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i built a time machine so we can go back in time and kill milton, pack a bag ;D i hope im not too rusty...glad to be back in any case! | ||
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once we approach 21:00EDT though i'm good to go past that | ||
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I recognize a lot of people in this game, but I haven't played with all of you. I just recently updated my profile with my past games so go peruse them if you want. I've never rolled scum, and my streak continues for this game. So...sup town! | ||
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getting my share on, don't hate | ||
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On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote: OOHHH Let me. As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks. Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk. | ||
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WoS, can you elaborate on how you read DP so well? | ||
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On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote: Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? it's pretty simple dude....I just updated it last night so it's a brand new convenience for those who want to use it. that's all. | ||
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On May 18 2013 03:24 Spicydinosaur wrote: You did not post it merely for people's convenience, you posted to specifically point out that you were always town. Yup, both things are there. I said I'm always town because, like I said, some folks may find it helpful to know. On a personal note, I happen to think it's hilarious that I can't seem to ever draw scum. That's related to Stutters question that I missed. If you have never played scum before, chances are your first time isn't going to be so graceful. It's just one more piece of the puzzle; it helps me weight any nervousness/silence/inconsistency that I see. | ||
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WoS, can you answer my question before I answer yours? | ||
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soo your question was: s0l can you talk about yourself? yea I can do that. I tend to be a fan of meta. I don't use it all the time...I use it in a manner similar to how BH was describing. I have a shitty win record, though I do get NKed early a fair amount. I have a virgin, unlynched neck. I'm usually pretty active. I like weird set-ups just as much as I like a good normal mini. I like ice cream, electric guitars, and words that sound like what they mean. | ||
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depends on the beach hurr hurr yamato, do you have anything to say besides popcorn? you've been called out on it already | ||
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at this moment, I could lynch Stutters though. call it OMGUS if you want, but pulling punches on your initial pressure looks a little weird...see below On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote: Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? also don't like how he jumped on Vayne, seemed almost reflexive ##Vote Stutters695 | ||
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I'm going out, I'll be back later for sexy time with the filters | ||
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his pressure seems hesitant/blendy. it's also based on flawed logic. if I was scum, I'd be more likely to be afraid of my meta, as this would be my first scum game. so, because I point it out as part of my introductory post...this makes me suspicious? his tone makes me think he hasn't even convinced himself. to be fair though, hopping on Vayne's quick wagon is just as important. combined, it's not a huge lead, but right here right now on a day 1, i'm cool voting him for now | ||
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I know Personality was brought up...LVIII I think (where he was modkilled), and mebbe Rockband? | ||
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Read your defense Stutters, we're cool for now. My two scumspecs are sputnik and goodkarma I agree with iamp and grush on sputnik. There is fuck all in his filter, he is being purposely evasive with his 'in character' speech, and then there was the 'credit to team' list of people who haven't contributed. I feel better about goodkarma though, because of his latest posts On May 18 2013 11:21 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Stutters: I'm satisfied with your explanation, Stutters, and will look closely at your promised analysis (please don't promise and not deliver like you did in our newbie game ).Regarding Grush As for Grush, I was of the opinion lynching someone because they don't say "starsenses" is pretty stupid. But then grush says: So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game... All in all, this looks like a scumclaim. Further, his Vayne vote was an easy jump on a bandwagon I'd expect from scum. And the majority of his content after seems to be some kind of worthless trolly defense. ##Unvote: Stutters ##Vote: grush57 This case was unnecessary, first of all. It's like he wanted us all to see his ticket on the bandwagon was legit because he did some cursory legwork to get on it. He goes from debasing the entire reason for the lynch to fully buying in with break neck speed, based on a misrepresentation of the point grush was trying to get across. Then this....holy shit On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote: Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell. He asks why his vote would be anything more than a lurker vote, then provides a substantive point about how it would indeed not be just a lurker vote. This is so wishy-washy my clothes got clean just from reading it. He provides pros and cons until he argues himself into a wait and see corner. Can we kill this guy? Follow me and grush into the abyss! ##unvote ##Vote goodkarma | ||
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iamp since you are here too....what do you think about what I said about goodkarma? | ||
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he (grush) didn't do it there. just like in that game, the way I eventually thought of him as town is that our reads were more or less lining up | ||
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what else you got? | ||
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What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange On May 18 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote: anyways, i gotta go to bed. apologies to anyone i riled and vice versa, but i think it came in useful. i think we have some really good targets for tomorrow. the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought. | ||
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I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up. I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile. Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is. | ||
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everyone look at goodkarma and what i wrote about him | ||
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote: --snip Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? At the time, I felt there was much more to go on with GK, hence my case. Sputnik had the list, and the purposely evasive RP speak. The VT claim gave me pause though, and it's still kind of mindfucking me. I voted for who I was more sure about goodkarma As to your defense, your interpretation of grushs actions is acceptable. With the added explanation, your point on grush holding himself to his own meta in regards to the period of time before he was pressured is a legitimate one. Still stinky though is the timing of the case, and your JarJar lurky post. I'm catching up while writing this....your posts since then seem pretty town. Enough that I don't want to you kill right now. marv On May 18 2013 18:08 marvellosity wrote: Reading the thread atm. I'd quite like to know where you're going with this, because it's an awfully passive-aggressive way of trying to put suspicion on me. Your argument boils down to "marv was more polite than i expected" and you've managed to drag that out over numerous posts and paragraphs. You're also basically completely making up a narrative for a player who isn't you, and for a player you can't possibly understand. What gives? You were the topic of conversation at the time. It was an unfinished thought, but I shared it anyway, because it is related to what DP was saying about you, and iamp addressed me directly about it. It means nothing without the meta backing, which, due to my absence, I am not currently fresh on. I stand by saying it though, because its possible that someone who has been closely following your recent games would know off-hand whether you were following a pattern. ____________________________________ Still waiting to hear from Stutters on what he makes of me attacking one of his scum reads. Vayne, I really haven't thought much of your suspicions of me, because your reasoning is pretty poor, frankly. I'd prefer it though if your time wasn't wasted on suspecting me, so let's open up a dialogue and become besties. I'm not happy with my scumspecs at the moment and that takes priority, but I'll try to alleviate your concerns after some quality filter time. Now to the filters...as I said though I'll be checking the thread in the interim and I'm here for awhile. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:07 goodkarma wrote: As scum, he'd pop in and be like "look at these things that are suspicious about this dude," then a little later plop down a vote. His townie games he just kinda goes this and that are kinda suspicious and more slowly (and naturally) comes to a conclusion on who he thinks is scum. In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum. Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. On May 19 2013 11:07 goodkarma wrote: As scum, he'd pop in and be like "look at these things that are suspicious about this dude," then a little later plop down a vote. His townie games he just kinda goes this and that are kinda suspicious and more slowly (and naturally) comes to a conclusion on who he thinks is scum. In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum. Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. What the hell? Did you read the games you linked? This is his first post after the /in post in the scum game you linked On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, just caught up. I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies". Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me. ##vote: jrkirby He voted in his first post and then tunneled the entire time. In fact, I reach pretty much the opposite conclusion you do from the games you linked. | ||
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Um, no it's not. Voting in your first post in the thread, and voting methodically (or saying this stuff is suspicious and then voting a little later, as GK put it) are not the same. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote: He clearly says that his town games are more methodical, and that his scum games are more tunnelish. I'm wondering if you're reading his post that closely. Do I really need to quote this twice? The first paragraph is all about describing scumplay, which he says is tunnely and methodical. | ||
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scum JarJar tunnels his top scum read agree, in the scum game you linked, he voted in his first post, and tunneled from then on. he did not mention anybody else he is suspicious of until 4 days (real time) after game start, only supplying town reads as supporting information scum JarJar was sure of himself agree, tunneling makes you look pretty sure of yourself scum JarJar was methodical with his vote yes, he voted early In this game, he has been suspicious of iamp here On May 18 2013 03:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: Sup fellas. So far the only person acting suspect to me is iampi. I'm not even sure what he's trying to say about DP. That the little funny script he wrote makes him look bad? @iampi, please explain in more detail what about DPs post looks scummy to you. Keep in mind that some of us weren't in previous games so we may not get some the references he was making. suspicious of grush here: On May 18 2013 21:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it. HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne. The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad. and this comes AFTER he started in on BH. I would definitely say he is not tunneling here, in comparison to his scum game. His vote came only in response to iamps claim that he was bussing BH, it did not come with the case. His tone this game is definitely NOT sure of himself. He has been expressing remorse for his activity, and soft pressuring people as illustrated in the posts I showed. Like, this is such a terrible meta case. I need to think on what that means some. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:14 yamato77 wrote: iamp, can you show specific instances of GK over-justifying his vote choices? This was something I saw many times in his scum game. If this is the case, I could believe it to be a solid meta tell that he is scum. WoS, the jury's out on you. I still haveto compare your posting firsthand to LXI, because that's the towniest I've ever seen you. Until I get around to that, I will refrain from commenting, because a lot of people look like sheep to me this game and I don't like it. Yamato, help me out with this. In light of his three cases, you still don't get the impression that he's doing what's in the above quote? | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/v6kXbfseABYmf http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/XPqBrCEEsFK What's this about not looking at your PM? | ||
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we are many hours away from lynch, and the GK wagon just started...so scum GK cracks and lies about not checking his role PM? What is the motivation? I think he legit is tired of Day 1 pressure and posted out of complete frustration. I'm reading his most recent games right now, and I can see it. If it's true, then it's just a policy lynch. He is here and trying, so as policy lynches go it would be a peculiar one. I don't really love it. | ||
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##unvote All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless. Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why. Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him. Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now. | ||
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That's the second time he has switched horses midpost. It looks to me like he is prone to changing his mind mid-post when he sees his evidence doesn't match his preconceived notions. I've done the same thing as town...write up a longer post and realize the evidence doesn't really match my assertion, so I either scrap it or have to think through what my evidence is actually saying. Don't think that's alignment indicative personally | ||
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On May 20 2013 03:13 yamato77 wrote: Solstice, do you like the Dandel lynch? If not, why? I was just looking at that. I think the jury is still out on whether or not he is trying. His filter is full of junk and trolling, but according to others (I've never played with him) this is something he does for either alignment. His treatment of WoS seems reasonable. He keeps a level head in matters concerning grush. Iamp says Dandel's marv trolling is a town read, and Dandel corrects him by telling him its not. There's little tidbits like this sprinkled amongst the BS. As an aside, how likely is it that we have town night kp in a closed set-up like this? | ||
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I'm sitting here trying to decide if Spicy knows the definition of a scum read | ||
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His filter has a post on me which is loaded with 'this guy is scum' lines, which is then concluded by me being town. He had big townread post on Rayn, seemingly for no reason He had the WoS/JarJar CnP error. I'm not sure we can make sense of his intention there, but the important thing is I don't think he has explained it adequately to the thread. I'd be ok with it if he cared enough to make it make sense. Then there's the scumread on sputnik that concludes with him being town, which he parlays into a scum read on GK. If his scum read on GK is based on misrepresentation of his scum reads, then that read goes to pot too per our discussion....GK had it right, and Spicy flubbed in explaining that as well. We're left with a read on JarJar for scumhunting? Yea I dunno, doesn't sit right. I think he knows better too. There's no explanation for him knowing less than he did in his first game. I'm doing this. ##vote Spicydinosaur | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:15 marvellosity wrote: bet you a billion we're thinking exactly the same thing right now. oh do please share | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: I was looking at that too Marv. His filter has a post on me which is loaded with 'this guy is scum' lines, which is then concluded by me being town. He had big townread post on Rayn, seemingly for no reason He had the WoS/JarJar CnP error. I'm not sure we can make sense of his intention there, but the important thing is I don't think he has explained it adequately to the thread. I'd be ok with it if he cared enough to make it make sense. Then there's the scumread on sputnik that concludes with him being town, which he parlays into a scum read on GK. If his scum read on GK is based on misrepresentation of his scum reads, then that read goes to pot too per our discussion....GK had it right, and Spicy flubbed in explaining that as well. We're left with a read on JarJar for scumhunting? Yea I dunno, doesn't sit right. I think he knows better too. There's no explanation for him knowing less than he did in his first game. I'm doing this. ##vote Spicydinosaur Spicy explaining this alleviates some concerns. I still really don't like the 'sputnik is scum but will flip town' bit. I don't love the lynch enough in light of this extra explanation to fight against the power couple (lol ego) of marv and iamp. Justice wagon away. ##unvote ##vote sputnik.theory | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote: also this guy makes me feel less safe with every post he makes. Sorry if thats just your style dude but you are still wayyyy on my radar. Then make a case and we'll talk about it if you really strongly feel I'm scum. Like I said earlier I'd prefer it if you weren't wasting your time suspecting me. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:35 VayneAuthority wrote: I have presented my case on you, albeit weak. If I find anything to add after the night killings I will do so. Who are your top 3 suspects? Also why am I wasting my time? You're wasting your time because I'm town. Suspect list is pretty light right now. Not much I can say for that, my biggest d1 lead turned out to be town. Keep watching though, I'll be doin my homework. | ||
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On May 20 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote: I agree with you on the marv/ dandel shitstorm. I couldnt make anything out of it other than it was an attempt to rile marv up. The rest of your read on him is pretty good but I say right now i have a null read leading towards scum. His last second switch to sputnik is what is sending off a lot of flags, especially after he said he wasnt going to vote for him and wished that he be vig shot. This is important if you think Marv is town. | ||
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On May 20 2013 11:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Why only if you think marv is town? One could always attempt to rile marv up if he was mafia too. How is that alignment indicative? Mainly this is sticking in my head On May 18 2013 23:13 Dandel Ion wrote: Last time I saw that argument for a townread, it was dead wrong. (hapa townreading me in british 2 for troll-tunneling DrH) If one had a town read on Marv at the time, then it should be troubling that Dandel came in an immediately riled him up. Marv not on his game is damaging to the town. I'm realizing as I'm writing this that it sounds associative and stupid. I've been staring at this argument for too long. | ||
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You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? | ||
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Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote: Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. | ||
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On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. | ||
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DP, you are 100% convinced that a town BH who is not reading the thread could have said what he said? | ||
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BH, you would have to have been ignoring the thread to criminal extreme to not be aware of the fact that this is a 16 player game. I know you've been filter diving at least some as you've made a few cases. Ergo, your assumption really should have been 4 mafia. I just don't buy that you haven't payed enough attention to not even know how many players are in the game. Looks like you just ninja'd me DP. But yea let's lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On May 20 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote: Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct. I wasn't arguing for it as a mafia trait... BH claimed to be confirmed town after three nights. I said in that quote that scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights. At that point we were arguing about whether it proves, as either alignment, that BH wasn't reading the thread. I said it proves scum BH hasn't been reading the thread because a scum mason should be keenly aware of what confirms and doesn't confirm him. He wouldn't attempt to dictate to the rest of the thread something that in fact would NOT confirm him, especially considering we have been actively talking about the closed set-up and the possibility of scum masons. Whether you agree with that or not is a different story (but I'll guess no ;D ). | ||
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On May 20 2013 22:19 marvellosity wrote: I'm slightly confused and it's probably not very important, so good stuff, sir. The point was the quote you referenced wasn't even talking about alignment, it was about thread reading. And, even if it was talking about alignment, my conclusion from the post you quoted would have lead to town points, not scum points. But you're right about one thing, it isn't important. | ||
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okay...then what do you think is more likely then? he's a newer town player that worries about how town views him, whether he is being helpful, whether he is pulling his weight? or he is scum who is worried about town cred because he is scum? | ||
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On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: All caught up. So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO. I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. JarJar, how did you read DP prior to the BH scumslip and why? | ||
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So I've been through the filters multiple times, I'm left feeling like the scum are in the following group: BH, grush, dandel, jar jar, GK. BH for the slip, grush for what I just said, dandel for his continued desire to do nothing to help the town, JarJar for his suddenly appearing scumread on a pretty town DP, and GK because his meta cases have been bad to the point of being fabrications. These reasons are coupled with process of elimination via town reads. The last two are pretty interchangeable right now...I still wanna see how JarJar and GK behave in day 2, and to be fair I had a townread on JarJar before this little exhange we just had. Now I'm not so sure. | ||
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On May 21 2013 00:58 Spicydinosaur wrote: If BH flips scum would you still think jarjar is scum? This has already been brought up. I haven't looked carefully at jar jar and bh's interchanges with, but nothing off hand that i remember says they couldn't be scum together. Ill look for closely when we actually have a scum flip. | ||
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I mean I'm not in his filter right now, but I don't remember DP repeatedly saying sputnik was probably town. | ||
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On May 21 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: GK: initially had a null read on him as he was causing discussion and pressuring people...then he makes that "didnt look at my role PM" post which is super scummy to me so I stop and look back at his filter. all he has been doing all game is pressuring lurkers trying to get one of them lynched. Some might say this is good play to get rid of the "trash" or whatever but to me its just an excuse to mislynch. I hate his filter. s0lstice: posted my reads on him a lot, just filter me WoS: Do not like how he is constantly going against what the popular opinion is and is too sure of things happening before they actually happen. My worst scrumread of the 4 but he intrigues me...also a lot of fluff posts. DL: never played with him before but im taking vets word on it that hes playing scummy and hes been pretty useless so far. even if he doesnt flip red I dont see why he would be useful to keep around. Maybe vig him instead of lynch is a better option. Why I retracted on stutters: At first I thought he was extremely suspicious for immediately wanting to jump on the first bandwagon of the day but then I realized that I doubt mafia would do it so early. As I said later in the day, we have to watch out for the people that bandwagon at the end, not at the beginning. He seems like just another sputnik to me, a low activity poster thats easy bait to mislynch. Waiting to see more from him. The bolded is actually a town tell. | ||
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do you believe that GK didn't check his role PM? | ||
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I'd like to hear about this some more: It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on. from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? | ||
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On May 21 2013 02:17 marvellosity wrote: This struck me as a valid point (perhaps because he was partially agreeing with me...) And this is a pretty devious post construction if he's mafia: You have to have a solid opinion on whether he actually checked his role PM or not at the time you made it, correct? | ||
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On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote: Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot. Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote: I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta: So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: Stutters I look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far. Here's a couple of things he said in The Game. Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important. Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes. I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER. | ||
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If you believe that GK did not check his PM, then you really can't treat anything he did before he said that as alignment indicative, right? Therefore, you should not be citing posts before that point. If you believe GK lied and did check the PM, then you should be calling for his lynch at the top of your lungs because there is no town motivation to lie about that. Ergo, if you are citing his posts that came before he said he didn't check his PM, an opinion is required on whether he was being truthful or not. | ||
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On May 19 2013 19:22 marvellosity wrote: Just caught up on 8 pages and my mind's all blank because I'm still absolutely fuming about the GK role PM thing. I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it. The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying. | ||
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It was good enough to policy lynch there, but not here? | ||
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Are you following my reasoning here? Making a post painting GK in a bad light that cites posts that come prior to his claim of not reading his role PM requires SOME opinion on whether he checked his role PM. Citing those posts carries with it an assumption that GK was being truthful in his claim. I'm just not seeing how one could pursue GK without considering it, as it directly affects whether certain of his posts are alignment indicative. | ||
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 But you can go now. /ignore? really? just lol | ||
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if you are citing posts from before the claim, like you did to make him look scummy, then you are saying they are alignment indicative, and therefore he lied. done, lynch the liar. you can't cite posts from before the claim without dealing with the claim. you can't ignore it. | ||
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On May 21 2013 09:39 marvellosity wrote: I think not reading your role PM goes completely against the spirit of the game and I find it absolutely disgusting. In Red Team I joined Hapa's policy lynch on OO for a while when he said he didn't read his role PM without saying much about it before leaving it alone and not talking about it. I'm not wasting my time thinking about something that's basically the height of unsportsmanship. I see exactly what you are saying Marv, but I was concerning myself with his claim and you weren't. That was the rub. | ||
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JarJar, we are well into the week now. After BH, are you still maintaining that DP is scum? | ||
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On May 21 2013 22:17 marvellosity wrote: Splendid. So now we're heading due forwards, what do you think of the merit of the original argument I was making before we got distracted? I think it's a good argument. I've written some stuff about GK awhile back myself. He is not approaching the game as his townie self should, as you've shown, and his cases have been overreaching to the point of being malicious. His PM claim threw me for a loop, nothing I can do about that now, but the evidence is saying to me that he is scum. | ||
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I'm going through your filter right now, and unless I somehow missed it, I don't see a single reference to GK. What's your read and why? | ||
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On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote: Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand (Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) This post by JarJar is just so ballsy and fearless. I can't help but assign JJ mad townie points every time I read it. Definitely muddies the waters for me. | ||
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On May 22 2013 01:26 marvellosity wrote: Either that or it's hilariously honest. lol. That could explain the aggressiveness and anger. Hes spent the whole game building credit for the bus, but no credit is being assigned to him. Associations before the flip ftw | ||
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This is compelling: On May 22 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote: Little tidbit for you to think about. The original question from iamp to me was saying this: "do you think jarjar would try to throw dirt on bh if bh is town and jarjar were scum?" What iamp was implying was this: how likely is it for a newer scumplayer to attack a known, stronger player? iamp is basically saying that JarJar looks townier for attacking a strong player. This isn't necessarily that obvious, but JarJar thinks that iamp is saying that Jarjar (mafia) would only attack BH if he were mafia. It could well mean implied guilt, when the original intention of iamp's was actually more of a mini-defence. I went back and read that exchange and I see what you are getting at. I think it's significant. Building on what I said here... On May 22 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: That could explain the aggressiveness and anger. Hes spent the whole game building credit for the bus, but no credit is being assigned to him. Associations before the flip ftw ...I went to look at JJ's filter again to see if it looked like he was scrambling for credit for BH's flip, because I seemed to remember him fighting for it a lot. On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: All caught up. So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO. I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Bolded is a passive reminder that he's been saying this all along. Also, talking about a DP bus play is just off the wall nuts imo. I see no reason why this thought would cross any town players mind at this juncture...but it could come from the mind of someone who has been thinking 'bus' all game. This is pointed out in the next quote. On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. Another reminder that he has been on BH 24/7. On May 20 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm not saying that I should be treated as a confirmed townie or anything. But I think I should get some town cred for being the first person to call him out. On May 20 2013 23:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: Lol, No that's what ur doing. I've been saying BH is scum ALL F'N GAME. You've been saying he was scum since he almost got lynched. Those speak for themselves. Combine this with what Marv was saying about his attitude: On May 22 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote: Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs. Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that? Fighting for credit for bus-->not getting it-->aggressive/attitude It reminds me of how Mattchew was caught in 'I Can't Believe it's Not Themed.' He and sciberbia drove for a lynch of a scum talismania, and scum Mattchew wanted to take credit for it when it was very much irrelevant who did what. I mean, we haven't seen a flip yet, but this fits pretty snugly. BH, JJ, one of Dandel/grush for scum....GK for 3p? | ||
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The slip+the reaction should be plenty. If you don't buy the slip, there has been nothing that BH has done in the past while (after dragging ass for over a day) that scum BH couldn't do. I can't believe I have to be phone posting (I hate phone posting ) to say this. | ||
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I read your arguments. Not buying it in the least. Your reaction was a public face palm no matter how you try to posture it. The best thing is, you don't even need the reaction to make the lynch BH argument. Like I just said, the reads you are scrambling to come up with on your deathbed aren't anything scum BH couldn't do, and do very little to alleviate the massive problem you have with a terrible early filter. Time for me to sleep now. Town, if you are letting BH talk you out of this lynch you need to reexamine the entire situation and remember why he is on the block in the first place. | ||
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On May 22 2013 13:54 Stutters695 wrote: Not knowing mechanics=/a definite scum slip in a closed setup. It is probably a scum slip but again I'd prefer taking out someone who isn't contributing at all and seems scummy over someone who is going to be here and provide more to analyze. Quite frankly if Marv shows up in the morning, calls me retarded and tells me to go BH my vote will pop right back over because he knows BH way better, but I'd rather have a potential scum BH in LYLO than a toss up Grush or DI when one of them is almost certainly scum. I'd be happy to call you retarded right now if it'd help!  Just kidding of course | ||
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I didn't really feel the need to respond since if you look closely at my filter, you'll be able to answer most of you're own questions. I've been all over the place on GK because I have had a shitty time trying to get a read on him. I thought that was self evident. I didn't want to lynch him day 1 because I was obsessing over his PM claim. Obsessing over the claim led to the argument with Marv. Current scum read comes from a re-read of the situation without considering the claim...per Marv's prompting and my own legitimate evidence that I had written before the claim business. The GK 3p (no explanation has been provided from me yet) is just a gut call based on the kill of Rayn. This has been discussed by others, and isn't as important to me as thinking that whatever he is, GK is anti-town. GK has plenty of time tbh. After your flip BH I'm probably going to want to lynch JJ if you flip red. That's a lot of time for the rest of us to see what GK is gonna do. If you flip town, which I consider to be pretty unlikely, then I'll need to re-evaluate everything wholesale. | ||
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On May 23 2013 00:01 Blazinghand wrote: What do you think of my case on GK? I skimmed it, I will give you a more fleshed out opinion before the lynch, during my lunch break (hour or so). | ||
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It's purely meta outside of the fact that he was in thread around the deadline. Many of the people who think GK is scum I think do so in part because of his meta. That includes me. I agree with the observations you made, I made the same ones when I looked for myself. So, for what it's worth, I agree with you on this....but as I clarified my position on him earlier to you, it should come as little surprise. | ||
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Just so I have this right: Sputnik's day 1 lynch is an unlikely scum lynch did not reveal iamp was a mason when he was masoned with you picking a fight with you day 1 these are the main points of why marv is town to you? | ||
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there is just not enough room for 4 anti-town players in the remaining players I feel like. having to go back through town reads to see if there were any fuck ups is the worst feeling ever | ||
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I need to figure out how the hell I feel about JJ now....rewind on the association stuff. | ||
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I'm talking off the cuff and without having gone through his filter anew, but I'm feeling a tendency to return to the earlier town read. | ||
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I was around when the slip happened and posting my way through it. I ended up at the wrong conclusion obviously, but I did give it a lot of thought. I didn't say much about BH prior to it because there really wasn't much to add. He really didn't do much of anything before today. I voted to lynch him earlier based on his bad/very lacking filter. I said as much when I voted. As far as trying to keep the lynch on track, yes I absolutely tried to do that. I share some responsibility for the mislynch, and won't hide from it. While you're here, where are you at on JJ? | ||
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his ambivalence at some key moments in this game has struck me. I tucked it away as many of my town reads were saying he was town. I don't agree with BH at all that it is so obvious. | ||
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I have yet to go through the filters anew though after the BH flip. It may change, but at the moment I'm working and posting. | ||
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Stutters-- did you read Hapa's case on Marv that iamp linked? Marv is an excellent player, and it's not going to fit like a glove every time, but it has a lot of good insights. | ||
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On May 23 2013 11:25 Stutters695 wrote: I have s0l. Sorry for going back to this, but especially with Marv I need time to do that so expect something Friday. I'm just saying I've played directly with an ambivalent Marv and he was town. He just didn't really care that game. Much of that read too relied on mechanics not present I'm this game. Ok that's something. I need to look at my past games with him, and all his past games (gulp). I just have this expectation of Marv to be an over-achiever all the time when he's town, and if it's unreasonable, it's unreasonable. Marv has just been a sort of blind spot for me this game, and I need to correct it. | ||
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That said, he has been nearly invisible after being forced to say it. That is significant. I've been following Carnival loosely as well, and he is posting a lot more over there. I really don't know. Usually when I play with him, the only way I can feel good about his alignment is when we are voting the same guy. We were both on GK earlier, so I felt ok about him, but now with his absence I'm at something of a loss. Marv supposedly has never mislynched him, so maybe he can provide some insight. | ||
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He had the claim post written up in case he wanted to use it. | ||
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It's just like the BH day, where our target was there the entire day and killed all other discussion. | ||
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Gotta think on it. | ||
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your lack of caring makes me sad ##vote dandel ion | ||
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On May 24 2013 06:42 Dandel Ion wrote: the dandel shoots mafia: "oh that's nice we can comfortably lynch you now, no problem" the dandel shoots yamato who deserves to die for his crimes: [what happens now] No matter what, my chances are still better with 2) So I was doing 2) You created the situation where we would want to "comfortably lynch you" all by yourself. | ||
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I'm on my phone right now. I'm going to be totally free tomorrow evening and I'm gonna put in some work on the filters. I want to win this game. I feel good that you are town, at the very least. Am I town to you? | ||
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lynching SK puts us at at either 5-3 or 4-4(game over) that first line seems better. we are fine at 4-2-1, and 3-3-1 sucks but at least the game isn't over. | ||
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seems like there isn't a consensus, but up to the host no? | ||
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for 6-3-1: -lynch scum-->6-2-1-->scum and SK must kill town-->JK blocks SK-->5-2-1 -lynch SK--> 6-3 --> 5-3 after the NK -mislynch town --> 5-3-1 --> scum kills town, SK must kill town to avoid 4-2-1 --> 4-3-1 if JK alive, 3-3-1 if not for 5-4-1: -lynch scum --> 5-3-1 --> scum kills town, SK must kill town to avoid 4-2-1 --> 4-3-1 with JK block on SK -lynch SK --> 5-4 --> 4-4 after NK and game is over -mislynch town --> we are fucked so lynching scum today gives us either 5-2-1 or 4-3-1 for tomorrow. 4-3-1 is a loss for town I think...it would lead to 4-2-1 after the lynch, and then either a 3-2-1 or a 2-2-1 depending on if the JK is still alive. Neither of these can result in a town win. 5-2-1 is a winnable situation for town...we get a free SK lynch, and a 4-2 after the following NK. lynching SK gives us a flat out 5-3, or a loss. If there are 4 mafia, they are going to be all about lynching the SK right now. | ||
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I did put in work on the filters like I promised, but all I came out of it with was town reads that I felt good about. I wasn't sure that was even worth sharing, given our situation. It's been pretty difficult to get motivated knowing that our chances for winning are on a wing and a prayer with the lucky JK save. I've looked some more though, and I do have something. I feel good about WoS and Stutters being town. These two have shown consistent interest in still trying to solve the game, even with our chances being bleak. With that flip, I really think DP and Marv are scum. I've about had it with the 'I'm town because X said so' argument. Marv and DP have been guilty of this repeatedly. Think of it like this..what is the point of even saying that? We are at a point where everyone needs to be re-evaluating town reads, because nobody is having an easy time finding a place for the scum team to fit on their spreadsheets. Everyone who is town at this should no longer be satisfied with 'Marv is town because iamp and BH said so,' or Marv saying 'I'm town, it's so obvious.' It's not good enough....we are well past the time of free passes. If you want to convince somebody that somebody else, or you, is town, reasoning needs to be provided. These two don't seem to care to provide any. I think GK is scum, or potentially the SK. He started the game with cases on grush and stutters (lurkers at that point), a terrible meta case on JJ, and most of the stuff he has taken a stance on (especially the most recent stuff) he has folded on like origami. He's pushed nothing, and really comes off like even he doesn't believe what he is saying. | ||
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I think I had it earlier when I said that scum sacrificed one of their own to put us at 3-3-1 going in to tomorrow. It's 4-3-1 with a JK save, but either way we are pretty much fucked. 4-3-1 is basically unwinnable too. SO much weird shit in this game. Not exactly a good welcome back game for me lol. | ||
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Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads. I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game. I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in. Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum. After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp. There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me. | ||
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5-4 means the town is once again in control of its own destiny. We have the majority of the votes. 4-3-1 that is not true. More, 4-3-1 is super unlikely. Its more likely to be 3-3-1 after tonight, and that puts scum firmly in control imo. | ||
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We have little hope. I called you scum DP because I'm frustrated. The only thing that has stopped me from writing a case on marv is bh's dying words and you saying he is town over and over. If that's not just posturing and you really think that then its whatever I guess. I retract it. Your filter really is fine. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:22 DarthPunk wrote: Like wtf is this. You have all these assertions about what scum think and what their plans are but you provide absolutely no analysis to back them. Like this is just useless shit you are talking I hope you realise. Anyway the NA vs KR match is on soon so I will be gone when that starts. Connect the dots yourself plox. If they can lynch him tomorrow then they don't have to shoot through his bulletproof vest. Scum also know which shot was theirs for sure at night, so they get a little leg up in the analysis, above the boost they already have from already knowing every other anti town person in the thread. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote: Marv pointed out all the math. Like a bunch of us were discussing whether or not it would have been a better play to try and lynch scum instead of DL. Marv was the one who explained exactly why that was a worse play. ...and he would have done the same thing as scum, because he knew Dandel was lying and it was a bad lynch for town. | ||
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On May 26 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote: This is absolute nonsense. It's quite the opposite. Go read the QT with iamp, halfway through the day he asked me if he should out himself as mason to the thread to see what reactions he got, and I told him not to. It would rather be in my interest as mafia to have iamp out himself in the middle of the night, and he god-damn offered to do it. Your thinking here is *way* off. Pretty sure scum you would have told him to wait as well. Otherwise you're in the shit when he gets NK'd because you advocated for a blue to reveal himself early for no reason. | ||
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On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote: Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK? Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!) Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no? | ||
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On May 27 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote: There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands This is exactly what I mean. It only takes a little critical thinking to see that the only way Dandel's play makes sense is for there to be an SK...but instead you ruminate about there being no SK and 2 mafia kp? It's like you didn't really consider it critically at all. You so scummy marv <3 | ||
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After BH's flip, we were at 7-4-1. If the SK kills Dandel, the numbers are 6-3-1 for today. Instead we are at 5-4-1 presumably. Now I'm asking because I really don't know...is 6-3-1 or 5-4-1 better for an SK? If 5-4-1 is better, or near enough to make no difference, then the SK doesn't have any special motivation to kill Dandel even with a scum claim. | ||
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On May 27 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote: OK I want to lynch s0lstice like 100 percent. he is NOT shutting up with this number b/s on top of all the other shit. If i die lynch s0lstice for guaranteed scum lynch. The numbers are important to figuring out why Dandel did what he did. He sacced himself, and there had to be a reason. I feel like talismania right now a little. Hilarious. | ||
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On May 26 2013 06:03 s0Lstice wrote: Sooo he knew he was on top of the chopping block to be lynched...and claimed SK to buy himself another/many days if we could be sold on keeping the SK alive. should have stopped here I guess! It's much simpler then the la la land I went off in to. No, I'm not SK Marv. This is literally the first time I've had to think about what an SK does in a game. There may have been one in LVI?...but scum killed me N1. | ||
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On May 27 2013 02:10 DarthPunk wrote: Serial killer or scum. We should lynch s0lstice. You'll be lynching another townie. How much of this is because I called you scum? | ||
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On May 27 2013 02:26 DarthPunk wrote: a bit. but I was calling you out before that. as I recall, the only thing you said before I called you scum was that you had no strong opinions on me either way, and were therefore nervous I was scum. Since then, I called you scum, and talked about numbers and the SK. After another ragey Marv walkthrough, I ended up being wrong more than I was right, but that doesn't make me scum. It makes me someone who is trying to figure out what Dandel was doing. Like I said, I've never really had to think about how an SK plays until now. Thought I had it...but oops. I'll know better for next time. | ||
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On May 28 2013 07:25 marvellosity wrote: There are a couple of things that make me think mafia, especially how he orders his lynch targets. Can you elaborate a bit Marv? What about the ordering of his lynch targets says mafia over SK. WoS-- It can't be a coincidence that just about everyone in this game has wanted to kill GK at some point. This is just a guess, but my gut tells me that he is the SK, and the scum team pegged him early. The best way for them to deal with the SK is to lynch him, for obvious reasons....hence all the heat he has been getting from all sides. From this point onward, the moment scum can get the SK in the noose, they win. It really worries me that GK is such a popular candidate for today. I feel pretty confident that GK is not town, but only marginally confident that he is SK over scum. Speaking of Marv, he is who I'd like to kill today, but it's not going to happen. DP's vote in particular would be needed, and he is not willing. I'm nervous enough about GK being the SK that I don't want to kill him today. I'm thinking a Marv/JJ/one of vayne/grush as the remaining scum. As such I'm happy to lynch JJ today with you WoS. ##vote JarJarDrinks | ||
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That stuff all paints him as pretty scummy. I'm not sure that there's anything specific that says SK over mafia though. You raise a good point in regards to how he hasn't said much of anything about the SK since he said he had a theory and never shared it (presumably because of the whole Dandel thing). When you get back, let me know where you ended up on JJD. @GK Who is the SK? @Vayne You are no longer allowed to get away with this On May 26 2013 06:12 VayneAuthority wrote: --snip There's not much to elaborate on with s0lstice, Its simply that; a gut read with some minor quirks in his play early. I havent seen anything particularly scummy past that so there's the chance that I was -GASP- wrong. GK called you on it already, and you have not satisfactorily explained. We are waaaaay too late into this game for you to not have some ammo behind your scum reads. Explain better, or I'm going to assume it's just a scummy placeholder and you are scum. | ||
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JJ: a little more explanation. Since our player pool remaining is pretty small, I'm starting by removing the town reads (DP and WoS). This leaves marv, grush, you, vayne, and GK. Only one of those is town. I was reading WoS' filter last night as I was trying to decide, after Marv, who I wanted to kill. I didn't explicitly say in thread that I liked what WoS wrote, but that was the reason for my vote. You are correct though that I haven't talked about you much. That said, I did my own legwork this morning to verify that WoS and my thoughts were in line. Looking at your filter, they're not. This post got tucked in the back of my mind, but its relevant based on BH's flip. On May 18 2013 22:21 JarJarDrinks wrote: Is he trying to imply that BH and I are scumbuddies? Is that so when BH flips red I don't look quite as good? If you think me and BH are both scum then help me bus him. ##vote: blazinghand (Sorry if I'm interpretting your post wrong iamp. But that's what I felt like u were saying) This post too, makes literally no sense to me as a scum post: On May 22 2013 11:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think the reason everyone is on my case and accussing me of bussing BH is because they don't want to believe that a relative noob was able to ID scum so early in the game. I'd like to point y'all to the last game I played where I got lynched day 1 and called out 2/3 of the scum team in my goodbye post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407058¤tpage=14#279 Like what am I really being accused of? The whole asking for credit for BH's flip? - The posts that s0Lstice quoted were all in reference to the same thing: DP calling me a top scumread. Most of those quotes were in the same exchange w/ marv. As for misinterpreting iamps post: Marv, you admitted that he wasn't very clear in his meaning. You really don't believe I could have jumped to that conclusion based on his wording? I even put a disclaimer @ the end of my post that I wasn't sure if that was what he meant. I don't think there's any way you say this when you know BH is going to flip green. It's too genuine. Give me more flak for changing my mind if you want, but I think you're town and I don't want to lynch you. I also ask you to have another look at my filter. Lynching me WILL lose us this game. DP: I'm still not sure I understand why you think I'm scum. Can you elaborate if you are still around? ##unvote | ||
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Marv/vayne/grush and GK as the SK. This has to be it, unless I'm severely screwing up my read on DP. I know I can write a case on Marv (I know Marv, you asked me to), and if I can find time for it today I will. Aside from JJ's filter, I was also looking at Vaynes. One important thing I noticed is that its like he's making 'scum reads' in a vacuum...or like mailing them in. They don't seem to coincide to any push to get someone lynched, and he doesn't seem to care that nobody is listening. He is content to make scum reads and then watch the thread do what it's going to do. If I have time, I'll flesh this out a little. I need to look at his newb town games and see if he attempted to push anything on anybody. On other thing that also sticks out from memory is when he was attempting to do NK analysis on Spicy's death, I pointed out that he was a parity cop, and thus couldn't be breadcrumbing us towards any target. He was like 'oh ok' and then stopped analysis. No attempt to give it another go, or revise his thoughts with this crucial bit of information, he was just done....like he really didn't care what results came from the analysis/the analysis was a pretense. | ||
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It's a feel thing in relation to the BH scum slip. To me, a townie making a 'scumslip' should be like a live hand grenade to the actual scum team. I don't see scum pursuing it with such passion directly in the heat of the moment. Going all in right off the bat seems unlikely for scum, since they are well aware of the attention they would get when the eventual flip happens. DP went after it with gusto. Talk to me about this though...did you get the same feeling? | ||
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And, like I said, I'm not sure DP would even let me reason with him right now. I tried before, and seemed to make no impact. On May 29 2013 00:12 marvellosity wrote: Question: what should scum do if the response of people later in the game is the one you're giving now? This is very WIFOM-y. My assertion is that he pursued BH without care for how he looked doing it. Scum would have hesitated, and kept a little distance until deciding where to come down on it. Even if they ended up thinking that being a firebrand about it would be helpful to them as you are implying, it still wouldn't look like what DP did. I was in thread watching, there was just about no downtime or hesitancy in DP's pursuit. | ||
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On May 29 2013 00:13 DarthPunk wrote: I'm about to read through s0lstice's filter. WoS marv CERTAINLY shuts people down as town. read any of our last town games together. He was shutting me down all over the place. s0lstice the most basic reasons that I want to lynch you are this. You have flown under the radar, causing me to not have particularly strong feelings about you. This is one of the biggest scum tells for better scum players IMO. stupid arguments with townies about stupid things. And repeating number analysis too often to the detrement of pushing a scum read. Like if you were town you would be more concerned with lynching your top scum read than postulating ad nauseum about night kills and lylo etc. Your end game reads are considerably off from mine. Like you want to lynch both grush and marv at lylo or whatever. That is not how i would expect a townie reading the same game as me to feel. You made a remark calling both marv and I out for being scum and then backflipped when I pointed out that what you were saying was BS, Your read was therefore part of an agenda rather than a genuine insight after reading the thread. Won't stop talking about marv being scum. Elimination. You are the scummiest out of who is left. In response-- 1) This would be my first scum game, have you considered that? There shouldn't be any correlation to me not inducing strong feelings in you and me being scum. I should be scum to you for doing scummy things. This point makes no sense. 2) There's been many points this game where I've had to re-address scum reads, and a fair number of times where I was speaking from the standpoint of needing a refresh on filters and didn't have any sure idea on who was scum. At least not enough to call anybody out in thread. I talked about the numbers because, to me, it was important to figuring out what the hell Dandel was doing. They are also important to figuring out who the SK should/shouldn't be killing. This is relevant information. Arguing with Marv was a product of me trying to understand, mostly getting it, but screwing up a few key things. Why it devolved into an argument, I'm not really sure. Marv and I are just combustible I guess. The point though is that I got to where I wanted to be in my understanding, and stopped. 3) You said yourself earlier when I called you scum that our reads being different is not an adequate reason to be calling someone scum. Which is it? 4) Calling you scum and retracting it is something I already explained. Short version: I was pissed at you for constantly asserting Marv is town with no reason behind it. At the time of writing that post, it seemed super destructive because I was frustrated at all that has gone wrong, and it struck me as awful that you'd still be giving free passes when town clearly has no fucking idea what is going on. I was also thinking Marv was scum at that point, so it was particularly abrasive. 5) This is a legit point. I'm on the hook to prove why Marv is scum, and I haven't yet. This one can be corrected though when I have the time to write a proper case. | ||
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I am and was reacting to this wagon. Saying I'm not is a lie. I asked you to explain yourself...I didn't spam the thread freaking the fuck out because that's not how I play. Saying as well that I haven't been pushing stuff makes me think you haven't really looked at my filter. I made a read on GK on day one and asked people to look, I did push it. I helped push the wagon on BH when it was faltering a little, because I was pretty sure he was scum. I looked into JJD with Marv, attempting not to waste the day when BH was on the block all day. I'm not really sure what you are expecting to see in a game where our day 2 and day 3 lynch targets were effectively locked in right at the beginning of the day. I needed to talk about set-up to determine who I wanted to lynch. It's that simple. I wanted to fully understand why lynching scum or SK was better/worse for town, because if lynching the SK for example ends the game for town, then I don't want to be sitting there calling for the SK to die. You have no idea why a townie wants to lynch Marv. I explained some, but again, until I get the time to write a case, it's probably not going to be clear to you. Think I'm wrong all you want, but being wrong doesn't make me scum. I haven't pushed grush at all. He is unpushable, because whether or not he is scum depends on whether or not he lied with his starsenses. Through process of elimination, I'm assuming he lied, but I'm not going to be asking anybody to consider his lynch until its necessary. Such is the way with grush. If you can't understand why me, thinking marv is scum, and seeing you constantly calling him town without justification would say fuck the town read and just get angry enough to call you scum for shitting up my current game view thats been broken down and reconstructed a number of times, and after all the weird and frustrating shit that town has gone through this game, then I can't help you here. It was irrational because it was a feeling. The way I've pushed Marv is a legitimate point. It takes a monumental effort in any game for someone of my junior stature to get Marv lynched. Thoughts or a paragraph here and there are not going to do it. Like I said earlier, Marv was a bit of a blindspot for me (in that I didn't go through his filter with a fine-tooth comb) for a bit because of iamp and BH and you saying he was town. That doesn't mean I didn't take a few opportunities to feel him out in the thread, as I see you've quoted. It wasn't until around when I said (night yamato died) that I really thought that Marv was scum. Anyway though, I feel you have legitimate beef here, and if I get lynched for how I pushed Marv it'll be my fault. I gotta step away for a bit now. I'll be back in an hour or so, but phone posting (argh) | ||
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Day 1 you passed off responsibility for driving the sputnik lynch to iamp, saying something like 'iamp rally the children, they are not listening to me.' It struck me as odd. I don't feel like town marv, seeing he is not being heeded, does this. You said in the mason qt that 'we need to look out for players like s0lstice.' You didnt feel anything strongly about me either way. To me this says you should be dissecting my every post from that point on. A null read can only be null for so long, having no idea on someone is dangerous. You then demonstrated to me that you werent putting much care in reading my posts by badly misinterpreting something i said to BH. Im talking about the conversation i had with BH about whether he was reading the thread, which you interpreted as me talking about his alignment. Reading a post the wrong way is not scummy by itself, but when its coupled with an assertion that 'we have to watch out for this guy,' it becomes questionable. The post wasnt especially unclear either. Your behavior around the BH scumslip i already talked. Short version is you acted in a self concious way. Your re-entry in to the thread post slip said nothing about the slip, like it wasn't the most important thing going on at the time. DP had to ask you before you said yay or nay. Also, in the mason QT you said it could be 100% explained by him not reading the thread. Why weren't you in the thread screaming this at the top of your lungs? Here were people making definitive judgements on BHs alignment from the slip alone, and you were content to not correct them. Also from before, I think its way more likely iamp died because he masoned a scum marv, not that the scum team saw his claim and changed their kill in the minutes they had between that and the deadline. You assert that it was obvious that he was blue. Can you explain how? I don't think I was the only one who didn't think that was the case. Now it could be the case that scum could have just wanted to off a strong town read, but then why not you? If you were so obviously town, I have to believe they would have tried, medics be damned. Youve been killed many times night 1...I just don't see a scum team wifoming themselves out of trying for you. And iust in general, the scum team has been pretty good so far. We are in disarray, and the blue sniping has been awesome. I can't in good conscious believe that a team consisting of some permutation of jj/grush/vayne/dandel/gk could play this scum game. No offense to them, but I'm not used to feeling so lost and on the brink as town, and I have to believe its because there's a strong leader on the scum team. Theres a few other instances of casual ambivalence when it comes reading comprehension of people you should have been really concerned with. Dont recall the specific instances as I am sitting here phone typing, but I know I raised my eyebrows. That's a summary. As far as others saying you are town, I consider it to be dangerous thinking to believe them without thinking through it myself. BH and company saying you are town only really matters if they are right 100% of the time. I mean, I respect their opinions and play, but I'm not going to let them play for me. If I go through the evidence and see scum, I'm not going to throw away my opinion without a really good explanation to the contrary. I've played with marv and he is town does not qualify. Your argument with dandel could have happened if you were both scum I think. He replaced in, saw you were on his team, doesn't like you, and decided to troll. Having looked at the argument a number of times, I think it could have happened for any combination of alignments. | ||
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##vote goodkarma Marv, I've taken down and rebuilt reads so many times this game it not hard for older posts like that to get lost in the shuffle. It's been a bewildering game. | ||
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On May 29 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Explain to me in detail how JJD is town. And if JJD is town and GK is SK who are the three scum? Remember that post I made about JarJar clamoring for credit for the BH flip? The conclusion is totally flipped around if BH flips town, which he did. What kind of scum spends all of day 1 attacking a townie and drawing attention to it and patting himself on the back when he KNOWS that the flip will be green? Also those two posts in particular I quoted are pretty town to me /brokenrecord | ||
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The funny thing is, you give me shit for how I pushed Marv, but it's not that far off from your treatment of me. Anyway though, we've been pretty awesome so far at lynching townies, so why stop now right? | ||
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WoS- I was reading your conversation with Marv about JJ. It devolved into an argument, so I peeled away and spent the time in JJ's filter for myself. There was one post in particular that you both talked about, Marv called it 'the worst post' in his filter. This was my biggest takeaway from your conversation. I agree that it looks awful, but I got really stuck on the couple townie looking posts I was talking about. Marv, I have to believe you are town with the way the votes went down. | ||
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The bit you just pointed out about JJ is really good. s0l is def scum-->getting nervous about marv-->SK must kill scum-->so he kills.....marv somehow. Concerning Vayne, I also feel like he is not adapting new information into his reads. I think I said this earlier, but it's like he's making reads in a vacuum. Not adjusting, not pushing, nothing....just making them for the sake of making them. I know for sure I talked earlier about his Spicy NK analysis where it was pointed out to him that Spicy was a parity cop and hence couldn't be breadcrumbing results of his night checks...and instead of taking this information in and attempting to fix his analysis he just stopped. On grush, I noticed in this game that the first time he said starsenses after being forced to, it wasn't bolded and green. I feel like when he says starsenses and means it, the formatting is always there. I need to look again at the games DP linked to see if he's ever said it without the formatting. Like..could he have been trying to leave himself an out for the postgame hellstorm he is sure to hear if he is in fact not town? He did eventually format it, but only after additional pressing. | ||
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On May 30 2013 02:06 DarthPunk wrote: Grush is going to get lynched all the time without starsenses. If he wasted it for 1 win as scum then I am fine with just policy lynching him day one in every single game from now on. Yea me too. This is the issue, because he is trapped between a rock and a hard place. There really isn't a good way to go here...either he abides by starsenses all the time and then can't play the game as scum ever...or he sheds the starsenses thing (by lying in a game about it) and he gets policy lynched a ton because there's no other way to discern his alignment reliably. If he's fucked either way, I don't think either way should be ruled out. At least by taking the lying route and getting rid of starsenses, in the future he stands a chance of playing either alignment by upping his game a little and reasoning with people. | ||
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On May 28 2013 13:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't see any contradiction I am telling it how it is. you guys are the 3 scum left. WIFOM won't phase me You are addressing WoS here. So WoS is scum. On May 30 2013 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote: whoa guys just because I started a lynch on some one I genuinely thought was mafia and they piled on late votes at the end does not make me mafia. Some of what you guys are saying doesnt even make sense, if there was 3 mafia left and an SK then one of your town reads cannot be town. At the very least we know that JJD is basically confirmed scum by the late votes piled on in the wrong direction, wouldn't be surprised if one of grush or s0lstice is his accomplice and the SK could be on either wagon since hes uninformed. The post you just made, WoS is not listed as an accomplice. I am however, despite the fact I did the opposite of this: On May 29 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote: why would anyone town still not have voted with 30 minutes left besides grush Hes just gonna vote for JJD last second and were gonna lose, gee gee You are referencing me here. Explain please. | ||
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To the scum team- Well done. This was a dominant victory, even with one of your number effectively saccing himself (though that wasn't without its uses). Two of you effectively got put into the town column for the majority of the game (vayne/WoS) and you played into these parts very well. The SK ploy was pretty meh, I think town was sort of set-up into assuming there's an SK. WoS-- you totally blind-sided me. All I'm gonna say is well played sir. You played the try-hard townie that nobody listens to perfectly, enough to make me glaze over the few times you dropped the ball. Vayne-- much the same. I considered most of what you said inane and useless. This is not an impingement on you, rather it's an impingement on me that I didn't start thinking more critically about it until the numbers pointed to you pretty much having to be scum. I will say though that once I unblindspotted you, you looked pretty scummy, and if I hadn't towncleared you early early on I'd have been on your case. JarJar-- Looking back, your activity was really a big tell for you. This was part of WoS' bus on you that I derped. Props for sticking around alive for as long as you did, but I would be very wary of not spending enough time in the thread posting, especially if you claim to be more active on X days and less active on others. Dandel-- Yea I just don't get you, but no hard feelings. If you just get bored playing scum, then so be it _____________________________________ Marv-- Apologies for the dumb arguments and suspecting you. I feel like you bore the largest percent of my derp this game. There were definitely times where I was like..fuck, if Marv is town, where is the leadership? This is lazy and retarded thinking. Your last huge post was pretty boss; it's a shame we just ran out of time (wtf mafia vig?) BH-- I don't understand why you put yourself in a situation to be so neglectful of this game early on. It's just really presumptuous of you to expect a free pass until you get less busy. That was awful. More awful though was the lynch on you. I think it was a 'frog in a pot of water' type deals...where the frog doesn't jump out and just dies if you slowly heat the water to a boil, but if you drop the frog in a pot of boiling water it jumps out immediately. That's really morbid, but you get the idea lol. If I was dropped into the game in the midst of your final postings I would have fought hard to keep you alive. Something kind of funny...when you said 'balls air etc.' I went to google to see if Les Mis had a juggler character (I've never seen the movie or read the book). Kudos on your last will reads (really good), but eff you for dicking around for an entire cycle <3 iamp-- Mason claim was kinda silly, but overall you did an excellent job of looking town. I remember reading your newb games I think...you're sort of a big ticket item around here now so that was news to me. Overall though, good reads and a good townie. I appreciate you calling out some of my dumber shit in the obs qt. Gotta shake the rust off somehow. Yamato-- thanks for the easy town read. To be fair though, in a darker moment of doubt I wrote a big ass case on you and then scrapped it when I checked your meta. That's on me and not you though lol. grush-- Grape jelly and pop music. Also, pod of dolphins. GK-- I feel like complete shit for how this game went for you. The role-PM thing is rage inducing, but I understand where you are coming from. It has to suck to draw a lot of fire on day 1 no matter how you play. My gut on numerous occasions said you were town, but I rationalized my way out of it and ended up being all over the place on you. Anyway, I hope to play with you again so I can see firsthand your excellent post day 1 town play. Stutters-- possibly the easiest town read to make after day 1. Your thread interjections, while infrequent, were pertinent and often in-line with my thoughts, and/or helped the current discussion. Your far and above effort in comparison to your other games was really appreciated. Spicy-- Edit your posts man ;D It's a shame you got offed before you could actually do something with your role. I zipped through the post game discussion thus far so you might have said something already, but who did you check night 2? Otherwise though, good game from a newer player. I hope to see you soon in other games. DP-- Congrats as well to you on your win. You were town enough to not get lynched, but not TOO town so as to draw an NK (though this was a close call from the scum QT). I'd say you played a pretty townie 3rd party, and coasted enough through a very mystified game for town to an easy win. You suspected me late, so if you have any comments out of game where we aren't worried about discerning alignment about what I did to look suspicious, I'd welcome them. sputnik.theory-- Rayn-- Another easy town read. I honestly don't have much to say about your play. You call a lot of people scum by nature I think, and when I felt good about the town-read on you I didn't really focus on who you thought was scum. I would have when we got further in and you narrowed it down, but your N1 death precluded that possibility. But yea thanks for looking townie. The iamp vote was pretty lulz though ;D On my play-- Really bad. Apologies to town for making shit reads and looking suspicious. Getting on GK when it was between JJ and GK may have been my lowest moment, combined with the flubbing of my read on JJ. WoS bought me a ticket on the damn bus and I was like NERP IMA WALK. Anyway though, for those who care, I'm actually not terrible at finding scum and appearing townie, so hopefully you don't judge me too harshly by this game. As I said a few times, this is my first game after a (very busy) break from mafia. One thing I am proud of in my play this game though is that I wasn't afraid to change my mind. On the setup-- It's hard for town not to assume an SK. I also hate the idea of a mafia vig..way too powerful. And yea, town KP would have been nice. What a difference it would have made especially this game...how would we have played if some opportunistic vig had offed BH after the slip, or Dandel? We were pretty hurt by having those lynches locked in early I feel (though town shared some of the blame for this). | ||
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Also blaming it on Marv is pretty bullshit. You really should be owning up to the fact the driving force behind your mislynch was you not giving a shit on day 1, because more likely than not, the slip doesn't even happen if you actually had time for the game at that point. More, you had plenty of time to prove your innocence, but waited to do so. That's also on you. The sooner you start playing baller town, the sooner town as a whole can reconsider your lynch. You masoned Marv and really didn't do anything with it. That was a pretty important opportunity to prove your innocence, and you wasted it. | ||
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I don't think anybody is saying that you didn't play really well when you had the time. So, when you did care, it showed. To answer your question, the only thing you could have done differently is to start sooner. Even then, it may not have been enough. Stopping a lynch that is backed by an empty day 1 and a scum slip in 24 hours is really tough, especially when the people who were talking were keeping the lynch mostly on track. I don't think there was much you could have done better when you actually put the effort in. Scrabbling for town MVP and blaming others though is just really distasteful. We've recognized your play when you tried, and it's on you to just own the original mistake. It should end here. I don't really feel it's your place to be questioning others about why they didn't clean up your mess. You've since talked a little more on this though...I digress. | ||
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