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Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 20:29 GMT
#708
Well the main strength of vet is getting hit at a point when mafia needs a kill then claiming. Now you should lead town since you claimed but you're saying you are getting replaced.

It'd be a risky claim by maf but there's no definitive role list so we can't be certain that you're telling the truth, even if you probably are and this is just a bad play.

"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 20:35 GMT
#714
He asked if he was a good play. I'm saying its not, and it doesn't help the town. In an experienced player game it could be an early gambit here I don't think it is if only because he's being replaced.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 22:31 GMT
#815
Koshi why are you pushing SO HARD on Chrom for thinking I'm town? he keeps listing his reasons, which you can agree or disagree with, but what you're doing isn't good for town at all. You're just causing divisions and not even asking me much of anything, who's the person that is supposedly mafia in your eyes. You haven't listed any arguments that have convinced Chrom. You even quoted my posts and bolded what you thought were reasons but skipped some reasons as well. Just because I don't make huge-walls of text doesn't mean I didn't list legitimate reasons. For instance you skipped bolding
. It struck me the wrong way, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all.
. At this point gut feelings play a major role in reads.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 22:41 GMT
#826
On July 15 2013 06:53 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
@Superfluous

Can you post a list of your Town and Scum reads like kirby did in case you die tonight?


Town: Chroma
Umasi
Hurricane (mostly because I really like this post) I did have that post calling you out earlier but you havent done anything similar since.
Stimaddict (bad play revealing role but w/e)
Jrkirby, though now I would lynch him to save myself seeing as its definitely coming to that.

Maf: Xzavier
Koshi
Insert Lurker here
Hzflank (weakest tho)

I'll point out again how hard koshi is going on me and in some ways trying to distract from jkirby/discredit chroma. If Either of them flip maf I'd be suspicious of the other, though the same could be said of me and chroma I suppose.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 22:50 GMT
#843
ALSO IMPORTANT NOTE

If there is a cop, I feel an obligation to point out that it is more important to check active people who are pushing hard than it is to check lurkers. It is generally a better policy to lynch lurkers and check actives than to lynch actives and and check lurkers.

Also, the Mafia WANT people who are difficult to read in the end game to cause confusion amongst the town, and having a cop check on these people can win the game for town.

It is also dangerous if someone like Umasi or Chroma are mafia and go unchecked, because they are controlling the conversation and pushing hard on people.
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Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 22:58 GMT
#860
I am giving examples, by day two there could be different people controlling the discussion anyway. A good player would know who to check, and a good mafia player would know to frame them so it doesnt change that much. There's a chance one of the newer players hasn't played cop much before and ends up doing a bad check. I care about cop cause it's the defining/most important town role and want to give good advice in case I die.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 23:02 GMT
#865
OF COURSE I WOULDNT LIST ONE LURKER OVER ANOTHER. THE WHOLE POINT OF THEM BEING LURKERS IS THAT THEY DON'T POST ENOUGH TO GET A READ OFF OF. AND LAST TIME I JUST LISTED CLOUD 9 YOU GUYS WERE LIKE "HMM HE ONLY LISTED CLOUD 9 THAT SEEMS SUSPICIOUS". MY POINT IS THAT LURKERS ARE ALWAYS DANGEROUS AND A DECENT LYNCH.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 23:02 GMT
#867
oops capslock
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 23:14 GMT
#892
On July 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote:
I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not?

I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen?


That post is so scummy/ baiting. I've clearly demonstrated a basic knowledge of mafia and it goes without saying I would claim if needed/true. Suggesting I role claim gains nothing. Plus, if you thought there was a possibility I was blue, why the fuck would you push for my lynch? Clearly you believe it's a possibility because you suggest it about me but didn't when jkirby was at 6 votes.

"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 23:17 GMT
#904
On July 15 2013 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 08:14 Superfluous wrote:
On July 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote:
I am just going to trow this out here. But with a pending superfluous lynch. Do we want to see superfluous roleclaim? If he claims blue we might want to let him stay alive? It is up to scum to kill him tonight? Or not?

I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen?


That post is so scummy/ baiting. I've clearly demonstrated a basic knowledge of mafia and it goes without saying I would claim if needed/true. Suggesting I role claim gains nothing. Plus, if you thought there was a possibility I was blue, why the fuck would you push for my lynch? Clearly you believe it's a possibility because you suggest it about me but didn't when jkirby was at 6 votes.


I actually didn't know kirby was leading atm. I don't understand how this change happened but it happened.


When I made the post I was at 7 votes, and I was referring to 15 minutes earlier when Kirby was at 6, not now when kirby is at 6.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 23:22 GMT
#917
On July 15 2013 08:21 Nightcat99 wrote:
and i disagree with the role claim because if they are going to die theres no reason for the scum to know we are missing a blue or if there are enough scum vote to save them last sec and switch to someone else that would be worst, cause now they can get 2 people


Huh? The roles flip after death so they would know anyway....
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 14 2013 23:27 GMT
#926
I'd like to point out that, again, xzavier hasn't done anything then shows up when it comes to crunch time only to agree with the consensus and suck up a little to the people most commonly thought as town.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 16 2013 01:06 GMT
#1400
Sorry I didn't post yesterday, I thought that there was silence during night phase and didn't bother checking the thread... woops. Now I know though and won't make that mistake again.

One good thing is that we didn't lose a blue despite the double kill in the night. Regardless of which one they killed, I'm surprised at the mafia's choice of kill. If they killed Koshi it strikes me as weird because pretty much everyone thought he was pretty scummy and thus he may have been a good mafia deflection as a lynch target today. Rainbows is weird to me not because he was especially scummy, but because if they were going to kill people who were trying to lead the town they would've been much better off killing umasi/hurricane because they have been the ones controlling the conversation and putting on pressure more than rainbows.

Thoughts on cop claiming if he got scum? Normally I wouldn't suggest it right now, but there is additional risk with 2 kp.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 16 2013 01:07 GMT
#1401
Ignore last comment, forgot role is revealed on death so we could just go off reads if they die prematurely.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 16 2013 01:20 GMT
#1406
On July 16 2013 10:00 Xzavier wrote:
well shit 2 of my 3 top scumreads just died, leaving 1 alone at the top:

sup super.

##VOTE SUPERFLUOUS

this will be removed once you start some LIGIT scumhunting none of that "vote for one guy, make a case on another guy" bullshits okay?

if i dont think youve done an adequate job/you look more scummy as the day goes on expect this to stay, and a case to be made along with it.


I get the feeling you barely even know what you are saying. It's like you see when other people raise criticisms of me then copy them exactly. Also, it feels SO SCUMMY that you and Umasi are so quick to vote an hour into the day. Don't forget that after the jkirby lynch a decent amount of town said that they felt it was too easy and a town-town lynch, including rainbows who is dead and proved town.

I'd also like to go back on what I said about umasi. Generally I feel it is a good, pro-town move to put pressure on people and get info from them. On day one he pushed me and jrkirby and it didn't work out. Now that's not the worst thing in the world, but then that he immediately goes back and puts pressure on me instead of forcing info/ reads from other people which is much more productive. It's fine that I'm his biggest scum read and he wants to vote for me, but why the rush to vote? It doesn't make him scum, but I don't feel he's clearly town anymore.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 16 2013 01:59 GMT
#1442
For once I agree with Xzavier, Maf don't have to role block so they could just skip a night and say one of them got role blocked. That said I doubt they'd do it night one.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 17 2013 22:37 GMT
#1905
Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red.

Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf.

I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh.

I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind.

I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 17 2013 22:47 GMT
#1909
On July 18 2013 07:41 Xzavier wrote:
an hour and 12 minutes before the deadline.

called it.

who are you voting son and why shouldnt we lynch you?




Voting for Gotard, and it's hard to give you a reason not to lynch me. I could be maf just lurking and lying about being sick. I haven't contributed anything substantial. But now that I am back I will start to contribute reads etc. and posting more (way more). What I'd say is lynch Gotard today, and then if you guys feel I don't contribute you could lynch me the next day. That puts extra pressure on me to contribute because I believe tomorrow could be mislynch and lose if Gotard is town.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 17 2013 22:54 GMT
#1912
On July 18 2013 07:50 Xzavier wrote:
Yeah, it fucking sucks though because alakazam came out of nowhere being batshit crazy and makes me want to lynch him almost as much as i want to lynch you.

Im looking at it like this:

at LYLO do i want:

PLAYER A: posts a good amount and makes zero sense and gives you headaches

PLAYER B: lurks and contributes minimally.


however i like your point about umasi.

and what made umasi a more obvious NK target then chrom or hurricane?


Initially Umasi was spreading out the pressure more than chrom or hurricane, who were both tunneling a bit more. It's bad for mafia to have a town leader who asks questions from everyone because it raises the chances of mafia been found out. Not necessarily through scum slips but through sheer information and reads.
"Popularity Leads to Intimacy"
Superfluous
Profile Joined December 2011
United States70 Posts
July 18 2013 00:01 GMT
#1915
On July 18 2013 08:56 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2013 07:37 Superfluous wrote:
Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red.

Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf.

I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh.

I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind.

I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town.



haha thank you for pointing that out (about me)
you're absolutely correct!
I've been lazy!

I was not leading town, the way I've been playing is NOT leading town. I just pipe up and throw my thoughts in there wherever I feel they're necessary, which is pretty much whenever I read the thread. I've been at the computer less constantly than I was for day one, though.
That said
please make something of it compared to just muttering about it~~you can feel whatever you want. Does this make me a scumread of yours?


No it doesn't make you a scumread, it makes you less town. I like to point out things I notice not because they are inherently scumreads but in case you become a scumread to me or anyone else later we can go back and use this as a reference.
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