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On July 10 2013 17:32 johnnywup wrote:
I'm nearly sure chezinu is town, xatalos, despite him being..himself I guess?
A few of his posts have included references to North Korea. Combined with the fact that he had an unstable nuke, he has a role almost identical to mine. My role is also North Korea themed with an unstable nuke. I am town. I think it's a logical step to say that two nearly identical roles (the only thing being changed is how long the timer is until the nuke blows) are of the same alignment. It's likely he is Kim Jong il, as I am Kim Jong un.
Why the hosts thought North Korea was on the townie side of things is beyond me, however.
I'd be careful to base reads on role flavor (or mechanics). Do you have some other reason for believing him to be town?
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Hihi and welcome. You'll have a lot of work ahead of you to convince us of your townishness after your scummy lurker predecessors...
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On July 10 2013 20:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I am Abenson 2.0!
Jesus this thread is long, I'll do my best to catch up.
Time to make up for what happened to me in PTP 
Have you followed the game at all before this? Scumreads, new angles on previous events?
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On July 10 2013 20:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 20:19 Xatalos wrote:On July 10 2013 20:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I am Abenson 2.0!
Jesus this thread is long, I'll do my best to catch up. Time to make up for what happened to me in PTP Have you followed the game at all before this? Scumreads, new angles on previous events? I did nothing at all before you PM'd me.
I didn't PM you, Xfire did. And you gave him false info which lead to me being Day-Vigi'd. But whatever, that's in the past (and you didn't even do it on purpose or on gross negligence, so it was more like a combination of several people's fault).
More importantly, have you read the thread at all yet? What do you think of Ace or austinmcc for example?
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Ah ok, nevermind then. Freshen your mind and get to reading 
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I see austin is your top scumread, Oatsmaster. What about Ace? I feel like austin at least has a reasonable chance of being town after all.
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LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).
If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:
1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way
2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this
But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.
##Unvote
austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.
The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).
Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.
##Vote MajuGarzett
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On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote:
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things?
Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on).
With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely).
But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.
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On July 11 2013 04:46 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it).
If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons:
1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way
2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this
But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further.
##Unvote
austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town.
The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job).
Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.
##Vote MajuGarzett You maths don't work...scum!
Enlighten me with your math skills.
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On July 11 2013 05:41 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote:
Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim.
##Vote MajuGarzett While not all my posts have reads in them, I don't think its fair to call them fluff. At the very least I was trying to gain more information with which to make decisions by pressuring other players. On the reaction to Rayn, I was in the thread and expressed interest, then I left and by the time I was back all the talk about Rayn's motives had happened and after reading it I wasn't suspicious of him. Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh and maju I am pretty sure is scum after reading his filter, doesn't form any original reads, doesn't give reasons for why people are town, scummy response to the rayn thing etc. it's pretty bad. Of the 4 people rayn set out this is the only one I feel comfortable sheeping.
Dandel or maju today for me, gonna start a wagon on maju and see what happens
##vote: majugarzett VA says I never formed new reads but I think I was one of the first to talk about being suspicious of VA. I know I was suspicious of him before Firm Tofu brought it up. I also think my points against Onegu were novel. I would like clarification on how I was scummy on the Rayn thing unless its for the same reasdons that Xata stated. I'm willing to give DI's replacement some time. As there were others who suspected VA and none on Onegu ##Vote: VayneAuthority
VA isn't looking too good either, and I'm pretty sure you two aren't scum together, so it might be best to lynch one of you two today (another's red flip would somewhat clear the remaining one). Currently leaning on you, but you can try to convince me otherwise.
Maybe you were genuinely AFK after making that brief comment on rayn's claim, maybe you weren't. It looks pretty weird to have ONE sentence on the whole big issue (that didn't even express your opinion in any direction... why?). My gut feeling tells me that you, as scum, could have been confused by the claim (since it was launched by your team) and avoided the whole weird situation by commenting briefly (and vaguely) and leaving until it was resolved. That at least feels like the most natural explanation.
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On July 11 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 07:03 Xatalos wrote:On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote:
Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things? Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on). With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely). But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1. I will mostly agree with this if I didn't have my role PM. Some thoughts: - Read Oats's filter and take out the defense. He's got pages, way more than I remembered, yet most of it is one-off comments on something that happened or asking someone for their reads. The filter reads like involvement w/o any sort of pushing the game forward himself
- His defense on you is pretty much the towniest thing in there. However, unless he just did it for fun, it had to be activated in thread. scumOats would have a hard time using that on a scumbuddy because - (1) if the scumbuddy is being nuked because of consensus scumread, Oats can't really go YOLO SAVE THAT DUDE and (2) if he or his defense target ever flip scum, the other guy is heavily implicated. IMO, he doesn't give up much by defending a townie, he stops one KP but gives himself carte blanche for a bit.
- Sweet Jesus maybe he's just having a bad day, but he can admit that. You find me scummy for some of my play, but I don't think I'm your tip-top scumread. Oats walks in and I'm his #1 scumread, he doesn't seem to have read thread, and he doesn't seem to BE reading thread as we talk (MZ can shut down nuke factories, therefore scum probably have nuke factories; he doesn't seem to remember why I was scummy on FirmTofu at one point, even though he AGREED with my read at that point)
Another way to look at it is...you're mafia and you have a one-shot save from a nuke, but you have to post in thread to activate it. Do you use it on a buddy or on town?
Well, I guess that makes sense. It'd be pretty risky (maybe practically impossible) to save a scumbuddy with that. Even at LYLO it might out you (AND your scumbuddy), losing the game. So it's not unimaginable for scum Oatsmaster to save me with it and bank some nice towncred early on to avoid attention.
Now that I think about it, if I was scum and in Oatsmaster's situation, I would very possibly use it on a townie to gain easy towncred. Of course if there was an active and somewhat townish scum player, that might be an OK target as well... Although it might backfire heavily if one of you two flipped at any point. Yeah, it's definitely safer to use it on townie. Especially if there is nobody even semi-townish in the scumteam, it would basically be suicide to save any of your scumbuddies, and saving even just a *semi*-townish player would cast doubt on you.
On the other hand, it would also make sense to save it for endgame - maybe there's a situation where you have 2 scum (Oatsmaster + semi-townish scum) and 3 townies (all null or semi-townish), then you could acceptably save your scumbuddy from a nuke. So I wouldn't completely negate the town points his anti-nuke gave him, but it seems logical to reduce them a bit after thinking about his *realistic* options.
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On July 11 2013 07:46 Ace wrote:
Xatalos you're kinda hasty with the judgement. You shot that nuke didn't you?
LOL no. Unless you forgot - I already roleclaimed during D1. Are you accusing me of fakeclaiming? What would I possibly have gained from that?
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Going to sleep now, continued tomorrow.
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On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town
Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.)
Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff).
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Hmm so Ace and MajuGarzett have nukes. Nice for my clearest scumreads to have nukes 
Jampidampi is okay. XigXag already got nuked. VA is okay as well (Ace can shoot MajuGarzett unless MajuGarzett's nuke is pro-town enough for now).
Sorry gotta go but more later.
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On July 11 2013 17:18 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote:
So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. Maju's nuke is impending. The two hour interval Maju gave is almost at hand. We need your opinion Xatalos. Who would you rather see nuked: jampidampi or VayneAuthority?
Hard to say. Both null / slightly scummy. Why not both if Ace and MG have nukes? If had to choose, maybe jampidampi since VA and MG probably aren't scum together and MG is pretty scummy himself. Can't post more until later sorry.
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Back.
Ace casually accused me of lying and twisting facts here...
On July 11 2013 08:16 Ace wrote:
just yesterday you were willing to believe the nuke came from scum after rayne's lie, and now you conveniently believe it came from 3p?
Also most everyone DID NOT assume rayne's plan was legit. Go back and read that day. You are stretching the truth of what actually happened.
On July 11 2013 08:17 Ace wrote:
wow another lie. I was focused on talking about policy?
Really?
Once again, go back and look at how we got into the no lynch thing. I NEVER said anything about no lynching. Look at who brought up that discussion when they questioned me.
1) The nuke on Meapak was clearly not pro-town. First of all, it was never claimed (town at least *should* have claimed). Secondly, it was not aimed at a lurker or lynch candidate. This all lead me to believe that it was coming from scum (or possibly an anti-town 3rd party, but more likely from scum, since they have more members and thus potentially more nukes). On the other hand, the nuke on you wasn't anti-town (you're scummy and thus useful for scum even if you're town) - but it was never claimed either (which town would have most likely done). This leads to the most logical explanation: it came from a 3rd party. If anyone sees a flaw in my logic, please point it out.
2) You're the one stretching truth here. I only said "most (everyone?)", not "most everyone". Obviously you weren't the only one, but I wrote that hastily and couldn't remember anyone else who thought rayn was a liar after he revealed his plan, so I wrote "most" and added in "(everyone?)" just in case there actually wasn't anyone else after all (although I was pretty sure there was someone else as well - geript?). I only talked about it with you, though, and the majority agreed with me, with nobody else than you visibly showing doubt, so it's ridiculous to call me a liar or even "stretching truth" based on that (maybe sub-optimal) choice of wording.
3) Correct, you never admitted to advocating a no-lynch. That would be suicide. What you did was cleverly hide it into "double-killing" someone who was already nuked. There was a slight chance that it would kill a player who was being fake-nuked or something, but - most likely, almost certainly - it would just lead to the same end result as a no-lynch. That's anti-town compared to even lynching a random lurker. You can run from the truth but you can't hide.
On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote:
4. Stutters695
14. Strongandbig
15. Gumshoe
19. CaucasianAsian
5. Z-BosoN
6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel)
13. VayneAuthority
22. jampidampi
This list is actually Chezinu's most significant contribution so far. Granted, it's not much, but providing it without being under any pressure makes me feel slightly better about him being chaotic evil town rather than chaotic evil scum. I also agree with the list except CA (too random ramblings and thought patterns to be crafted IMO).
On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote:On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote:
I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.) Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff). Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active.
Hmm. You mean the radiation nukes could be invisible and unnotified? I doubt that. Maybe I should ask hosts some questions about this next though (they revealed surprisingly much last time I asked).
On July 11 2013 20:18 xigxag wrote:
Great, by the time I finally read the whole thread I've already been nuked. I was so excited to hunt scum and finally play the game. Screw you guys I'm leaving and I'm taking my ball, in this case my brain, with me.
On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote:
Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now.
You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game.
So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke.
LOL. Just... lol. Both of these reactions to being nuked are basically "fuck you all, not gonna play anymore". Reminds me a lot of Meapak's (as scum) reaction to being day-vigi'd in PTP: "that's some bullshit". Basically: angry - insulting - martyring - stop giving any additional information with your flip. Compare this to me or Meapak (heck, even Ace!!!) after being nuked: continuing to play, discussing and scumhunting. I have zero regrets for XigXag and jampidampi being nuked atm. And I can accept why saving Ace might have been okay - at least his reaction to being nuked was townish, heavily unlike XigXag and jampidampi.
On July 10 2013 23:26 strongandbig wrote:
Hi newbmen
I want to lynch vayne today. Or possibly Austin, or if someone writes a big case on someone else I'll consider it. I don't want to lynch ace yet but I guess I will actually have to look into his filter if people really want to go for him. Can someone summarize or make explicit the case on him?
This post just drips red all around. "I want to lynch VA, oh maybe austin, if I can easily sheep someone I'll do it, I don't want to lynch Ace atm but if I can sheep someone to him that's fine too". Basically anyone is fine unless strongandbig has to actually pursue his own reads(?) or, the horror, scumhunt!!
On July 09 2013 07:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 07:11 Xatalos wrote:
Btw GUMSHOE why did you ninjavote ON despite never even suspecting him? Like, what? Your last post in the thread is like ages ago. I just voted with who I thought was town. I havent actually caught up on the thread though seeing as I'm a litte hung up on losing Basterd and not getting any nukes. Though I'm hoping not to massively disappoint you again in the exact same matter XD I'll provide as many reads as I can before the night deadline. Mean time same deal as before, any direct requests?
This shows the same (or almost equally bad) attitude to scumhunting. I thought you were town gumshoe
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Abenson was pretty scummy and Sentinel (his replacement) hasn't done much yet to prove otherwise. Nuking XigXag is an okay start though, I guess.
So now XigXag and jampidampi are dead. That's fine with me. Ace being saved made me enraged at first, but upon comparing the reactions of XigXag/jampidampi vs. Ace to being nuked, I can see a case for Ace being town. That's why MajuGarzett shall remain as my vote. VA could be an option as well, but I really doubt that MG and VA are scum together and MG flipping scum would (at least partially) clear VA, and I feel MG is the scummiest of these two, so he should be our lynch atm. Nuking jampidampi is fine in itself, but the way he "put the blame off of him" and didn't nuke his own scumreads isn't a townish approach to using KP.
On July 12 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
jampi, im pretty sure you are town now, help us out and dump reads.
Why is jampidampi suddenly town?
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On July 12 2013 01:38 Ace wrote:
this game is awesome.
So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself?
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On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote:
FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target.
The one on jampidampi? Why?
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On July 12 2013 01:44 Ace wrote:@Firm: I didn't say I received the nuke Night 1. I got the PM in the middle of the day. @Xalatos: I probably can
Go for it!
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