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On June 11 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont like gravity man backing down on his scumread on you hapa, when you wanted to call him scum for it. It looked like he was going for damage control and stuff.
Well the thing is that he really never calls me scum.
He spreads a lot of suspicion on me and says I can't be trusted, but never actually justified why. And then at a certain point, he arrives at a town-read on me.
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On June 11 2013 18:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2013 18:16 Blazinghand wrote:
god you know what oats might be town just for thinking that he was going to trick me into "revealing" what i think scum hapa could do to convince me scum hapa is scum from this position. That's such a juvenile thought process on how to catch someone that I just can't imagine someone FAKING that. it's. it's like wat
man i don't even
man man it wasnt even a trick dude. Dont think so much. Think simple. Really? Might I remind you that you think I'm scum because I apparently understand my scum-play so much that I adapted and am magically playing an active scum-game despite having a reputation of being a terrible scum-player and having a large established history of it. And that I'm taking a town-leadership role which I've never come close to attempting to take in my scum-games ever. Ever. Instead of - town Hapa is leading the town like he always does. =/
whens the last time you played scum?
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On June 11 2013 18:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont like gravity man backing down on his scumread on you hapa, when you wanted to call him scum for it. It looked like he was going for damage control and stuff.
Well the thing is that he really never calls me scum. He spreads a lot of suspicion on me and says I can't be trusted, but never actually justified why. And then at a certain point, he arrives at a town-read on me.
it was a scumread not mentioned. But yeah he stopped attacking you not cause the reasons were good, but because he was afraid you were gonna push him.
why you gotta look so townie NOW hapa. Why. .. .
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My core is charged and I am ready to determine who is scum. It seems this game may prove to be quite difficult to find a solution to, espcially if we look solely towards active posters who appear to care about what happens within the town.
As such, I am confused as to the suspicions that people appear to have towards me. Is there a problem with the methodology I have been using throughout this game? Will firing a bullet through my positronic brain or central processing units make it easier to solve the game? If so then I welcome it, however I would argue that said bullet is probably better used on those that we are either sure are scum or are proving exceedingly difficult to read due to lack of activity.
I am curious overall as to why my actions towards this Hapahauli earlier in the game appear to be misrepresented by the members of the town I am attempting to protect. I believed I made it clear that since I had no idea as to his credentials or what he was capable of, I could not trust him until he showed himself capable, which, as the day progressed, he appeared to.
It could be my advanced intellect granted to me by my creator shining through, however this seems exceedingly simple to me.
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Alright, clarification statement here:
Here is what I meant about erratic behaviour:
- BH starts out the game lurker style but then comes out guns blazing against Oats in a flamefest war which I frankly don't understand the point of. Neither of them really got their point to each other.
- Hapa attacks Vayne then goes 'nah all cool' and moves on like nothing happened. Vayne is pretty much confirmed town at this point, but at the time when it happened I had no idea what to make of it.
- Stutter's lurkiness is similar to LXI, hard to make out anything from it - this is probably the most normal thing about this town during D1.
- Vayne goes scum style posting into blue claim, weirdest play to date (I missed the hints, but apparently everyone did)
- Axle is actually making sense for once, which is the weirdest thing unless I haven't played with him long enough for him to be more normal like this?
- I don't think I've played a game with Hapa before, but he's probably the most level headed player in this group from what I've seen.
None of this actually really helps in the end with scumhunting, but it just threw me off guard to see these changes. For tonight, about the potential shot, probably best not to use it if you're not sure Hapa. If things go wrong and we're looking at an SK or something in the mix, town numbers could be at an all time low in just 1 day/night cycle.
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Why syl.
Whyyyy.
Whos scum?
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On June 12 2013 00:38 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, clarification statement here:
Here is what I meant about erratic behaviour:
- BH starts out the game lurker style but then comes out guns blazing against Oats in a flamefest war which I frankly don't understand the point of. Neither of them really got their point to each other.
- Hapa attacks Vayne then goes 'nah all cool' and moves on like nothing happened. Vayne is pretty much confirmed town at this point, but at the time when it happened I had no idea what to make of it.
- Stutter's lurkiness is similar to LXI, hard to make out anything from it - this is probably the most normal thing about this town during D1.
- Vayne goes scum style posting into blue claim, weirdest play to date (I missed the hints, but apparently everyone did)
- Axle is actually making sense for once, which is the weirdest thing unless I haven't played with him long enough for him to be more normal like this?
- I don't think I've played a game with Hapa before, but he's probably the most level headed player in this group from what I've seen.
None of this actually really helps in the end with scumhunting, but it just threw me off guard to see these changes. For tonight, about the potential shot, probably best not to use it if you're not sure Hapa. If things go wrong and we're looking at an SK or something in the mix, town numbers could be at an all time low in just 1 day/night cycle.
it's not very weird at all scummy posting doesnt get you night killed so i usually make good use of blue roles. the circumstances and such a fast bandwagon from a group of lurkers made this not possible.
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Vayne, please never play to stay alive. All it does is make people suspicious of you and waste their time if you are town.
Play the towniest possible and you will see people starting to listen and sheep and not wanna lynch you.
Fuck blue roles man.
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On June 12 2013 01:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 00:38 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, clarification statement here:
Here is what I meant about erratic behaviour:
- BH starts out the game lurker style but then comes out guns blazing against Oats in a flamefest war which I frankly don't understand the point of. Neither of them really got their point to each other.
- Hapa attacks Vayne then goes 'nah all cool' and moves on like nothing happened. Vayne is pretty much confirmed town at this point, but at the time when it happened I had no idea what to make of it.
- Stutter's lurkiness is similar to LXI, hard to make out anything from it - this is probably the most normal thing about this town during D1.
- Vayne goes scum style posting into blue claim, weirdest play to date (I missed the hints, but apparently everyone did)
- Axle is actually making sense for once, which is the weirdest thing unless I haven't played with him long enough for him to be more normal like this?
- I don't think I've played a game with Hapa before, but he's probably the most level headed player in this group from what I've seen.
None of this actually really helps in the end with scumhunting, but it just threw me off guard to see these changes. For tonight, about the potential shot, probably best not to use it if you're not sure Hapa. If things go wrong and we're looking at an SK or something in the mix, town numbers could be at an all time low in just 1 day/night cycle. it's not very weird at all scummy posting doesnt get you night killed so i usually make good use of blue roles. the circumstances and such a fast bandwagon from a group of lurkers made this not possible.
How does it help when you force yourself to claim to survive? Blue roles have no power if they are dead before they get results.
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On June 12 2013 01:15 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 01:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 12 2013 00:38 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, clarification statement here:
Here is what I meant about erratic behaviour:
- BH starts out the game lurker style but then comes out guns blazing against Oats in a flamefest war which I frankly don't understand the point of. Neither of them really got their point to each other.
- Hapa attacks Vayne then goes 'nah all cool' and moves on like nothing happened. Vayne is pretty much confirmed town at this point, but at the time when it happened I had no idea what to make of it.
- Stutter's lurkiness is similar to LXI, hard to make out anything from it - this is probably the most normal thing about this town during D1.
- Vayne goes scum style posting into blue claim, weirdest play to date (I missed the hints, but apparently everyone did)
- Axle is actually making sense for once, which is the weirdest thing unless I haven't played with him long enough for him to be more normal like this?
- I don't think I've played a game with Hapa before, but he's probably the most level headed player in this group from what I've seen.
None of this actually really helps in the end with scumhunting, but it just threw me off guard to see these changes. For tonight, about the potential shot, probably best not to use it if you're not sure Hapa. If things go wrong and we're looking at an SK or something in the mix, town numbers could be at an all time low in just 1 day/night cycle. it's not very weird at all scummy posting doesnt get you night killed so i usually make good use of blue roles. the circumstances and such a fast bandwagon from a group of lurkers made this not possible. How does it help when you force yourself to claim to survive? Blue roles have no power if they are dead before they get results.
yea because i really wanted to claim...This happened because town like jampi just jumped into the thread and didnt read shit and bandwagoned. if you want to blame me for half the game lurking and forcing me to claim then fine.
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On June 12 2013 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne, please never play to stay alive. All it does is make people suspicious of you and waste their time if you are town.
Play the towniest possible and you will see people starting to listen and sheep and not wanna lynch you.
Fuck blue roles man.
The case on me is average at best, its consistent with my play in both alignments. too many lurkers.
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On June 12 2013 01:18 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 01:15 Sylencia wrote:On June 12 2013 01:12 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 12 2013 00:38 Sylencia wrote:
Alright, clarification statement here:
Here is what I meant about erratic behaviour:
- BH starts out the game lurker style but then comes out guns blazing against Oats in a flamefest war which I frankly don't understand the point of. Neither of them really got their point to each other.
- Hapa attacks Vayne then goes 'nah all cool' and moves on like nothing happened. Vayne is pretty much confirmed town at this point, but at the time when it happened I had no idea what to make of it.
- Stutter's lurkiness is similar to LXI, hard to make out anything from it - this is probably the most normal thing about this town during D1.
- Vayne goes scum style posting into blue claim, weirdest play to date (I missed the hints, but apparently everyone did)
- Axle is actually making sense for once, which is the weirdest thing unless I haven't played with him long enough for him to be more normal like this?
- I don't think I've played a game with Hapa before, but he's probably the most level headed player in this group from what I've seen.
None of this actually really helps in the end with scumhunting, but it just threw me off guard to see these changes. For tonight, about the potential shot, probably best not to use it if you're not sure Hapa. If things go wrong and we're looking at an SK or something in the mix, town numbers could be at an all time low in just 1 day/night cycle. it's not very weird at all scummy posting doesnt get you night killed so i usually make good use of blue roles. the circumstances and such a fast bandwagon from a group of lurkers made this not possible. How does it help when you force yourself to claim to survive? Blue roles have no power if they are dead before they get results. yea because i really wanted to claim...This happened because town like jampi just jumped into the thread and didnt read shit and bandwagoned. if you want to blame me for half the game lurking and forcing me to claim then fine.
Alternatively you can avoid this completely by just being town in the first place and thus having 0 votes on you - magic, no need to claim.
@Oats: If GK doesn't have anything in the next 24 hours, I'd be willing to put money on a lurker scum team - something like him + stutters (maybe +1 if there's a third). The only one that sticks out is Blazinghand for causing chaos for no reason but idk if that's his playstyle - please fill me in there. Reasoning is everything has run too smoothly and there haven't felt like there have been any sort of misdirections so far. We had a blue claim on day 1, so having some sort of mayor takeover would be a pretty good idea in Day 1 for scum to take, as they can reliably target Vayne with no consequence. If he dies, he dies. If he doesn't, everyone just says someone protected him, and no one suspects the mayor. None of this happened, so unless Hapa is scum, everyone active seems town. Any problem with my reasoning?
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yes next game i will just never post, that seems to be how to be town in this game
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On June 12 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes next game i will just never post, that seems to be how to be town in this game
Can you not think of the game in terms of your own self preservation and about how to actually benefit town in the case you get mislynched? Getting killed/mislynched but providing town vital information at death isn't necessarily fun for you, but you would actually be trying to go towards the goal of finding all scum and eliminating them. Is that not better than reaching all the way down to 3 man mafia and having no information at all because everyone's playing for self preservation thus so much information is withheld until that point?
Anyways, I'm done for the night, I'll be back before the deadline though.
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On June 12 2013 01:38 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
yes next game i will just never post, that seems to be how to be town in this game Can you not think of the game in terms of your own self preservation and about how to actually benefit town in the case you get mislynched? Getting killed/mislynched but providing town vital information at death isn't necessarily fun for you, but you would actually be trying to go towards the goal of finding all scum and eliminating them. Is that not better than reaching all the way down to 3 man mafia and having no information at all because everyone's playing for self preservation thus so much information is withheld until that point? Anyways, I'm done for the night, I'll be back before the deadline though.
this is the problem with every day one and why im always up for lynch. i personally dont care at all about day 1 as its mostly guess work, the game doesnt really start until day 2 unless theres a player with an obvious meta break like jampi and you can see how that isnt foolproof.
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@ Gravity Man
Can you once and for all clear up your game history with me?
I am curious overall as to why my actions towards this Hapahauli earlier in the game appear to be misrepresented by the members of the town I am attempting to protect. I believed I made it clear that since I had no idea as to his credentials or what he was capable of, I could not trust him until he showed himself capable, which, as the day progressed, he appeared to.
You just mentioned that you didn't know who I was when you started playing this game, however that's a patent lie. You even used your own game-history with me to justify a town-read with me earlier in the game:
On June 11 2013 04:34 GravityMan wrote:
Given our past history, I believe the following represents how I view the above post:
##Mayor Vote: Hapahauli
Note that I am aware of the issue of the detective claim from this VayneAuthority. Would you be certain that electing him would grant him some form of protection allowing him to make use of his role? This also assumes he can make use of his role well.
Secondly, I'm very dissatisfied with your scum-hunting contributions this game. You've pitched yourself as scum-hunter extraordinaire, yet the most analysis we've gotten from you is a "case" on Sylencia that almost entirely justifies killing him based on him lurking rather than actually being scummy.
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As always my weekends suck ass sorry. I'll be back in full force tonight.
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On June 11 2013 18:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 18:30 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2013 18:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 11 2013 18:16 Blazinghand wrote:
god you know what oats might be town just for thinking that he was going to trick me into "revealing" what i think scum hapa could do to convince me scum hapa is scum from this position. That's such a juvenile thought process on how to catch someone that I just can't imagine someone FAKING that. it's. it's like wat
man i don't even
man man it wasnt even a trick dude. Dont think so much. Think simple. Really? Might I remind you that you think I'm scum because I apparently understand my scum-play so much that I adapted and am magically playing an active scum-game despite having a reputation of being a terrible scum-player and having a large established history of it. And that I'm taking a town-leadership role which I've never come close to attempting to take in my scum-games ever. Ever. Instead of - town Hapa is leading the town like he always does. =/ whens the last time you played scum?
Dessert Mini, so probably a few months ago. Though keep in mind that I haven't played any game on TL in a few months.
On June 11 2013 18:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 18:31 Hapahauli wrote:On June 11 2013 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont like gravity man backing down on his scumread on you hapa, when you wanted to call him scum for it. It looked like he was going for damage control and stuff.
Well the thing is that he really never calls me scum. He spreads a lot of suspicion on me and says I can't be trusted, but never actually justified why. And then at a certain point, he arrives at a town-read on me. it was a scumread not mentioned. But yeah he stopped attacking you not cause the reasons were good, but because he was afraid you were gonna push him. why you gotta look so townie NOW hapa. Why. .. .
Isn't it good news that the guy who was elected mayor is townie? Why the sadface?
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On June 12 2013 02:15 Hapahauli wrote:@ Gravity Man Can you once and for all clear up your game history with me? Show nested quote +I am curious overall as to why my actions towards this Hapahauli earlier in the game appear to be misrepresented by the members of the town I am attempting to protect. I believed I made it clear that since I had no idea as to his credentials or what he was capable of, I could not trust him until he showed himself capable, which, as the day progressed, he appeared to. You just mentioned that you didn't know who I was when you started playing this game, however that's a patent lie. You even used your own game-history with me to justify a town-read with me earlier in the game: Show nested quote +On June 11 2013 04:34 GravityMan wrote:
Given our past history, I believe the following represents how I view the above post:
##Mayor Vote: Hapahauli
Note that I am aware of the issue of the detective claim from this VayneAuthority. Would you be certain that electing him would grant him some form of protection allowing him to make use of his role? This also assumes he can make use of his role well.
Secondly, I'm very dissatisfied with your scum-hunting contributions this game. You've pitched yourself as scum-hunter extraordinaire, yet the most analysis we've gotten from you is a "case" on Sylencia that almost entirely justifies killing him based on him lurking rather than actually being scummy.
I would be glad to.
I am not lying about having never before played a game of mafia alongside you or against you. I was referring to our past history within this current game, rather than another. When I said 'given our past history' I was referring to my earlier hesitation in trusting you with the mayoral title, but, as I recently mentioned, you adequately proved yourself to me through your activities throughout the day and as scuh, I was content to vote for you.
I apologize for not living up to your idea of what my contributions should be, though I am curious as to how you think I have done no analysis aside from my recent post regarding this Sylencia.
Have you forgotten multiple posts from earlier in the game?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754¤tpage=16#317
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415754¤tpage=20#400
It concerns me that it appears to you that I am not contributing simply because I have not written multiple cases on people. As for what you view as a case on Sylencia based on his lurking, there are valid points within that point to him being a member of the mafia, however I am hesitant because he himself pointed out that he is often 'lynchbait,' that is, someone who appears scummy but is actually town. Is his assessment of himself made in truth? Does this in fact happen to him in multiple games?
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It's somewhat distressing that you're not willing to look into Syl's game history and determine the veracity of his claims yourself.
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