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Actually second part might be gaming the setup too much, but figured I'd still post it since the first part is worth considering at least. | ||
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Something doesn't add up. ##vote: Malango | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote: Important I propose that we use the mason-killing ability as a double-lynch mechanic during the day. If we have two targets that are highly suspect, the person masoned with one can kill them off so we know the flip prior to lynching. This will influence the lynch for that day. That said, I do not think we should use this pseudo double-lynch day 1. Any thoughts? You propose we do it but don't want to? | ||
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On July 25 2013 02:54 Koshi wrote: Yeah, I would like to add the policy that you don't use the KP or if you do, you get lynched unless you strike scum. Then you are confirmed town and we all love you. I want to refer people to Chezinu in Nuclear using nukes on randoms as scum because he could. I want to refer to SnB using his skillshot on Ace because he could. (SnB is not confirmed scum in Sicilian though) Can I quote posts from other games? Marv says something very interesting about using your shot as scum. This is a terrible policy. If someone uses the vig without towns consent they die if the miss scum. However you're proposing that even if I get told to kill RAINBOWS because we would lynch him otherwise but he flips town I need to be lynched? That's some terrible logic and feels like you're trying to set up a mislynch. Why would you propose that? | ||
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On July 25 2013 03:10 Lazermonkey wrote: Regarding double lynch. If you are about to get mason-killed, then the correct play, no matter what alignment you, is to kill your mason partner before he kills you. If he flips scum, then whop-whop you are suddenly town once again. No townie would NOT do this making the move alignment unindicative (because scum would obviously do the same thing). Regarding policy lynching the mason who kills his partner and he flips town. Well, this is just bad. The same way you wouldn't lynch a vigi who kills town. Even though he might not kill scum he saves us one misslynch if he kills a top suspect. If he kills someone without a very good reason and that person flips town, then we should obviously look into that player. But policy lyncing someone who kills town is a big no-no! No, in that case the best play for a town who is going to get mason viged is to talk his way out of it before the shot. If it is clear that using the vig unless authorized by town is treated as a scum claim than any town who shoots so he doesn't die is throwing the game and I don't think anyone in this is that dumb. | ||
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On July 25 2013 03:22 Rainbows wrote: I guess you're right. I just really don't want scum to use it as free KP. Oh and I think Rayn is scummier than Shaio because the VT claim is null. If scum use it as a KP that is literally the best case scenario for us(unless we were going to vig the scum and they shot before they get lynched). And even in that scenario we come out ahead/even (1 town, 1 scum die and scum losses a kp probably, 1nk) compared to (mislynch, 2nk). | ||
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On July 25 2013 03:43 Lazermonkey wrote: Its inplicit that you try to argue yourself out of the lynch. But if you are about to die you really shoul kill your partner. Even if we would introduce stupid policy about lynching anyone who doesn't kill scum with mason kill, then so what? It is a situation where you have nothing to lose. Either you hit town and you might die, which you would've done anyway this day. Or you hit scum and its party time. Being irresponsible with a vig shot because "you have nothing to lose" is not a good play at all. If you don't let it happen and don't hit scum you're responsible for a mislynch+1 town death and wasted the entire day. We don't have to use the vig but shooting unless you're sure someone is scum is straight retarded if you are town. | ||
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On July 25 2013 04:03 Ange777 wrote: VOTE COUNT: FirmTofu (3): Lazermonkey, ShiaoPi, Dandel Ion ShiaoPi (0): Deadline is in ~12 hours. Currently FirmTofu is set to be lynched! Reminder: Voting is mandatory! I voted a couple pages back. Was there something wrong with how I voted? Thanks | ||
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On July 25 2013 04:35 Lazermonkey wrote: Stutters where are you from? What time zone are you in? EST | ||
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On July 25 2013 04:27 Z-BosoN wrote: @Stutters Do you have anything you want to contribute? So far you've done nothing except bury your vote on Malango. Who do you find suspicious at this start of the game? I think Mal is the best lynch currently. Not really sure otherwise. | ||
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On July 25 2013 05:20 Lazermonkey wrote: Stutters is less of a lynchbait afaik. He also avoided talking with me about scum hunting several times dispite me calling him out. Not only did he not talk about scum hunting, he kept going about policy talk. I'm always lynch bait lol. | ||
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On July 25 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your only reason for Stuytters being more scummy than Sylencia is because Sylencia is more of a lynchbait than Stutters? What points? | ||
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On July 25 2013 03:53 Lazermonkey wrote: And Malago's play is scum indicative because...? I agree his early play was WIERD. But why the actual fuck would he do stuff like that if he would be scum? It would be even wierder. And bolded part: how do you know this was not the case? This is the only time you've ever scum hunted despite having several posts where you discuss policy/setup/defending random dudes/fluff. I'm not impressed at all. I'm assuming this is what you say I'm ignoring. The bolded part: If true then he lied about sending a PM to kill someone then sending another to cancel it. This isn't likely at all from either perspective as it creates a lie that is easily verifiable and would cause his lynch/mislynch over nothing. Thus I assume he actually did send the PM. Why would he send that PM as either alignment? Town: He's taking a shot on the 3/11 probability of hitting scum. Unlikely without some other plan. It certainly wasn't to pressure a lurker since the game had been only going for a couple hours. Scum: He thinks it's a good idea to take the free KP before town uses it. Sends in the PM and tells his scum buddies. They flip their shit since their KP probably drops to 1 at 2 scum and we'd lynch him for a clearly retarded shot and they would actually lose KP so he reneged on his shot. I don't see any town explanation that comes even close to the scum one so I think he's scum unless he has a damn good reason for it | ||
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1) it doesn't affect Rayn at all IMO. If he's scum he has to assume he'll live since otherwise he has to explain why he checked out when he wasn't dead. If he's town it makes no difference. 2) It did not really create content. He didn't even tell us it happened. That clearly isn't with the intent of discussion if he never discussed it. There is a difference between sub-optimal play and play that has no value to town. | ||
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To "trap" a scum you need to provide a scenario that changes someone's answers from null to a more binary scum/not scum. He has failed to show in any way how his actions have resulted in a read. | ||
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On July 25 2013 16:28 Malongo wrote: I just read the day post and sent the hit, mostly for the lulz. Just like that. I canceled the hit because I have a huge crush on Finns and I will need a girlfriend when I get there next year, so I need this girl ryan to like me. Anyone else would have been hit, thou I may need a girlfriend in Austria too. What do you want me to tell you? I am going to vote for the one that asked my attention with not too many reasons to be honest. Kenpachi gambit is Meh, it could just be a timeburner for ever and i do think the claim was stupid and bad for the town in first place. ##Koshi Seriously, no one wants to lynch him after this post? | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, that's stupid. He'll come back and contribute or we lynch him. He doesn't seem very townie atm other than his "shot" on me. I have been trying to think why would that make sense from him as either alignment and i can't understand it (assuming he actually shot and then asked for cancel). Usually it's townies tat do stupid stuff like this so atm i am inclined to lean town on hm, but i would really like him to answer me at least in our QT. I disagree. It would be stupid if he demonstrated a town mindset behind it in any way at all. Shooting "for the lulz" does not in any way demonstrate a town mindset. Neither does cancelling the shot solely because it's on you. If you believe he actually fired the shot and cancelled it based off of his overall lack of any contributions and his failure to demonstrate a town mindset behind the shot makes him pretty likely scum in my book and definitely a good vig. | ||
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Now in terms of what can happen today: Malongo (vig or lynch plz) Lazer: Despite saying his reason for lynching me over Syl was bad still wants to lynch me first. He's also failed to demonstrate how my actions are scummy outside of policy talk early on. Combined with him deciding his lynch choice off of who is less lynch bait rather than demonstrably scummy is concerning. Not really sure on a third yet. | ||
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On July 26 2013 04:59 Lazermonkey wrote: I didn't say my reasons for lynching you over Syl was bad though. I said that my reason BESIDES the lynch bait point was bad. But the lynch bait point isn't bad. Look at Sylencias profile, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Sylencia. He really has been lynched ALOT as town. And as a player that actually led the lynch on him, I can say that his play this game isn't extremly different from the other. Also, why am I scum for attacking you with "bad" arguments? Are scum more inclined to use "bad" arguments? Because your arguments aren't trying to show a scum mindset because you know I'm town. I'd honestly consider you as my top lynch now after this response. Note the blatant contradiction: His reasons for thinking I'm scum are bad except for that I'm a better lynch than Syl because Syl is lynch bait. A reasonable assumption, except that for something as abstract as lynch bait being the deciding factor he has to think we're both scummy. Yet he just said that his only good reason for lynching me is that Syl is lynch bait. What? | ||
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I'll be here for quite a few hours today but some food for thought for anyone thinking this confirms me as scum. Even if Syl doesn't shoot Artanis there, I'm not playing for an endgame with such a reckless(in retrospect) push on Malongo. If you've read my scum game and think I'm scum, I'd like to think it would be obvious that I'd be doing something much more devious than just pushing a mislynch on one of the weaker players(no offense intended) and leaving myself as an obvious lynch on d2. If I were scum I'd probably have bussed or accused someone like Mal but backed off after Lazer's interaction with me to not be the first person to vote on a lynch that incriminates me. I'll be looking at the other people on the wagon throughout work today in case you guys do decide to lynch me at least you'll have my thoughts, but hopefully I can make you see reason. | ||
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