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On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote: Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate. I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff. Anyone out there yet?  Not constructive. | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:02 FiveTouch wrote: Totally false, yes. I just don't really care at this point in the game, and don't think that's actually going to convince anyone to vote for you. Especially given that it wasn't even backed up with a vote.Both. Because stupidity aside, it's a totally false reason for creating suspicion. On July 21 2013 04:02 getmoript wrote: Not being able to read someone is a bad reason not to speak with them. Means less posts from you, less posts from the other guy, and I dunno how you learn to read someone if you refuse to try. Are you an idiot Marv or just scum? I told you I can't read you versus shit. I read people far better when I've followed/played in more games with them. Hell I still don't have a read on you in Ver's game. You just mad because I'm more gay ripped than you? | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:22 getmoript wrote: Sorry, LoL game. I found it townie. Not like I didn't look at thread and go, "Man, we need some real discussion up in this bitch" --> enter and do not much. That ability to flip the thread from start of game into activity is rare, so I don't think it's damning that he posts "Let's do real stuff" --> throwaway stupid comment --> nothing.Hai Austin. Less do work because after Nuclear and Dr Who I'd like to think I can read you. What make you of FirmTofu's 'let's not be useless' useless entry? I commented offhand in our QT that he's totes town for posting right as the game begins and my luv muffin yelled at me and called me wrong (even though I was mostly kidding). In truth I find it more likely to be a towntell as you have no scummy weight on your shoulders at the start of the game in terms of what to do and what the scumplan is, but overall it's probably alignment non-indicative. I'm more interested in the content of what he's posted. Why bother trying to curb the shit early on when he should it's damn well near impossible? 'Conversation starter?' Because the intent appears genuine to me; whether that is scum or town remains to be seen. I do wish he'd return though. There's SOME stuff to follow up on now. Very first post is...not something I really want to worry about. I'd agree that it's not alignment-indicative. | ||
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JarJarDrinks TheAwesomeAll I haven't played with any of you before. Any of you around? | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:57 getmoript wrote: I think they're fine but don't put boatloads of faith in em. That comment about both smurfs being town was off because of the replacement, but he's right that it's this sort of...throwaway suspicion but with a slight seriousness behind it? Way more than anyone who just posted something dumb and an early vote, it's actually a thought but used to create a silly suspicion.No I'm still around, just been playing magic and watching sc2. What do you think of Marv's responses? I don't have a problem with him calling whoever out on that. I don't have a problem with him getting upset/finding it odd that someone just wouldn't speak to him. I think that's especially true in a quiet thread, because drawing people out or, at worst, establishing light reads, is kind of a thing we need to do. | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:33 getmoript wrote: Hello maybe other head?So if it's kinda a thing that we need to do why aren't you following up on it? Why are you actually trying to pressure me? Why are you ok with just sitting back and letting me post? Most importantly Why are you just ok to +1 his suspicion on me blindly and not do shit? I'm not trying to pressure you. I don't think I +1ed his suspicion, I don't think I did anything blindly (?), and I'm not trying to not do shit. I don't think i AM doing shit, but I'm not actively trying. | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:28 jrkirby wrote: Alrighty. If firmtofu and jarjar were both puppies and you could adopt either one of them, which one would you adopt?Yeah, I'm here. I haven't played with anyone here except firmtofu and jarjardrinks. | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:55 getmoript wrote: Bolded and context I guess? Didn't jump on the THAT'S SO SCUMMY train when he actually made those comments and I had a couple posts directed at him. I think they're perfectly reasonable responses, but I don't put much stock in em, I'm neutral on em. I can see why someone would post that, but I'm not running off to vote you based on his posts.How is this not a generic +1 of his suspicion? ~the better head | ||
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On July 21 2013 05:52 jrkirby wrote: So far this game, good puppy or bad puppy? Firmtofu. He's practically a puppy already, so cute. Also, did you interpret my post about marv's suspicions as being a +1 of his post? Did it sound like I was scummy on getmoript? | ||
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On July 21 2013 06:09 jrkirby wrote: Alrighty. How about the other part? He's posted 4 times since the beginning of the game, I've not much to go off of. | ||
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On July 21 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: <3 you too. Why confused?I think Austin is town. I am so confused. | ||
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On July 21 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i totally misreed you in NWM. I hope i have no reason to be confused though. Well, hopefully I won't keep trying to lynch townies in this game. | ||
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I have not hydraed, by hydraing as scum seems particular troublesome. Some other dude might do something scummy and you can get lynched for it. If anyone HAS hydraed as scum, is that the case? You're paranoid your hydra partner might do something you find scummy? If that IS the case, then getmoript is posting too much/too freely to be the D1 lynch, and if he ever drops the bad cop, worse cop, even worse and angry cop act then that would be nice. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:19 getmoript wrote: For legitimate and illegitimate reasons.@Austin... Why Oats over TitsAndAss? He was scum in Nuclear and one of the things that stuck out about him when I was really looking at him on D2 (before forgetting him qqqqqqqqq) is that he was somewhat inactive and just not affecting the game like I think Oats should. Oats is REALLY inactive this game and not affecting the game, yet at least has LOOKED at the thread at some point. So in part, it's wrong because I'm lynching him due to looking too hard at last game. But that gets a little WIFOM-y in my head - maybe he's angry/unmotivated because he just got scum again / maybe I'm just overreacting. TAA is...I misread his filter before and wanted to talk with him, but then couldn't find whatever it was I wanted to talk about. He's been SO bristly and SO jumpy on calling people scum that I give him minor minor not-scum points. But I'm more than willing to chat about him and consider it. | ||
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On July 21 2013 23:11 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Ealso a strange thing about FT is the calling out the lurker post. He left TanGeng out of his list of "ill hop aboard these bandwagons any day" call for no apparent reason. Im really interested in TanGengs collor if FT turns red and vice versa. | ||
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On July 22 2013 06:55 getmoript wrote: See above. Yeah, he's not rallying the troops for a lynch, but he's calling a bunch of folks scummy and he's jumping around so much. If he's just posting to post, why is everything an accusation? It reads more like he had a scumread or two, then started getting attacked, the just started attacking everything back (to me). I'd agree with misguided townie over scum based on his cases/votes.I don't read him as wrong townie. Feels like he's trying to post just to post and not actually try to force or move discussion which is something I see very rarely out of town. Why do you think he's misguided townie? On July 22 2013 07:14 getmoript wrote: I see what you're saying, but I think you can spin this both ways and I like the other. Yeah, some of his responses look very unprepared, but I think that's townie and not scummy. I know when I get accused I post lots of stupid crap because I'm so worried about being thought of as scummy and needing to find scum and needing to defend myself and...being accused of being scum just gives a townie so much more to worry about (unless you're really, really used to getting called scummy or don't care at all). The less thought/more posts reads like that to me, not like scum unraveling.@Marv. His responses read to me like the more he gets pressured the less thought he tries to put into his responses. That reads like scum hasn't fully thought through their line of reasoning. Plus, he keeps on having these "Well you want to know what I think" type of posts which feel really non-towny; very "See what I'm contributing"-esque. For someone like me that'd be the norm, but he doesn't come across as that type of person and between Wave and Me, he's the lurkier player I'd like to kill. The "you want to know what I think" point is ... interesting? I don't think I've seen mafia do that, don't think I interpret that as a mafia tell, but he HAS made a bunch of those, and it's a thing that I'll note. Especially if you can say "this is something I would do as town," then I don't think it's utterly damning on someone whose playstyle I don't know. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote: It IS worth pointing out. Honestly it's the single post in your filter that stuck out the most to me, and I think it's townie.fivetouch made a post calling out the lurkers, evidently he named almost every lurker(up to that point) except TanGeng. TG strikes me as smart and competent with the few posts he made but he hasnt contributed yet so im kinda interested in him and then FT made that post which intentionally left TG out of the spotlight so i thought it was worth pointing out. getmoript, either/both halves, chat about that post (by yourselves, in this thread, whatever). TAA's post is 8 hours after 5T's post. After that 5T post, TAA has: On July 21 2013 23:06 TheAwesomeAll wrote: this post is so weird, fake outrage from nowhere, no real message "plz only shoot the mafia", if i could i would lynch only geript but for now ##vote: getmoript would do. Im fairly sure either FiveTouch or getmoript is scum but since they attacked each other a bunch its probably not both, and since FT has been doing the attacking and getmoript has been backpaddeling as soon as he gets any heat im leaning towards him. On July 21 2013 23:11 TheAwesomeAll wrote: I read that as TAA actually looking through 5T and getmoript's filters, a "figuring the game out" thing. Do you read this as "trying to be all sneaky and make an extra bro scummy"? also a strange thing about FT is the calling out the lurker post. He left TanGeng out of his list of "ill hop aboard these bandwagons any day" call for no apparent reason. Im really interested in TanGengs collor if FT turns red and vice versa. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:42 getmoript wrote: Whichever head didn't write this, you should add a "well do you want to know what I think" before every post you make in hydra chat.The "that'd be the norm for someone like me" point refers far more to the stream of consciousness type posting. Like I post mostly on gut as town and move from there where I can keep on going. Not the "well do you want to know what I think" type of posts; I don't think I've ever really seen that as town and I honestly can't imagine doing it as town. I've seen something like, "well you want to know what I think. Here's what I think" type of post all connected not this strung out sort of play. | ||
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On July 22 2013 08:58 getmoript wrote: I'm happier with an Oats lynch. Don't have a good scumread on anyone who's been posting a good bit. I'm slightly worried that I'm just punishing him for last game, but I feel pretty good that that's not actually the case, that's he's super lurky but actually was reading at one point or more, and can get behind the thought of "Oats is EVEN less impactful this game because he's rolled scum 2x in a row."Who do you want to lynch then? I don't want to lynch FirmTofu. I could go for a lurker right about now but it seems half the game might be modkilled for not voting. Mods, if you're reading this (and if you read come of what I wrote in the Nuclear postgame) I'm going to use this game as an example and start pushing for stronger activity rules in games/harsher bans. -Wave I don't want to lynch FirmTofu either. jrkirby interests me but I'd like to wait and see more from him. DrH valuable if town imo, would like to wait. So I come down to really looking at zephir and Oats, and wanting to lynch Oats between the pair. | ||
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On July 22 2013 09:07 getmoript wrote: Wish you were just bad cop + cop that makes sound effects. Calm down. I FULLY agree that you can get reads from lurkers. WTF Austin? TAA admits that TanG looks all logic'd up and stuff and doesn't think that VE/Marv can have a read on him from a few posts? Just because someone's a lurker doesn't mean that you're automatically interested in lynching them. You can get reads from lurkers. I've correctly nailed someone as town based on 3 almost single line posts before. You're interpreting something differently than I am. As I read it, TAA was wondering why 5T didn't mention TanGeng with the other lurkers, when VE said he wanted to lynch a lurker and made a tiny list. Not attacking 5T for having a read on a lurker, but just noting "This dude made a list of lurkers, but he left this one lurker off, and I think that's interesting." On July 22 2013 09:04 getmoript wrote: See, look at all this calm discussion. Scum filter dive, but...he didn't just accuse 5T with that post? It's not like he looked through for scummy stuff or townie stuff or whatever to reinforce this case. He found something INTERESTING and posted it, makes me think he was reading without planning to do anything specific. I dunno, it's somewhat fluff but not scummy fluff imo. It's actually reading this post and pointing out this interesting thing about this post, but not trying to spin it (at least for instant effect).I really disagree with this. Filter diving isn't necessarily a "towny" thing to do. Scum filter dive too. More importantly I want to bring up how He's 'filter' diving. Here is where the FiveTouch post comes then the post on me. If he were going systematically down through the player filter list, the primary thing he'd comment on is how dead/lurky people are + Show Spoiler [Player List in Order] + 1) Zephirdd 2) jrkirby 3) FiveTouch 4) raynpelikoneet 5) FirmTofu 6) TanGeng 7) JarJarDinks 8) DoctorHelvetica 9) austinmcc 10) Oatsmaster 11) TheAwesomeAll 12) getmoript Anywho going to work now, WoS please take over. | ||
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On July 22 2013 09:32 getmoript wrote: Because I don't see it as much as a "current point of interest." He found this one post, identified this one thing about it that IS interesting, and mentioned it. If he'd done more with it I'd actually like that less. If he tries to use that to actively paint either party as scummy now, it'd look more like he was grabbing whatever, throwing it in a bucket and calling someone scummy. But instead, he's just pointing out this connection, NOT basing current reads off of it.My point is that there isn't a methodical method to what he's approaching. Rather he's reading to some "current point of interest" posting on it and leaving. How is that towny? | ||
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On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit.I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote. Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient." Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. | ||
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She's wondering what clothes to wear I want to lynch TanGeng For making this post right here. On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote: I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote. Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient." Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. (1) - On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote: Looks at getmoript's filter, doesn't mention all the TAA suspicion, the TAA vote, and apparently even though the voting thread is only one page, doesn't notice that getmoript's vote has moved and nobody is on JJD right now.I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. (2) Initial pressure/suspicion vote with...5ish hours until deadline in a game that TanGeng has mentioned, at multiple points, is low activity. How is he pressuring? (3) Dat reason for voting. Vote him cuz he played conveniently (4) Repetetive "game is dead"/"I am useless"/"LOL I'm not most inactive town" comments. Checked nuclear, much more active there, has thoughts, follows up on thoughts. I don't care if he's busy, that's fine, but that post and vote are my least favorite thing in the thread right now. | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:34 getmoript wrote: Does it really?Looks to me like he's posting as he's catching up with the thread. I don't really understand why people do that, or at least do so without explicitly saying they're going to do so and vote and shit when it may be completely irrelevant by the time they've caught up. So....4 or so hours to go. Half the thread hasn't voted, a bunch of people have barely posted. 5T, lurker lynch or do we stay on TAA? Tangeng and Tofu, same question to you. On July 22 2013 09:08 TanGeng wrote: Hey all, got back and looking through the thread as the deadline starts to get closer. Let's go look over the who might look like a surer lynch among the actives. If no clear candidate, let's go with an inactive. On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote: I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote: He's catching up, then 19 minutes later has decided he's not the most inactive, and is looking at your filter. Then 18 minutes later, he knows that you said JJD's entrance was convenient.I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote. Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient." Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. But he doesn't talk about anything else in your filter. Doesn't say anything of his own except that he's useless. Doesn't notice that your vote isn't actually on the guy he's now voting for. Is pressure voting with no time left and not actually adding any pressure. | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure?HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:45 getmoript wrote: Profile so big that I only checked nuclear. Way more posts with reasoning and thoughts and stuff, just no experience with him beyond that. But...dat post. Not joking, least favorite post in the thread.Fwiw, Austin, the last couple posts are all Wave. I dislike TG, but I've been burned on him before. Where's Marv/VE? Also, I want your thoughts on Rayn @Austin ~g I dunno. rayn called me town early on when really not needing to. Gave him minor townie points for that, glossed over a lot of today cuz I'm a bum. Gimme couple minutes and I'll look more in depth. | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:56 getmoript wrote: Sorry, it's unclear. Assuming marv has made most of the hydra's posts, then VE has contributing almost nothing except the list.VE made the lurker list Austin. Not Marv. If VE has been making some of the other posts, then he's done more than just the list, so he's spent 48 hours making a single list and then maybe another couple posts. It's...better-ish. | ||
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On July 21 2013 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey hydra head 1, what do you think about hydra head 2? Can read this both ways, but gut read is mildly townie. Silly thing to ask, feels like a post you make when you've got a clear conscience and a game is starting. That whole bit, where he actively engages you in discussion about your other hydra head, townie.hey let's play a cool game geript. What do you think about WoS asking me "are you town this time rayn?". Don't you think that's kinda.. stupid question to start with. What does that imply to you? On July 22 2013 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mild town points. Again, mostly gut, but asking x what he thinks about something and then adding everyone else generally reads to me like someone is trying to follow some line of reasoning, actually wants thoughts/discussion on it, is trying to figure out the game.no i don't, at least until he starts talking more and there is more shit to talk about. That being said, marv, what do you think of my/geript's discussion last night. Actually everyone can answer that. The rest of his filter doesn't really do anything for me alignment-wise. | ||
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But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? | ||
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On July 22 2013 11:22 jrkirby wrote: Those targets are solid.Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time. I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it. If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday. Maybe look at JarJar too. And then tell everyone to actually play the game. That would be the best thing. | ||
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I'm gonna be off for the night soon, and there's so few votes that I hate leaving with a couple hours left in case everyone shows up and decides to pants on head. Would like to chat a little more about votes/lynch, see if we get anything semi-solid out, and then hope that everyone just sheeps your vote because apparently that's your role. | ||
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On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post?I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? | ||
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You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote: The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler +Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process. Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote: It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote: Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now. My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other. If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off. That leaves with only the town possibility. On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote: My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important. So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him?HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 12:01 TanGeng wrote: If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him? Argh, sometimes sharing these details is just a bad idea because then scum can meta the though process. Coming into the post, JarJar jumped on Tofu who was the most obvious target and then leaves. This is most likely not indicative of scum as townies seem more likely to do it. But it does provide a quick way to try to pick up on some scum tells. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:17 FirmTofu wrote: EBWOP: Sorry about my switch from 3rd person to 2nd person midway though that post. austinmcc says that I think it's okay; you're forgiven | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:39 FirmTofu wrote: Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng.I would like to remind everyone that this game relies on majority voting. If we actually want a lynch today, we are going to have to consolidate on a single target. Start voting, people. I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice. I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand." On average, I think it comes out scummy for me, as like a deer in the headlights reaction? Has TanGeng been mafia before? I really want getmoript's take on that and TanGeng overall, because despite spending this last bit removing the police uniforms and playing paddycake in their chat (or, you know, working), I'm interested in their thoughts. Having "misread" TanGeng before, or whatever that comment was, I'd like to know what was misread. Oats is still oats, and still looks like a perfectly fine lynch. But TanGeng also looks like a fine lynch to me atm, if this game actually has a lynch and doesn't just get shut down because nobody votes. | ||
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On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote: + Show Spoiler +Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:03 TanGeng wrote: Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative. On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent. But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote: I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD. You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc. You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc. | ||
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What info does lynching oats get us? I cannot really explain some of this TG stuff except trying to get instruction from scum QT or something, hoping people would tell him what to say, and so it would make me think we've got scum among our very inactive players/not in our players that are around recently. That's stretching some stuff, and it leads to the conclusion that "some of our inactive players are scum" which, I know, is just downright SHOCKING and such a useful conclusion, but I don't get what info oats gets us really. Hard to analyze votes at all when there are 2.3 total votes. | ||
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Cuz I totally support vigis shooting peeps. I think I just really want to lynch TG because I don't understand this at all and think I've found scum and can make up for last game where I blew and found town. However, the lesson that game was to lynch oats/DI, and NOT go charging off after scummy people. Way more boring. Booooooooo. | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:13 TanGeng wrote: If you don't think TAA is scum and your vote on JJD was JUST pressure, despite also saying thisI see I ignored you for the longest time and that was because I was read the thread and giving thought on other things, rather than wanting to reveal what questions I wanted to spring on JJD when he is back that he would want to answer because I had my vote on him. Also I don't think TAA is scum. What he did in his first series of posts can be considered scummy. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I like JJD more for scum than TAA. Then....do you think ANYONE is scum? GETMORIPT I JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND. TanGeng, you didn't ignore me for the longest time. You actively responded to these side-bits of my posts, you responded to some, we had dialogue, but NONE of it concerned what I was really looking for. You were keeping current with thread and responding to the very posts that had the questions about JJD and your vote/discussion, yet never ever ever ever mentioning that part of things. | ||
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On July 22 2013 13:35 TanGeng wrote: Which I'll actually feel bad about if you're town. I can be aggressive sometimes with reads, but I don't think I was at the start with you. I was scummy on that one post but figured you'd kind of explain it. But then the explanation or lack thereof just kept pinging my scumdar.Don't lynch me. It really was trying to stir up some activity. I'm trying to help out town and austin just jumped all over me. But I don't know how you were trying to stir up activity. You complained that you weren't on the useless lists because you were being useless. Then you pressure voted a guy with 5-6 hours left in the day when he had no other votes, after maybe not quite catching up to a very short game. Like...none of it adds up. | ||
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oats, please knock it off. If you don't want to read, don't want to do anything, then fine. But don't post that you won't bother to go read the thread and are worried about a test and have to go pop your hemorrhoids and then turn around and ask other people to scumhunt for you. If you're willing to read someone else's scumhunting and reads, which you ought to be given that you're asking for them, then you should be willing to read your own posts or the guy you wanted lynched. DrH, catch up or replace out. If you catch up, we can chat. People have some reason to pile on you or find your actions at deadline scummy, but you won't fully know why unless you read through and catch up. getmoript, last time town no-lynched on D1 because mafia wouldn't show up to place the final vote on their buddy, half of you won the game. That rounds up to the whole hydra winning. So odds are you will win this game if you're town. If you're mafia, then WoS lost that game and so the whole hydra will lose this one too. It's science. | ||
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On July 23 2013 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote: This.What austin? On July 22 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Of course, if someone had a gun and wanted to use it, I might make a case. On July 22 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote: I was busy, I made a joke. I have a test I might fail tmr. I am appealing to emotion, and its fun jerking you around on a rope. On July 22 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I would love to talk about something if it didnt involving looking at other pages. rayn is mafia, but you don't quite remember why, can't be bothered to go looking for it, and want to chat if you don't have to look at anything else. On July 22 2013 23:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I cant vote for anyone, game is boring. So who do you think is scum marv? You think im totes town, so dont lynch me bby. On July 22 2013 23:37 Oatsmaster wrote: rayn is mafia, but you're not gonna bother finding the reasons and you don't want to read back over the thread. But JJD and marv should give you scumreads. Except you don't want to read jack, so maybe you read their thoughts or maybe you don't. And since you don't want to look over the thread, surely you won't go check filters or pages to draw your own conclusions about their reads.I can sense marv's anger flowing through the page. So JJD, whos scum? The two don't match up, imo. | ||
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On July 23 2013 00:46 FiveTouch wrote: I heard it's not the only post I've made in the thread. You can find my thoughts on oats. Oats - I want to lynch scum. If you're scum, then I want to lynch you. If you're not then I don't. It's up to you to keep yourself from getting lynched regardless of your alignment, and right now you're failing because yes, I want to lynch you for how you're playing right now. It's bullshit and what's worse is that it looks like you're TRYING to infuriate marv. austin - I hope you have thoughts on other players because you literally said nothing about DocH (what is there to say? Why mention him?) and you said nothing about Oats (the lecture is cool an all, but you never say whether or not you would kill that dude) and you said nothing about getmoript (I don't even know what you just said about getmoript, but it says nothign about what you think his aligment is) in that post just now. It reeks of fake contribution and I find you suspicious for it. Make it stop. -VE I didn't say anything about DrH because there's nothing to say about DrH. Either he plays the game and THEN we can talk to/about him, or he replaces out, or whatever. | ||
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On July 23 2013 01:48 getmoript wrote: I still like lynching TanGeng, especially given that the vote failed. IF he flips town, then it tells us something about DrH. Scum DrH is very unlikely to have returned to thread, been asked to lynch TanGeng by multiple people, and chosen not to do so. Possibly, but really unlikely. Even if he's replacing out, that's direct information about whoever comes in. Can anyone give a reason for why we shouldn't just autolynch Oats tomorrow? Either one works, but still mildly in favor of TG first. | ||
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On July 23 2013 01:57 getmoript wrote: Do we get something MORE from lynching oats over TG? No Austin. Look at all of what Oats has done. He's refused to interact. He's got this huge test tomorrow and cba to do shit so he's neither focusing on the test to he can contribute tomorrow nor trying to get some good reads in here to make up for his bullshittery. Lynch him. I want to lynch both, and maybe we have vigis that want to shoot, but right now I think that what TG possibly tells us about DrH is more valuable than the satisfaction of lynching Oats. | ||
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On July 23 2013 02:11 getmoript wrote: We get lulz. But if we don't lynch him, he has to sit in this game and post and vote for another 72 hours. Then we STILL get lulz when we lynch him, AND make him play.Lulz. We get lulz out of lynching Oats. Considering his about of cba attitude, I'll happily take lulz and hound him about the awful play for the next 5-6 games. | ||
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On July 23 2013 02:51 getmoript wrote: Well, it happened and you won. This time, the no-lynch didn't work out in your favor, but you maybe didn't have the runs, and you'll win again. That was a unique situation.... I had the runs. If I would've noticed I would've bussed you in a heartbeat. Ta da! All is well. Just gotta make the game as enjoyable and productive as you can, and save the rest for postgame. | ||
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On July 23 2013 05:04 cDgCorazon wrote: You say TG should have been lynched. Is there someone in particular that you're aiming that at? Someone who isn't convinced/didn't try to lynch?Ok so I read everyone's filter and I've come up with a few opinions: -TG should've been lynched D1. Like seriously. His game has been ridiculously scummy and he should've been lynched for it. -Getmoript needs to stop arguing with everyone. While I applaud them for posting a lot and trying to move things forward, they are borderline creating chaos in the game. I'm leaning a bit towards scum with them, but I need to see more because Geript is playing very rash and emotional while WoS is being more moderate and even-keel. -DrH did cause a no-lynch so I think that should against him, but he should not be instantly beheaded for it. That being said, I really do want to hear more from him. -Everyone has been too spammy in their posts, and there has not been enough analysis. Only 2 or 3 players have been providing good analysis on a constant basis. In an environment like this, scum are going to thrive. Everyone needs to step up so scum have nowhere to hide. If anyone wants opinions on specific things, just ask. | ||
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On July 23 2013 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think I mostly started it, although one head of getmoript was on board initially iirc. Just read the progression from TanGeng's vote onwards.Who did make the actual case on TanGeng? On July 23 2013 07:17 FiveTouch wrote: What part of the existing wagon got you all hot and bothered?I did this thing I really don't like...it's pretty stupid looking back, but he was lurking most of the day, and when he was called out for not doing anything he was all "What? Look I'm just trying to generate discussion!" Like, no you weren't dude. No one posts with the sole intent of "generating discussion". People have stuff to say when they post, and he defended himself by saying "Dude don't listen to me, I was just trying to generate discussion" That's ultimately why I assented to lynch TG. That and the existing wagon. | ||
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On July 23 2013 08:37 FiveTouch wrote: There weren't a lot. You came in either actually or fake pissy that we weren't lynching the lurkers you'd pointed out:I had my own reasons - the fact that there was a wagon played a part of my choice, but the reasons I gave were the reasons for my support of the wagon. -VE On July 22 2013 13:56 FiveTouch wrote: None of the leading candidates are scu.my lurkers.😞 You'll regret making me read filters for tonight. This I swear. On July 22 2013 14:28 FiveTouch wrote: You could lynch him, because he didn't scream townie and was weird.I can lynch TG. Nothing screams townie to me in his filter, the "why leave me off ur list" is completely weird. Can we make TG lynch happen? On July 22 2013 14:49 FiveTouch wrote: Then he was lurking but came back, and hadn't looked townie without specifics, ending with him being nullish.TG was mostly lurking, but came into the thread as soon as his name was called and has since put on a pretty poor show of appearing townie. Admittedly this doesn't exclude him being town. I just find it far more likely to come from scum than town in this instance based on how he's presented himself in thread. Look at his defense - he's not even trying to convince me he's scumhunting. He's appealing to my fear of mislynching, exclusively. Like I said - it's nullish, but I'm leaning scum and we've got an established wagon DocH. Plz vote TG I had gone to sleep, but you came in shortly before the lynch and started from there. I'm honestly interested in more specifics on why he was scummy, because the reasons you gave weren't boatloads and were tempered by him not being townie and being nullish leaning scum. | ||
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On July 23 2013 09:21 FiveTouch wrote: I don't terribly know either. Something different. Well I just don't know what else to say on the matter austin. I gave my reasoning for supporting the wagon, so I'm not really sure what you're after here. -VE | ||
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On July 23 2013 09:25 FiveTouch wrote: Nah, different stuff about why you voted TG. Not different stuff like not-TG stuff.Well that's what I've been doing this whole cycle - something different - yet you've been harping on my TG reasoning. If you're after "something different" then why not comment on all the "different" I've been doing SINCE then? :/ | ||
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But that doesn't mean scum RBed him. Still like that lynch. 5T, do you have reason to be townie beyond the RB claim and the self-centric viewpoint? I get what you're saying there, but (1) DrH's alignment with relation to not lynching TG had already come up and (2) even if it falls under the rubric of "things town say more than scum," it's...almost GOT to be said. He can't ever mention DrH/onegu WITHOUT noting that the dude didn't lynch him. I think it's not as telling in this case, because that's literally ALL that DrH did in his 48 hours here - he popped in and didn't lynch. It's impossible to gloss over, and therefore it's not worth points either way imo. | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:31 FiveTouch wrote: Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu? I buy it. I think TG is town and scum are setting him up with the RB. Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?" | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:47 FiveTouch wrote: No, you don't NEED to. But I realized what I wanted from you last night, when asking why you found TG scummy. I wanted...specifics, I wanted you to reference his vote on JJD, votepost, comment about discussion, the avoidance of talking about those things--the specific posts that led to the scumread that led to the wagon that led to the almost-lynch. You spoke in some general terms about things, but you never referenced the start of the wagon or my read or those posts.I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town. -VE Now, he's become a townread. But for reasons that have to do with setup speculation and WIFOM, not his posts, and you're still not going back to those and incorporating them into anything. Like I noted at night, I was watching for people to call TG/Oats scummy and still want to lynch other folks, but also watching for people who come off of them for little/no reason and onto other people. Right now, you blipped on that radar. It's a thing that could go either way, and you explaining yourself lets me know how to interpret this. Beyond that, AMG CORA SCUM FOR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAWING WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM BECAUSE I COME TO DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS AND WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM. I think that vote is poop soup. | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote: I still like him for scum, tbh. That one's more troubling than TG currently, but as someone with a fondness for being odd/useless/absent on D1 a decent amount of the time when town, he's doing more than that. He actively contributed little/nothing beyond yelling to lynch rayn. He didn't even vote or get involved in any sort of voting discussion until 6 minutes to go. His magical test didn't prevent him from getting more active during parts of N1.So austin, what's your current Oats opinion? ~marv I have a hard time reading someone who had his D1 as town. Just because he acts differently today does not undo his D1. To some extent, I interpret the different action as D1 "Woe is me I so sad I scum again and qqqqqq" and N1/D2 uptick in action as "HAHAHAHA SUCK IT TOWN, WE TOTALLY GOT A NO LYNCH AND NOW THIS GAME IS MORE ENJOYABLE." It's not the only interpretation, and it's not my whole read on him, but the D1 attitude and play was SO scummy that I don't automatically come around on D2. | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:56 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah, that's ACTUALLY specific. Thanks.I didn't realize TG claimed VT overnight. I didn't notice that until filtering him today. I don't think scum would claim VT on D1 period, and I CERTAINLY don't think scum would claim RB on D2 after claiming VT on D1 austin. Is that specific enough for you? So you value the claims more than the posts? | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:06 FiveTouch wrote: Seeing them as "bad", rather than "scummy" or..."wrong" or whatever, is where we differ here, and something I don't super get.It's not that I value the claims or trust them to be true at face value, it's just the mindset required to make those claims AS scum is not one I think we have to worry about TG possessing. That's all I'm saying. His posts look bad, but they could come from bad town as well as bad scum. The claims push him into "likely town" for me. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:11 FiveTouch wrote: Sigh. You voted for him yesterday, you have the townie read on him now. Maybe you should have read his posts. VE called me scummy early N2, you think I look bad, but neither of you seems to have read ME either.Why don't you explain exactly why whatever posts you are referring to have to come from a scum mindset rather than a town one, and maybe we can provide the alternative explanation and/or have a discussion about it? At the moment you're just rambling like a weirdo and looking pretty bad to me to be honest. ~marv Main posts of TG D1 - + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote: I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote: I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote. Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient." Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Votes JJD as pressure/suspicion 5 hours before deadline. Does so after reading getmoript, agress with getmoript. However getmoript had changed his vote a while previously, wasn't voting JJD, and either had said or said later that he got a townread on JJD. Implies either not actually reading filter, or just stopping at a candidate and throwing a vote there. Voting thread was 1 page, TG doesn't even look up to see that getmoript's vote no longer on JJD. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: When pressured about his vote, says he wanted JJD to show up for discussion. Look at my posts below, but the questions/poking at his above post weren't just "What do you want from JJD?" HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: Focus on the bolded. Likes JJD for scum more than TAA. Those are his scumreads though, or scum-ish reads.I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote: Still being pressured. Now there was no read on JJD, just probing. Won't explain how/why.Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. On July 22 2013 13:13 TanGeng wrote: Still won't reveal anything he wanted JJD to discuss (and never has). Doesn't think TAA scum, despite those 2 being his scumreads before.I see I ignored you for the longest time and that was because I was read the thread and giving thought on other things, rather than wanting to reveal what questions I wanted to spring on JJD when he is back that he would want to answer because I had my vote on him. Also I don't think TAA is scum. What he did in his first series of posts can be considered scummy. On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote: Now rayn and Tofu are scum. Mentioned before? Nope. Voted either before? Nope.My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off. Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything. Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so: ##vote: FirmTofu My thoughts on the deal, won't explain further, but they're honestly right there in my filter and were there on D1, where you guys don't seem to have looked. One thing that I'm unsure on, whether it's scummy or...WHAT it is, is the REFUSAL to answer straight questions posed repeatedly, while answering anything else in posts - + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:34 austinmcc wrote: It's late in the evening She's wondering what clothes to wear I want to lynch TanGeng For making this post right here. (1) - Looks at getmoript's filter, doesn't mention all the TAA suspicion, the TAA vote, and apparently even though the voting thread is only one page, doesn't notice that getmoript's vote has moved and nobody is on JJD right now. (2) Initial pressure/suspicion vote with...5ish hours until deadline in a game that TanGeng has mentioned, at multiple points, is low activity. How is he pressuring? (3) Dat reason for voting. Vote him cuz he played conveniently (4) Repetetive "game is dead"/"I am useless"/"LOL I'm not most inactive town" comments. Checked nuclear, much more active there, has thoughts, follows up on thoughts. I don't care if he's busy, that's fine, but that post and vote are my least favorite thing in the thread right now. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent. But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote: I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD. You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. On July 22 2013 12:14 austinmcc wrote: The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote: It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote: Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now. My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other. If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off. That leaves with only the town possibility. On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote: My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important. So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies. What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him? If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him? On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:03 TanGeng wrote: Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative. On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent. But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote: I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD. You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc. You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:27 FiveTouch wrote: WHY WOULD SCUM TG CLAIM VT AND THEN TO BE RBED?I think the chances of a rolecop checking himself for insanity is....far fetched. Everyone vote Corazon because he's a liar. -VE Should probably be followed by WHY WOULD SCUM CORA CLAIM ROLECOP WHO ONLY CHECKED HIMSELF? | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:32 FiveTouch wrote: The vote specifically. See the very first post there, what set everything off. The ... shifting reads, these three posts.No, you don't get to pull this bullshit on me austin. I just browsed some of those posts, and they are you describing what Tangeng posted and saying they were scummy. Fine. I want to know exactly what posts HAVE to be from a scum mindset. You just post useless blurb all over the place. Create NEW content on exactly which posts you can't reconcile with a townie-TG. You've created a narrative, but I want to know exactly what part of your narrative you find so convincing, else it's just a narrative. ~marv P.S. he probably doesn't answer your questions because they're lost in dense blurb. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I'm scummy on JJD. Here's a scummy post from TAA but I don't think he's scum.I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote: There was no read yet (it's now 2 hours to lynch and there are no reads). He was just probing.Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote: 1:15 later, Tofu and rayn are top suspicions. Out of pretty much nowhere.My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off. Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything. Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so: ##vote: FirmTofu His original vote was sheeping a dude who wasn't even scummy on someone anymore and wasn't voting them, for REALLY bad reasons, ESPECIALLY if he had actual scumreads in tofu and rayn. He went from scummy on JJD to no read and scummy on these other bros. Those are the main posts. I apologize for presuming that you read the filter of the dude you guys voted for. Yeah, there's plenty of crap in there, but there are very explicit questions, and promises of multiple children for explanations. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:40 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah, it's a bit overly sarcastic in its douchiness. But from my end, this is the dude you voted for last night. I know you're hydraed, but this guy is the guy you voted for, wanted to lynch. His filter isn't giant, the stuff that gave me a scumread and started the wagon on him is contained within a small number of posts. You may not have read them, or the reasons the wagon got rolling, maybe you were absent and haven't looked it back over.austin, I can quite happily ignore you for the rest of the game if you're gonna be a sarcastic douche. Just saying bro. ~marv Which is...fine. But you ought to be able to see why that might trouble me? The two of you together possibly not having read the reason that wagon got rolling in the first place? Possibly not having read some of the few posts that the guy you voted for made. Overly sarcastic, yes. But you act like I need to present specific posts to you on a red carpet, whereas I'm acting like you should have already read them because you voted a guy and joined a wagon. As far as explaining why they can ONLY come from scum...I'm not going to do that? I honestly find that request peculiar. I'm not dealing with a claim or anything, these are specific posts and actions I find scummy. It's POSSIBLE they come from town, that's how almost every last scummy thing ever happens. Like...almost never does someone's case involve "here is why all of these posts and actions could 100% only come from scum and never from town." You're asking for something that's almost never done, and is ridiculous. As to why they're LIKELY from mafia, read the vote. He read getmoript's filter, voted JJD because of getmoript's "convenient" comment. However, getmoript had changed his vote, changed his suspicions, and called JJD town. Saying you read a filter and are sheeping a vote when it's not that guy's vote anymore is curious for town. ESPECIALLY curious is doing that and then...not really owning up to it? A townie who does something that weird goes "Oops, my bad, totally didn't notice getmoript calling JJD town later and moving his vote." Which TG never does. He doubles down on "I never had a read, was just pressuring." Furthermore, look at the reads. There's generic "not scumhunting" in that he doesn't seem to have scumreads until right before deadline, and then it's some people who came up in discussion. But he's voted a dude he has no read on, compares him to another dude who he doesn't think is scum but here's his most scummy post, and then only way way way later after all of this jazz does he have some scumreads. I don't like that voting progression, don't like how his reads NEVER come up until the very end of the night, at which point it's not like anything is going to happen with em. I find both those things to be different from Nuclear TanGeng. He wasn't around long, but he's got reasoned out posts, he looks at the Chez nuke on D1 from a couple angles, decides what he thinks is likely, discusses with other people why something makes sense or doesn't. Here, his vote is to pressure a dude that nobody is voting for reasons that are outdated and weak, he has no scumreads until the very end of the day, and his actual posts and play feel far less involved. Not just number of posts, but they don't take something, analyze it, come ot a conclusion. More importantly, that response to the claim makes all this a bit unnecessary today, because I agree wholeheartedly that it's not a townie response (one of the few things that really isn't ever what a townie would do) | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:04 FiveTouch wrote: I think getmoript's timing is alright, and his choice of targets makes sense. Having just claimed mafia two games ago in a situation where I thought I was pegged, his post looks almost exactly like my reaction to getting "caught." So, I believe TAA is red, and I guess then believe getmoript is actually a cop. He's not been in my scummy list, therefore I don't see this as some kind of action. So if TAA is red, getmoript very likely cop.My head hurts right now if I'm honest. Would quite like getmoript/austin/whoever's general input on the whole claiming situation. Hard to work out alone. ~marv Corazon's counter is funky. Especially given that he claims rolecop who copped himself. Either he just ROYALLY screwed up a counterclaim, or he's serious. I can understand him not thinking we'd have that many powerroles. I can understand TG's saying we might have miller/GF(s). To some extent though, Corazon's argument doesn't make sense internally to me. Corazon claims rolecop. Says he did so because unlikely town has the roles that have been claimed. I don't think a rolecop seems particularly useful UNLESS there are a decent number of powerroles. Rolecop is something I think I only ever see in PTP or themed games, where there are lots of roles. If it's like...half VTs then a rolecop ain't super duper useful. The fact that he doesn't think we have the claimed roles BUT knows from getting a result back that he's a rolecop...is odd. But honestly, why does scum fakeclaim rolecop? If you claim regular cop, you can give alignments. If you claim rolecop, you're in some DEEP shit, because maybe town orders you to check specific folks, and you can't just make up roles. In a closed setup, rolecop is an AWFUL choice for a fakeclaim. So, despite thinking the "we can't have this many powerroles" thing is inconsistent with having a rolecop, I believe both claims atm? tl;dr - TAA's reaction makes him likely red, Getmoript wasn't scummy before, therefore getmoript likely cop. Corazon's rolecop claim seems like an awful choice to fakeclaim, therefore likely true but not alignment indicative. Seriously, rolecop is right up there with claiming innocent child IMO in terms of bad fakeclaims. | ||
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I dunno, it's just not how I would try to puzzle that one out. I would focus on getting checks first, then figuring out whether they were trustworthy second, based on either flips or always getting red or whatever. I can understand wanting to confirm sanity, it's just an odd choice from my point of view, because I would value MOAR CHECKS over sanity, whereas you are saying you valued sanity over checks. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:27 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah, that is slightly wonky, but still. You give me a blue PM, I'm gonna DO stuff with it. Like I read that I'm a cop, whether role or alignment or anything else, I'm immediately gonna try and use my role to get info on someone else.Well remember austin, I replace in and went to sleep 3 hours later. I didn't have very many concrete reads, so I thought I'd just check sanity. To me, checking yourself is basically NOT using your role for a night. Yes, it may help you with the side issue of sanity, but you're explicitly passing up a check on another person. I don't think I've seen anyone check themselves evurr as the first check. I don't think it's inexplicable. I can understand working on a short timeframe. But the mindset that you are saying you had is just at odds with the mindset that I would have the moment I read anything that sounded like a DT PM. All I want to do is get as much bonus info on other people as possible, to try and make my votes/reads/cases/etc. better. Sanity will play out as the game progresses. I still don't think someone fake claims ROLE cop as scum, though. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:57 FirmTofu wrote: Given TAA's reaction post, you think it's more likely that:If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. If you want me to vote for anyone other than TG or jrkirby today, you're going to have to make a really solid case against them and convince me. (1) getmoript is not actually a cop, fakeclaiming a red check on a scumread of his, who responded in that manner but is town AND TG or jrkirby is scum (which I still agree with on TG) than (2) getmoript either is or isn't a cop, nobody cares, and TAA is scum ? | ||
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On July 24 2013 12:33 FirmTofu wrote: If you were looking at some of the recent posts that you've made from the outside, they would look really odd and difficult to explain. They really look like you're trying to avoid lynching someone who was redchecked while not calling that person town/not distrusting the cop claim.Yeah, TAA and I totally planned his idiotic claim together. I orchestrated it to make both of us look like scum so that we could be lynched in quick succession. What a great fucking idea! You may be town and Lieutenant Angrypants may be wrong in calling you scum, but your whole mindset on things since getmoript's claim has been funky. Everyone else isn't going one way because they're overlooking some likely scenario, imo. Like, again, On July 24 2013 08:06 FirmTofu wrote: It's not just about whether TAA is scum or not (and seriously, that reaction was super duper scummy).No, I don't think it is likely that getmoript is not actually a cop. I'm saying it is a definite possibility considering how adamant he has been about his read of TAA. TAA could definitely be scum but considering that I have nothing to go off of except a cop role claim that may or may not be sane, I'm not willing to blindly follow the train on TAA just yet. If you can convince me of his alignment either way, I will definitely be willing to vote him. You're going to vote someone, you're going to have a scumread SOMEWHERE. So it's not solely a question of whether TAA is town or scum. It's a question of whether you trust a different read of yours SO MUCH that you think it's more likely that read of yours is scum than TAA. All of TAA's posts don't HAVE to be scummy, there may be some things that are difficult to explain. But that's true of everyone (probably), and you're going to have that problem with any lynch candidate, TAA or whoever you would prefer. You're almost hesitating about TAA because he may or may not be scum (before this claim stuff that you jumped on). But that's true of most anyone, and the combination of the possible check + definite reaction is, imo, a much larger indicator of scumdiddlyumptiousness than anything you can point out in another person's filter. Note that his reaction wasn't that getmoript was LYING, wasn't that he's town and doesn't want to bother putting up a fight, but was that getmoript was cheating because he didn't even make a case. He didn't just get called scum and choose not to fight it (initially), he got called scum and responded by saying it was lame and getmoript should have made a case. The problem a townie has with a redcheck on them is "I'm not red." The problem a mafia member has with a redcheck on them is "Boooooooo." | ||
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On July 24 2013 13:09 Onegu wrote: I don't know. Been at trivia last few hours and haven't fully processed the odd RB claim and Tofu's continued insistence that TAA might be scummy but his reaction was totally cool and maybe he's not scum and everyone else should make cases including references to these specific posts.@Austin it looks like you are just explaining to firm why TAA is scum... Does thismake you feel a scumread on Tofu? That started out a much smaller post, and then I kept finding things that I was confused about, but yeah, in some ways that's me overexplaining why TAA is scum. Honestly I mostly want to sit back and watch some of these claims play out. There's a lot of information that we get as to whether these are real or fake claims, and I'm not the most motivated right now to hunt everyone everywhere when I think there's scum getting lynched, which will then inform us about other scum based on the flip and whether he's actually a RB of any alignment, and then we move from there. | ||
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Someone spent a long time either arguing that he wasn't definitely scum or ... something else, calling other people out, not understanding why fake claiming a thing that didn't exist was just a 100% scum tell. It was such a huge distraction and he was so adamant that he was right that I ended up vigging him N1 because I could not believe he was town. Turns out, he was town. We were all scummy on him because he made no sense regarding a claim, but it doesn't make sense to make no sense as mafia when confronted with a claim. It's just not the way to go about trying to save a scumbuddy. So right now I'm unsure, will look over his filter a couple times tomorrow and wait for this flip. | ||
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Just because it isn't good scum play doesn't mean it's not human nature. It's FAR more likely to come from scum because of mindset. | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:12 cDgCorazon wrote: Don't currently find you scummy. Don't think there was ever a moment in which everyone was going to lynch you after TAA.Cause I figured I could catch up to the game. But I can't. And now none of my opinions matter because I've already claimed and you are all going to vote for me if TAA flips scum so... On July 24 2013 22:47 FiveTouch wrote: In a closed setup with a claimed RB on a guy who almost got lynched and then claimed vt during the night, I don't like this conclusion. When your simplest explanation relies on people being dumb, then it opens up LOTS of possibilities. Maybe scum RBed TG because they're dumb. Maybe someone claimed something dumb because dumb. Relying on "cuz dumb" is dumb. Apparently you haven't been reading VE's posts? With the number of blues running around (maybe one is fake, dunno yet) with potentially more hidden away within our ranks, scum not having a roleblocker would be a massive balance issue. Simplest, and most likely correct, explanation is that mafia have a roleblocker and roleblocked Tangeng because they dumb On July 24 2013 23:34 FiveTouch wrote: Awwwwwwww.I would normally leave this to austin because he's so good at it, but: Oats/Cora - ermahgerd, stahp! Oats stop swearing at Cora Cora stop telling Oats to start playing the game and other such stuff. We goooood? ^^ ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 00:52 FiveTouch wrote: You end with the simplest and most likely correct explanation being that mafia have a roleblocker and RBed TG because they dumb.Um, it doesn't rely on dumb, it just doesn't rule out dumb and therefore it is an acceptable explanation. Leans heavily on basic balancing of a game as well. If there's a town roleblocker, a town vigi, 1 (2) town cops, and whatever else, not having a scum roleblocker is... icky, let's say. ~marv I agree that if we have all these blues, it's unlikely we don't have a RB. And a GF. But maybe we don't have all these blues. Maybe we have a town and a scum RB. Maybe town RBed the scum RB. I'm not entirely sure whether I find TG town and rbed because scum dumb more likely that "someone claimed odd because dumb" or "some other dumb thing." Yes, scum RBing town TG isn't purely relying on dumb, but you're relying on dumb for the targeting. You need someone to do something dumb for that to be the case. The moment someone has to be dumb to make your assumption work, other assumptions involving "someone being dumb" are just as supported. I don't like that bit, but it's not for now. | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote: And I the same I generally assume my assumptions and prerequisites are more accurate than yours austin, you know that <3 You honestly should look at the cut down post, though. Just the vote and the reads swapping at the end of the day. | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:18 FiveTouch wrote: Bah, you won't be proven right. If TG is town and was RBed by a scum RBer, I'll just know that the VE half of the hydra was right and you were asleep or something.You see now, more than anything else, I just want to be proven right on this one small point, lol. Tangeng? I promise I will, at a later time. Feel free to poke me about it at various points, I can always tell you to go away. The main reason is that there are things that pull both ways and I could agonise over it and not come to a satisfactory conclusion. One possible way of solving it is, if town is planning to lynch Tangeng, just get everyone to claim if they're town roleblocker. I'm pretty unworried about outing that as a role when there's other more important ones floating about, and it would be genuinely important and useful information to have when deciding whether to lynch him or not. ~marv | ||
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This is all a bunch of nonsense. Keep it in your QT or whatever. On July 25 2013 06:29 FiveTouch wrote: I don't think he's playing to it heavily at all. jrkirby is actually the only sensible shot to take. He's not going to post enough to give us a good read probably, and there's a reasonably high chance he's mafia. ~marv This post is bad, given that I know you refuse to go and actually read TanGeng, even specific posts of his. If you're not actually going to look at everything in the game, don't go telling people what the only reasonable shots are. /momoff | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:12 FiveTouch wrote: Yeah, you've come up with reasons. But you've done so while explicitly not reading his actual POSTS. You've done so by relying on things like "scum is dumb so they RBed a VT." I'm not used to you making reads on people without actually bothering to read them. I'm not used to you jumping on wagons without actually knowing why the wagon exists. And I'm not used to you speculating about what happened before flips based on "scum was dumb."It's not bad for any reason. The fact that jrkirby isn't posting is totally irrefutable, and there's no reason he's town, and I can and have come up with reasons TG is town, as has VE. Not my fault you don't get it as usual. If nothing else, you're concluding that "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT and who almost got lynched" is more likely than "scum decided to RB a scumbuddy to make it look like he was town." I've seen far more uses of scum powers to make scum look better than I have "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT." jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:21 FiveTouch wrote: Unless you'd like to explain how jrkirby and his alignment affect TG's posts D1 or whether he was RBed, then yes, jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things.Not irrelevant at all, and I can't really be bothered interacting with you anymore, it's just mindnumbing. Sorry dear. ~marv Didn't say game. I actually would tend to agree with cora here, that if TAA is scum then TG is. I find it far more likely that this is "let's use this non-KP power on ourselves to make it look like one of us is town" than "let's use this RB on a VT." One has potential upside. One doesn't. One I have seen in games before (and done, to an extent). One I haven't. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:31 FiveTouch wrote: The other point above is legit. This one is sillypants. It works for everything. Then I can just say "Well there's the additional upside to my side of things that by scum claiming VT then other scum roleblocking the claimed VT marv and others will split TAA and TG up." Oh, and the upside to roleblocking TG? You and Corazon tying TAA and TG together. Fuck this is too easy. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:41 FiveTouch wrote: I disagree that you destroyed the argument. I think that maybe scum screwed up and RBed a guy who claimed VT, or maybe scum screwed up and RBed one of their own guys for distance even though he'd claimed VT. As far as other benefits about making people believe things, that's entirely speculative and I don't think anyone would RB to maybe get 2 people to possibly believe something IF they happened to think this one way over just RBing someone and hoping you stopped a blue.So you attack me for not believing one theory over another, I completely destroy the argument you're proposing I should believe in, then you just abandon it because you don't wanna clog? Ok dear. For example, if what cora and I believe is so so so so silly, then doing something so that cora and I tie two people together is EQUALLY silly, that's the flaw in the tying-people-together argument. You think what we're doing is silly, yet you're saying scum might do something to get that result. You're saying scum took a weird action HOPING that people did something you think is silly. On July 25 2013 07:44 FiveTouch wrote: Thing is austin, it's not even that I'm certain about TG being town or anything, I just resent being attacked for not playing "decent" or believing something I shouldn't when the attacks are bogus, or whatever else you were throwing at me. You or VE voted for someone yesterday. Without knowing why the wagon on them existed, seemingly, and without you having read over their stuff towards the end of the day. Sorry, but voting for people without reading them is not something I consider solid play. Even if you weren't around, arguing about someone's alignment without reading them, or at the very least a subset of posts that led them to get a number of votes, is not something I consider solid play. On July 25 2013 07:47 FiveTouch wrote: No. I attack you for using "scum are dumb" as a basis for something because I think that either you consider NO dumb stuff or you have to consider LOTS of dumb stuff. The moment you're willing to patch over a hole in something by saying "maybe someone did something dumb," then you have to look at all the other holes that can be patched over by "maybe someone did something dumb." The moment you're willing to use someone doing something dumb to justify a conclusion, you kind of have to take stock of a number of other conclusions that are possible/likely so long as someone did something dumb.Because the thing is (sorry, my mind's whirring), you've attacked me more than once for basing something on "scum are dumb". You think scum faked a roleblock on a scumbuddy who already claimed VT. That would fall pretty heavily under "dumb", but it's what you're basing your argument around. See the problem here? | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:03 FiveTouch wrote: In all honesty, I don't do really think anything of TAA's claim. The moment he responded to getmoript's DT check claim, he became scum.Just deleted a load of non-helpful crap that went here. Answer me this at least: if TAA had just withered and died without claiming, would that make TG look better or worse? because as far as I can see, you think it makes TG look worse, right? If he flips RB, then I think it's more likely that this is "use an ability on scum for distance" than not, so it makes TG look a little worse. But TG mainly looks bad because he ended the day at x-1 and got a lot of those votes because his D1 actually reads scummy to me. Like, claim aside, his posts were scummy to me. And given that he started picking up votes with a couple hours to spare, and ended x-1, I would expect scum to pop in and lynch him if he were town. A no lynch is fine for them, but they passed up a dead townie if he's town, plus any incremental value of making me/others look scummy for lynching him. Nor do I think you're gonna pick up a bunch of scrutiny when everyone is clamoring for this guy to be lynched and begging people who haven't even read thread to vote him and lynch him. I don't think TAA's claim really does much either way to the alignment. | ||
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(1) scum was already all up on dat lynch (2) scum was worried about being the hammer Everyone was so upset about low involvement, about having a no lynch, that I don't think scum needed to be worried about hammering. On July 22 2013 14:49 phagga wrote: Like, I'm town, I think getmoript is town, I'm not entirely sure about you. You don't seem to think I'm scum, just stupid here, and you don't seem to think getmoript is scum. If TG is town, then wouldn't you expect FirmTofu or JarJarDrinks or BOTH to be scum? Otherwise scum just chose not to put a single person on a town lynch and not drop the hammer?VOTE COUNT: getmoript (1) JarJarDrinks (0) TheAwesomeAll (0) FirmTofu (2) raynpelikoneet, Oatsmaster (1) TanGeng (5) FirmTofu, getmoript, austinmcc, FiveTouch, JarJarDrinks Not Voting: (3) Oatsmaster, Zephirdd, DoctorHelvetica Lynch is in 10 Minutes. Voting is mandatory. With 12 alive, 7 are required to lynch. Currently Noone is set to be lynched! If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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One second on finding when people left thread. TAA left 6:20 before lynch. jrkirby checked in with less than 2 hours to lynch, by the time I'd already started pestering and pushing TG: On July 22 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote: Poking began 5 hours before lynch, and at the point jrkirby posted this,TG had picked up one vote, with me not voting yet but being clearly scummy on TG, and getmoript voting like 10 minutes after this post.So are people saying oats behavior is his standard behavior? Because I' also not loving TG, and if his filter checks scum to me, I might vote for him instead. | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:25 getmoript wrote: In all honesty, if you're paranoid, I'll still be surprised if TAA flips town.Yah, I thought about that. I don't want to get too wrapped up in it. I've been thinking about a number of situations. Like, assume I'm paranoid/insane for a second, then it makes perfect sense to have rolecop and vigilante as town; quite possibly we could even have a town RB. It could just be terribly a terribly ironic situation that unfolded. Like, regardless of whether the check is trustworthy, the reaction to the check ... | ||
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On July 25 2013 10:01 jrkirby wrote: No. If they were pandas, which two would you mate. WTF is up with these animal metaphors? Are you asking which people I think are on the same team? If you only want to mate same-team pandas, that's fine, it's part of the why. | ||
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Also, you left off last night right before lynch saying you'd look into TG. Did you ever do so? Either way, talk a wittle bit about TG please. | ||
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On July 25 2013 11:55 jrkirby wrote: What in particular is "not terrible"? Which posts make you think he's townie, and are there posts that look scummy from D1, but don't overwhelm the townie posts?Honestly, I'm leaning a bit towards town on him right now. Although I would have considered lynching him if I had the chance day 1, not much of his day 1 filter is that terrible. Honestly I don't think the day 1 case on him was really all that great, but then, it's really rare to have a great day 1 case that has any chance of going through. If I looked at this game from an objective standpoint (if I were obs), the only reason I'd think he's scum is if I were scum, because of how the day 1 votes turned out. Unfortunately, the rest of the town doesn't know I'm not scum, but I do. Also, depending on how things turn out with flips of TAA, and who the roleblocker is, I might change my mind. But as of now, I don't think he's any more suspicious than, say, jarjardrinks. (jarjardrinks didn't claim anything, did he? I remember reading something about that, but I don't recall if that was just speculation or something) | ||
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On July 25 2013 12:08 jrkirby wrote: Those are two bad posts from him, okay.These are both bad posts from day 1. But he did try scumhunting day 1 a bit, and usually the town's day 1 reads are bad. Thus because the town BW him on day 1, I think there's a decent chance he's town. Saying that he's scum kinda implies that scum were either bussing him and failed, or they somehow knew me and DrH wouldn't switch onto him. Since I don't currently have a scumread on onegu, and I know that I'm town, I feel that it's unlikely that TG is scum. But you said his filter isn't terrible, and that he tried scumhunting on D1 some. Where are the non-terrible posts or the scumhunting? | ||
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On July 25 2013 15:55 getmoript wrote: I'm around-ish for a couple hours now, and then around later tonight (eastern) before deadline. I also really wanted to claim medic protecting you just to play the WIFOM game, but maybe I'm claiming it now. Suck it, scum, maybe getmoript is protected.@Austin. I have a question for you whenever we're both on again. You best be on tomorrow. BTW, It's my birthday friday, so Scum I would appreciate if you'd let me live one more day so that I can solve this game on my birthday. Whatup? Or do I need to clear a block of time and be around to discuss rather than just get a question fired? On July 25 2013 22:04 Onegu wrote: Need to do some more rereading. Don't like FirmTofu as a shot right now: (1) SUPER HARD "defended" a guy who was clearly getting lynched (2) on SUPER WEIRD grounds. I am more inclined to believe actually that FirmTofu really did have some runin with fake-claiming Ace and that was fresh on his mind. I think a TG shot is fine. Honestly guys for me its 1 jrkirby 2 jrkirby 3 jrkirby 4 firm 5 TG Like to discuss this more with geript and WoS as they are closest thing to confirmed town at this point. Austins thoughts would be welcome also. I think a jrkirby shot is maybe less fine, the conversation I had with him last night was...he was VERY freely saying some stuff that could get him into hot water/make him look scummy. Like, if he's scum, then scum is just saying "I'm townie cuz this guy's posts weren't awful and he scumhunted" followed by not pulling up any not-awful posts and only finding scumhunting with 45 minutes to go in the day because people had been bullying him for reads. I don't count that as scumhunting, and it looks VASTLY different from the last game I saw TanGeng in (as town). To just straight up type those things and post them is, imo, a super mega outrageous plan if jrkirby is scum. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:38 FiveTouch wrote: Nah, I'm not missing it. But I think TG is mafia. I know that's an option, but it doesn't fit into my worldview right now.You're missing the alternative explanation, austin - kirby is scum and knows TG is town, and is bullshitting a read because he knows his alignment. Scum do that you know. It's one reason I'd prefer a shot on TG to kirby though. If TG DOES flip town, kirby looks scummy for his posts. However, if TG flips mafia, kirby unlikely to be mafia IMO. Gets us a flip on a dude who I think is scummy AND informs us about another dude who is scummy. Maybe I just want to be right too | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Sorry oats, but marv has gotten enough douchey sarcasm from me this game, and I feel a bit frisky this morning.jrkirby could be bad scum austin WELL SLAP MY ASS AND CALL ME CHARLIE. I forgot that he could also be bad scum. Heck, he could be third, fourth, fifth party. He might be a co-host. I might live in Antartica. There's a whole lot of things that could be, and I'm ever so thankful that you pointed them out. (Sorry, this is typed with giggles and not angry eyebrows) But, all in all, I just find it far more likely that TG is scum, which makes jrkirby slightly townier in my eyes, not bad scummier. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:42 FiveTouch wrote: Hmmmm. I feel like sometimes we've BOTH been right. I might or might not be imagining those?But austin, you're never right when we have these battles | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:51 FiveTouch wrote: Cough. Cough cough. You cool with the vote post and the reads/scumhunting on D1?I can't remember an instance. But I'm sure it must have happened. Probably. I wouldn't begrudge you being right in this instance, I just think you're wrong. I think TG's posts are townier than jrkirby's. We'll see. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:27 getmoript wrote: Unsure if I'll be back. Can be on 8-9ish from now, but ... you may have stuff.I do but I about to head to lunch for my b-day. Maybe in 4-5 hours? | ||
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Rolecop seems like an odd role for a closed setup. Especially if cora claims he didn't know he was a rolecop, and got back detective on himself. Like...if HE didn't understand what his role was exactly, getting a rolecop check that says "detective" (the role that wasn't clear in the first place) is...not helpful? At all. As in, he apparently only knows he's a rolecop because he checked himself, but he didn't understand that he was a rolecop and wouldn't have except that his check came back with his role. That seems wonky. I also don't terribly understand the need for a rolecop town side if we have a regular cop. Yes, we might have sanity issues, but that's PURE speculation right now, and the rolecop specifically is kinda funky. I know before I said it was a bad fakeclaim for scum, and I still feel that way. But I don't think a rolecop is a bad role for scum in general, especially if scum has a roleblocker. Rolecop helps figure out townie roles for the blocker to block. TG still probably scum, imo. Nothing has changed the fact he hit x-1. He got there because of posts that were scummy, imo, strike one. He didn't get lynched despite being 1 vote away, strike two. The roleblock is kinda strike three. It's a big old pile of WIFOM if you want to mess with it, but the fact is that TG has done more than just get roleblocked. Looked at in the context of the rest of the game, it doesn't unscummy him. Looked at in context, I shade the WIFOM game towards him being scum and being fake RBed for cred. Don't sleep on FiveTouch. Marv can play a perfectly townie looking scum game. So can VE. Two people can be quite active. I also wouldn't trust DT checks on him, and think he's a bad check target, given that some games allow you to assign GF role if there is one, and I'd expect a scum team to plop it in their hands. If 5T isn't dead in 2-3 nights, he needs lynching. People will balk at that, but it's true. Do not leave him for endgame. I dislike jrkirby's answers to some of my questions last night, but again, I think that makes him slightly townie in my eyes. He's somewhat connected to TG's alignment, as is Onegu, but he was so willing to give answers that felt really wrong to me (TG scumhunted D1 when he never posted any scumhunting til 45 minutes before deadline, and even then it was just two basic reads on people that had been talked about plenty), that I don't really see him for scum. Scum probably takes a little more care in answering questions like that or saying things like that, rather than calling some dude town based on super super wonky reasons (Which, damnit, is something I like looking for, and if TG is town then maybe makes jrkirby look weird for it but then jrkirby chose not to lynch so...ugh). Whatever, I got a townie feeling on him. HAS ANYONE READ OATSMASTER'S D3? GO AND READ IT. READ D3 and N3. I still see him putting 0 effort into actually scumhunting. He's throwing a bunch of questions around, but not really doing anything with any of them, and he's just entirely peripheral. I don't care if he wanted to be lazy D1, didn't want to put in effort, whatever. He basically did the same D3, except for poking at people for no reason. Look at his questions and watch for followup: he asks 5T about whether TG is scum if he was actually roleblocked, didn't read the whole discussion on that, doesn't go and find it, absolutely never ever ever ever ever follows up on that bit. He swaps over to playing with cora, but then concludes nothing about cora (Despite noting that rolecop was often a scum role earlier in the day and calling cora a scum rolecop, he's entirely alignment-neutral when just poking at him later during this night phase). | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:38 getmoript wrote: Yes. Pew! Pew pew pew!@Austin... you around? | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: You've got a span of 5-6 posts on cora, a wtf, calling his wording in a post "careful", calling him uncommital. Often, careful/uncommital might indicate you think someone is scummy. I'd consider those poking within the game, given they're often indicia of a specific read.austin scum. SHOOT HIM! VE is not capable of being active as scum. Why are you blatantly lying Austin? Day 3, who was there? None of my scum reads. Austin is super capable of posting long posts as scum. I dont know about cora actually, he made me laugh so thats a towntell. I have no idea where you are going with the 'concludes nothing' considering I didnt even poke him. I didnt follow up on the TG RB thing because there is no way to know if scum RB'ed him or he is scum and they withheld the RB to claim it on him. You see how there is nothing to conclude? If there's nothing to conclude about TG's RB, then there's nothing to ASK. You asked marv whether scum RBing TG made TG still scum. You asked him to point out the posts where this was discussed. But if there's no conclusion to be drawn, there was a never a question to be asked. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:56 getmoript wrote: I think I do, but am always wary with marv. Beyond the basic stuff that rubbed me wrong with marv refusing to read some posts, I just...don't like how their TG read was formed entirely on the roleblock bit which is pure WIFOM, and almost not influenced by posts at all. I don't like how marv notes that TG ending D1 at x-1 votes is the strongest point in favor of him being scum when we were arguing the RB, because...him ending x-1 is sort of a defining point about D1 in general and ought to play into reads.I wanted to make some points on Marv/VE, but honestly I trust them. The only point that you should even consider lynching Marv/VE is if their preferred lynches for the next 2 days are both town, then they're possibly scum. But honestly I'm not seeing it. Marv/VE both supported my TAA push a few times when he easily could've diverted a few different ways. They're both good enough to do that. I consider them obv town, far moreso than austin. If anything, considering lynching them at LYLO but not before... Speak of LYLO. Onegu. Let me repeat myself. DO NOT SHOOT. DON'T SHOOT TONIGHT. DON'T SHOOT TOMMORROW. DON'T SHOOT PERIOD. It just feels like some of 5T's reads are ... somewhat opportunistic. I am interpreting things like that in light of some other reads, and if other reads don't play out like I think they will then 5T isn't as much a worry. But he went straight to townie on oats, went to townie on TG. It's not even all his reads though, as we seem to be somewhat in agreement on FirmTofu. I don't think being willing to call scumbuddies scummy if they warrant it is something that scum 5T wouldn't do. | ||
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On July 26 2013 11:57 getmoript wrote: Nah.@austin. Do you agree with not shooting now, not shooting ever? If not why not? I think that overuse of town KP can be bad, as seen somewhat in Nuclear and PTP and a buncha other games. But in this case, town isn't popping off a buncha folks. We've allegedly got one vigi, and barring this actually being a SK claiming vigi super early on which seems like a bad idea. So given that we're not going to blow away a BUNCHA townies, and are unlikely to lose a power role as we've had a bunch claimed already, I like the idea of a shot. We have enough ?s, and some of the ?s (who are totes mcgotes mafia) inform other ?s. I think firing at scummy guy, getting rid of a lynch option and getting more information, is worth the chance of a townie dying. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:03 getmoript wrote: The towniest townies, or the townies really figuring things out, are gonna get shot. Pow pow dead.No. Accepting a No Lynch means that Scum get to control who gets shot; which means the towniest person in the thread who had 0 chance of being lynched gets gone. The more kills they inform and the more flips they see, the more information they have to work with. It's not the biggest advantage ever, but I'd like super townie people to have more info and hopefully a smaller scum team to hunt down before they die. Reading that, it sounds dumber than it did in my head, but ... whatever. I like shooting dem mans so long as we're not talking about 1/2 the game getting shot. | ||
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I don't think this is a case of a vigi going off half-cocked. I don't love the idea of 100% saying hold the shot a day, but holding a fake double lynch is fine by me. I'd honestly rather have 3 KP and more informed lynches earlier than 3 KP spread out and going towards lategame, where lynches sometimes get...lazy/suboptimal. | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:38 Onegu wrote: Should be 2:20 from now.When is deadline? | ||
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On July 26 2013 12:43 FiveTouch wrote: This deserves a slow clap AND a picture of the "you think this is a game?" cat. Unfortunately, it's a game, so ... the message gets a bit confused.I liked it so much I'm not gonna read it TG. I liked it so much that you're town based on its existence alone, so there's no need to read it. | ||
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austinmcc
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(1) I don't think the setup was imba. We had a 3 man scum team, a scum vigi instead of a 3P source of KP or something, and a very, very strong town team imo. I actually really think that having a hydra, let alone two, town-side, balances out any possible imbalance because we've essentially got bonus townies AND space to discuss things where scum can't see them. (2) Cora, you got a wonky result. I wish you'd either checked with hosts as to what was going on OR posted something specific to thread about your PM. The result you got was wrong, but could have been corrected. | ||
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austinmcc
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If someone says they can't really post, are away from thread, due to a death in the family, and they're not a giant asshat, that means...you just take them at their word? Or does it actually make them town? I was really worried that saying anything specific about why I needed to be gone would end in me being town, and so felt like I had to err on the side of replacing rather than possibly getting super duper townie points for something outside of the game. | ||
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Apparently, if you know someone is red, you're NOT supposed to buddy up to them and try to get them to reveal stuff. Who'dathunk? But yeah, a little more slow-rolling would be nice. I just never have the patience to put something like that together. | ||
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