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On July 09 2013 17:48 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Meapak, ryan, and WaveofShadow.
So, Ryan nukes Meapak (doesn't claim), WaveofShadow redirects it, Ryan claims after redirected.
Why? Sorry, I'm still trying to catchup.
I'm not completely sure why myself. A) rayn is scum and doing illogical stuff because of that B) rayn is town and failing at that
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On July 08 2013 07:35 MajuGarzett wrote:Ok, just caught up, sorry for being inactive One of the people I find scummy is Vayne. He voted pretty early based off of one post and after that hasn't done much. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 08 2013 05:31 geript wrote:On July 08 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh,
Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post? I play differently in every single game so meta'ing me with a pretty bad choice. I will agree that the posted you quoted is intentionally scummy, I was trying to bait scum into trying to make some shitty case on it but I don't really think you're scum so it didn't work that well. Stop wasting your time and my time then. Just scum hunt and make your thought process clear. Who are your top scum targets and why? Right now im looking at johnny and Caucasian. I already placed my vote/reasoning on johnny if you filter me so now to caucasian... filler post then the old I'm drunk thing so I can't help town. When do drunk posts ever turn back town unless it's like BH? It's such a cop out. If you're drunk don't post or at least try harder then that. If he's town I really have no regrets as he is giving us nothing to work with That post is the most of his thoughts he's given and all it is is repeating that he suspects Johnny and then making a read on somebody with no meaningful posts. I feel he voted early to look eager in looking for scum and is trying to use that to go under the radar. To me it seems like little output from about 20 posts. I agree with the suspicion about Onegu. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote:
Sleeping soon so if there are any questions in the next half hour or so I will be around.
The next thing is on Alakaslam, his activeity level has me feeling scummy. Compared to his last game where he would post about his dinner, add in the fact he watched 2 lurkers make it to endgame.
The chez situation really needs to be explored more, and if he refuses to give answers he needs to be lynched. Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe, and he really doesnt add much productivity to the thread either.
##VOTE: Chezinu Here he says we need answers from Chezinu or Chezinu should be lynched but then votes in the same post. Why not wait and see if there's a reply? I think he might just be trying to start a bandwagon. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 01:07 Onegu wrote:
Johnny has mostly posted fluff, but so have I (first game as town), but I dont see any lynchable offenses yet.
And here he justifies fluff posting as being new to the game. I don't think that makes sense, regardless of experience, its not hard to take some time between posts to write something constructive instead of just spouting fluff ##Vote: OneguLooking at Abenson's filter, it's hard to say much from 2 posts and since both posts are close together he might just be busy, but he really avoided saying anything about anyone.
MajuGarzett mostly (almost exclusively) posts fluff, but this one posts had several reads and even reasoning behind them. His wording is very "weak" and hesitant though, clearly careful not to go too far or to be too vague either. Verdict: somewhat likely scum
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Hmm Z-Boson doesn't really look scummy, I'll let him be for now.
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On July 09 2013 18:04 CaucasianAsian wrote:
So, what we know is that Ryan has the ability to nuke, and the ability to nuke secretly at that. I'm trying to think of a role where that would be good. It's obvious now that he has some role, either as a townie, or scum.
Overall, isn't it a stupid idea just role calling? Doesn't it put himself out as a target? Is Ryan really as dumb as to tell everyone he can launch secret nukes (unless it was his only one?)? The fact that he tells everyone he can launch secret nukes, is role calling saying he is dangerous. Is that really good for town? Either way, he is stupid for telling everyone he can launch secret nukes. Is he not? What is he trying to accomplish?
I have 2 scenarios:
1) Town nuker:
- Really blew up over Meapak pointing a finger at him, and wanted revenge by nuking Meapak. I don't know how they play mafia, but it assumes that they have some history.
2) Scum nuker:
- Meapak starts out very early accusing ryan of being mafia. Afraid of this, he nukes meapak. There may be more to the story, and possibly a history. He may be afraid of Meapak for being a good player, and wants to get rid of him ASAP. But if this is the case, why would he claim it?
I'm assuming ryan is a decent player, but I can't imagine a scum player quickly claiming a nuke. It does exactly what everyone is doing now, it instantly makes you suspicious. Not claiming it at first, and then claiming it later... Why would scum do this? It's super suspicious, and they know it.
Every scenario I can think of, it boils down to A) Ryan is a stupid townie who is angry at Meapak. or B) Ryan is a stupid scum scared of Meapak.
Heh, I pretty much agree. In any case this lessens my trust in rayn, even if he is town and just OMGUS-nuked Meapak after Meapak questioned rayn's nuke-beg for Chezinu. I guess it'd be too risky to claim now as scum, since it clearly puts him under suspicion, but it makes a bit more sense for him to be scum based on his role usage. Then again, I had a good townread on rayn for other reasons (very active and focused posting) before this. Because of that and dangerously claiming NOW, I'm leaning on town and just messing up.
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jampidampi doesn't really seem scummy to me so far. I'll have to see more of him but not lynchable atm.
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On July 09 2013 18:41 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I know mafia is a complete mindfuck of a game. Is it possible that he is mafia, and claiming the nuke, makes people think he is stupid, and thus not mafia?
let me explain:
Ryan claims nuke, thus claiming he is dangerous. This instantly makes him suspicious. But then as people realize that it's so obvious that he is suspicious that there is no way he can be mafia because why would mafia ostracize himself? Is it possible he is on a whole other level?
I'm probably over thinking things... fuck.
Did WaveofShadow explain why he redirected from Meapak?
That, my friend, is the true meaning of WIFOM 
WoS mentioned that he mainly wanted to save Meapak, not so much to nuke NG, but people agreed on NG so that was that.
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Nah, Alakaslam feels too happy-go-lucky and active to be scum as well...
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On July 09 2013 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I dont think that fits in with WoS normal playstyle I feel. Seems like a really hesitant play from a dude who like never gets mislynched.
I agree it's a bit weird that he hesitated so much and asked for permission before doing it. In his place, I would have just done it.
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On July 09 2013 18:50 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 18:41 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Did WaveofShadow explain why he redirected from Meapak? Not really. Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game.
I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit.
Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. That's basically all he said on the matter before sending in the redirect. @Xata: I'll try to be more decisive in the future, I feel that's just how I speak though. I know Rayn or someone asked for reads on WoS and MZ but its really late so I'll do it when I wake up.
I think you missed WOS's explanation. Aren't you reading the thread? Obviously scum.
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Oatsmaster, what's your opinion on Abenson and MajuGarzett atm? I'd be down to lynch either of them.
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On July 09 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Alright Im catching up now, my has been sick all day and just now went down for his nap. Im like 30 pages behind so give me a few min.
You and gumshoe need to step up from pure sheepdom. Your scumreads?
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On July 09 2013 19:00 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 18:54 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 18:50 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 09 2013 18:41 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Did WaveofShadow explain why he redirected from Meapak? Not really. On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game.
I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit.
Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. That's basically all he said on the matter before sending in the redirect. @Xata: I'll try to be more decisive in the future, I feel that's just how I speak though. I know Rayn or someone asked for reads on WoS and MZ but its really late so I'll do it when I wake up. I think you missed WOS's explanation. Aren't you reading the thread? Obviously scum. Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game.
I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit.
Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 09 2013 01:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game.
I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit.
Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. While I appreciate the thought it may be better to save your power until later in the game. Although now that you've claimed you'll probably get killed tonight anyway -_- I doubt it. :D Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well shit, Rayn's on board.
DONE DEAL LADIES. Those were the posts between the roleclaim and the redirect so I looked at those and didn't see an explanation there, I guess I missed it somewhere else in the filter though. After that I thought most people were just ok with nuking NG.
He explained more after that. Whatever, I gave my blessing for that action so I have zero right to criticize I really. I'm pretty sure Meapak is town too so I doubt it was even a mistake.
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On July 09 2013 19:05 CaucasianAsian wrote:I still have a scummy read on Johnny, and I'll explain below. if I'm wrong, or not on the right path, please correct me. I'm going to write this out, and then grab dinner with a friend. I won't be able to reply for a few more hours. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:26 johnnywup wrote:
I know I'm not very good at mafia. But what you need to understand is that NOTHING that I've done says scum over bad townie. I am a bad townie. I can see why I'm probably a good lynch for day 1. I can see why I'm being bandwagonned. It's because it's so easy for scum to tunnel bad townies.
If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else. So Johnny went through a lot of scrutiny at first, and posts this. He pretty much says "please don't lynch me, i'm town, i'm just bad." I don't know much about how forum-based mafia works, but in live mafia this is very commonly scum. It's usually a last hope without role calling. "I know I'm bad, and I'm no use to anyone, but please let me live" It's simply not beneficial in any circumstance to state that you are bad at the game when you are trying to avoid a lynch. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote:
Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go.
##nuke TanGeng
I will not be able to change this.
Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it. I find that many people are just saying "i think he's scummy." in this game. To be honest, it really annoys me as they are not giving any basis behind it. It's the whole conspiracy theorist bullshit that you see on forums all the time. "If you don't believe it, just do the research yourself". It's annoying, makes other people do pointless work, and overall not beneficial to town. Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 14:17 johnnywup wrote:On July 08 2013 14:11 geript wrote:
Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific. I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary So he actually does respond, and is being quite hypocritical in his basis. His posts have not been beneficial as once again, he refuses to give any real reason. Once again, "i could really explain to you, but i don't want to, and I shouldn't have to. you can either believe me or do your own research" It's a simple way to make someone who doesn't want to do a lot of work, believe you, by believing so hardcore in what you are saying, without actually saying anything. It's pretty much fluff in this post "i won't give any real reasoning, but you should trust me. his posts make no sense" this is just nonsense.
Good to see you posting, but I think what you explained is more indicative of bad (town) play rather than necessarily scummy play. IMO all that can be explained by bad play rather than being scum; there's nothing that points to being scum being the more obvious explanation. I agree though that he needs to explain more and complain less.
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On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote:I don't think rayn lauched the nuke. If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum. Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER!
plz Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU!
Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself? Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see. Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak? Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote:
@rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?
LOL I just don't understand rayn at this point. Why would be seriously lie like that and then BASE HIS TOWNREAD OF MEAPAK ON HIS OWN LIE??? It's just 100% ridiculous. Sigh...
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Maybe this is some elaborate ploy to lure out scum or something... That might be easier to understand than him really launching it as either scum or town.
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In other news, I read through the filters of Stutters695 and ghost_403. Not that it took long - they're both 100% useless and without even a shred of scumhunting. These two posts amount to their complete contributions so far:
On July 09 2013 06:12 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 05:32 Xatalos wrote:
Okay, lynching ON is better than lynching Chezinu or Dandel Ion at this point. Dandel Ion is more likely town than scum and we can wait more on Chezinu and his madness.
##Unvote
##Vote OriginalName Second. ##Vote OriginalNameSorry for activity at the moment, life went nuts. Be here all day tomorrow.
On July 09 2013 04:02 Stutters695 wrote:
##vote: Dandel Ion
Yep.... These almost feel too scummy to be scum. But either they are anti-town town or anti-town scum, and I want them dead in both cases.
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On July 09 2013 20:13 CaucasianAsian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 19:45 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 19:05 CaucasianAsian wrote:On July 09 2013 18:38 Xatalos wrote:
Any scumreads yet, CA? I still have a scummy read on Johnny, and I'll explain below. if I'm wrong, or not on the right path, please correct me. I'm going to write this out, and then grab dinner with a friend. I won't be able to reply for a few more hours. On July 08 2013 00:26 johnnywup wrote:
I know I'm not very good at mafia. But what you need to understand is that NOTHING that I've done says scum over bad townie. I am a bad townie. I can see why I'm probably a good lynch for day 1. I can see why I'm being bandwagonned. It's because it's so easy for scum to tunnel bad townies.
If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else. So Johnny went through a lot of scrutiny at first, and posts this. He pretty much says "please don't lynch me, i'm town, i'm just bad." I don't know much about how forum-based mafia works, but in live mafia this is very commonly scum. It's usually a last hope without role calling. "I know I'm bad, and I'm no use to anyone, but please let me live" It's simply not beneficial in any circumstance to state that you are bad at the game when you are trying to avoid a lynch. On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote:
Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go.
##nuke TanGeng
I will not be able to change this.
Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it. I find that many people are just saying "i think he's scummy." in this game. To be honest, it really annoys me as they are not giving any basis behind it. It's the whole conspiracy theorist bullshit that you see on forums all the time. "If you don't believe it, just do the research yourself". It's annoying, makes other people do pointless work, and overall not beneficial to town. On July 08 2013 14:17 johnnywup wrote:On July 08 2013 14:11 geript wrote:
Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific. I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary So he actually does respond, and is being quite hypocritical in his basis. His posts have not been beneficial as once again, he refuses to give any real reason. Once again, "i could really explain to you, but i don't want to, and I shouldn't have to. you can either believe me or do your own research" It's a simple way to make someone who doesn't want to do a lot of work, believe you, by believing so hardcore in what you are saying, without actually saying anything. It's pretty much fluff in this post "i won't give any real reasoning, but you should trust me. his posts make no sense" this is just nonsense. Good to see you posting, but I think what you explained is more indicative of bad (town) play rather than necessarily scummy play. IMO all that can be explained by bad play rather than being scum; there's nothing that points to being scum being the more obvious explanation. I agree though that he needs to explain more and complain less. In either case, either he is a bad town, or scum, why did everyone move away from lynching him? I'm under the impression from previous live games that bad town is bad for town...
It depends. johnnywup has at least put in some effort, although he hasn't shown convincing play. I'm willing to give him some more time.
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CA, there are different kinds of bad town. On the other hand you have Stutters695 and ghost_403 who passively work against town. Then you have johnnywup whose play has just been sub-optimal.
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The first two I want to get rid of even if they're truly town, the latter not so much.
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