he looked at the facts properly, he would know he isn't. I'd expect someone to at least lean more scummy on people they didn't read properly, cause there's always the incertainty that someone could be scum. This is absent in johnny. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Getting back to Sharrant. On August 13 2013 12:21 Sharrant wrote: @risen Your paranoia is unwarranted and kind of hilarious. This seems like something you could get worked up about as town though. However my highlight of your case is easily (paraphrasing here): "my first reason for wanting to lynch sharrant is the same reasoning I had for lynching that townie. But this time it's right!" If you want to believe I'm mafia, you have to A) assume I started putting pressure on my scum buddy in post number one. B) assume kush is mafia and I defended him to start the game. Or: B) 2. Assume that I (as mafia) hard defended an easy mislynch of kush who had basically just thrown away a game that town had won and that I wouldn't want to lynch him on that reason alone. C) assume I continued to bring up yamato twice when un pressured. D) fake claim a cop check on yamato E) tried to not tell the thread about the cop check. F) decided not to take the time to gain town cred by waving my dick in his face when he came back to the thread. I think that's all there is to say about that, unless someone has some questions A) He didn't. Oatsmaster and Yamato's fight earlier was also cookie cutter from the last game I was in with them, however a few things stuck out to me as different about both of them in this case. I will be starting to read through their exchange again. Does anyone else have specific things they think I should read or that they want opinions on? He asked if we have questions to him, said he would comment on the exchange, but he never did. He went in depth about his read on Acrofales when I asked him about it, that's about it until the moment yamato gains heat. B) Win win for mafia. Kush at endgame is what they want, and he could still be scum. C) Nope, already pressured. D) Yeah, scum do that too. E) Two options here: Sharrant and acro are scum, or Acro is at least town (Else that night scum would have rbd Sharrant) but only if Sharrant is also town. Null if Sharrant is scum. I claimed my role to Acro last night (I'm a one shot alignment cop). I asked him who I should target with it, he said Kush and Yamato. Both players I had in mind originally. In case he was mafia I lied and said I would target Kush. He seems to have a double standard, doesn't explain how it's suspicious to him if I talk about my scumreads with my house members, doesn't consider that it was mainly during the night. He didn't even process that information, he's just trying to throw some shit now that I'm being considered for lynching. Vivax never openly expressed his thoughts on Yamato (If I'm recalling correctly), but did so in PMs, this is suspicious to me. F) It would have been scummy from you to start acting all serious in front of a guy who claimed scum openly. But thanks for doing nothing, very townie. I suppose you were around while yammo was spamming his trash? | ||
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I think snb might actually be town because I had this exact same thought (although less fleshed out) just a bit earlier. Risen's first post was so bad and yet so much effort was put in it. After that... Almost nothing. No follow-up to his first post or anything. No pushing his reads. There's a clear difference between the effort in his first post and everything after that. Give me an updated bullet list of your points against him please, there's much more to go with than just the quantity of his posts in the beginning. While you're at it, give me a reason for me being scum that hasn't to do with activity, cause that's probably the reason 99 % in here have for thinking I'm scum. You're just skating by and targeting popular lynch targets, the latest case you wrote was on jkirby, and that was upon Acrofales' request. | ||
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Comments on Sharrant please. I also want to add that Sharrant's roleblock claim should be treated as null. If he's scum he will know that it would look odd if a claimed cop doesn't get roleblocked. | ||
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On August 14 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote: 1) Nope, I am not antagonizing him. jrkirby his posting was obvious scum and the fact that Mocsta is a firm believer that jrkirby his posting was town is actually the prove that Mocsta is scum. 2) Risen his case on Sharrant was already perfect. The way how Sharrant entered the thread after Acro revealed him is enough. If Mocsta is town he will obviously believe that his predecessor was town. Is he scum cause he thinks that his predecessor isn't scum? The fuck? | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:01 Onegu wrote: Guys go read bluelightz mafia and jrkirbys filter, it is almost the exact same play he was town. I buy the sharrant claim for now. SnB needs to come back he made a few good posts but it was after he started getting heat, and now he has dissapeared again. Will filter dive a ew people after my kids sleep. What makes you think Sharrant is town? | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:13 Sharrant wrote: How certain are you that I'm scum, vivax? I think that your preference for popular lynch targets and certain defenses from people I'm not enthusiastic about, coupled with you using ~10 times the amount of text to give townreads to people compared to the amount for your scumreads points to you being scum. You prefer spending more time effort talking about things that aren't analysis of players in an effort to discern their alignment. Yamato's push being the sole exception. Do you think johnnywup's and s0lstice's reasons for thinking you're town seem credible? At the very least it should make you suspicious that people read you as town that easily in a game where you play rather differently to how I've seen you play in past town games, where you rather tried to cover as many players and topics as possible in your posts. | ||
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On August 13 2013 09:20 kushm4sta wrote: kush scumreads 1.0 (probably all wrong) yamato xatalos sharrant On August 14 2013 23:27 kushm4sta wrote: Acro I gave you reasons in pm. For thinking sharrant might be scum. I changed my mind because his claim didn't seem scummy you said. Johnny I thought was scummy because of his first post. Didn't make it any further in his filter lol. Yes I have flip flopped. This is a huge town tell from me. I can't believe you shot me bro. My Shitty scumreads Johnny Acro Kush can you explain what happened in between these? | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:36 Xatalos wrote: You're clearly not reading very closely. That was just my second post against Risen, with almost the same content as the first one. I had more after that, like his contradictory statements about his scumreads on me and DI (and also his push for Sharrant didn't feel right, nor his faulty logic with his original accusations and how he never followed up on them). iamperfection initially got me suspicious of you. Here's a summary of his opinions (from the last will post): "Vivax- so i reread what he posted after i told him i think he is scum. Fucker still has not had a single strong push the entire game. vivax should be leading the town or fighting me if im wrong about sompething he simply does not care what is going on and isnt trying to catch scum. He does this because he is scum" Basically, lack of genuine effort, pushing, involvement... Not just lack of activity. Lynchworthy for sure. After some PM'ing with Clarity I'm not as confident in Risen being scum anymore. He's generally crazy and it's hard to distinguish between crazy town and crazy scum. Maybe his faulty logic is explained by his general lack of logical thinking. For now it might be a better idea to lynch you, s0Lstice, snb or Mocsta (unless he keeps up his clear effort, which isn't very easy to do as scum). Effort, pushing, involvement. You mention things that aren't very empiric, so to say. You don't show if I'm pushing scum agenda, you don't quote particular posts, you say it's not activity, but you don't tell how you measure the three attributes you think make me scum when they are usually correlated to activity. The case on me is bullshit, I'm town, and I have yet to see a case with a clear line of thought that doesn't use activity as argument. I invite you to make one based on the content of my posts, and I'll dunk it, and you afterwards if you fuck up. I don't see what you mean with contradictory statements from Risen. You posted that he was wrong about you and Dandel, afterwards you posted this: On August 09 2013 21:21 Xatalos wrote: I agree that Risen is quite likely town (unfortunately, one might also say). So I wonder now, why do you mention something that is supposed to make him scum when in the past it wasn't reason enough and you gave him a townread in spite of what you call a contradiction now. | ||
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On August 15 2013 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax comment on my case on Mocsta please. I don't think he's scum. Your case looks like a collection of shit you disagree with, not reasoning for him being scum. Other points you mention are "he never explains why x", have you tried asking him first? Either way, I wouldn't lynch him today before giving him the chance to post more, he can be a great thread driver. + Show Spoiler + On August 14 2013 23:28 Koshi wrote: Is he town because he thinks his predecessor is town? The fuck? So Mocsta spends a shitton of time reading this entire thread to analyse all the players. 1)He doesn't comment on jrkirby at all. 2)The latest post of Mocsta even suggest that he didn't even have read his predecessor his filter. He just read it for the first time and "doesn"t understand what the commotion is all about". Question back to you! If you replace into a game and you have read 130 pages, read all filters and spent a lot of time making a giant list with your current reads in the game. How big is the chance that you have read your predecessor his filter/posts as well? Mocsta reacted like shit on my accusations towards jkirby and is now lying to protect his ass. Seriously. It's obvious. Idem. On August 14 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote: 1. Main thing sharrant still hasn't answered IMO is why he claimed to acro without worrying that he would get killed. He said he lied about his target in case acro was scum, so it can't be because he had such a strong town read on acro that he was willing to risk his whole blue role on it. 2. Vivax misstating the case against him. When I get to my computer I'll explain or maybe copy some pms I sent to clarity and oats. 3. Risen! Kill with fire. Just cause he had one food point on sharrant doesn't make him town, read my first case on him for the reasons why his filter makes him scum. @onegu fuck you how have I disappeared. It's been night phase when we were not allowed to post. Derplord. @vivax read the thread koshis argument is that when mocsta calls koshi scum for attacking jrkirby's filter, it's a scummy chainsaw defense because mocsta should be able to see how onjectively scummy jrkirby's filter looks regardless of what mocsta/jrkirby's actual alignment is. And you think Koshi's argument is good? If so, what's your opinion on lynching him? I don't know what you want to achieve tbh. Do you want Mocsta to answer for the posts of jkirby?Do you want him to admit that his slot is scummy? That's not the way to get alignment indicative information. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ I think Sharrant claimed that he can PM 2 people additionally somewhere, don't recall where I saw it though. Can anyone confirm that they have been in contact with Sharrant without being in the same house? | ||
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Risen, + Show Spoiler + On August 15 2013 01:44 Risen wrote: Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.... Sharrant has... a one shot alignment check, a one shot hp check, and two PMs? Why wouldn't it remain at one if this was a real role? Outside of role speculation which isn't really conclusive ever, have you people looked at this claim?!?! Is this real life? How is this not the lynch for today? And holy crapshoot in a barrel filled with chickens and sausage HOW IS HE LORD?!??! House Tyrell Kushm4sta johnnywup Sharrant Acrofales Of the four people in this house they chose the one who has two pages of filter in a game that's now on day 3 who told them he was going to be gone for a large portion?! ... ... ... Can you give me your current gut reads on johnny, Xata and s0l please? | ||
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On August 15 2013 01:53 Xatalos wrote: Well, it seems like I've underestimated your focus on relevant stuff. Although there are some things that don't feel good. For example this from iamperfection after D2 about you: "Asked some pointless questions to me wasting time and therefore posting without a point" Not sure if that means PMs or in thread. I can't seem to find this in thread now. Either way, not good. Then there was that huge spam about the role name thing D1. Pretty ridiculous and buried potentially useful posts. Also quite a lot of spam during D2 like "What's up, X?" or "What did you mean with this?". But as I said, I take back that you focused THAT much on useless stuff. More like there's a decent amount of useless, but more relevant posts than I thought. Did you even read Rayn's last town game? I thought he was mafia in obs qt, he's just like that. Him and his love for single malt, I suspect. He's lurky as fuck when he's scum, there's no fucking way he's scum in this game with his current activity. You're waaay more useless, you still didn't answer my question and prefer to post LOL and ROFL. Shouldn't you be some more interested into talking with your scumread? | ||
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On August 14 2013 23:59 strongandbig wrote: Anyway here's what I said to clarity about vivax, and it's what makes me think he's scum that has nothing to do with activity: also i feel like vivax's reads change a lot and he's not nearly as aggressive as usual when he's town. if you look at his reads, for the lynch/kp target he goes koshi->sharrant->koshi->yamato->yamato or johnnywup->koshi or me most of the time his reasons were switching were "it doesn't seem like i can convince lords to go for my scumread." That doesn't feel like vivax, he seems like the kind of person who rages when people don't listen to him rather than the kind of person who just says "okay moving on". You were in Sicilian, you should know from logs that I can be quite malleable. Just your first post was so bad that I never swayed from the opinion you were scum. This is a game where you don't have a voice unless lords listen to you. I posted my points on Koshi D1, Oberyn his on yammo. Lords preferred Onegu, then FT. I had no way of knowing what those guys were, except that Onegu claimed to be busy, hence I couldn't really speak up against their lynches either. Reads changing. That's not scummy unless you show it is. @ Chromatically Risen was referring to my post on Onegu when he claimed I was defending people iirc. | ||
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On August 15 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax can you answer me on Mocsta please? I don't want to lynch him today. Your case looks like shit. | ||
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On August 15 2013 02:14 Chromatically wrote: No, he specifically said "his town read on FT". Oh that's from PMs? Well, in thread he talked about a post of mine on Onegu, calling it a soft-defense. Chrom, you had s0lstice as scumread, shouldn't his defense of Sharrant I posted make you suspicious of him, and do you think it's likely that he bussed yammo D1 already? | ||
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Never seen scum roleblockers withhold their RB and let their teammates claim it? + Show Spoiler + I did it You have no way of knowing if the roleblock was fake. Explain why it's unlikely that they are, or why it shouldn't have been a JK. You should go with what's in the thread. Sharrant doesn't post the stuff he should post, if he was town, this is like my third or fourth game with him, and I know how he plays town, this isn't it. But keep thinking that scum never busses like that, that's what they want. | ||
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I'd also like to point out to the thread that Xatalos keeps ignoring his scumreads' questions. I'm starting to think that he might be very active scum. All evidence you need is the development of his scumread on Risen. He keeps saying that he's wrong with his reads. Then he gives him a townread. Later, when half the thread starts talking about lynching Risen, he uses Risens wrongness as argument for him being scum, when we can be sure that he already had processed it and still read him as town. Ggnore, scum making up shit. You could also keep thinking that activity=town. Go read Noir Mini I and be proven wrong. | ||
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On August 15 2013 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax why did you say i am lurky as mafia? Eduardo Nbobo | ||
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