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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 16:10 GMT
#3493
"Yo, mafia killed the cop who was trying to push people away from Malongo lynch D2 and let the cop who got Malongo lynched live".

MAKES SENSE!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 16:23 GMT
#3497
This is why exarezee is mafia:

exarezee claims a cop 40 minutes before a deadline to ensure a lynch on Malongo. The guy has never played with anyone of us, and definitely has no balls to fakeclaim a cop to ensure a lynch on Malongo. Another possibility is that, given N2 vayne kill mafia believes vayne is a cop, which they can´t believe if exarezee is town. exarezee buys town credit

N2 mafia kills vayne. It makes no sense unless mafia thinks vayne is a power role, which they can´t think unless they know one of the cop claims is fake. My claim is definitely not fake, and mafia can´t think XRZ´s claim is fake because he got mafia lynched. There is no way mafia assumes vayne is a power role unless XRZ is mafia. There is no way vayne is killed unless XRZ is mafia.

After N2 exarezee retracts from his claim and claims roleblocked. This is to justify him living over me later on. He can´t possibly justify himself living if i die otherwise than being green instead of blue.

I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:03 GMT
#3510
On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote:
You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason?

You cannot justify me being roleblocked and vayne being killed and no action on you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:06 GMT
#3514
On August 03 2013 02:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote:
You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason?


It still makes sense with a roleblock, scum just withholds it.

This also means that if xrz flips scum, oats is town.

Also if mafia has a roleblocker both of Oats/CJS are town, because scum do not have roleblocker + GF vs one cop.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:07 GMT
#3515
On August 03 2013 02:06 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote:
You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason?

You cannot justify me being roleblocked and vayne being killed and no action on you.


I sure can. I can claim you're scum pretty easily if i wanted to on day 3.

Yeah but you can´t unless you wanna get lynched after me. Now you are gonna get lynched and i live for another night. :D
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:14 GMT
#3519
exarezee explain your VT claim out of the blue on D3 start. Why not keep up a good guise you had if you are town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:19 GMT
#3521
On August 03 2013 02:16 exarezee wrote:
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On August 03 2013 02:12 hzflank wrote:
Another point against XRZ:

On D2 I was raving about how Malongo flipping town was just about the worst flip we could get. Heck, that was a big parto f my reason for voting FT when I preferred Stutters. Yet, half an hour before the deadline XRZ fake claimed a guilty check on Malongo. If he had been wrong an Mal had been town we would of been in an absolutely horrible position.

There was not a good reason to fake that guilty check unless he was very sure that Mal was scum. XRZ keeps saying that it was to avoid a nolynch, but we had enough people online to secure a lynch anyway. For example, there were 5 votes on Cota and Vayne and I would of switched our votes if needed. Or we could of gotten 7 on FT with Vayne.


you've been wrong all game. wrong about me too. It was to avoid a nolynch and get rid of one of my top 2 scumreads (koshi,malongo). I chose malongo because it had the added benefit of possibly protecting vayne if he were the actual cop.

You are the only person in this game who could have possibly thought vayne was blue. Do you see how the NK looks really bad on you?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:31 GMT
#3532
What are you talking about, i am confirmed town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:38 GMT
#3538
CJS and exarezee do you guys think i am confirmed town or not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:39 GMT
#3539
Same question to Clarity.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:39 GMT
#3540
A simple yes or no is enough.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 17:47 GMT
#3549
On August 03 2013 02:41 exarezee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CJS and exarezee do you guys think i am confirmed town or not?


no, you are not confirmed. You are cop unless there is no cop in the game in which you would therefore be scum. I thought the chance of you being cop were like 99%, but captain jack has said that its a possibility there's no cop in the game in this setup.

There is no other cop in the game, that´s damn sure. They would have counterclaimed us at last at the start of D3. You were roleblocked, remember? Your conclusion is that there might be a roleblocker in the game with nothing to roleblock?

On August 03 2013 02:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote:
There's a possibility but I think Rayn is most likely cop.
Rayn, please stop posting. You don't need to push lynches every single post. Your filter is almost 30 pages. It's ridiculous.

If you believe there is a roleblocker in the game then you must assume i am the cop. If you do not assume i am a cop and therefore scum you must also believe there is no roleblocker, in which case the scumteam for you is me/clarity/XRZ. Now why are you not voting for XRZ because every single scenario includes him being mafia?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:23 GMT
#3555
So your thought process is that mafia killed vayne, a person who had absolutely zero credibility to convince anyone in this game even when Malongo flipped red, just because he was on the right track or wanted to paint his targets red (i was also one of them, remember). They did kill vayne over 2 claimed cops and let me have a check on Oats because i would call that green check scum afterwards? You are not making very much sense here.

The only reason vayne was killed was because it was a blue snipe and XRZ is the only person who could possibly assume vayne is blue.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:24 GMT
#3556
On August 03 2013 03:20 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 02:43 hzflank wrote:
On August 03 2013 02:40 exarezee wrote:
On August 03 2013 02:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
"I'd rather we take a mislynch today than not lynch malongo" equals "I am 100% certain malongo is scum and will risk the entire game on it"?


worth the risk imo. town has little to no chance of winning if malongo were town. there would be the same suspicion and case on him every single day, the rest of the game. And you have one less townperson in your voting pool.


No town person who was actually trying to win the game would think it worth the risk. I was trying hard to win on D2 and I did not think we lose if we mislynched on FT. You had no right to potentially throw the entire game away for me and every other town player with a fake guilty check.

I am not moving my vote today.


This is a bit extreme hz. Not a logical argument like I've come to expect from you this game.
You genuinely seem upset at the thought of a townie doing this, to the point that you ignore the possibility altogether.
Myself, I am having doubts.


It is not extreme at all. If XRZ is telling the truth and Malongo flipped green we would have instantly lost the game because we would have lynched XRZ the following day under any circumstances. You don´t do that kind of shit as town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:31 GMT
#3561
Why do you guys think exarezee made and all in on D2 as town? If he was wrong he would have thrown the game immediately. Why do you guys think exarezee felt extremely offended and got mad when hzflank was thinking he was mafia on N2 as he was in fact fake claiming? Why do you guys think exarezee claimed he checked Oats at the start of D3 as he was fakeclaiming? Why do you guys think exarezee let his perfectly fine guise drop dead as town right after that? Why would he protect me only for one night and not more?

None of this stuff makes sense from town point of view.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:33 GMT
#3563
On August 03 2013 03:32 hzflank wrote:
CJS, can you see a likely scenario where FT is town?

There is a possibility where mafia has no roleblocker and CJS is a GF. If that´s the situation their guise will fall apart sooner or later.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:37 GMT
#3567
All i am saying is that if exarezee is town he just threw the game with his incredibly stupid D3 actions and we should lynch him for that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:39 GMT
#3569
Also, if exarezee flips town, that confirms Clarity, CJS, and Oatsmaster as town.
Clarity because scum have a roleblocker.
CJS and Oats because of scum not having a GF.

exarezee lynch is the best we can do today. Believe me guys.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:41 GMT
#3570
On August 03 2013 03:39 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
All i am saying is that if exarezee is town he just threw the game with his incredibly stupid D3 actions and we should lynch him for that.


I agree. But...

If we can say that the 100% only reason that scum-Exar would possibly do what he did if FT is also scum then we probably get better odds by lynching FT today instead of Exar, no?

If it is not possible that Exar is scum and FT is town, but the opposite is possible, then it makes more sense to lynch FT imo.

If exarezee was protecting his scumbuddy from getting lynched that dude he was protecting was CJS and not FT, as he himself pointed out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
August 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#3573
On August 03 2013 03:42 hzflank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 03 2013 03:39 hzflank wrote:
On August 03 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
All i am saying is that if exarezee is town he just threw the game with his incredibly stupid D3 actions and we should lynch him for that.


I agree. But...

If we can say that the 100% only reason that scum-Exar would possibly do what he did if FT is also scum then we probably get better odds by lynching FT today instead of Exar, no?

If it is not possible that Exar is scum and FT is town, but the opposite is possible, then it makes more sense to lynch FT imo.

If exarezee was protecting his scumbuddy from getting lynched that dude he was protecting was CJS and not FT, as he himself pointed out.


Well we do need to ask ourselves why Exar would of pulled that if he were scum.

Was killing Mal and risking himself worth saving the GF?

Because in that case mafia has no roleblocker and their only role is GF-Corazon. There is no reason to protect a roleblocker that does not exist.
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