Newbie Mini Mafia XLIV - Page 8

On July 16 2013 02:08 hzflank wrote:
@Koshi:

How did you get from Super being scummy to wanting to sheep because you have 'no targets that need to get lynched now'?






Why did Kirby and Super both look like perfect targets?

What specifically made Kirby become a bad target when you later defended him?

How did you get such a solid town-read on Sponge and Umasi that you were willing to just sheep them? You were so sure of your town reads that you even encouraged others to sheep them.



With more than seven hours until the deadline, why should everyone need to pick one of two targets?

On July 16 2013 02:39 Onegu wrote:


Good luck to anyone with alakaslam.

And to be fair my coach mentioned concedeing in scum qt before I thought about it.

On July 16 2013 04:45 hzflank wrote:


That's fine, but also very risky on day 1. I had town reads on Umasi and Rainbows too, but I did not trust them.

It might be worth discussing how to avoid this in future. For example, perhaps we could ask everyone to lock in their votes an hour before deadline, and no one is allowed to change as long as there is a majority. If there is not a majority then it gives us say 45 minutes to discuss it, and then we lock in a lynch with 15 minutes to go.

Thoughts?

On July 16 2013 06:33 Koshi wrote:
My case on kirby super has always been that kirby was worth saving more than super. There was a post that I made during lynch that was titles "Why we should save kirby over super"

If you compare what Superfluous did with what Xzavier did, or what Kirby defense Kirby case did.

Kirby on Day 2 or Super on Day 2? I wanted Kirby.


The only thing that you can blame me for is being too fast on the Kirby or Super lynch. I was already pushing one of those 2 around 6 hours before deadline? But I thought I was 4 hours at that time.

On July 16 2013 07:03 Xzavier wrote:
i remember asking people to check the Tribunal after it was just the three of them, what i mostly wanted to know was who tried to join them, nobody came out and directly said as such, but when the list of votes they controlled came out somebody knew was on the list:

Nightcat, a hardcore lurker at the time.

now he was not invited to join this team, i dont recall him asking to either, i just remember him following the wishes of it.(However indirectly as it may be) This blinks scummy on my scumdar.



being given the option of switching his vote for a simple reason of "since you guys disagree" and not making a case or updating any reads is bad, because its a super easy for scum to hide without drawing any attention to himself. his entire reason for voting is "the person whos more likely to be lynched" thats a roundabout way of describing a scums voting pattern. they want to blend in and not stick out. So throwing his vote early and the person more likely to be lynched is a great way to lurk successfully.

My scumdar says Scum on nightcat right now
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now im happy with how hurricane reacted to me saying keep your circle small and that further solidifies my stupidly massive town read on him(sponge) (scum would want to try to control as many votes as possible, they would already control the "holes" in there town circle) so the people saying that one of the three is scum, its not him: The points brought up against rainbow has totally shattered the confidence of my town read on him, his actions are nonsensical. I think that Usami is town still as he has played a far more pro-town game and has cut out almost all of his spam (from games iv previously played with him) while i know meta is bad to use for a case in newbie games, but i feel like a scum wouldnt try so hard to improve his town play as they would replicate it. This is another reason for my Umasi read after all of that.

if we are assuming scum tried to get one player onto the "tribunal" they were either succesful and got Rainbows on it, or used it as an excuse for nightcat to sheep his vote.

On July 15 2013 23:46 Nightcat99 wrote:
I just woke up but i have a question i been thinking about.

Regardless that there is a mislynch, do you think the scum will kill one of the tribunal tonight to ensure that theres less voting power tonight, and if none of them die tonight does that make a the tribunal suspicious?

On July 16 2013 05:09 Chromatically wrote:
Okay, here's what I've got. I can't be here at deadline so I'm going to post it now.

Scum are in the group of Xzav, Rainbows, Nightcat, Gotard, Super. Everyone else is too town.


Koshi is town. He's posting too much and drawing too much attention to be mafia. I thought it was weird how he changed from "we should follow others" to a STRONG Super read, but if you look at his filter it feels very natural. He gradually moves and becomes more and more entrenched as time goes along, which is pretty town. Scum would be much more likely to just say "I think Super is scum" and then stay on his lynch and push it a little. There's no reason to do this and draw all that attention as scum when you could easily just artificially put a vote on Super.

There's also a little bit of "too mental to be mafia" with his self vote stunt. Martyring stuff like that isn't necessarily townie, but it would just be a REALLY bold move as mafia.

His pressure on me before and after the lynch, and his general actions after the lynch are townie. He's been hardcore pushing his read on me, and what he's saying makes sense from a town POV (for the most part). He's mostly tunneling me, which would be possible to fake as scum, but he's a central figure in the discussion now and it doesn't seem like scum at all.



Super still feels townieish to me. It's mostly a gut read, but his posting feels open and honest to me. He's given some reads at this point that feel natural to me. I don't think that scum would randomly start talking about the cop like he did. I also think that yesterday was town-town wagons because of the general amount of apathy and unjustified voting that went around.



Xzavier just hasn't done anything to make me feel that he's town. I hate that he gave a really long list of reads and didn't actually come to any conclusions on whether people were town or not, the entire purpose of a list of reads. The rest of his posting actually looks fine to me though. He's mostly here by process of elimination.



Rainbows' big problem is his apathy about the lynch. hz's already pointed it out, but it makes no sense from a town perspective. First, he posts this:

"Both might be town, but Super is scummier."

Then this:

This doesn't make sense with what he just said at all.

He then sheeps onto the Kirby wagon with no resistance at all. He doesn't even protest at all.


It is possible that it comes from town, yes, but that doesn't remove the scumminess of it. If he thought that Kirby had a better chance of flipping town, I would expect ANY townie to give at least minimal resistance. No resistance was given at all.

Also, where on earth did this attitude go?

He went from "calling out scum d1 ez" to "I gave very little shits who was lynched, it's day 1, I don't know wtf anyone is in this game" when he was pressured about it.



Gotard has already been talked about a lot. His problem is that he gives out WAY to many townreads and, more importantly, defends too many people.

For example, the Stim thing. He first posts this about Stim:


But then when I talk to him about it, here's what he says:





Why didn't he mention any of this in his original post? Why is he so confident that Stim is town if his reason is that "It would be too easy if he's mafia"? This whole time, I was explaining why it would be beneficial for Stim to ragequit, be he was ADAMANT that Stim was town. He was extremely, unusually confident in this townread for no reason.

He also defended me and Umasi from Koshi a little for no reason. He then sheeped onto Kirby with a little justification, and then sailed through the lynch.


His case on Koshi called him "bad town" (...) instead of mafia, so why post it at all? Town is looking to find mafia. If he's going to case Koshi without actually thinking he's mafia, then he's just posting for the sake of posting - aka scum.



Nightcat is who I'd really like to lynch tomorrow. His posting is essentially all fluff. Look at this post for example:

This is pretty much the only read he's given apart from just sheeping the wagons (and a random town read), but it says literally nothing at all. He comes in a while after Stim has stopped being a topic of discussion and gives his thoughts as "he's either town or mafia" (like everyone else thought at that time). And then doesn't vote him of course because no one else is.

He randomly votes Kirby with no explanation, saying he'll explain later, but then he switches onto Super with literally NO explanation at all.

He doesn't even say that one of the cases convinced him, it's just that "I might have misjudged Kirby" with no reasoning why. The votes were 5-4 at the time in favor of Super, so the "consolidation" reason is quite obviously made up.

He later sheeps the "tribunal" in switching back to Kirby, but offers no resistance at all. Despite wanting to lynch Super for unknown reasons, he doesn't try to convince anyone to vote him.

What really tipped me off to him was what he posted right before the night post came up. Sadly, it was edited out, but here's essentially what it said:

Why on EARTH wouldn't you post that BEFORE the deadline instead? If you honestly think that, you should try to get people to switch off of Kirby.

The way he posted it, however, the only explanation is that he's trying to distance himself from the lynch by showing that he wasn't really in support of it.


If he was super helpful, why wouldn't you resist his lynch? Why wouldn't you talk about this before the lynch actually occured?

More importantly, he doesn't even have a reason why he was "super helpful" apart from the fact that he was "active". I don't know about you, but I don't consider people to be "super helpful" if they're active right before they get lynched. This just reads like more distancing: "Kirby was SUPER helpful, I didn't REALLY support his lynch".

On July 16 2013 09:30 hzflank wrote:


Rainbows also looked scummy to a lot of people. How do you know that the scum did not kill Koshi?

On July 16 2013 09:36 hzflank wrote:


Do you think that Koshi had a much higher chance of being lynched than Rainbows? I have Rainbows as more scummy as Koshi, as you can see in my pre day post (2 scum, 2 most scummy neutral, 2 most town).

On July 16 2013 09:37 hzflank wrote:
Chrom also had Rainbows as more scum in his pre-day post. And Sponge has Chrom as town.

On July 16 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote:
When I got over the shock of seeing the second kill, I had no idea which kill was made by scum and which kill was made by the SK. You seemed to know.

On July 16 2013 09:42 Nightcat99 wrote:
well as i stated before i think the scum would try to break up the tribunal if there is one thats form by 3 townie so i think rainbow was kill by scum, what i dont understand is why rainbow , because he seems to be the least active and is just following along with what you guys decide.

On July 16 2013 09:46 hzflank wrote:


Sure it's relevant. The first thing you thought was that Koshi was not killed by scum. It looks very much like you know who the scum killed.