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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Scum only need 1 mislynch to win but we have 3 people who are highly likely to be town Scum are not in as good of a position as it might initially seem. They have to use their next 2 Nks on Rayn and Cora (in either order) and that still leaves me as a Veteran who will be at the final MYLO who they cannot just nightkill! Scum either need a mislynch today or they need to rely on me being horribly wrong. Scum have to make a big play to get a mislynch today and/or do something to make me get it wrong in future. All of this sudden activity is not just a coincidence. Scum are currently rattled. Look for the people who are almost going all-in to secure a D4 mislynch. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 02 2013 10:54 Stutters695 wrote: Rayn just said Oats is town or GF yet there is no framer. Dude is scum. Oats has said that Tofu was town all game due to a town slip. Why is Oats now saying that Stutters is scum? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:47 Koshi wrote: I put my vote in rayn his hands. I know I am town, everything is better for town than me. I still think you are scum. I don't think we will eventually win this game unless I am wrong about FT or Oats. But with rayn wanting to check Oats I just don't believe it. I have said that I am not willing to lynch Stutters today. The Stutters lynch will not happen without me on board. If you are town and we lynch you then town loses. Why are you unwilling to got for a lynch on Oats? | ||
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justanothertownie
16317 Posts
The townslip: On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote: WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this? I really don't know why people give him towncred for this. If you read this post of xrz - is it really possible to think it is a scumlip? Maybe if you only read the first part but it would be so hilariously obvious and stupid that no person in their right mind could think this really is a scumslip. FT is very quick to call things scumslip btw. this isn't the only time he does it. I think he uses this "scumslips" to have a point against someone he can always relie on without having to explain it and without having to think about the rest of their play. That's exactly what he did all game long with the scumslip he claimed I did. In this case I think he saw something promising (a possible error/contradiction) and instantly wanted to call it a scumslip. Later he only backed off because he saw that you can't possibly understand it in any suspicious way. He then proceeds with a big wall of text accusing xrz but if you really look at it there is not much content at all. He just quotes loads of posts and gives a short comment on it. In fact for the most part he just summarizes what xrz has done and calls it scummy. Especially scummy to FT is xrzs suspicion towards him of course. Well that's not the worst doesn't make him scum necessarily. There is some discussion with xrz without much information to get out of. So I will skip this part. On July 28 2013 04:39 FirmTofu wrote: I'm null on JAT right now. He has me as a town read but a lot of his filter looks like he's trying to "fit in". Like he said himself, his filter isn't that big. I think if we get him to start positing more, it'll be easy to determine his alignment. No, I would not lynch him today Oats. Not unless you make a good case against him. This point has been brought up numerous times by now so I will keep it short. It seems like me thinking he is town leads to him thinking I am town. Weird logic - I will call it reverse OMGUS. He did that again later. He tried to make it sound reasonable in this case but his explanation was that I had many posts which justify my townread on him from a town point of view. I don't see those post to be honest. He takes look into Papers posts: On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: Filter Dive of Paperscraps: Obviously, I don't really like his read on exarezee. Null is the last thing I'd expect on someone like exarezee. He's posted a ton and there's a ton of information to dissect his role. By the point in the game that this post was made, everyone should have already been leaning one way or another on exarezee. His read on Oats is disturbing. I'm not sure what Oats did that constitutes that strong of a stance on him. Most of Ots' posts were one-liners that held little to no substance. Oats could be a possible scumbuddy of Paper, but I feel like that'd be too obvious. His reads on Koshi and Vayne are pretty awful. I can kind of see why he might think Vayne is town, but Koshi should be null or scum for every town person at that point that Paper made that post. WTF! He uses the fact that I ask Paper to explain this specific part of his post as a point against me in his case. Just wtf. On July 29 2013 05:39 FirmTofu wrote: Bolded relevant. I don't like this at all. Why would tunneling be a good thing to do? Paper is telling exarezee to vote him? What? Why would town do this? This is a decent post. He starts pushing a read and it looks like he is adapting based on new information (his read on hzflank has changed). I'm not entirely sure this post invalidates all of his scummy posting, but I can agree that he has been fairly transparent throughout the thread. Conclusion: I'm actually a little bit surprised that Paper has been this scummy. If you hadn't made me filter dive, I don't think I would have this read on him. I agree, Paperscraps is quite scummy all things considered. However, his posting does seem genuine. I think that if we give him another day, he'll be able to redeem himself. So, he changes his read about Paper because of Papers reads on xrz, oats and koshi (he attacks me later for exactly this) and because of one (not really bad) sentence in another post. Although there is a post he quotes which he actually likes. For the record he thought Papers was town before this post. I guess he just wanted a reason to hop on the wagon. He better doesn't attack anybody because of association votes: On July 29 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'm starting to warm on the Paperscraps lynch. I have a feeling that Paper/Malongo/Koshi is one possible scum team and exarezee/hzflank is part of another possible scum team. Lynching in one of these two groups of players would give us invaluable information about the other group. ##Unvote ##Vote: Paperscraps On July 29 2013 08:50 FirmTofu wrote: If paper flips green, I'm not sure what to think. I'm pretty sure that you and Malongo are town though. Sounds convenient to me if FT knew Paper would flip town. On July 29 2013 11:28 FirmTofu wrote: I don't know what do think of the whole rayn/vivax/koshi trifecta. Koshi is probably town though. Scum is probably some combination of JAT/hzflank/exarezee and possibly rayn. I highly doubt vivax and rayn are on the same team, but I can't decide which one is scum. Vivax's unvote looks like scum trying to cause a no lynch, but I highly doubt scum would want to draw so much attention to themselves unless they had a back-up plan. Vivax's filter also feels really town to me aside from the part where he votes me for finding him suspicious. Null rayne's play is consistent with his town meta. He's been all over the place, much like me, and switches his reads on the fly. I don't like his reads and I think they are scummy, but his behavior doesn't seem like something scum would pull. Null-slightly scum hzflank has been pressured by koshi and malongo quite a bit and has chosen to sit in the sidelines for the majority of this game. I'm going to filter dive him and see if there's something I missed. I'm currently looking at him very closely. Leaning scum exarezee had a very townie approach to the lynch and stayed with his reads the entire game. Although much of his early game posting was scummy, I think he has redeemed himself with his behavior somewhat. However, with the flip, I'm going to have to look at him in detail. I'm not willing to clear him yet because the flip does incriminate him a little bit. Null-slightly scum JAT had a very suspicious delurk timing today. I can't help but feel he's laughing his ass off while vote out a townie, only to pop into the thread as soon as night begins to make himself look townie. Scum He should think hz and xrz are scum based on his pre flip associations but he ist just leaning scum on them while I suddenly go from town to scum just because of the time I got back into the thead. Does not make sense. On July 30 2013 07:37 FirmTofu wrote: I'll be honest. I don't really understand Stutter's case on me. If someone could clarify what exactly he's getting at, that would be great. hzflank, I can get aboard a rayn lynch. His actions are extremely out of place. His reads are flying all over the place and don't any logical sense. It feels like he's trying to attack everyone a little bit to establish himself as abrasive and therefore town. I don't like it at all. I am leaning slightly scum on both JAT and stutters, especially after stutter's jumbled case on me. I'll have to filter dive to be sure, though. Yep, Stutters totes scum because he accuses Tofu. On July 30 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote: Malongo and Koshi are very closely linked. They've been buddying each other the whole game. On reads and just about everything else. They were trying to prevent the PS lynch by voting hzflank, someone they thought was a stronger scumread. This makes sense if they were both town, but not if they are both scum. Thus, a PS town flip exonerates them. Stutters is still scum to me. His actions during the flip are unforgivable and his case against me isn't even really a case at all. Defending scum Malongo and scum Koshi based on a lie! Koshi voted Paper without much problem. On July 30 2013 09:22 FirmTofu wrote: Wtf I did not expect Vivax to die. This is really unexpected. How anyone could be surprised by that is beyond me. I guess Tofu wasn't either. He then sees my "scumslip" and attacks me for it really hard. It will be his one and only point against me for a looong time. Rayn attacks him so Tofu thinks he is scum. Next OMGUS read. On July 31 2013 02:39 FirmTofu wrote: Totally agree. My point is that rayn is using this as a way to get people to think I'm scummy. I'm pointing out that I've done this plenty of games when I was town, so it is definitely NOT a scumtell. My question to you is, "Why is rayn deliberately misrepresenting me?" He then gives a huge ass post full of reads. Problem is all the scum reads are missing (because there was no time left, lol). Who the fuck makes a gigantic post explaining reads and all as a townie and only posts townreads? Or to be concrete who as a townie would waste all the time he got on townreads while completely ignoring the scum reads. I ask him to make his case against me - he doesn't until very recently. Defends scum malongo: On August 01 2013 02:16 FirmTofu wrote: I can policy lynch Malongo, but I don't think he's scum. I'd rather lynch people I find scummy. Something funny: On August 01 2013 02:58 FirmTofu wrote: Oh, Clarity, I forgot to answer this bit. Oats is town for the same reasons as you. He tunneled for a bit and then dropped off the case. I just forgot to post the post where he dropped off and started pursuing others. Personally, I think you are a bit more likely to flip town because you did what I would do. You pressured someone you thought was moderately scummy(me) and then backed off when you saw a decent defense and a "scumslip townslip". I would have expected scum to continue tunneling. Scum don't like admitting they were wrong. On August 01 2013 04:47 FirmTofu wrote: @JAT Most of my case on you is the scum slip you made. There are a few more posts that I didn't like, but ultimately it all hinges on the scum slip. If people aren't willing to accept the premise that it was indeed a scum slip, then my case is essentially useless. I was pretty burned out after I made the case on rayn so I'm procrastinating on yours. I was hoping people would be more eager to lynch rayn because of my case. Unfortunately, this town has gone full-retard while I was sleeping. On August 01 2013 04:50 FirmTofu wrote: I already do that numerous times. Try reading my filter. You even admitted that you made a mistake. Also he had no energy left to make a case on me. Sure. On August 01 2013 07:32 FirmTofu wrote: I'm pretty sure I can't because it's against the rules. I probably would, though. Haha, yeah... On August 01 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote: lol, it's going to be hilarious when I flip. I can't wait to see the look on rayn's face. This still makes no sense. Keep in mind he was dead certain rayn was scum. He wouldn't be surprised in this case. If I was Tofu I would start shouting scumslip scumslip because this post suggests he thinks rayn is town in reality. On August 01 2013 08:31 FirmTofu wrote: Let me break this down for you. You have been checked by a cop in XRZ and he has found you as[red]scum[/red. Care to defend yourself instead of being utterly fucking useless? This whole discussion just feels so like scum scolding inactive scum to me. Not a good point but it fucking does. Discussion with hz and rayn follows. This has been talked about much already. On August 03 2013 05:16 FirmTofu wrote: One last question. If there is a blue out there, not revealing his role, would it be in town's best interest to have him reveal? Consider all the possibilities. Hidden Doc/Cop/Vig/Vet Obviously, vig and vet are unlikely to be hidden, but I think a hidden doc or even a cop is still a possibility. What is this? Is he trying to get another blue (possible doc) to claim? On August 03 2013 08:26 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think Clarity is NULL if XRZ flips scum, but is possible scum if XRZ flips town. Aside from the potential roleblock fakeclaim, what dirt do you really have on Clarity? This makes no sense at all considering clarity claimed roleblock Day1. On August 03 2013 08:47 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, this is where I stand. If XRZ flips town: I think it's probably JAT, Stutters, rayn/Clarity/Koshi. rayn could be lying about the cop claim, but I'm deferring to hz's best judgement on this. I have to agree that no cop is pretty unlikely so until another claim comes up, rayn could still be town. If XRZ flips scum: I think it's probably CJS, JAT, Koshi, maybe Stutters. I already commented on this. It makes no sense to add rayn and clarity in the xrz = town scenario. He knows xrz is going to flip green and tries to get koshi out of line of fire. On August 05 2013 07:12 FirmTofu wrote: Alright I finally have some time. I find it odd that koshi is suddenly defending me so vehemently. On day 2 and 3, he was willing to lynch me, but now he wants me alive? If he was scum, he would recognize that I am the best alternative to a long on me. Why would scum koshi defend me? Hz, cjs, oats, and clarity are all town btw. Anyone tho thinks these ppl are scum has to pull out some crazy conspiracy theory to justify their position. Rayn is probably town. Like hz said, no cop is extremely unlikely. He's probably going to die tonight anyway, so there's no point discussing him right now. Of those who are left, JAT and stutters have to be mafia. There is no doubt in my mind about this. My vote will likely be on either of these two candidates for Day. Reverse OMGUS. He calls Koshi town because Koshi calls him town. On August 05 2013 09:31 FirmTofu wrote: Oh lol. I can see why they would leave a potential cop rayn alive, but I don't know why thy chose clarity over CJS and Oats, who are both practically universally confirmed town. I already commented on the rest of his filter not long ago. Especially on his desperate and really poor case on me. | ||
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
I'm drawing a line here: If you (talking to everyone) are town, you are going to vote to Koshi. If you do not, it's open season on your head(s). | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
geez guys. So all this discussion is pointless as no other lynch is gonna happen than Koshi. Pretty sad day phase. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 07 2013 04:30 hzflank wrote: I have said that I am not willing to lynch Stutters today. The Stutters lynch will not happen without me on board. If you are town and we lynch you then town loses. Why are you unwilling to got for a lynch on Oats? I am pretty sure he is town. But w.e. If we lose by lynching me or Oats. ##unvote ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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justanothertownie
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 07 2013 04:33 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: In my opinion Koshi is only digging a bigger hole for himself with his hz ramblings. hz is not going to get lynched today and his attack on hz just wreaks of desperation. I'm drawing a line here: If you (talking to everyone) are town, you are going to vote to Koshi. If you do not, it's open season on your head(s). ## unvote ##vote: Koshi It's over. I check back in 3 hours for 1 last time. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 07 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: hzflank you are being stupid too. There is no way we can lynch Oats today. So you are also ensuring we lose if Koshi is town? geez guys. So all this discussion is pointless as no other lynch is gonna happen than Koshi. Pretty sad day phase. Why not? I made a decent case against Oats and no one seems to be sure that he is town. The only person who would need to be convinced is Cora. In fact, we cannot move our votes off of Koshi to anyone unless Cora agrees. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
If you guys are feeling adventurous and feel like losing the game, go ahead and vote for Oats. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
You accused me a lot of confirmation bias on D3 but on D4 you have done the same yourself. We do need to to keep playing the game and trying to win it. What is happening now is town are throwing shit at each other again that should be saved for the end game. If you want to criticize me for trying to win the game then do it after the game ends. | ||
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justanothertownie
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IMCaptainJackSparrow
Bahamas303 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Stutters / Oats / FT, we need at least one of you. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 07 2013 04:47 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well you are saying your vote has been on Koshi but Rayn/Oats have changed their votes at least 5 times and it's scaring me haha Then I hope that you read everything that I have said about Oats. I have completely nailed him over the last 12 hours. You should either think that he is scum or that I am horribly wrong. | ||
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