EPTAnyway the point I made still stands...in future I think we have to claim in that order.
Kita I don't think Sent read the thread either way honestly. What benefit is there as scum to lying about knowing a teammate's role?
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Anyway the point I made still stands...in future I think we have to claim in that order. Kita I don't think Sent read the thread either way honestly. What benefit is there as scum to lying about knowing a teammate's role? | ||
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On June 14 2013 04:25 jaybrundage wrote: Also what's your ign i didn't know you played lol :D We need to get some forum mafia LoL games going....I don't have time for lol lately though because baby and whatnot. I'll be in and out sporadically btw until later this evening if anyone has anything they want to ask/talk about. | ||
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On June 14 2013 21:26 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not seeing how it makes sense to lynch Sent first. Either Vivax is lying about his check, Sent is town, or there 17% chance that he rolled godfather. In each scenario, it makes more sense to lynch someone else first. Between Vivax and prpl, I think Vivax is more likely to flip mafia. ##Vote Vivax Is Vivax good enough at scum to have played the way he did? | ||
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That analysis realy strikes a chord with me and tbh I'm pretty sure you removed all doubt from mind as to your alignment. Either that or you're experienced scum? I don't know your history on the forum so I don't really know that. Whatever if you are scum then gg. I realized just now I'm going to have to vote before the end of the day because I won't be around at deadline and my trouble is based on posting alone it doesn't seem to make sense that Vivax is scum. I know it's probably the more correct move to hit Vivax before Sent but lynching based on blue role stuff hasn't done us great thus far this game. I know what I did, and I RBed Sent last night, there was no NK. His posting has been worse than godawful for most of the game. I'm going to take a gamble here. ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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The thing is we probably had to off Sent no matter what like Kita just said, he was too scummy to let live at any point. At the very least right now we have some town confirmations (unless scum withheld shots). | ||
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On June 16 2013 07:43 layabout wrote: If i die remember to kill sent, prplhz and stutters Oh that's who we should kill? k. | ||
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Ok claims guys, in the order we determined. VT this time. | ||
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I'm unsure as to whether we should continue to wait and figure out why we're missing them, or whether people should just claim outright. Where the fuck is everyone? | ||
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On June 16 2013 13:40 mkfuba07 wrote: Yeah... Well, in an attempt to get discussion moving again, I guess I'll just come out and say it. I've thought it through and I don't see any information that I could give away now that scum don't already know. I was the Veteran last night, and I got hit. The role's been removed. I haven't really sat down and tried to think it through. Are we thinking scum RB or town RB to start? | ||
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More comfortable voting him over Vivax. I've found it often to be true that when there are two vote wagons that are very close in vote numbers, they are often both town or both scum. (More often both town). I would not be surprised if Sent and Vivax were both town for this reason. Also I fully take credit for being the first one to point out prplhz's Rayn flipflop. | ||
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I'd do less railing against your attackers and more predeaths reads. What are your thoughts on the final two being people town is least likely to suspect? Ie me, kita, fuba We were burned pretty hard in a recent mini and we didn't consider EVERY option then. | ||
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On June 18 2013 07:29 prplhz wrote: @wos i don't think that you or fuba are scum because you pushed rayn on d1. i have nothing on kita either, biggest point was his case on ace. while he ended up going against it i think that was completely reasonable and i don't think he'd write a huge case on ace as the very first thing in the game if ace was his scum buddy. i also don't think that lay is scum because he's pretty out there with crazy ass opinions. look at him actually voting for fuba on d3 wtf i don't think scum could do that with a straight face. i'm more suspicious of jay/vivax. stutters and vayne are second tier. If its that easy then we can basically just systematically lynch as we've done so far and eventually win. Problem is that hasn't been going very well so far, especially if you flip green. Again, the only reason Ace pulled the move he did is if there was some plan in motion; nothing else makes sense to me. If its simple enough as to be Vivax then another guy you've named then Ace's play was essentially just for the original trade. | ||
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I've been on board too many mislynches lately as people plead for their lives to not want to. Can we garner enough interest? | ||
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I think in future we need to try to lynch people who can town-confirm due to night blue role usage one way or the other, like how lynching sent basically confirms kita as town (unless scum were assholes and withheld a shot this late into a game). Honestly I feel like if scum are playing for the long term like that we're eventually fuccked because no one considers it as it's unlikely. Everyone assumes 'well scum wouldn't do that, it's dumb,' but would Ace try to set up a contingency plan like that? | ||
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Layabout, thoughts? Who gave you your greencheck again?  | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote: if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling. How was he trying to change his lynch exactly by 'buddying' you? I remember you bringing that up earlier and thought to myself that it was strange that you'd think of ti that way. You, my friend, have warranted a re-read. In fact I think I want to start actually putting some effort in now since my lategame play is notoriously bad. Kita, thoughts on the mislynch please? | ||
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I'm going to have a problem attempting to read into Vayne's meta. His play is way too erratic and as he has said (I can't remember if it was here or in the postgame from I Swear) he has only had one good game here on TL and it was Les Mafia where we were both scum. He played better than I did in that game and we both played well. His bluesniping was top-notch though if he's scum that skill has effectively been neutered in this game due to setup; could explain a slightly worse scumgame from him? As town his nonchalance fits basically every game he's played. His activity is sporadic. He makes a point of noting that he often catches scum based on 'gutreads' in the early game. He offers very little to no analysis throughout much of any game yet makes a point sometimes of talking about how his reads later in the game are better since he 'hates' D1. These are all basic notes of what I know about Vayne, scum or town, before actually diving in and reading this game and the rest of his meta looking for patterns. I will not be using this post a means to call him town or scum; rather they are simply starting points. | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote: At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town. You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched? I think scum do what they wanna do when they're on the chopping block. You should know this. | ||
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On June 18 2013 08:33 VayneAuthority wrote: But we did not know he was scum at the time...you keep asking/answering these questions with the assumption rayn was scum. At the time we did not know. I thought only a town rayn would attempt to get help from a newer player for no reason but apparently I was wrong. If he was scum on the chopping block I would much more expect him to try to garner trust from a vet and have them get the mislynch off him. Or, ya know, scum WIFOM and shit, and it means nothing and you constantly look into it for what reason? A scum Rayn would try to garner trust from a vet, huh? I think in every game I've ever played every time I've ever made obvious attempts to 'buddy' people (as town, mind you) I get called out for it. Vivax I believe one of those times was you. If anything I think buddying up to a vet as scum is a horrible idea because it is likely to make said vet take a long hard look at you. (PS I don't have much regard for the vet/newbie split anymore for the record, I need to stop using the terms.) | ||
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