EPTEveryone needs to be way better about posting their reads in the 1-hour grace period between the deadline and the Night Flip. Look how valuable Kirby and Rainbows' reads were. Make your (potential) death meaningful! Craft an elegant post today, and post it right before the flip / after the action deadline passes.
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Hurricane Sponge
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Everyone needs to be way better about posting their reads in the 1-hour grace period between the deadline and the Night Flip. Look how valuable Kirby and Rainbows' reads were. Make your (potential) death meaningful! Craft an elegant post today, and post it right before the flip / after the action deadline passes. | ||
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On July 18 2013 13:40 Onegu wrote: Sorry posting from hospital, feeling bad but will be out later today. Im off nightcat now, he and gotard arent scum together look at there interactions with each other I doubt they would bus each other that hard. Totally down for a alakaslam lynch. Hurricane is only slightly scum to me and I will take my sights off him for a bit, still think he has alot of scummy posts though. Feel better Onegu | ||
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(Which I hate. Read my early post. I specifically request people tag their votes in both threads as a courtesy to me.) | ||
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On July 18 2013 14:36 Alakaslam wrote: Was trying to get you to see what I thought obvious but will now state: "if anyone could see that, why do you think the 'trap' will actually catch scum?" Because they couldn't resist. If I was the only one under pressure (and willfully not defending myself) it begs people to pile on. Then we could see who did it without proper analysis. And then we'd have our scum! | ||
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On July 18 2013 14:30 Alakaslam wrote: I was voting Gotard as you wrote that, oddly enough. Check time stamps, this is the one that started to make me think you were scum and bicker. I still will use meta where I can. I also admit that I had changed, noting I was soon to change my vote. Posted this pretty much right before doing so. I genuinely thought it was solo. How is it WIFOM to say I'm not going to solo vote in majority? "Reading comprehension bro", but I don't mean that. I admired your abstinence from rude play last game, and am rarely rude on purpose anyway. My life has been getting shot back at for what I perceived as compliments- see Asperger's Syndrome, the Tvtropes article on it is stellar. Movin on. So let me try to get the timeline right. You liked a Gotard lynch early. A Gotard wagon forms. You didn't vote on Gotard for whatever reason. Then you like me for a lynch. The wagon on me forms. You put your vote on me. Then you move your vote off me to vote on Gotard. I'm concerned with the bolded portion of the timeline | ||
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What's that mean? "I'm going to call you scum, but don't defend it because I said it might be wrong, I dunno" What reaction were you trying to get by posting that? | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote: And if town roleblocked Chrom why not say "Shit" in scum qt? This makes me want to lean town on you but it is really WIFOM so it doesn't affect my read. You're missing a lot of the points entirely. Wouldn't you be happy Chrom was roleblocked if you had a scum read on him? | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:09 Alakaslam wrote: Not really. It enforced town reads on him, and you can't roleblock scum KP. That is why scum isn't roleblocked as much I think, but I should read the page where that happened. Of course, some things are unnatural, such as a massive building. Does that make it an accident? Why does one of your scum reads getting roleblocked make you think he's town? | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:19 Alakaslam wrote: Hence you don't block your scumreads if you are jailer, unless there are two which we don't know yet. So your opinion on Chrom was changed toward Town because you thought it's possible that the town jailor jailed him? | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:06 Alakaslam wrote: What did I think? I thought he was blue, meaning I had been tunneling blue. Last post before a reply. Sorry about the spam BH & Angie..... Wait, you thought he was blue based on a roleblock claim? Explain why you think this as well | ||
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On July 18 2013 15:57 Alakaslam wrote: Think. Does scum RB scum? No. Therefore. Massive building. Why massive building. Are you scum. You know that a jailor doesn't have special information that guarantees the person he jails is Town, right? Just because he thinks Chrom is town, your read shouldn't have been effected. Walk me through this. | ||
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On July 16 2013 10:59 Superfluous wrote: For once I agree with Xzavier, Maf don't have to role block so they could just skip a night and say one of them got role blocked. That said I doubt they'd do it night one. But I couldn't find any context for this in Xzavier's filter. Closest I could find is this: On July 16 2013 10:38 Xzavier wrote: was this even a question? fuck no the JK shoudlnt claim, thats stupid. and yes chrom should have claimed, if nobody else claims they were roleblocked we now know that in this game there is atleast 1 of the following two, a town JK, or a scum RB. If we get another roleblocked claim then we know we have both. this helps town because this gives town more information. having the JK claim gifts a power role to scum. please stop He never mentions scum skipping a roleblock. I wonder why that was on Super's mind? Perhaps a tactic discussed in scum QT? If someone can put Super's train of thought into context, please let me know if you find it. | ||
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On July 18 2013 16:11 Alakaslam wrote: But what if he was RB by scum. This isn't my favorite topic at night. So you're saying you automatically assumed that he was RB by scum. You didn't consider that he could have been jailed? | ||
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Please let me know when you're online tomorrow. I very much need to talk to you, but it needs to be close to the deadline. | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:55 Gotard wrote: What's the point of lynching Superfluous right now? Since he's gone there's no discussion around him. his case was closed after first day. He can only hope that people will think that day one was town-town lynch which is the case. I'm struggling with this comment. Gotard threw this out right before he was lynched. His death looked inevitable to me, although I suppose he could have thought there were going to be shenanigans at the deadline. The takeaways from this comment's inconsistency with his recent read of Superfluous being a scum read break down into a 2x2 grid: The two variables are Super is Scum / Super is Town, and Gotard Thought He Could Live / Gotard Knew He Was Dead. Matrix below: ------------------------- Super is Scum / Gotard Thinks He Can Live: 1.) Gotard thinks he can live; he and Super are scum. Throws out a new Town read on Super as protection instinct. Solo votes Nightcat. Super is Scum / Gotard Knows He Will Die: 2.) Gotard knows he's going to die; thinks giving Super a Town read on a scumbuddy is a good play for some reason (help with this please?). Super is Town / Gotard Knows He Will Die: 2.) Gotard knows he's going to die (and flip red) and is trying to mindrape us into thinking Super is his scumbuddy by creating this new association so close to his flip. (Is it too sophisticated a play to assume from Gotard?) Super is Town / Gotard Thinks He Can Live: 4.) Gotard thinks he can live; he knows Super is town. (I cannot come up with a plausible explanation for his comment.) ------------------- Now, we obviously can't rule anything out based on Super's alignment (because we don't know it!) right now, but we might be able to speculate on whether we think / can find evidence of whether Gotard knew he was doomed last night or if he thought he could somehow avoid the day's lynch. At first blush, I feel like Gotard didn't realize how much of a slam dunk lynch he was. He was still throwing out passive accusations, and (sort of) playing the game. There were no martyr posts, no attempt to defend the accusations against him, and he may not have realized just how much trouble he was in. The last post that I'd call a 'defense' came timestamped July 17th, 20:11. When he posted it, there were only 3 votes on him. Once the hz, 'slam, Gotard and Nightcat votes come in on him (early timestamp July 18th 1:12 - 4:00) Gotard doesn't post another formal defense for the rest of the game. I know that play this poor this may seem hard to believe to some of us, but based on the quality of Gotard's play to this point, I believe it's possible he didn't know how super screwed he was. His last post comes 2.5 hours before Superfluous' vote on him, so it's possible that with Super gone from the mafia QT for most of Day 2, Gotard was flying solo or at least down a man when he was posting. I'd like people's thoughts on this line of thinking. Did it seem to you like Gotard knew he'd be lynched yesterday? | ||
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On July 18 2013 04:18 Xzavier wrote: its like he just did his job of getting suspicion off him and removing himself from the lynch candidates then goes inactive, like it doesn't matter who gets lynched as long as it isnt him. Thats pretty scummy, suppose he pops in the last few hours, which honestly to me is at any point between now and the lynch, the closer to the lynch the worse. IMO this looks like a good way to wait until a bandwagon has formed on not him, then show up when its too late to form another candidate. and thats scummy as hell to me. and as far from pro-town you can get short of posting 100% spam. hes already posted so all he has to do is throw a last minute vote on the bandwagon, and then he is magically forgotten about again. and watch, now that he is being talked about he is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" because hes lurked for too long, and so he would appear once hes starting to be talked about again/deadline. Whatever he does at this point looks scummy, which is frustrating because unless he gets a rock solid case on somebody he is my top scumread. He is my lynch candidate. However gotard does look scummy, i see him as a serious lynch candidate, but who the fuck is running against him to die? Nobody? isnt that strange in and of itself. When there are mutliple scummy people in the game and only one of them is getting votes? shouldnt scum buddies be atleast SEMI-attempting to defend him? It seems to me like scum are okay with this lynch, and that is worrysome. there was no resistance to his case (basically) and i cant imagine people full-bussing when all they would have to do is ask/answer harmless questions and make pro-town moves to do it. i think lynching super helps us more, do you want super at LYLO? atleast gotard you can get reads off of because he posts. Having a hardcore lurker at LYLO is a horrible nightmare. On July 18 2013 07:37 Superfluous wrote: Hey guys sorry I've been missing, been sick the last few days and mafia hasn't really taken priority. Regardless I'm back and surprised that I am somehow not the main lynch target. I think Gotard is a good lynch and would like to honor kirby's last reads. That said I find it strange how no one is defending him too too much, though if he's maf it may just be that his teammates felt town would really push his lynch and they didn't want to defend him only for him to turn red. Other thoughts: Gut still says something's up with Xzavier, but with the revelation of sk it could be that and not necessarily maf. I agree with Onegu's case against Hurricane, though don't really have much to add to it. I realize it's kinda scummy to show up and just agree with the closest we have to proven but eh. I feel like Chroma has been playing completely differently day 2 than day 1. Now, maybe that's because he spent the first day defending me and had less to do today, but it feels weird how his main reason for defending me and calling me town was just to lynch kirby. Also keep in mind that while I think Maf killed Rainbows and not Koshi, Koshi WAS going really hard on Chroma for defending me. One line sticks out in my head, Koshi said that considering how hard Chroma was defending me it was almost as if he knew I was town. Something to keep in mind. I also feel like Umashi has done very little for town on day 2. Day 1 he was putting out pressure and trying to accomplish something, and it doesn't feel the same today. Now, he has ceded this roll to Onegu as he is pretty much confirmed yet hasn't done much himself. (Correct me if you feel I'm terribly wrong, this is just from skimming over and trying to post my thoughts before lynch). I also thought he was the obvious kill for mafia n1 if he was doing a good job of leading town. An interesting theoretical similarity I found. I already explained to Xzavier, but I'm surprised strong players like them didn't come to the same conclusion I did (re: the lurker/busser theory I developed). Not sure if scummy, or just a coincidence. | ||
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