EPTOn June 05 2013 07:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also, where the fuck is oats. I've written off sloosh but oats is ridiculous.
Also, where the fuck is oats. I've written off sloosh but oats is ridiculous.
Why have you written off sloosh?
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There's a fat load of people who don't seem to give a shit about the state of the game right now. Complain about me complaining if you will, but that's just how I feel. There are a bunch of people who have notably stepped up; Stutters I must say I'm pleasantly surprised at the amount of effort you've put it thus far. You no longer find prplhz to be scum; do you have any other reads atm? | ||
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On June 05 2013 07:05 Zephirdd wrote: -____- rly @Stutter he is singaporean so his timezones are very different from ours. Can you explain your post please? You're not happy with someone sheeping onto what is apparently your main scumread? | ||
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On June 05 2013 11:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I had problems with his lurker policy lynching (goes against my best interests, I lurk with pride) as well as asking people whether his play was scummy or not. His reply was this: Basically he's saying that by accusing him it stirs up discussion. But why? If attention is on him, as town it's crappy play because it distracts others from finding scum, and as scum he can WIFOM his way to finding a different lynch target. I don't think perfectly good townplay involves painting yourself red to see who comes out of the woodwork. This is where Zeph comes in to push WoS's intentions and WoS retorts that it's scummy to lynch him after he's explained his motivations. I find his motivations scummy however, hence I want to lynch him. Of course, WoS, I would be more than happy to see some of your scumreads and a FOS if it is too early to place a vote on someone. The intent wasn't to make people accuse me or 'paint myself red' but at least in saying what I did it generated discussion. I found what Zeph said scummy in that he continued to accuse me before reading my latest explanation; if you'd read our exchange you would have already read that. I don't have any particularly strong scumreads and I don't usually on D1, so if by leaving your vote on me you think it will pressure me to do so or you will lynch a scum I regret to inform you that you are wrong on both counts. The only person I find particularly scummy atm is jaybrundage however I have been informed that he is 'lynchbait' and as such we should just give him a free pass. Who am I to argue with better players such as Vivax? | ||
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On June 05 2013 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prpl; you asked me about jay and wos. I need to hear more from him. I know from some games ive read that he is a possible lynchbait if town, but i don't like him using that as defence. Would lynch if he is not willing to do shit. About wos. I don't like his stance on lurkerlynches early on in the game. Why bring that up? I also don't like his stance on jay. How on earth does what Vivax says about jay being a lynchbait affect wos' opinion? Why does wos just take vivax at face value if he thinks jay is scummy? that is scummy. ##Unvote ##Vote: WoS btw i think vayne is town. He has a weird playstyle but his defence on me is 100% correct. My activity is not alignment indicative. I dont want to lynch stutters any more. I misread some stuff in his prpl case, and his response to my vote was a townie one. He did not get overly defensive. I also think prpl is town. Im gonna look more into other people tonigh. Ace, who do you want to lynch and why? Time to start doing stuff if you are town. It was sarcasm you idiot. Seems its the ol' "D1 lynch wagon on wave started by scum that fails" again. I can't be sure that Zeph is scum since it doesn't fit into the style that scum usually starts their wagons on me, but ill bet there are scum on this wagon atm. I'm not getting lynched today though so its ok guise. When my kid goies down for a nap I'm going to run a train on some fucking scum so prepare your anuses. | ||
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I don't want him dead. Yet. I was also thinking of looking into Rayn and Sentinel. I'm not sure how likely it is that they're both scum since they're the last two who jumped on me. Again, proper analysis to follow soon when I can. | ||
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Alright ill have a look as well when I can. Can't see wanting to lynch him above rayn atm though. We're going to have to do some serious consolidation later if I'm the lurker 'park your vote and fuck off' target though, just sayin'. | ||
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On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: OK first off the Vayne vote was a joke. That much should be obvious. I was wrong about WoS being a scum given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing. So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum. [##Unvote] [##Vote Oatsmaster] What are you actually DOING in this game? | ||
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Anyway after looking at Rayn on first glance aside from his activity (which is WAY worse than usual) his style seems to be exactly as I would expect from a town Rayn---throwing his vote all over the place, multiple reads, and what appears to be the beginning of a line of questioning on me before he fucked off. It's the fucking off that presents a problem for me because Rayn ALWAYS has more activity than this early game. His voting and lines of suspicion are also way more erratic than this; here he seems comfortable just to join other people's wagons rather than start his own. Rayn does not play 'safe,' at least not that I've seen. He's not afraid to make himself a target, push his own reads all day and all night, question anyone and everyone, and just in general be a crazy mafakker. Just from the games I've played with him: Les Mafia - Went absolutely nuts D1, suspected people who were in no way mafia at all, engaged town in discussion constantly. Carnival Cruise - Content to have me as a townread when basically no one else did, pushed a lynch of OO for most of that day, good activity. Mafia LXI - Tunneled a read everyone else had as town for a long time and engaged him in discussion (Sharrant) constantly, changes reads frequently but never hesitates to follow a line of questioning as long as is necessary. Take the above with a grain of salt if you will, but this doesn't feel like Rayn's play to me. There are a few hours left in the day yet but if he adds to his filter it's possible that I may change my read of him. Now, based on his posting in this game alone: On June 05 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's one of my points against stutters. He himself obviously did not even check the mexican standoff fully. And SK is more likely to play as town because they do not have teammates. Other than, why the fuck would you make a meta case on someone who just said he is trying to change his "meta" because in last games of his he has been up for D1 lynch regardless of alignment? Nothing prplhz has done this game is particularly scummy imo. If there is something i have missed, let me know Stutters. After voting Stutters because his case on prplhz is 'bad,' this is the first actual reasoning he gives. It's debatable as to whether he came up with it on his own or let Zeph come up with it for him. Not really alignment indicative on its own but when you figure that Rayn is more often than not very involved and will come up with proper reasoning or at least push a read when he votes someone out of the blue, this doesn't look great. On June 05 2013 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prpl; you asked me about jay and wos. I need to hear more from him. I know from some games ive read that he is a possible lynchbait if town, but i don't like him using that as defence. Would lynch if he is not willing to do shit. About wos. I don't like his stance on lurkerlynches early on in the game. Why bring that up? I also don't like his stance on jay. How on earth does what Vivax says about jay being a lynchbait affect wos' opinion? Why does wos just take vivax at face value if he thinks jay is scummy? that is scummy. ##Unvote ##Vote: WoS btw i think vayne is town. He has a weird playstyle but his defence on me is 100% correct. My activity is not alignment indicative. I dont want to lynch stutters any more. I misread some stuff in his prpl case, and his response to my vote was a townie one. He did not get overly defensive. I also think prpl is town. Im gonna look more into other people tonigh. Ace, who do you want to lynch and why? Time to start doing stuff if you are town. I've already explained why his vote on me is just awful; I was being sarcastic towards believing Vivax at face value. Obviously sarcasm is not easy to detect over the internet which is fine I guess, but again, lack of reasoning here. He also votes me based on the fact that I wanted to lurker lynch despite me having explained it multiple times. He literally asks 'Why bring that up?' and leaves it. Like...why the fuck not?? Especially given that I explained my stance and elaborated on it, something which Rayn does NOT do here. A point for him is the last post where he attempts to question others about his read on me, which is a town Rayn thing to do, but then he disappears, which is decidedly NOT. I am fine with a Rayn lynch today if activity continues as is. ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:18 prplhz wrote: My answers aren't waffle, I never said that you said [UoN]Sentinel was overly scum, it's not really disconcerting and you should really think I'm town by now. I did way more already than I did in my last many games town or scum games. Yes, I think I want to lynch VayneAuthority. ##Vote VayneAuthority lolwut Where did that come from? I'm going to look into Sentinel now. I believe that at least one of the 4 people who voted me originally are scum. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:28 prplhz wrote: I think this post is really weird. "Of course I am going to be playing way differently" what the hell? Townies usually play the same and don't make huge changes in their play because they play the best town game they can. That doesn't change from game to game. VayneAuthority seems very concerned about people reading him. His early game drunk-not-drunk trolling also seems very focused on himself and seems nervous. He also prods but doesn't seem like he wants the game to move forward. There, just shutting Oatsmaster down but not trying to move the thread forward. The only thing I agree with here is the 'not trying to move the thread forward.' From what I've seen from Vayne he starts to get going later on. I agree with his point on Ace, and I can understand why he says he'll be playing differently (he has come under a lot of scrutiny since migrating to TL from MS or epicmafia I forget which because his playstyle is very different from what we're used to here, ie proposing no-lynches on D1). The one thing I don't quite get is the fact that he says he'll be playing differently but aside from not saying things that get him laughed at on TL, he hasn't done anything different at all from his usual play. I don't want to lynch him today but right now I'd say the most damning thing about his play is the fact that he just doesn't give a shit about town right now. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. so you are voting me for my activity. Fine, whatever, there is nothing i can do about it for 1,5 weeks. I have no laptop and im still working for 12h/day. Maybe i should not join games before that then. Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything. I havn't had time to look at sentinel yet. Sloosh wanting to let the discussion to stay only at me/sent is scummy, not going to explain why, because everyone should see it. Idk wtf layabout is doing, making a case on prpl and then debunking points from it in the same post.. Wtf. Im going to stand behind my read on vayne for the reasons i have stated, as he seems to be the only one to realize that is true. WoS if your comment about Vivax was sarcasm, why is jay scum? And why is your vote on someone else? And why are you not trying to expand the read at all? I know, because you are scum. Because I no longer think Jay is scum? His posting has improved a great deal since the beginning of the game. Got anything else to add? Rayn I find it odd that you immediately start posting after I make a case on you based on your activity, despite the fact that you're extremely busy and can't post often. Why wait until now? | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:57 layabout wrote: Vivax i reckon at least one of the people on the WoS wagon is scum. What do you think? On June 06 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote: lolwut Where did that come from? I'm going to look into Sentinel now. I believe that at least one of the 4 people who voted me originally are scum. I want to talk about this a little. I've found that it a whole bunch of my past games, scum are likely to attempt a mislynch on me that begins to pick up steam but then fails. This has happened in Carnival Cruise, Ego Mini, and The Game. Most of the time, it's a fairly large case pushed by one member of the scumteam (BH in CC, Tunkeg in Ego, kitaman in The Game). Now in this case I'm not sure what to think. Ace technically started the wagon with his random vote, but never made a case or pushed his vote on me. (It could be argued this is similar to the SK Promethelax in Carnival Cruise who started the line of suspicion but never pushed or voted me?) Next up was Zeph whose case was weak imo and didn't bother really pushing it beyond his initial suspicion and vote (the second post he made against me was before he read my explanations). Now according to the way this usually works, it would probably have to be Ace or Zeph as the scum who started this but I can't honestly be sure. I find it more likely in this case (because no large case was made and pushed) that the scum is Rayn or Sentinel who saw an opportunity to jump on a wagon they thought might have been going places (it never does). Either way, I believe that one (or more) of these four absolutely MUST be scum. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't like this. ##vote:WaveofShadow No Vayne, just no. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:38 Zephirdd wrote: Because we are trying to vote rayn and vayne just decided wos shoukd be lynched, creating a draw in votes and making it easy for scum to switch to whoever they want. Everyone vote rayne. I acknowledge that Im a terrible scumhunter, but the way the wagon formed on WoS after my case makes me sure that somewhere, there is something wrong with it. Vivax, consolidate please I like your reasoning about the wagon that formed on me, as it's exactly in line with my thoughts. About Vayne, however... I was waiting for him to respond but honestly fuck it I'm going to put my thoughts out there regardless. The fact that he would pull a retarded voteswitch like this makes me think he's town if anything, and just misguided. Vayne is smarter than that as scum and to jump on a dying mislynch wagon to force it through is just bad scumplay no matter how you look at it. There are a lot of people who have to consolidate still and it's not likely this early on that a tie will be forced. That being said, I've excused his bad play enough this game so Vayne, this is the last time I will defend you. If you want to prove that you're town you'd better do something about it. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: So what you're saying that anyone not voting for rayne is scummy? x2. If I have to move my vote to WoS to keep rayne from getting lynched I will. lol wtf is this shit? How is that both JJD and Vayne have 'gut' townreads on Rayn? You're both playing the exact same way right now, terribly. You'd rather vote one person you don't think is scum over another but you won't add useful scumreads of your own? Just horseshit play. Shape up. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: LOL. vote mkfuba then, he's my real scumread. ##unvote ##vote:mkfuba07 Why? Why should we all voteswitch if you won't put any effort into convincing us one way or another? | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:52 Stutters695 wrote: Oh God, never doing shrooms again. Catching up now Is there a good story involved? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:00 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think it's best to kill the person I think is most likely to be scum and Rayn aint it. This I get. On June 06 2013 02:59 JarJarDrinks wrote: Maybe x2ing wasn't accurate. I just agree w/ vaynes sentiment. I wont say rayn is a townread. I'll just say I haven't seen anything scummy from him @ all this game while I've seen several scummy things from you. Like for example: it seems like you know that vayne and myself are town right now when you're criticising our play. If you're town, I'd expect you to @ least think that we're scum. This I don't. Why do I have to be scum in order to criticize your play? What are the several scummy things you've seen from me? Why aren't you pushing your own scumread, Oats? | ||
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