I've played a little mafia on other forums in the past, and watching esports mafia made me decide to stop lurking and play in a game. Assuming players are still needed ofc.
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I've played a little mafia on other forums in the past, and watching esports mafia made me decide to stop lurking and play in a game. Assuming players are still needed ofc. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:55 Umasi wrote: Superfluous, do you have any current scum reads? At the moment no, as I said I was gone for a couple hours then came back and just skimmed through the thread . I mean to go through it again in more detail once I'm finished defending myself or w/e. Two things are on my mind though. One is that I think you are town (not just to suck up to you b/c you are pressuring me). Reasons being that in my personal experience those who are most aggressive are generally town, and also that this is a semi-noob game so I'm unsure if a mafia would have the confidence to go out and control the game/ put pressure on early on. Another thing is that I dont think I've seen much (if anything) from Cloud 9. He may be in same situation as me and I'll give him Benefit of the doubt though. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:59 Chromatically wrote: Superfluous looks really bad, he's been apologetic in his posts (not trying to rock the boat) and has only said what others have already said. It looks like he's trying hard to find anything to post about because he wants to look active. It's extremely odd that he specifically points out Cloud-9 as opposed to any of the other players who haven't posted. This shows pretty clearly that he's not trying at all to find scum, he doesn't even know who hasn't posted. Also looking at Kirby. Lurkers be lurking. As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. | ||
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As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him. | ||
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That said ##Vote Xzavier Because I'm going to a concert tonight and may be up late/ sleep in so I don't want to forget to vote. | ||
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On July 14 2013 05:17 Umasi wrote: You could also be trying to relieve pressure from yourself because you're scum /gasp You literally just told us "I have not been scumhunting, I am just trying not to die" It goes without saying that I could be relieving pressure from myself because I'm mafia. If I pointed it out in my post it would just seem like I'm prematurely covering for myself and change nothing. Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say I haven't been scumhunting I said I haven't gotten a read a feel confident enough to push a lynch for. And obviously I'm trying not to die, everyone doesn't want to die day one regardless of alignment. Both because it would hurt your team and you wouldnt get to play as long. | ||
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On July 14 2013 06:52 hzflank wrote: To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be 1) Stay Alive 2) Find a person to vote for 3) Find justifications for voting That is how scum plays and that is not how town plays. ##Vote: Superfluous Okay I have a decent amount of things to say starting with responding to this. As I said was at a concert last night etc. Firstly I agree with Chroma's response to this, these are everyone's priorities especially early on. Mafia and town play very similarly because they both want to be viewed as town (obviously). Not only that, but you are are completely wrong about the last two points anyway. If you look at my posts I pretty explicitly state that I have reads but that I didn't feel confident enough to vote yet. The reason I voted was because I didn't want to get modkilled for not voting b/c I was exhausted from real life activity and ended up sleeping until like 4 pm. How can you say one of my main priorities is finding a person to vote for when my very first post brought up the idea of no lynching. My reads on you and Xzavier have been half based on your actual writing and half based on gut, and I don't quite expect to be able to convince everyone else to vote for either of you yet. Especially when Xzavier has barely posted anything. | ||
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This post Guys, we need to get our shit together if we want a lynch. Don't forget we need at least 7 people on 1 guy. Both look perfect targets, let's try to come to a consensus now so that the more inactive people can follow us if they pop in. I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case. Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead. and this post Can we get a Super lynch going? Chromatically could you please consider this? Don't you think that Kirby is better for town if both Kirby and Super are at this point equally scum? Kirby posts much better than Super, if Kirby is scum I feel like it will be easier to catch him later on than Super. I see that you guys (StiM, Croma) are thinking that I am scum. It's fine by me, we can discuss it later, I am not going to stop posting, I am during Europe times online A LOT, you can keep grilling me. Both set off alarm bells for me even though I can somewhat see where they could come from in a town position. The logic in bold makes very little sense to me and those are also super-leading questions trying to get Chroma to turn on me. Also thanks to Chroma for understanding my logic/playstyle. You can never trust someone in mafia but you at least defended me when I was gone. | ||
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After one post pressure was put on me, so I didn't have time to try and establish innocence before trying to staying alive. | ||
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It'd be a risky claim by maf but there's no definitive role list so we can't be certain that you're telling the truth, even if you probably are and this is just a bad play. | ||
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. It struck me the wrong way, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. . At this point gut feelings play a major role in reads. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote: @Superfluous Can you post a list of your Town and Scum reads like kirby did in case you die tonight? Town: Chroma Umasi Hurricane (mostly because I really like this post) I did have that post calling you out earlier but you havent done anything similar since. Stimaddict (bad play revealing role but w/e) Jrkirby, though now I would lynch him to save myself seeing as its definitely coming to that. Maf: Xzavier Koshi Insert Lurker here Hzflank (weakest tho) I'll point out again how hard koshi is going on me and in some ways trying to distract from jkirby/discredit chroma. If Either of them flip maf I'd be suspicious of the other, though the same could be said of me and chroma I suppose. | ||
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If there is a cop, I feel an obligation to point out that it is more important to check active people who are pushing hard than it is to check lurkers. It is generally a better policy to lynch lurkers and check actives than to lynch actives and and check lurkers. Also, the Mafia WANT people who are difficult to read in the end game to cause confusion amongst the town, and having a cop check on these people can win the game for town. It is also dangerous if someone like Umasi or Chroma are mafia and go unchecked, because they are controlling the conversation and pushing hard on people. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote: I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not? I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen? That post is so scummy/ baiting. I've clearly demonstrated a basic knowledge of mafia and it goes without saying I would claim if needed/true. Suggesting I role claim gains nothing. Plus, if you thought there was a possibility I was blue, why the fuck would you push for my lynch? Clearly you believe it's a possibility because you suggest it about me but didn't when jkirby was at 6 votes. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:15 Koshi wrote: I actually didn't know kirby was leading atm. I don't understand how this change happened but it happened. When I made the post I was at 7 votes, and I was referring to 15 minutes earlier when Kirby was at 6, not now when kirby is at 6. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:21 Nightcat99 wrote: and i disagree with the role claim because if they are going to die theres no reason for the scum to know we are missing a blue or if there are enough scum vote to save them last sec and switch to someone else that would be worst, cause now they can get 2 people Huh? The roles flip after death so they would know anyway.... | ||
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One good thing is that we didn't lose a blue despite the double kill in the night. Regardless of which one they killed, I'm surprised at the mafia's choice of kill. If they killed Koshi it strikes me as weird because pretty much everyone thought he was pretty scummy and thus he may have been a good mafia deflection as a lynch target today. Rainbows is weird to me not because he was especially scummy, but because if they were going to kill people who were trying to lead the town they would've been much better off killing umasi/hurricane because they have been the ones controlling the conversation and putting on pressure more than rainbows. Thoughts on cop claiming if he got scum? Normally I wouldn't suggest it right now, but there is additional risk with 2 kp. | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:00 Xzavier wrote: well shit 2 of my 3 top scumreads just died, leaving 1 alone at the top: sup super. ##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS this will be removed once you start some LIGIT scumhunting none of that "vote for one guy, make a case on another guy" bullshits okay? if i dont think youve done an adequate job/you look more scummy as the day goes on expect this to stay, and a case to be made along with it. I get the feeling you barely even know what you are saying. It's like you see when other people raise criticisms of me then copy them exactly. Also, it feels SO SCUMMY that you and Umasi are so quick to vote an hour into the day. Don't forget that after the jkirby lynch a decent amount of town said that they felt it was too easy and a town-town lynch, including rainbows who is dead and proved town. I'd also like to go back on what I said about umasi. Generally I feel it is a good, pro-town move to put pressure on people and get info from them. On day one he pushed me and jrkirby and it didn't work out. Now that's not the worst thing in the world, but then that he immediately goes back and puts pressure on me instead of forcing info/ reads from other people which is much more productive. It's fine that I'm his biggest scum read and he wants to vote for me, but why the rush to vote? It doesn't make him scum, but I don't feel he's clearly town anymore. | ||
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Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf. I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh. I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind. I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town. | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:41 Xzavier wrote: an hour and 12 minutes before the deadline. called it. who are you voting son and why shouldnt we lynch you? Voting for Gotard, and it's hard to give you a reason not to lynch me. I could be maf just lurking and lying about being sick. I haven't contributed anything substantial. But now that I am back I will start to contribute reads etc. and posting more (way more). What I'd say is lynch Gotard today, and then if you guys feel I don't contribute you could lynch me the next day. That puts extra pressure on me to contribute because I believe tomorrow could be mislynch and lose if Gotard is town. | ||
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On July 18 2013 07:50 Xzavier wrote: Yeah, it fucking sucks though because alakazam came out of nowhere being batshit crazy and makes me want to lynch him almost as much as i want to lynch you. Im looking at it like this: at LYLO do i want: PLAYER A: posts a good amount and makes zero sense and gives you headaches PLAYER B: lurks and contributes minimally. however i like your point about umasi. and what made umasi a more obvious NK target then chrom or hurricane? Initially Umasi was spreading out the pressure more than chrom or hurricane, who were both tunneling a bit more. It's bad for mafia to have a town leader who asks questions from everyone because it raises the chances of mafia been found out. Not necessarily through scum slips but through sheer information and reads. | ||
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On July 18 2013 08:56 Umasi wrote: haha thank you for pointing that out (about me) you're absolutely correct! I've been lazy! I was not leading town, the way I've been playing is NOT leading town. I just pipe up and throw my thoughts in there wherever I feel they're necessary, which is pretty much whenever I read the thread. I've been at the computer less constantly than I was for day one, though. That said please make something of it compared to just muttering about it~~you can feel whatever you want. Does this make me a scumread of yours? No it doesn't make you a scumread, it makes you less town. I like to point out things I notice not because they are inherently scumreads but in case you become a scumread to me or anyone else later we can go back and use this as a reference. | ||
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On July 19 2013 02:13 Hurricane Sponge wrote: I'm struggling with this comment. Gotard threw this out right before he was lynched. His death looked inevitable to me, although I suppose he could have thought there were going to be shenanigans at the deadline. The takeaways from this comment's inconsistency with his recent read of Superfluous being a scum read break down into a 2x2 grid: The two variables are Super is Scum / Super is Town, and Gotard Thought He Could Live / Gotard Knew He Was Dead. Matrix below: ------------------------- Super is Scum / Gotard Thinks He Can Live: 1.) Gotard thinks he can live; he and Super are scum. Throws out a new Town read on Super as protection instinct. Solo votes Nightcat. Super is Scum / Gotard Knows He Will Die: 2.) Gotard knows he's going to die; thinks giving Super a Town read on a scumbuddy is a good play for some reason (help with this please?). Super is Town / Gotard Knows He Will Die: 3.) Gotard knows he's going to die (and flip red) and is trying to mindrape us into thinking Super is his scumbuddy by creating this new association so close to his flip. (Is it too sophisticated a play to assume from Gotard?) Super is Town / Gotard Thinks He Can Live: 4.) Gotard thinks he can live; he knows Super is town. (I cannot come up with a plausible explanation for his comment.) ------------------- Now, we obviously can't rule anything out based on Super's alignment (because we don't know it!) right now, but we might be able to speculate on whether we think / can find evidence of whether Gotard knew he was doomed last night or if he thought he could somehow avoid the day's lynch. At first blush, I feel like Gotard didn't realize how much of a slam dunk lynch he was. He was still throwing out passive accusations, and (sort of) playing the game. There were no martyr posts, no attempt to defend the accusations against him, and he may not have realized just how much trouble he was in. The last post that I'd call a 'defense' came timestamped July 17th, 20:11. When he posted it, there were only 3 votes on him. Once the hz, 'slam, Gotard and Nightcat votes come in on him (early timestamp July 18th 1:12 - 4:00) Gotard doesn't post another formal defense for the rest of the game. I know that play this poor this may seem hard to believe to some of us, but based on the quality of Gotard's play to this point, I believe it's possible he didn't know how super screwed he was. His last post comes 2.5 hours before Superfluous' vote on him, so it's possible that with Super gone from the mafia QT for most of Day 2, Gotard was flying solo or at least down a man when he was posting. I'd like people's thoughts on this line of thinking. Did it seem to you like Gotard knew he'd be lynched yesterday? I know it's somewhat moot to point this out, but as I am town I believe #3 (fixed for you since you listed 2 twice lol) is the most likely scenario. Maybe Gotard wasn't that strong of a player, but that doesn't mean his mafia buddies couldn't tell him to give a town read on me in order to get me lynched. If he really thought he could live, the best way to do so would've been to convince town I was more scummy than he was, which he didn't even try to do. Now if we were both maf and one of us were definitely gonna get lynched it would make sense he wouldn't switch onto me. However as maf I would be furious he put me as town read/ told him not to do that. I'd also like to point out that both Umashi and Xzavier immediately voted for me on day 2, when the town as a whole seemed somewhat more inclined to vote for Gotard than for me, which we did. | ||
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On July 19 2013 02:49 hzflank wrote: There are 9 players left in the game and it is the night phase. Why do you give 5 town reads, 1 weak scum read and then passively FoS the other 2 players? If there are things that you do not like about me then this is the time to explore them, as opposed to just giving your town reads. I felt the exact same way, was gonna post same thing. Would you consider those not on this list scum reads through process of elimination? | ||
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I am really weirded out that people are going on onegu. Maybe it was some super-weird meta play by stim but he claimed veteran and I'm inclined to trust him. Only way to confirm would be to check with detective (which we now can't) or shoot him if we had vigi which would be super-risky. | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:12 Nightcat99 wrote: but the roleblocker, gotard died yesterday, there is 2? geez this game is confusing, i would not have called hzflank a scum..... and i wish , we knew who sponge checked, he shall have posted his checks since it was very likely he was going to die. We have town jailer or umasi is lying. If umasi is telling the truth then he isn't sk or maf since two died last night. Time will come for town jailer to claim if they exist, but I don't think it's today. Sponge only had one night to check. Either his strongest read was based on check or he checked someone who died. | ||
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This whole time I interpreted vt as veteren. I've always typed out vanilla town. Plus, I mean, what the hell is the point of claiming vanilla town. It does nothing except cause suspicion on you and scream out "I'm not a blue role!". I never thought someone would claim that. | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:17 Umasi wrote: StiM never claimed vet. ....I think. I thought we all got that he was vt, or vanilla town, out of that right? Also, I thought in my other posts I pointed this out and no one called it out.... Guess I didn't make it clear enough. | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:28 Xzavier wrote: so now we know that there is a town JK still alive, thats really good for us. time to filter dive hurricane and hzflank. I'd say there's no guarantee of jk being alive, but it would be a pretty dumb play by maf to fake claim this. Mods, are we able to know if there to be a town jk, would they have a document with the person they block? Other games I played have had this. | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:34 Superfluous wrote: I'd say there's no guarantee of jk being alive, but it would be a pretty dumb play by maf to fake claim this. Mods, are we able to know if there to be a town jk, would they have a document with the person they block? Other games I played have had this. Not being alive, of there being a jk. Woops | ||
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On July 19 2013 09:37 Xzavier wrote: i get what your saying with the first half, and i seriously dont think anybody to be stupid enough to fake-claim after seeing the Rolebloker die. Thats a silly play and would get lynched the next day if nobody else said anything (unless the JK hit teh SK and there was only 1 NK) i didnt follow your green text in the slightest In other games I've played, when jailer roleblocks someone they also get to have a private conversation with them. It's like "oh you're in my jail so let's talk without anyone else knowing." For instance cop could claim under this situation without fear of being outed. It would be useful to know, but I don't think that's how it works here. | ||
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Here are my thoughts, firstly we are in a really good position right now. Umasi is pretty much confirmed town to me not just because he was roleblocked and came out with it but because hz seemed to be lining up a lynch for him today. I believe Hurricane had a strong town read on him as well. We also most likely have jk, who I don't think should claim today but should probably claim tomorrow. We also have the chance if we don't lynch maf/sk today that one could kill the other during the night, especially with a decently low number of players left. I think Xzavier is far and away the best lynch today. Keep in mind he didn't even vote for gotard until he already had eight votes on him. Nightcat's observation is notable as well, especially considering I called out both Xzavier and hzflank early on and they both pushed for my lynch. I would've thought that they would mention each other somewhere. I am also unsure why he continues to push for my lynch. I understand I haven't been the most effective town player but right now it feels to me like he's grasping at strings from day one and not paying attention to what's more relevant now. I'd also like to lay out best-case and worst case scenarios. I also think it's important to talk about the math at this point to fully understand our situation. Best case scenario: We lynch maf. At night jk (assuming we have one) roleblocks sk, no night kills, jk claims we lynch sk gg. OK I changed my mind, I wrote out worst case scenario and realized I was basically spelling out how mafia/ sk could win. nvm just think of this to yourselves lol. | ||
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If it's definitely between me and nightcat, I'd only ask we lynch nightcat first then you can lynch me the next day. It would shorten the game by 72 hours lol. | ||
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On July 22 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote: At the point of my death, I had Super as Cop (with a N1 guilty check on Xzav), Sponge as JK and Umasi as SK. I also had Rainbows as Vet on D1. Yeah, if you look through my filter knowing who's who you could interpret my posts as fake soft-claiming cop. I do this a decent amount because it can make mafia waste a kill on me instead of going after real cop. Didn't work out too much this game because I had so much pressure on me early. Also, my first two and top scumreads were hzflank and xzavier. Too pro. | ||
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On July 22 2013 07:56 Hurricane Sponge wrote: If I had interpreted your soft-claim, I would have hard claimed and pushed for your lynch. Which would have ended up with both of us dead. Thinking about it more, I wouldn't call it soft claim. It's more giving out a fake read I guess. Mafia is looking for cop and trying to get a read on them. I didn't soft claim so much as talk about cop a lot and the importance of cop. I don't think I ever did something as blatant as when alak soft claimed jailer. | ||
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