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On July 29 2013 20:50 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 20:38 Vivax wrote:On July 29 2013 20:23 Onegu wrote:
Yes he was checked green by cora. Which doesnt mean to much with sanitys but just feels like after day one he has played pro townie. Also he claims he was roleblocked night 1, and after the scum roleblocker died no more rb claims were made, which makes it likely he was telling the truth, and I dont see scum roleblocking thier own player. I claimed fake roleblock as scum,too. Do you think scum had a good reason to roleblock the guy who just survived D1? If anything, he had a good reason to fake a roleblock on himself. We don't know sanities. All we know is that this guy has NOT been lynched by scum D1. Hey, all I know is that: Scum TAA didn't vote for me. But he was also not active in the thread. Also jrkirby and Onegu (DocH) didn't vote for me. But, hey if scum Tofu/Vivax voted for me then, two of the three scum would have been on my bandwagon.
Very good. You bring up a point I hadn't considered.
If jkirby is indeed scum, then you are scum too. In no way can you save yourself if we can prove that two scummers didn't get you lynched D1.
It's in your best interest to not let jkirby get lynched if you are scum actually.
Let's see how you like it when I vote for him.
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I don't know. Does it matter if he calls it a policy lynch?
He suggests me and FT are scum. I didn't particularly like FT's reaction after Cora flipped, but his DT claim seemed rather unnecessary, I'll have a look at his previous play and see if it makes sense.
As for me, I'm not scum.
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG.
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There was pretty interesting stuff going on in the first pages of the game.
I might have to rethink FirmTofu.
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I need opinions on this particular exchange, notice how FirmTofu doesn't suspect TAA for the scummy attack at all:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Vayne got banned insulting SNM, haha. That's unfortunate.
I'm hoping we can start Day 1 off constructively with lots of discussion and no fluff.
Anyone out there yet? Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right? Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 16:16 FirmTofu wrote:On July 20 2013 15:19 getmoript wrote:
What sort of things do you want to discuss? Are you mafia? FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up! Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. On July 21 2013 08:00 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2013 23:00 TanGeng wrote:
FiveTouch is Marv/VE?
We must lynch this Redville scum and take revenge for the mayor!!!
Down with FirmTofu!!!! Up with SilkenTofu!!!
Constructively discussing? Are we dreaming about a different type of forum mafia. If we wanted constructive discussion, might as well lop off about 24 hours of time and get closer to the voting deadline. Beginning of games is always fluffy and I like fluffy.
Fluff=bad You get scum points, sir. Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 03:32 getmoript wrote:On July 21 2013 03:00 FiveTouch wrote:
It's a very real fake vote meant to express my willingness to fake-lynch rayn. Sup?
Also geript no, I'm not on right now. I'll probably be on later though, in case you...you know...had anything you wanted to say. You wanna say something alignment indicative for me. Because otherwise I really want to lynch you because both Hydras can't be town. Why can't both hydras be town? You get scum points, sir. Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 04:02 getmoript wrote:On July 21 2013 04:00 FiveTouch wrote:On July 21 2013 03:43 getmoript wrote:On July 21 2013 03:35 FiveTouch wrote:
Apart from anything else we're a replacement. So it's just full on retarded straight up.
And creating some false dichotomy based on nothing. Yuk yuk yuk.
~marv I'm not talking to you Marv. I can't read you for shit. As a matter of fact I don't think I've played a game with you other than the other hydra game. Put VE back on the line. You're serious? You say something horrendous and then just say you're not going to interact with me? How about some motivation, because you're being disgusting so far. ##Vote: getmoript Are you an idiot Marv or just scum? I told you I can't read you versus shit. I read people far better when I've followed/played in more games with them. Hell I still don't have a read on you in Ver's game. You just mad because I'm more gay ripped than you? Why would you want to glean information from only one half of the hydra? Why are you asking for less information to work with? You get scum points, sir. Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah WoS, i am scum, what was the point of your question?
I don't think there is anything scummy in thread atm. Just stopped working and read the thread. Lemme drink a couple of beers so i can start playing. ^^
Oats why are you so silent? You claimed scum. You get scum points, sir. Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think Austin is town. I am so confused. You think Austin is town but you don't explain what makes you think that why. Why say it at all? You get scum points, sir. On July 21 2013 08:04 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up!
Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell. I have 3 posts in the entire thread. Someone's angry about something. On July 21 2013 23:06 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2013 11:24 getmoript wrote:
If there's a goddamn vigilante in this game and you shoot at all in this game I swear I will rage so fucking hard against you in the post game it's not even going to be goddamn funny. Closed setup. Nothing fucking known. Don't fucking kill town. I don't want another fucking repeat of Nuclear. I fucking hate playing as town because I always fucking lose. Goddamn this shit. this post is so weird, fake outrage from nowhere, no real message "plz only shoot the mafia", if i could i would lynch only geript but for now ##vote: getmoript would do. Im fairly sure either FiveTouch or getmoript is scum but since they attacked each other a bunch its probably not both, and since FT has been doing the attacking and getmoript has been backpaddeling as soon as he gets any heat im leaning towards him.
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Yeah it's quoted from D1.
Tofu's D1 play was god awful, I'm currently @ P17. The point where he posted those lists and picked a random dude, ugh.
It doesn't sit right with me at all how TAA attacks him early, FT ignores him, and TAA's attacks have no followup.
Rayn, the NK, also had a hard-on for lynching him.
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Just going by D1 I'd want to lynch Tofu now.
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On July 23 2013 04:11 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, I read the thread, and I still think oats is scum. But shit... I kinda caused a no lynch to happen. Really sorry guys. If only I had read tangeng's filter faster. I still haven't read it, but I guess I got plenty of time to do that now.
I have even more scumread on oats than I did before. I'm not sure about DrH, I'd prefer to see how he plays tonight and tomorrow before I come to a conclusion on him.
Jeez this guy.
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This N1 post is actually very townie, I like it, he tries to stop having town discuss another townie, and directs discussion towards other targets.
On July 23 2013 08:35 FirmTofu wrote:
The whole bit where people attack Oats for not giving a shit is a waste of time. Whether you attack him or not, he isn't going to start suddenly giving a shit.
Vigi him if you have to. Stop wasting time talking to him.
For the lynch tomorrow, TG is the only viable choice. He's been scummy all game long and needs to be exterminated. His death would also provide us invaluable information about jrk and DrH, maybe even Oats.
As for where discussion should go..., I think we should be talking about people like TAA and JJD, maybe rayn as well. There are people who are currently sitting in the null-scum territory for me and are likely to scumslip when pressured. I'm going to go through their filters and see if I can find some dirt on them.
This post isn't very good. It's inconclusive, althuogh it doesn't automatically try to damn Zeph for what he did. I don't like that it isn't opinionated at all though.
On July 23 2013 06:44 jrkirby wrote:
Ok, well I see it this way: Zeph didn't post at all, meaning it wasn't purposeful lurking, he just was completely AFK. That tells me nothing about alignment.
The post you quoted in particular shows a town perspective overview of the thread, but isn't enough for me to get a solid read on him yet. I really have to see how he acts during day 2, and doubt that he would make a good day 2 lynch unless his play becomes absolutely terrible.
This one is for you, Onegu. Tell me what you think of this, knowing your own alignment.
On July 23 2013 10:51 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 07:11 FiveTouch wrote:
That's just your opinion though rayn and you can't profess to know what the scumteam's opinion on the matter is unless you're on the scumteam right?
From my perspective, a no-lynch is an INCREDIBLE boon for the scumteam, ESPECIALLY if TG is town. Because now everyone's eyes are on TG for TOMORROW'S lynch right? By DEFAULT.
But anyway, that's just MY opinion, and it's regarding DocH who is either replacing out or getting modkilled or providing further content later, so it's whatever. Really? Scum would refuse a mislynch served on a platter for them? Especially with how Geript blew up at DocH for that. Sheeping as scum would be the lowest risk play ever. Just do it and continue to fly under the radar. DocH is very unlikely to be scum, ok!? Your idea is that scum takes a shot at saving a town and while preserving lynch-bait? Weight the risks and rewards, there. Look at the heat on DocH. It's not even close.
Continuing soon
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I think we can assume that if there was still another cop out there he'd have claimed already. So that means if tofu is bad then there's exactly 3 cops (legit, insane, paranoid). Meaning the only type of cop missing is a naive one. Seems odd.
How do we know that the setup has to feature a type of each cop? You feel like you have to fill up a remaining gap, but we really can't know if there has to be one type of each cop.
- Why after 2 DT claims would scum think that making a 3rd DT claim would be a good play. The play is suicide and would have probably resulted in an autolynch if 5T doesn't immediately claim behind him. And it wasn't like he made the claim when he was about to get lynched.
The bolded isn't true at all. People wouldn't autolynch him for a third claim, just like they didn't autolynch 5T for the fourth.
The claim makes sense to defend himself from the TAA defense and to push a lynch on Cora.
That he wasn't about to get lynched is irrelevant if it helps him reach his objective.
He couldn't know if there was a fourth DT either, maybe he assumed all DT's claimed at this stage in the game.
- He somehow predicted that all the cops got the exact same role PM. How could he have known that? There's no reason to think that was the case. He could only have made a really lucky guess. ANd even if he had made that guess, why volunteer that extra information because if he was wrong, he'd have been exposed as soon as cora was killed.
Scum could have gotten fakeclaims and known how the role pm looked.
I really dislike basing reads off all of this cop shit. What I see is mostly scummy D1 play so far, although that last post I mentioned made him look a little better. I'd prefer if we kept all this role stuff out while discussing if he's scum.
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On July 30 2013 23:03 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG. If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period.
Assume FT is scum and I'm not.
Who is your guess then.
What do you think is JK's alignment?
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Hey FT.
You said TG's reaction makes him scum.
That would mean you don't mind switching to him, I take?
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On July 30 2013 23:44 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2013 23:03 TanGeng wrote:On July 30 2013 19:02 Vivax wrote:
Basically, if jrkirby is scum, this is game over for TG. If jrkirby is town, the game is over, period. Assume FT is scum and I'm not. Who is your guess then. What do you think is JK's alignment? Vivax: About assuming FT scum and you not. Don't do this to me... plz. I'm trying to forget/ignore 8 or 9 separate pieces of evidence right now and it's not working...
Overall: I think jrkirby is town via process of elimination but is playing an absolutely disgusting game. One comment and completely lurking, again.
Austin's play until N1 isn't really scumlike at all.
My play isn't scumlike, I'm still trying to figure out the game.
I'm evaluating if you're not trying to WIFOM town into believing jkirby is your scumbuddy, cause you're trying hard at doing that.
Given FT said you're scum, I'll attempt a switch to you.
He should not be afraid of that at this point.
Anyway, you'll have to consider some other option besides me cause I'm not scum.
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That said, anyone who believes jrkirby is scum must also believe TG is scum.
But if jrkirby isn't scum, then FT could be scum with TG.
Hence it's kinda safer to lynch TG first.
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Being wrong or right does not always a scum make.
You just posted half a book about how to distuingish scum from town based on how they push their reads.
Then you summarize instances of austin being wrong about scum.
I take it you don't want to answer who would be your other guess for scum if I'm town. Fine.
@Thread
Do you think jrkirby is scum? Then you think two scum didn't vote TG d1, making him most likely scum.
Can you exclude that FT (or Onegu) is scum?If yes, feel free to vote jkirby, if no, you should vote TG.
In any case, I think it's safer to vote TG first, cause he is scum in most of the likely scenarios.
Unless you know for sure what Onegu's and jrkirby's alignments are, then you can't explain why TG has been left alive D1.
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On July 31 2013 02:54 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 02:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Vote: TanGeng
Yeah I'm much more comfortable w/ a TG lynch for what vivax stated. Not because I think tofu is potentially scum but because Onegu potentially is. I think the 2 most likely scum teams are kirby/TG and Onegu/TG so a TG lynch makes sense. And it doesn't make sense that a scum vivax would make this play to save a scum jkirby because he could just let jkirby get lynched and then TG would be the autolynch the next day. How can you think that onegu could be scum still?
Wtf dude.
Is that the only question you feel like asking in your situtation?
I mean, if you make it clear that you disagree, who do you think could TG still be scum with if it isn't you or onegu?
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On July 24 2013 10:11 Onegu wrote:
Good Morning. So TAA totes scum, I made a case on him earlier plus a red check which I dont think was faked, add in the random rb claim.
##:VOTE TAA
I fail to see where Onegu made a case on TAA earlier, he said something about lynching multiple people then only pushed Oats.
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On July 31 2013 03:13 jrkirby wrote:
It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).
Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.
Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.
Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.
I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.
TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT.
Good, we're making progresses.
What makes you so sure FT is actually cop?
Can you give me a summary of reasons for why you think I'm scum? As condensed as possible or as extended as you want.
Why do you think are me and JarJar pushing the wagon away from you when everyone else wants to lynch you, if we were scum?
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On July 31 2013 03:17 jrkirby wrote:
Do you really think that scum had an extra bullet in this setup? at least 2 completely useless cops, no doc, no town rb, no jk, but scum has an extra bullet?
You mean, scum having a vigi?
There are setups with scum vigis, it's no sci-fi
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On July 31 2013 03:29 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 03:19 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2013 03:13 jrkirby wrote:
It's pretty obvious that there were 4 cops (FT was one), and a vig (onegu).
Ok, look at day one: austin and JJD were trying to lynch TG, but they just couldn't get a majority because TAA was AFK.
Day two, they didn't know anything about the cops, so they assumed the getmoript check on TAA was legit. They distanced themselves from TAA in order to save themselves.
Day three they had it easy because we were dead set on lynching one of the cops.
I'm not scum, and TG isn't my partner. We're at mylo. If we don't lynch tonight, onegu is going to die. we need to lynch vivax tonight.
TG, what happened to your vivax/Firmtofu combo? I think you were right about vivax, and if I wasn't so sure that there's 4 cops, I'd think you're right about FT. Good, we're making progresses. What makes you so sure FT is actually cop? Can you give me a summary of reasons for why you think I'm scum? As condensed as possible or as extended as you want. Why do you think are me and JarJar pushing the wagon away from you when everyone else wants to lynch you, if we were scum? There's three cops with varying sanity. 4 possible sanity choices. Really, it just makes sense for there to be a fourth. I was really suspicious of firmtofu's actions before, but the cop claim actually makes sense. I kinda with the cops had mass claimed day 2 because it would've made this game so much easier to figure out and scum don't have 4 bullets a night. they've been shooting cops every night since then anyway. I think you're scum mainly by process of elimination. Onegu isn't scum, FT isn't scum, I'm not scum. If TG is scum, either you or JJD put him soooo close to dying day 1. For that, and a myriad of other reasons: TG isn't scum. There's two scum left, you and JJD. If you and jarjar are scum, all you have to do is get a mislynch. You honestly don't care who. it could be me, it could be TG. This game ends tonight if we lynch wrong.
Would you rather get lynched yourself before voting TG with me and JarJar?
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What's funny about this if you and TG are scum is that your odds would be higher if TG got lynched first, cause that would leave Onegu open as scum option.
For town it's beneficial too cause it buys us time and is a safer choice.
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