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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:17 hzflank wrote: As long as it is productive. I dont want 3 pages of spam that gets in the way of people looking at productive scumhunting, which from my position is what it seems you have been doing. Ok so here is my game. I defended Paper because I believed he was town, while my vote was on him. I didn't believe you were town for reasons given. I defended FT because I believe he is town, while my vote was on him. Obviously I wanted to lynch Cora instead because at that point he was being stubborn about FT being town while I was not. I did not defend XRZ because I believed that you and rayn were town and I had a busy weekend. Him flipping town made me look at you and rayn once more. First rayn, (and I made cases) and now you (and read the shit I say, it fucking makes sense) some of it at least _____________________________________ The reasons why you say I am scum are almost all association cases. I have been pretty close to perfect town except for early day 2 and let's say the lists on day 1. Looks what happens if I get lynched and I flip town. It would look bad on me when 1) you flip town 2) FT flips scum But look how good I look when 1) you flip town 2) FT flips town The only thing you can actually hold over me is being wrong about you and trolling day 2. I did not push Paper, I did not push XRZ. I did scumhunt A LOT, I made cases on numerous people. (was wrong about vayne, and rayn for a while) I would look extremely good if: 1) you flip scum 2) FT flips town Then I am just going to blame rayn. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
Also don't forget the point that I made earlier about FT on D3. Firstly, FT should never be submissive to me like that because as I showed he thinks that I am not a good player. Secondly, he seemed to not know what was even going on in the game. I do not buy that FT is not reading the game. In that recent I Swear 2 game FT fake-claimed Traitor and won the game for town, right? That's a good move. How does a player who makes moves like that play the way FT did in this game on D3? | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
What do you think of my points against Oats? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: And for me Stutters is confirmed scum. You do realize I mix up what happens in games all the timeright? Iirc I accused BH of being scum in Les Mis due to WLIIA when it was BC or Bluelightz who was actually in it. Did something similar in YANMM and I'm sure a few others. My team in Basterd was AFK so much it made sense that I would call to shoot you. Regardless of that, the point still stands that I would have shot you this game n2(or at least RBed you) since there weren't circumstances like a looming mass claim which could have royally fucked me. Leaving you alive as a claimed cop would fuck me this game. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:33 hzflank wrote: Oh I agree. Plenty of things FT has done make him scum. FT has mostly been reactive also. For a guy that signs up to so many games he has been pretty inactive. Also don't forget the point that I made earlier about FT on D3. Firstly, FT should never be submissive to me like that because as I showed he thinks that I am not a good player. Secondly, he seemed to not know what was even going on in the game. I do not buy that FT is not reading the game. In that recent I Swear 2 game FT fake-claimed Traitor and won the game for town, right? That's a good move. How does a player who makes moves like that play the way FT did in this game on D3? Hz, I don't think you are not a good player. You are an excellent player. I just thought you made a few mistakes in our newbie game. My inactivity is not alignment indicative. I have been busy IRL. My inactivity spans all my games in a consistent fashion. I don't think I've been reactive at all. I've constantly been accusing people. First, XRZ. Then, JAT. Can you explain to me what exactly about my play makes you think I am playing reactively? | ||
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justanothertownie
16342 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:25 hzflank wrote: Well there have been a lot of developments recently so you must have something to say. What do you think of Oats? Oats could absolutely be mafia. He didn't give a shit all game long an just left aggressive comments here and there. Also he never votes with town. I would have called oats scum earlier but you guys said this play is his town meta and since I don't know oats I thought this might be true. Although this is not a good reason it makes also sense because if he is scum only one of FT/Stutters has to be mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:39 Stutters695 wrote: You do realize I mix up what happens in games all the timeright? Iirc I accused BH of being scum in Les Mis due to WLIIA when it was BC or Bluelightz who was actually in it. Did something similar in YANMM and I'm sure a few others. My team in Basterd was AFK so much it made sense that I would call to shoot you. Regardless of that, the point still stands that I would have shot you this game n2(or at least RBed you) since there weren't circumstances like a looming mass claim which could have royally fucked me. Leaving you alive as a claimed cop would fuck me this game. Yeha but the point is you didn´t want to shoot me in Basterd. And now you are saying you would ahve shot me here "because i was shot for a reason in Basterd N1". It makes no sense. Also why would leaving me alive as a claimed cop fuck you over? I have been calling you town for the most of the game, so explain how would leaving me alive fuck you over? | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:39 hzflank wrote: Okay Koshi, being productive means we need to look at who to lynch other than you and me. There are 3 scum, Rayn and Cora are likely town. What do you think of my points against Oats? I cannot bring myself to lynch anybody else than you tbh. Everything else is going to look bad anyway. You guys decide, if it is me, it is me, if it is somebody else it is that guy. I put my vote in rayn his hands. I know I am town, everything is better for town than me. I still think you are scum. I don't think we will eventually win this game unless I am wrong about FT or Oats. But with rayn wanting to check Oats I just don't believe it. I put all my money on hzflank/Stutters/JAT(/FT but very unlikely) But I might be wrong, and then you guys need to decide it. Shit like you claiming vet and 5 mins later Stutters saying "don't shoot hz" is just fucking ridiculous in my eyes. Decide w.e you want. If you are town, you can lynch whoever you want and I will add my vote. I really think you are scum hz. I am 100% certain. I can only hope you are town. It's like you thinking XRZ was town or you thinking Paper was town. We are ofc another day further but meh. I can't do better than this. I really 100% believe I am right about the scumteam. I cannot look at other shit anymore before todays lynch. And you wouldn't trust me anyway. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
This is obviously based on the knowledge that I know I am town. Mafia team is either: JAT/Stutters/Koshi OR JAT/Stutters/ and one of Oats or a Cora GF. Cora GF is highly unlikely, so we can reduce the second team to JAT/Stutters/Oats Because JAT and Stutters have to be scum, I am willing to lynch either of them. I will consolidate on a Koshi lynch if neither of the other lynches gather enough votes. Oats would be an extremely risky lynch so I would rather save that discussion for another day. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well vote for Stutters then Koshi? It does not look any worse for you. Yeah I will obviously. I just thought you guys would see what I saw about hz. ##unvote ##vote: Stutters | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Good job Koshi, there is only one correct play and that is to lynch you. | ||
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FirmTofu
United States1956 Posts
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:44 FirmTofu wrote: Hz, I don't think you are not a good player. You are an excellent player. I just thought you made a few mistakes in our newbie game. My inactivity is not alignment indicative. I have been busy IRL. My inactivity spans all my games in a consistent fashion. I don't think I've been reactive at all. I've constantly been accusing people. First, XRZ. Then, JAT. Can you explain to me what exactly about my play makes you think I am playing reactively? You were proactive D1 and the first half of D2. Since then you have mostly been happy with the status quo. Since Exar flipped, you have only really posted when I have aimed accusations at you. You thought Jat was scum and voted for him. You only made a case because I told you to. And since then you have not actually pushed JAT. You do not even seem to be trying to engage scum to solidify your reads on them. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:45 justanothertownie wrote: Oats could absolutely be mafia. He didn't give a shit all game long an just left aggressive comments here and there. Also he never votes with town. I would have called oats scum earlier but you guys said this play is his town meta and since I don't know oats I thought this might be true. Although this is not a good reason it makes also sense because if he is scum only one of FT/Stutters has to be mafia. But do you think my points against Oats were good or bad? If you are actually trying to win the game for scum then you should of read them. Especially since I started with the reason as to why Oats is not confirmed town. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:47 Koshi wrote: I cannot bring myself to lynch anybody else than you tbh. Everything else is going to look bad anyway. If you are town then you should be trying to win the game and not caring about what you look like when the game ends! Save the post game stuff for post game. You are using that as an excuse to not try to solve the game. | ||
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justanothertownie
16342 Posts
Let me finish my Tofu case which is in the making before I take a closer second look on oats, ok? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
hzflanks claim and the claim timing makes no sense from scum point of view. He is not necessarily to get lynched, nobody has been pushing his lynch. There were people who looked far worse than him. hzflank claims veteran. If there is another veteran in the game he will be either lynched or there is going to be an 1-1 trade. 50% of the people look better than him. If someone like Oats/Cora/Clarity did claim veteran he would have been instantly fucked for no real reason. There is no way he made the claim as mafia, whatever he thought his position as a lynch candidate was. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On August 07 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: So we are probably losing the game if Koshi and hz are both town. They will vote for each other at LYLO no matter what. hz looks far better than Koshi. Koshi is not willing to let go of hz. Good job Koshi, there is only one correct play and that is to lynch you. I don't understand why that is true? I just said that I will copy your vote? Obviously I will always vote somebody else than me. But that should never be a problem even if we are both town? Except for when both me, hz and a random 3rd is alive I guess... Well, I can only repeat what I said... Maybe I change about hz after the lynch. But I will probably keep making cases on hz, if they all get debunked it is what it is. Vote me rayn but tell me that I played a good game if eventually hz flips scum and FT flips town. If both flip otherwise I agree I played a shitty game. | ||
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