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On July 08 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: johnny is probably town, get your votes off him. Maju for example is far better target, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with my Chezinu-analysis you should be obviously voting for him. Honestly, I'd say that him flipping scum wouldn't surprise me. That nuke was insane as either alignment but makes slightly more sense as scum. Still, there are so many shady characters in the thread right now that I'm inclined to lynch one of them. Chezinu should reveal himself as scum more easily as the game continues (given his apparently careless play). | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:08 johnnywup wrote: These are the posts that WoS has made that have any value whatsoever: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript town Gumshoe town Not sure on everyone else yet Be back again sooooooooooooooooooooon On July 07 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope, not ready to lynch Rayn---I can read him pretty decently for the most part I feel so I'm gonna let him stick around. I remember thinking someone else was pretty scummy actually (and I still think it's MORE likely that Chez is scum than he isn't but whatever)...oh yeah, johnnywup. This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat. On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: You know what's funny? Both of the people voting for me currently have provided absolutely zero reasoning as to why I'm scum. So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript. EVERYTHING else has been sarcasm/joking/talking about other games/trying to get people to bandwagon me/etc. I'll skip the first post because it's only arguably substantial. I mean, the other two are somewhat large posts (mostly because of the quotes) but all he really says is -quote- "This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat." Which doesn't really say anything either. He is obviously wanting to get people against me at this point but isn't willing to come straight out and say I'm scum. And even what he's saying isn't that substantial...he missed what I was saying. "-quote- So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. -quote- This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript." Don't you see it? HE'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING. He skips over everything I said and said "lol so ur calling me bad. ur scum" And he's not speculating on anything either, he's just saying "wow this is fishy! 2 people are voting me!" He hasn't made any post that says anything. This is every single post. He hasn't really done anything this whole game except say I'm scum. And I'm not scum. So the fact that he's focusing every single post on me is more than a little fishy for me. Hmm. Well, definitely WoS is being too wishy-washy and non-contributive for my liking. Maybe it's just that I tunneled him all D1 in my previous game (PTP) for much worse stuff (mindless sheeping, flip-flopping on his opinions etc.) and he was town, so that might be the case again this game (him being a scummy-looking townie). At the very least this post makes you look better yourself. | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah because clearly the strongest advocate for the biggest lynch wagon must be scum. Scum love to be the center of attention and troll and push their 'scumreads.' K. Anyway let me comment on some other stuff. Dandel is much lurkier as scum than town so mabes keep an eye on him. He tends not to give a shit about anything at all which is certainly evident thus far. As far as another lurker lynch I don't like it. There are WAAAYYY too many people who fit that description at this time and while I'd agree that there must be scum amongst them right now, it's basically a crapshoot and I don't know what our odds look like. Who is who thought Onegu might be scum? From watching his newbie games I'm pretty sure I could pick him out so let me have a look. Well, those are some good points as well. I think that Onegu might be a better lynch than either you or johnnywup atm. So yeah, please take a look  | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote: They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it? Buff nuke? Are there such nukes? Well, anything is possible I guess. Do you honestly believe we're both scum and he's just trying to buff me like this though? If not, why speculate about it? There are many more useful topics out there right now, after all. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. It's hard NOT to be defensive in his situation (me and geript mainly were pressuring him for quite some time). I can understand him wanting to lynch Chezinu, a part of me also wants to lynch Chezinu right now. He has added zero value to the game and has even actively played anti-town by trolling and nuking me. That's why I'm also puzzled about your townread on Chezinu? Could you elaborate? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:08 geript wrote: Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow -- Something's off with WoS. I absolutely hate his town read on Gumshoe when it came out; it just reeks of scum play. I really hate this post + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? I fully expected WoS to respond to this with a joke, but his list is a bit too random. Ace (solid towny), SnB (lurker), CA (scummy lurker), Whoops (stupid town). It feels very much like a "joke" response scum list I gave to Dandel last game. It's neither a true joke, but it's also not moving the game forward. I really hate this defense. He should at least see the irony in that he hasn't provided any reasons for voting Whoops which is pretty much I did for voting him. His filter is just exceptionally aimless and pandering. There's just not any attempt what I I perceive as typical WoS scum hunting. Onegu -- Last night/this morning I was really feeling an Onegu lynch. Something's changed when I read it today. I'm going to shift him back to null after rereading NMM XLIII Vayne -- He's not being arrogant at all which is what I remember from the town games of his that I've read/played/whatever. I don't have much experience with him, but he at least seems to try albeit seemingly badly and there's just no effort whatsoever being put in. His lack of attitude is just really putting me off. austin -- I just feel like this is exactly how he played the last game PTP and nothing like PYP. Austin as town is much, much better than this. I just really don't feel like feel like he's anything more than null which for him is pretty much a scum tell. caucasainasian -- He came in bitching about the thread and left. This is like a trademarked Gonzaw scumread. Both of his posts are essentially saying, "Uh I'm worthless right now but I'm here so you know guys stuff." Hmm. I agree about austinmcc. He felt useless in PTP unlike his town play (which is clearly townish) - and he *was* scum in PTP. I guess you could say that if he isn't townish, he's most likely scum. It's been enough time now IMO for him to start appearing townish, so unless he steps up soon, I feel like he almost has to be scum. What changed your read on Onegu to null? Vayne and caucasianasian feel null to me. Hard to say townish or scummy yet. WoS's play bothers me somewhat, but his play was worse IMO in PTP (and he was town). I'm not willing to lynch him yet, especially since there are better choices. Like Onegu, austinmcc, MajuGarzett, Abenson... Maybe even Dandel Ion for his very different play compared to his town play in PTP. Chezinu maybe, although it might be better to wait on him. | ||
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##Unvote Not completely sure yet about who we should lynch instead. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:32 geript wrote: Who's on your "yeah I could lynch that guy" list? Let's put it into two categories for now. Priority (today): austinmcc, Onegu Secondary (D2/D3 depending on what happens): Chezinu, WoS, Dandel Ion, TanGeng, Abenson Probably like that. Gotta reread stuff though. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:34 geript wrote: I think I answered the point on Onegu. His play just looks slightly different to that of the NMM game I hosted and I'd rather have more time to see his thought process as he was pretty obviously scum in that game. Hmmm. Well, I guess there's nothing obviously scummy about him so far, but it just feels like a weaker scum player who's posting filler for the sake of posting. Mostly a gutread though. | ||
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##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think. Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town. I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though. What does your last sentence mean? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: If MZ does not die to the nuke there is no way he is town. ? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:08 austinmcc wrote: Right now? Super active people need to stop posting so much. AMG THAT'S NOT SCUMHUNTING? Nope. Posting so much makes scumhunting harder, makes it more likely people will skim over important things, allows scum to hide, makes people who aren't contributing feel like they don't need to because other people are doing the work. If you guys calm down a little, finding scum will be easier. Other than that, I can't tell you anything at the moment, I don't think. That's not exactly reassuring about your alignment... :/ | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also whoever had a townread on Ace, explain. I don't see anything alignment indicative from him. Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote: As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy. I'm basically just asking filler questions I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be. As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me. That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me. Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you. Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of. On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: Right now I pretty much just hate this thread. I'm reading it, but not fully processing it, because a lot of it has nothing to do with anything and I wish people would quit posting so much. The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?). Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. But I also don't want to read filter at this point because he's been involved in all this early silliness. Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually he did not defend me at all. Both you and him misread my post, what else could he have said? Well, it was a confusing time, but his interactions with both you and me felt townish to me. It felt like he was trying to understand and help, and definitely felt like he was (at least softly) defending you there. Not putting him as a clear townread based on that, but leaning town definitely. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: TanGeng what makes you think geript is scum? Xata, reasonable would be the word i would describe Ace atm. That certainly does not make him town and MZ is either scum or really wrong with his reasoning. Reasonable..? I've observed one game where Ace was scum. There he just posted some random filler and stayed out of the discussion. Those early-game interactions this game felt very townish compared to that. He's not a good lynch for now at least, that's for certain. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:35 austinmcc wrote: Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo. No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait. Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that. | ||
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