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Anyways, I'm really uncomfortable with SnB's drop vote on austin
On July 14 2013 03:47 strongandbig wrote:
yeah i want to kill austin. if ace's nuke is the only one flying at maju and we know it's fake, why hasn't someone else nuked maju yet? are we out of town nukes? that would be lame.
anyway i'ma vote austin. I srsly think there were scum behind the original name lynch and they woudl have needed a leader, and austin is that person.
##vote: austinmcc
He's just parked his vote there and didn't really do anything to pursue his scumread. His next two posts are fluffy and don't add much to the thread.
He also did the same thing with vayneauthority later on:
On July 12 2013 02:18 strongandbig wrote:four, at least also im voting va ##vote: vayneauthorityi think hes had a bunch of scummy behaviors so id rather lynch him.
That seems disinterested as all hell, and reeks of lazy scum play. Also, before voting Vayne, he had his vote on DL, for equally bad reasons:
On July 09 2013 02:34 strongandbig wrote:ima vote dandelion cause i dont like him that's a lurker lynch right? or a policy lynch cause he is thread poison? or is there a case on him somewhere actually what cases are there on actual people? ##vote: dandeloinalso did anyone say anything about the thing i posted before? Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 02:47 strongandbig wrote:On July 07 2013 09:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
this looks like a bus nuke so hard. xat gonna flip red ye If catalogs flips red va is scum. Who would actually think this as town. Much more likely scum trying to capitalize off of their teammate dying. If catalogs is town then forget this it's just va being stupid. that really looks like a weird thing that va said.
Townie SnB is much more interactive and has much better posts.
Trying to think if I should try to push a wagon on him right now.
He seems like a great choice, because I've been trying to put pressure on him left and right for some time, and it seems like it just doesn't catch, despite him looking like a scummy-as-fuck player.
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Like, check my filter and control F SnB and see that I have a fair amount of posts directed at giving him thread attention
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On July 15 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. Are you fucking blind? GUMSHOE IS THERE AS WELL
Are you fucking dumb? You're ok with lynching CA and Austin, while he isn't.
Wtf is your problem? Play nice, dude
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On July 15 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Onegu isn't scum.
Pretty sure CA isn't either; people were saying that he played the TL+ game exactly this way as well as town.
I could do SnB, but I haven't seen enough of his play in other games to know his meta.
Everyone voting Austin or MG needs to really think about what they're doing right now.
Care to elaborate?
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On July 15 2013 03:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 03:33 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. Are you fucking blind? GUMSHOE IS THERE AS WELL Are you fucking dumb? You're ok with lynching CA and Austin, while he isn't. Wtf is your problem? Play nice, dude You say that we only agree on Geript, while we also agree on not killing MG (which is rare) and that gumshoe is an option as well. I have also said 1684567856444 times in this thread that I am pro Austin and the only reason that I want him lynched is because Xatalos said so. CA is CA and I don't really want him lynched but I wouldn't mind. Fucking hell.
Oh boo-hoo I didn't mention gumshoe omg
You disagree with him on austin, a top lynch choice for today. But you say you view the game in pretty much the same exact way, not trying to discuss that aspect in the slightest.
Are you like 15 or something?
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On July 15 2013 04:12 WaveofShadow wrote:I'm a person. Z-Boson, I already elaborated. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 15:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok NOW I'm going to bed. On July 13 2013 08:39 Onegu wrote:
Umm it is possible I killed firm tofu I visited him last night... I hate your filter. Looks horrible, but the above post is what forces me to believe that you're town. Nothing more to say. I actually need to go read Chrono Trigger for another reason as well---good reason as any to have a look at SnB's play. Oats you're better at yelling at people than me. Less than 3 hour to lynch, no consolidation. Do your thing breh.
Hmm, given that he's a newer player that post does seem fairly implausible.
Also, for SnB, take a look at mario mini:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=strongandbig
100% a different player.
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On July 15 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:10 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 03:45 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 03:33 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote:
Z-Boson. Are you fucking blind? GUMSHOE IS THERE AS WELL Are you fucking dumb? You're ok with lynching CA and Austin, while he isn't. Wtf is your problem? Play nice, dude You say that we only agree on Geript, while we also agree on not killing MG (which is rare) and that gumshoe is an option as well. I have also said 1684567856444 times in this thread that I am pro Austin and the only reason that I want him lynched is because Xatalos said so. CA is CA and I don't really want him lynched but I wouldn't mind. Fucking hell. Oh boo-hoo I didn't mention gumshoe omg You disagree with him on austin, a top lynch choice for today. But you say you view the game in pretty much the same exact way, not trying to discuss that aspect in the slightest. Are you like 15 or something? Haha I kind of agree here. For what it's worth though I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. I don't think I've ever seen mafia do in-depth numbers analysis like he did, and it wouldn't make sense to try and alert the town to KP reduction possibilities. Z Boson I'd like you to comment on Geript atm. You already shot my case down but you really didin't offer much in terms of reasoning, and especially now that we know that if we simultaneously lynch and nuke MG we don't find out if the nuke is real or not it makes sense that Geript is looking to bury info and buy scum as much time as possible.
Problem I'm having with geript lynch is two things
1) His posts in beginning of day1 were pretty decent. I recall that when I was catching up I ended up agreeing with him in a lot of aspects
2) Him shooting down jampidampi nuke for his weird-ass reasoning if a reaaally weird play to make as scum. Only possible scum scenario I can think of is if he wanted some town cred for shooting down a townie, but that's just so risky.
Can you link the main points against geript you'd like me to answer?
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Ok, Oats and WoS, you guys are here.
As I see it, we agree on two options: gumshoe and SnB (two similar low-profile players who look scummy)
Now, lynching MG seems kinda pointless because of the nuke sent at him, which has some chance to detonate and kill him.
Austin I feel still has good chances of being scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch him at the moment because of his activity as of late (even if that's something a scum austin would totally be capable of). Geript I want to talk about more, but I don't feel he's a good lynch choice for today.
That being said, I would like to discuss SnB and gumshoe more, once were finished with geript
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On July 15 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Holy shit I'm going to need a fucking week to read Chrono Trigger. What the fuck guys?
Read his 11 page filter on mario I posted earlier, you don't need to see the game and shit to be able to tell how different it is from this game.
In Chrono, he was at least trying, he was my scumbuddy, so I remember it a bit
Right now he's with this weird "I don't give a shit" attitude that seems contrived, and is anti-town regardless
Will investigate geript right now on your earlier post
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On July 15 2013 04:32 Stutters695 wrote:
Z-bos how is shooting down a nuke on a town risky? A scum life is worth like 4 town generally(unless it's something like the by letting him die it gives them an endgame quicker.
Risky I mean in the sense that he's gratuitously sticking his neck out for shaky-ass reasons.
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Goddamn I'm unsure as fuck lol
austin only decides to become superactive second time in a row right near lynch time, but snb's play is so fucking shitty this game.
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On July 15 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't like that Austin is currently leading in votes right now.
Austin I think we may have to switch.
nononono not this again
don't judge a wagon by the people in it or by how many are in there.
Judge it by how scummy you think the person in the wagon is.
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Ace you want to kill SnB.
Whatever happened to:
On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim?
Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for?
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After some more reading on SnB:
SnB is playing fucking shitty but I have no idea whether it alludes to anything in his alignment. This post here sounds kinda genuine:
On July 12 2013 05:02 strongandbig wrote:
fucking hell geript
dip-shit
there are clearly anonymous scum nukes targeting strong town players if you have a town defense why in the hell would you not save it to stop the anonymous scum nukes on townies.
The only alternative I see plausible with this post is if both SnB and Geript are in a scumteam.
From Chrono Trigger mafia I remember that he liked setting up these kinds of plays, and snb hasn't really done much in pressuring geript because of it. But anyways, I'll go with the simplest case, that to me, geript is actually town and that scum SnB wouldn't overreact that harshly if he knew that jampi was town.
Also, he claimed his role at a stupid-ass time, which kinda leads me down the lazy townie path.
I dunno.
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted.
I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to.
Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than:
1) He's lurky
2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation?
Just to be clear.
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What's pissing me off is that austin to me is like 80% scum, but I don't want to lynch him because there are so many lurkers here that are anti-town no matter what their real alignment is.
If we kill austin and he's town, we are fucked.
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On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 06:17 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote:On July 15 2013 06:07 geript wrote:On July 15 2013 05:52 Ace wrote:
@geript: If you don't trust austin then vote for him. At the very least respond to my post where I said it comes down to 1 of 2 paths: austin/vayne/stutters or snb/onegu. If you believe that it is possible for 4 Town IOs in this game, then you should be voting for austin right now.
Could you link please. Trying to read like 8 things at once. On July 15 2013 04:33 Ace wrote:
Let me try and put things in order here.
1.) austin's claim that he sabotaged vayne and stutters. This leads him to believe one of them is the silent nuker, most likely vayne. Vayne was also attached to the jampi/maju group yesterday. If austin is Town, this puts more scum favored points in Vayne's direction. Stutters looks like he just messed up his role PM if anything, and made a mistake trying to figure out what happened with my original nuke. Stttuers is of course Scum if the nuke on Maju succeeds. For now both Stutters and Vayne are Town. austin is a wildcard.
2.) Onegu and SnB. Again as I said earlier, 4 town roles that spread radiation. I think we all know this can not be good. We should definitely go this direction, possibly regardless of what happens with any of austin/maju/vayne.stutters.
The way this game is going we're behind because we can't stick to one thing. Too many people with suspects everywhere, and we can't agree on one thread. This time, we either solve the snb/onegu stuff, or the austin/vayne/stutters situation. I think its much simpler to go the Onegu/SNB route even though Austin has votes right now. If austin is telling the truth, gets lynched and flips Town that doesn't mean vayne/stutters have to be scum for sure. I don't think both Onegu and SNB can be Town and SNB has been mia. On July 15 2013 06:08 Z-BosoN wrote:Ace you want to kill SnB. Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote:
snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy.
I dunno man, I feel it's bad play lynching based on setup spec, solely. I remember that in liquid city there were like 5 claimed medics and I was desperate to lynch into them because I thought it would be dumb to have that much.
ALso, please tell me what you think about these thoghts I put forth against an SnB lynch:
On July 15 2013 06:10 Z-BosoN wrote:After some more reading on SnB: SnB is playing fucking shitty but I have no idea whether it alludes to anything in his alignment. This post here sounds kinda genuine: Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 05:02 strongandbig wrote:
fucking hell geript
dip-shit
there are clearly anonymous scum nukes targeting strong town players if you have a town defense why in the hell would you not save it to stop the anonymous scum nukes on townies. The only alternative I see plausible with this post is if both SnB and Geript are in a scumteam. From Chrono Trigger mafia I remember that he liked setting up these kinds of plays, and snb hasn't really done much in pressuring geript because of it. But anyways, I'll go with the simplest case, that to me, geript is actually town and that scum SnB wouldn't overreact that harshly if he knew that jampi was town. Also, he claimed his role at a stupid-ass time, which kinda leads me down the lazy townie path. I dunno.
I think it was you that said earlier that we shouldn't lynch into active folks, because in the endgame we will be going with lurkers and scum.
I want to propose that we follow suit with WoS and lynch gumshoe, who has ninja-voted stutters and is completely useless in this game, with a fair chance of being scum.
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On July 15 2013 06:24 Ace wrote:
there are several lurkers Wos, you want us to just burn through all of them?
Wtf Ace, you are not making any sense.
According to your own posts, gumshoe is a perfect as hell option here:
On July 13 2013 08:50 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2013 08:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 09 2013 07:00 s0Lstice wrote:
TARGET LOCKED IN. FINAL COUNT.
geript (0): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
johnnywup (0): VayneAuthority, Xatalos, WaveofShadow, TanGeng, Abenson, OriginalName
Chezinu (2): raynepelikoneet, Onegu, Ace, TanGeng, Abenson, Xatalos,
raynpelikoneet, jampidampi, gumshoe
WaveofShadow (0): geript, johnnywup
Onegu (1): Nirvana.Gabo, MajuGarzett
austinmcc (0): Xatalos
raynepelikoneet (0): Alakaslam
Z-BosoN (0): Chezinu
Dandel Ion (8): johnnywup, WaveofShadow, OriginalName, Ace, VayneAuthority,
strongandbig, Meapak_Ziphh, Alakaslam, Stutters695, Nirvana.Gabo
Nirvana.Gabo (1): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, jampidampi
ghost_403 (0): Alakaslam, Chezinu
VayneAuthority (2): FirmTofu, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, FirmTofu, Chezinu
CaucasianAsian (1): geript, Z-BosoN
Oatsmaster (0): Chezinu
jampidampi (0): Chezinu
OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu,
Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu
Alakaslam (0): geript
TARGET: OriginalName has been obliterated! alright so lets roll through this finally, just some food for thought. On the ON lynch we have rayn, Xat, and Tang who flipped town. We also have Dandel/xig which flipped scum. To switch the lynch, which is between Chezinu and dandel (which was a scum or scum lynch btw) austin comes in and drops a case on ON as things are looking dire. Chezinu immediately votes for it, when he could have just voted for dandel to save himself. After a few more town like rayn are on aboard, a firestorm of votes begins. Now that we know who is town in those votes... First voter - Austin = scum. second voter - Chezinu = scum. third voter - Rayn = town. fourth voter - dandel = scum. fifth voter - Xat = town. sixth voter - FirmTofu = town. now where it gets interesting. Alaskazam votes for it then immediately goes back to a useless lynch, realizing that they don't need his vote and he does not want to be associated with this lynch. Alaskazam = scum. The remaining = Geript, ghost(Koshi), Gumshoe, Johnnywup, Onegu Most of the scum have got to be here -_- doubt its the ones towards the end because there's no reason to vote onto a mislynch after its already secured. Obviously I am wrong on some of these reads but lets really look into their motives here... First 2 voters on the wagon being scum may be legit. Chezinu has been afk for a long time since his day 1 nuke. Haven't looked at where he was on other wagons. I'm leaning austin scum right now since he seems to have prior knowledge to how things work + prior suspicions before the Day post. When stutters comes back it may be easier to get to this, since he seems sure stutters is lying about his role PM. Alasklam being scum here is interesting but the theory is a little flawed. If he is scum, then hopping off the wagon when it's a secured lynch looks far worse for him if he is thinking about appearances. He would have to have confidence that no one would catch this until later. Based on the way he posts I doubt that. gumshoe and Onegu are far more suspect here.
From here I gather, gumshoe is suspect
On July 13 2013 06:59 Ace wrote:
If I'm dead follow, actually read this stuff. I've been thinking about this game mostly from the DI/ON lynch as thats where most of my interactions have gone. The Maju/jampi lynxh also was similar in that we had a last minute turn around that ended up in a town death. If I'm dead I can't nuke Maju, therefore just lynch him.
There are three things that need to be cleared up for us to win this game. First is this list:
Xatalos
jampi (dead)
Onegu
SnB
All of them claim to have the same role, but can visit targets at night while being immune to radiation iirc. I doubt radiation is a good thing. All four being town isn't possible. 4 town roles able to run around infecting people just isn't a pro-town system. Deal with this. 2 of them that are alive also were on the wrong side of both Town lynches. Xatalos looks more Town than Onegu. snb has been mia and should be pressed.
The 2nd thing is the ON/DI wagon and the jampi/Maju wagon. This is a little more inconclusive until Maju flips. As sson as he flips DO NOT forget to go back and check this out for common names and bs reasons.
The last thing is the lurkers. I'm certain most of the active players are town. If not we are a bit screwed barring a miracle. We cant really kill the people playing active because if they flip Town we are all fucked as the game will fall into lurkers + scum. Be VERY careful with reads on active players.
Find out who is secret nuking also. Gl.
Here I read Lynching Lurkers is good!
Thus for you, a gumshoe lynch would make sense, no? I get that you like SnB because of setup spec, but like I posted earlier I have a few reasons as to why snb could be town, while there are none for gumshoe.
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On July 15 2013 06:32 Ace wrote:
@Z-Boson: whatever lynching gumshoe flips, we still have the same issue with austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju. If he flips scum who looks bad? I haven't thought much about a geript-snb scum team.
@jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read.
Can you comment on his reaction to geript nuke? I think it's a solid argument. Feels unnatural for scum to go ahead and be ultra-pissed for blocking a nuke on a townie, no?
Also, vayne/onegu are pretty much town, I think we can consolidate on that.
Maju is likely getting nuked.
Austin is too active to lynch atm.
Help me puzzle out SnB's claim then. Why would he claim at the time he did? It makes little sense.
Also, do you recall how many people had claimed IO before he did?
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On July 15 2013 06:34 Ace wrote:
Z-Boson: Read carefully. I've supported lynching lurkers before we got to THIS situation. Why would I want to lynch gumshoe and leave it unresolved? If you believe snb is a lurker then I'm actually following what you are quoting me for? right? I'm also NOT lynching Austin who is active and answering questions. How is this not making sense to you?
Ok, gotcha. But like I said earlier, what irks me is the fact that you are willing to lynch based on the premise that "we cant possibly have 4 IOs" which is something I disagree with.
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