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ShiaoPi
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Jampis vote does look terrible so I am willing to off him as well, but I'd like him to pop back into the thread and try to explain. I am currently on my phone right now and will be for most of the day, so can't do too much rereading filterdiving atm. I am here though and will keep checking the thread. ##unvote lynch | ||
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On June 11 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote: You really have no room to call me terrible when you led the fucking lynch on me, BH is excused but not you. Sorry that you jump to conclusions and can't actually scumhunt champ =( you cant seriously say that your play was optimal town. If you seriously believe that you are deluded. My case was legit, its just common sense not to lynch the cop claim | ||
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##Lynchvote: jampidampi | ||
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On June 11 2013 10:59 Blazinghand wrote: Am I alone on this oats thing? I think so yes | ||
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lol nuff said | ||
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On June 11 2013 11:09 Blazinghand wrote: given that it didn't succeed, the only person interested in lynching oats was the guy getting lynched, and i've been getting shit all day for being the only guy who has figured out oats is scum, i find your analysis pretty bad that guy is basically grasping at the straw you offered him. he said himself it is selfpreservation not scumread which motivates him on oats. fuck bh y so terrible | ||
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I think it is a good idea to use your powera tonight hapa. no guranteed protection makes you vulnerable now. Better uae it up now. BH could you like do some coherent thinking? If you are so convinced on oats, do a case, try convincing us instead of jus sayin oats is scum. | ||
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also you disagree with me voting jampi for the reawons i stated? juet to make sure, i got you correctly? | ||
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On June 11 2013 13:04 ShiaoPi wrote: axle am i reading you correctly that you are calling me out for being somewhat passive after the game started while I could have went in with a bang as in doing heavy analysis right off the bat? also you disagree with me voting jampi for the reawons i stated? juet to make sure, i got you correctly? answering to you now based on these premises: early game I am not too active usually, just how it is. Day 1s always are a bit tedious to get the ball roling. did try to do it with prodding vayne. I assume your main problem with me is the lack of activity between my last prod of vayne and my larger analysis post? first off I went to bed after prodding vayne. had a long day at university afterwards, so I could only return to the thread in the evening. As I am posting now, you know that I am able to read/check during the day via phone. I did that too yesterday. so you could say I was technically lurking. but it was first half of day 1 and I wanted to respond properly to the other mayoral candidates and nake my case on vayne which I am only able to do properly with my pc. as phoneposting is pretty annoying. in regards to why i did not start with analysis instantly. there was not much to analyze there yet. once there was i posted my case on vayne as i at that time disagreed with the reasons hapa provided to lynch jampi. i thought my suspicions were better funded on evidence. now onto my switch un regards to jampi. Mostly stems from the meta hapa provided after the copclaim and the sijgle post of jampi with which he voted. I was willing to let him get back and explain/contribute but when he did return the posts were underwhelming in comparison to the examples from his past games. also my top read claimed cop. following that train i think it is rather obviius ehy i voted jampi. | ||
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@axle: I dont think we should hold off shooting today. I am pretty sure on hapas townieness, dunno if we will have another mayor with whom i have that high confidence of being town (besides me ofc). Also while it is true that with number of players decreasing chance to hit scum is higher, but risk is also greater to get into mylo/lylo earlier than expected. I think if hapa vigs now we have more leeway | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:17 AxleGreaser wrote: yes thats what i am calling you out for. I grammar failed and didnt put the ? on this >How come you lurked for so long yesterday? So it was a question. the argument problem is if you were scum (that is easier for you to do than lots of analysis) it is also happens to be the argument for why the person you are pressuring stutters lurked. (lurking is easy to do even if eventually it attracts attention) I already stated my reasons earlier. I am pressuring stutters not only for lurking but also for having zero impact on the game. look at his posts. does he take stances? does he share reads? he is doing nothing and getting by with it until now. Now in comparison to me. yes, i lurked a while had rl business to attend to, but as soon as i got time i made my stances and reads pretty clear | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote: just shoot oats so he stops posting may i quote you? So helpful! go write your case and I might consider looking at oats again | ||
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On June 11 2013 14:37 AxleGreaser wrote: Assume todays mayor is scum, How much real choice does hapa have who he shoots today. "He" may have some, but if we chose to say have a player run in thread election N2 and decide today that tomorrows mayor will do the nk... N2...then that pretty much leaves the nk in town/thread hands. if scum got the role tomorrow theyd be brave to defy town. I dunno. its an idea. hmm, I dont see the clear benefit of waiting to vig. back to actually studying as long as neither bh/stutters/syl are doing stuff | ||
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On June 12 2013 03:30 GravityMan wrote: As I have just read through this ShiaoPi, I have come to a similar conclusion to you in that I do not believe he is scummy, though one section of one post of his stood out: Here he makes it seem as though his legitimate case on this VayneAuthority was nothing more than a way to get first-day discussion started. I am not sure why he would feel the need to downplay his earlier contribution unless he was for some reason worried that his assault of a pre-claimed cop would get him into trouble. Of course I also realize that he may be simply referring to his case as something that created discussion rather than an attempt to create discussion by making a case. Either way it struck me as being odd. The rest of his filter appears full of genuine attempts to divine alignment from other players while being overall unconcerned with the views of others regarding himself, a decidedly town-aligned trait. I agree that ShiaoPi should not be a concern based on his activity within this game, unless you have something to add from past games, Hapahauli? As for scum-reads, there is one I am currently working on besides this Sylencia; I will expand upon it soon. The prodding I am mentioning here is before I posted my case, the questions in which I tried to get him into a more talkative poster. On June 12 2013 09:05 Stutters695 wrote: Alright well since the crazy shooting stuff is over. Here's what I see: The main reason ShiaoPi was considered town early was that he was outgoing in trying to be mayor. I've already expressed why I think that is a bad metric so if you don't remember go read that. It's null. His case on Vayne felt town. What's concerned me since is his stance on jampi. He posts saying that jiampi felt genuine so hapas case was wrong, then once jampi comes back he demands his reads. Jampi gave him a very short version and Shiao decides to vote him (like 8 minutes after demanding the reads). I've read his rebuttal to axle but if that's how he felt he should have voiced it instead of just voting. He literally have jampi no chance. What's scummy about this to me is it feels like he's fishing for a reason to revert off his town read. He didn't discuss jampi at all after his town read and then voted him after giving him six minutes to rush out reads. If he had a town read on him why wouldn't he work with him to get reads out under the assumption he'd flip town or follow up after the initial reads were unsatisfactory? He just seems to not care about the lynch as long as he's trying to justify his vote. He's against saving the mayor power and wants me to be shot on no basis except that I've been away from the thread. That's not how you hit scum, it's how you waste kp and make town lose. Are you actually calling me scummy? where is your conclusion on to this post? Anyway. What you are stating here is easy to do in retrospective with the green flip of jampi. Keep in mind the timeline of events: -I post a case on Vayne, stay around for a while and then go to sleep -Coming back to the thread in the morning, be caught up around 2 hours to lynch. Unvote the copclaim, acknowledge the renewed meta case by hapa on jampi. I think this is probably where you think my switch is questionable, keep in mind that the earlier case of hapa here:+ Show Spoiler + On June 10 2013 11:08 Hapahauli wrote: -snip- 2) I've actually since changed my mind on him. He's my top scum-read right now, but I had planned on withholding this until he re-entered thread. This is the post I had written: + Show Spoiler + 1) He has a lack of natural suspicion. Him immediately trusting my words and supporting the ShaioPi campaign after displaying suspicion of it is not natural in the 7-minute window in which he did it. I had accepted his explanation as "open" before, but 7 minutes is an absurd turn-around. I'd expect him to be much more naturally suspicious in his 2nd non-newbie game ever on this site. I had bought his explanation (of sub-consciously trusting me as town) earlier, however I don't think it's as compelling as I had initially thought. All he's really doing is buddying up to me, which is nothing new for scum to do. 2) On June 09 2013 18:48 jampidampi wrote: A campaign being serious or not is based on the smilies. No smilies = serious campaign. Smilies = joke campaign. What makes a campaign is trying to get others to vote for you. Axle voted himself, because he didn't have better alternatives. But since he isn't asking others to vote him, it's not a campaign. @Hapa Are you trying to help Vayne play better or are you noting something you find somewhat scummy? Your post is not clear to me. The underlined question in this post makes no sense objectively. Jampi mentioned that he subconsciously trusted me as town, and seemingly has some sort of town-read on me. Furthermore, he answered Stutters question (directed towards me) in the first half of his post. If he's treating me as town, this question makes no sense. Because if he trusts me, my answer to this question has absolutely no relevancy towards anything (such as the read he's suggesting on Vayne). Futhermore, jampi just hasn't posted any content thusfar. He has 6-7 posts and absolutely zero meaningful content. Even with Day 1 caveats, jampis filter reads like an attempt to contribute by posting useless things. is much much weaker in my eyes then what he followed it up with here: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2013 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: So reading through the exchange in the last few pages, I don't think Oats is scum. He's trying to help in his own right, even though he's a bit misguided. Furthermore, his strategy of "antagonize all the vets" seems fairly suicidal for scum to do. Hell last time he attacked me as scum, he ended up getting lynched (Duke Nukem Mafia), so that should be pretty fresh in his mind. Jampi is by far the best lynch for today. He's produced fairly little content, and his vote on Vayne is by far the weakest. Carefully read the underlined passage. Jampi is NOT voting Vayne because he thinks Vayne is scum! He's voting Vayne because "it's hard to read him." That's a scumclaim. ##Vote Lynch: Jampidampi On June 11 2013 04:26 Hapahauli wrote: @ Gravity Man Jampi isn't as new of a player as you might believe. He has a history of 4 town-games, one of which is a hydra game with me, which leaves us with 3 to draw from. If there's one theme consistant across his play is that he's a very analytical player. His play (and especially his vote on Vayne) is so out of character with this. In his 1st Newbie game, it doesn't take much of a read in his filter to understand how analysis-heavy his style is. He's very straightforward, asks good questions, and is very useful to town. Consider posts like... In one post in his first newbie game on D1, he provided 30x the analysis that he's provided so far this game. And there's more just from the first page of his filter... I'd encourage you to read it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&user=jampidampi In his 2nd newbie game, take a look at how he makes his first vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=15#289 His 3rd newbie game is more of the same, and is even more analyitical. He nailed 2 of 3 scum on D1 and got shot immediately N1.. .just read the whole filter. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058&user=jampidampi So the explanation that jampi is a scared newbie rings very hollow to me. I'll admit that there's a very small possibility that he's gone into his first normal game too scared to do anything, but it's far more likely that his lack of contribution and terrible vote on Vayne (for reasons other than Vayne being scum) is because jampi is scum. especially these two posts are convincing to me. I already had a (now confirmed) very strong townread on Hapa at the time, so I was willing to sheep his vote. Since my initial read on jampi was townleaning, I now state that I want jampi to come back before I cast my vote:+ Show Spoiler + On June 11 2013 09:18 ShiaoPi wrote: well stuff went down while I was asleep I guess. Jampis vote does look terrible so I am willing to off him as well, but I'd like him to pop back into the thread and try to explain. I am currently on my phone right now and will be for most of the day, so can't do too much rereading filterdiving atm. I am here though and will keep checking the thread. ##unvote lynch At this point my expectations are fueled by the snippets of meta Hapa had posted earlier -Jampi is back around 15mins to lynch with a grand contribution of nothing. I do interact with him, try to get more out of him but there is nothing so I vote him since his chance to redeem himself in my eyes is gone. He was scummiest (not copclaimed) player at that time and with 4mins or sth left to lynch I vote for him. Does this sufficiently explain my switch on jampi to you? Now on why I wanted to shoot you, since you seem to take great offense at that. I still do not see how saving the shot until later is much better than using it now, but yeah not that it matters much now as vayne now has the gun/pardon. Hapa asked for candidates to get shot, I named you for lurking around, not contributing and getting ignored by most of town until now. I think it likely that at least one scum is hiding inside the lurkers, which at time of my post were you, syl and gk. I have not played with you stutters, so I am unfamiliar with your meta, to me you were what I said above, either scum or a liability to town. Syl was admittedly not much better but I got townie vibes from his posts, gk had just replaced in so he got a pass from me. so with one scumleaning lurker, one townleaning lurker and a replacement, which target would you propose to get shot? My suggestion was simply logical. Since then your play has been much better, but I am curious. What is your current read of me? You never finished your post with a conclusion something I really dislike.... Splitting my post up now since it is becoming an abomination of a wall of text. Updated reads coming up next | ||
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