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Onegu claiming vig doesn't make sense from a scum perspective. Why would scum ever claim? Their whole goal is to lie low. Onegu looks like town who made a newb mistake. I highly doubt he orchestrated this whole claim just for town cred. | ||
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Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles? How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity? I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him. Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist. My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA. TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction. I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts. | ||
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On July 22 2013 11:22 jrkirby wrote: Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time. I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it. If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday. His first scum reads are rayn and TAA. This is important to keep in mind going forward. On July 22 2013 11:52 jrkirby wrote: Well, I read rayn, TAA, and jarjar. Unfortunately, none of them seem extremely scummy on second look. I'm gonna check firmtofu's filter and see if rayn has anything there. God, I'm so bad at seeing scum until the votes come in. He returns 30 minutes later with this post that basically says he has no scumreads now. He also is making excuses for his bad play by downplaying his "mistakes" as newb town. Why does he have such an apologetic tone to all his posts? So far, he has contributed nothing to the thread. On July 22 2013 12:03 jrkirby wrote: Oh, wow, firmtofu looks to have it right on oatsmaster. oats is not saying anything useful: And then he says: . This is just terrible, no reasoning behind his rayn vote. I could be wrong, but I think firmtofu had his vote on rayn then, which makes it double scummy. Anyway, till oats explains himself, my vote is on him. ##Vote: Oatsmaster He then buddies me to push a lynch on Oats. Seems convenient. On July 23 2013 02:01 jrkirby wrote: Oh shit, the train ended and I was stuck without internet on a bus for the next 8 hours, then I slept a bit, and I didn't get to look over TG's case. But I am now back home and can start looking at the thread. At this moment I am not caught up with the thread. He says he will look into TG and will look at the thread. He NEVER fulfills this promise, making it extremely likely that TG and kirby are on a scumteam together and kirby faked AFKness in order to avoid voting him. On July 23 2013 04:11 jrkirby wrote: Ok, I read the thread, and I still think oats is scum. But shit... I kinda caused a no lynch to happen. Really sorry guys. If only I had read tangeng's filter faster. I still haven't read it, but I guess I got plenty of time to do that now. I have even more scumread on oats than I did before. I'm not sure about DrH, I'd prefer to see how he plays tonight and tomorrow before I come to a conclusion on him. Another apologetic post. He again pushes for an Oats lynch, but still hasn't made a post justifying why. On July 23 2013 06:47 jrkirby wrote: What do you mean? I still think Oats is scum, and I still haven't gotten to tangengs filter. I can't spend too much time on this at work, cause I kinda also gotta get work done  ANOTHER post apologizing that he hasn't even looked at TG. This is getting repetitive... I think kirby made the decision to kill rayn specifically to implicate Oats as evidenced by this post right after Night 1 ended. On July 23 2013 15:19 jrkirby wrote: So the guy oatsmaster wanted dead is dead, hmmm. If oatsmaster were really taking this seriously, I might think this a sign that he's not scum. But he's not, so I still think that he's scum. This post solidifies my scumread of jrkirby. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:22 getmoript wrote: Ok I'm with you... What in the actual fuck? Sorry, I meant CDG not TAA. These acronyms are confusing the fuck out of me. | ||
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His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information. While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA. I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles. That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum. | ||
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I think it's possible that you are VT claiming cop in order to push your strongest scumread. Am I right? | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:59 austinmcc wrote: Given TAA's reaction post, you think it's more likely that: (1) getmoript is not actually a cop, fakeclaiming a red check on a scumread of his, who responded in that manner but is town AND TG or jrkirby is scum (which I still agree with on TG) than (2) getmoript either is or isn't a cop, nobody cares, and TAA is scum ? No, I don't think it is likely that getmoript is not actually a cop. I'm saying it is a definite possibility considering how adamant he has been about his read of TAA. TAA could definitely be scum but considering that I have nothing to go off of except a cop role claim that may or may not be sane, I'm not willing to blindly follow the train on TAA just yet. If you can convince me of his alignment either way, I will definitely be willing to vote him. | ||
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I don't think that you are 100% VT and your claim is 100% false. I'm saying its a possibility. In a game of probability such as mafia, we need to be on top of all possible outcomes and this is a possible outcome I think most people have overlooked. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote: claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating I will address this post directly because everyone seems to think I am scum for not addressing it. This post does not reflect well upon TAA, I totally agree. However, I don't think it makes him 100% scum either. He could be newb town that doesn't feel like defending himself in a situation where it's his word against getmoript's. I've been placed in a sort of similar situation in Sicilian and I know how it feels. Ace fakeclaimed and called me mafia, which was a lie. I didn't even feel like defending myself because there was really nothing I could say. It was my word against his. Anyway, like I said, I'm not against lynching TAA. He's still a null-scum read to me, especially after this post. I will look into his filter, give me a few minutes. | ||
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On July 24 2013 08:16 getmoript wrote: @5T. Tofu isn't this obtuse. Tofu is actually a pretty decent player. I can't understand how he comes to his conclusions. He still hasn't answered why he would think I would fakeclaim. I mean what's the point. You would fakeclaim because it's convenient. It's an easy way to push your reads when you don't feel like making a solid case against someone. Your posts prior to your claim are somewhat indicative of this sentiment. You seemed a bit frustrated that no one was agreeing with you about TAA. By fakeclaiming as VT, you could get town on your side relatively easily and lynch someone that you thought was very likely to slip scum. It's a move I would certainly consider if I were in your position as a VT and I genuinely thought TAA was scum. Of course, this is all dependent on the idea that you are very confident in your scum read of TAA. Regardless, I never said you fakeclaiming is the most likely scenario. You probably didn't fake claim, but I'd put the probability around 25% that you did. I think you are probably not lying about your claim and you are probably a cop who got red on TAA. I don't want to bandwagon TAA just yet because of reasons I have stated previously. Your sanity is not entirely clear. We have a "counter" cop claim. I still have yet to see a solid case against TAA. Going to go back to reading TAA's filter now. | ||
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On July 24 2013 08:20 getmoript wrote: And how did you react in Sicilian? Was you're initial reaction like, "Awww man, claiming is cheetor hax" or were you all like, "WTF. I'm Town. Maybe I could be miller. Here's my claim. Herpaderp." Dude puts no effort in this game, looks scummy as hell. You admit he's looks scummy for stuff. You completely disbelieve the most active, thread driving, attention whoring, asshole, douchebag in the thread is town AND question his roleclaim because random bs reason. This is inexplicable if you're town. I think you are confused about where I stand. I have you down as solid town and your claim hasn't changed my read at all. Please read my posts again. Just because I think you lying is a possibility doesn't mean I think you lied as scum. | ||
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When I said it is possible that you fakeclaimed, it was because I was skeptical of how rational your play would be. You have raged plenty of times in the thread and you seem somewhat reliant on your emotions. If I thought you were rational, I wouldn't have said you fakeclaimed. You are wasting your time. I'm town and I'm pretty sure you're town. Start convincing me that TAA is scum instead of asking me stupid questions. | ||
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On July 24 2013 08:44 getmoript wrote: He fucking claimed scum. He's been totally inactive. The 'shots' he's taken have been completely opportunistic. Have you even read his filter? Yes, I have read his filter. Inactivity is not necessarily alignment indicative. Can you make a sophisticated case against him please? I would like these posts specifically to be addressed. On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote: rayns post mortem. Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum. Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum. Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was. Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then. Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote: onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is. The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though. On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day. I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much. Thanks, getmoript. | ||
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On July 24 2013 10:25 getmoript wrote: I don't see how scum can't make any of those posts tofu. I've defended town as scum before. As a matter of fact it's hella common. How do those posts make him town? I never said those posts make him town. I wanted you to convince me that he was scum while considering those posts specifically. Doesn't matter, he claimed blue. He's done himself in. | ||
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