[M][N] Les Mafia

On May 19 2013 04:01 goodkarma wrote:
I am also aware your activity can potentially vary. But even in some of your shittier games you seem to be more involved than you've been here.

On May 19 2013 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote:


I trust your judgement so I am okay with the lynch. You seemed to have good scumreads and reasoning in carnival and I know we both flipped town so I think you're an asset.

I am not picking up scum from GK though, null read as of now.

On May 19 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I am fucking voting who I think is mafia so you are being completely contradictory right now. I ain't bandwagoning shit.

On May 19 2013 06:35 marvellosity wrote:


wasn't asking you, bitch <3

On May 19 2013 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:


I am being unsure of myself, but thats because imThe thing is; whatever you believe is the best plahy for town, is to find scum, as soon as possible. Nothing else counts. Period. How you achieve this is up to you.

9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though

On May 19 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
the point is this, rayn.

Dying does nothing to validate your reads. It just makes us think you were retarded as town, not as mafia.

On May 19 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote:


how am I the king of martyring? I've never martyred.

On May 19 2013 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:

Rayn to me it doesn't make sense that you're going so batshit insane over this. Essentially what it amounts to is you freaking out over the colour iamp decided to use in his post.

On May 19 2013 07:47 iamperfection wrote:

if you can not gather that i am ok with lynching gk i seriously doubt your reading the thread.

On May 20 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote:
we have an hour and a half 1700 edt

On May 20 2013 04:38 s0Lstice wrote:
Rayn what are you making of this Spicy business?

On May 20 2013 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey GK, if you looked at Jarjar's meta from his newb games how come you missed the fact that i played in NM XXXIX with him?

On May 20 2013 04:54 goodkarma wrote:


I looked through filters for everyone for many games. I skimmed through several of these, and I missed that he played with you that game. I was focused on patterns in play that a player exhibited as a given alignment, not the specifics of any game.

On May 20 2013 04:24 s0Lstice wrote:
you see the issue with concluding your scum read with 'though he is most likely town' surely Spicy? If that was a scum read, why was that bit in there?

On May 20 2013 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:


i wouldn't expect more from GK this early. he takes time to spool up.

On May 20 2013 05:52 iamperfection wrote:

there is to much trash though and it isnt a lurker lynch he does not gie a shit about the lynch or his vote that is scummy.

On May 20 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
Day 1s, when we have the least information, is the best day to try to pick out mafia from the low-posters. I almost always follow this philosophy.

If goodkarma is actually mafia, he'll still be mafia tomorrow and he'll actually still be posting enough for us to continue to develop our read on him.

On May 20 2013 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
No blue thats not too bad.

can we fucking lynch GK and dandel now?

On May 20 2013 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
ST flipping town doesn't make me think GK is scummier than i thought 5 minutes ago

On May 20 2013 06:12 Blazinghand wrote:
you're like "herp derp ST is town let's lynch GK now" but i don't see why that makes GK scum. he was a bad lynch 5 minutes ago, he's a bad lynch now.

On May 20 2013 06:28 iamperfection wrote:

lol why is it only possible for them to be both town or both scum

On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote:


Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town?

On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia.

Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't.

On May 20 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:


explain?

On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:


Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other.

What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.

What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him.

On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote:
but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum

On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:


No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else"

because he panicked. same for both alignments.

On May 20 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote:


That's a terrible reason, sputnik was lynched with or without Dandel's vote.

On May 20 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:


Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative.

People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying.

On May 20 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I've been dragged into this where it looks like I'm accusing BH of being mafia, which is not what I'm trying to say.

I'm just saying that BH could plausibly have done what he did as either alignment.

On May 20 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote:


You're attributing a level of foresight and thought to someone who panic-claimed. see the issue? If you're panicking and roleclaiming when it absolutely isn't even necessary, it's highly unlikely you're thinking "if i do this, i'll have to mason marv night 1 and talk to him there and it'll be really difficult". Because if he was capable of making that logical train of thought in that moment he wouldn't have been claiming at all (as either alignment!)

On May 20 2013 07:26 marvellosity wrote:
the good news from this tete a tete is that it makes you look townie, as you're arguing it very genuinely.

But after all, i do not think BH would claim when he did if he was mafia and you were town.

On May 20 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote:


not if he was panicking. see how circular this is?

On May 20 2013 07:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Dandel if you thought that sputnik should be vig shot and not lynched then why vote at the last second for the lynch?

On May 20 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why the fuck was anyone voting for spicy before his WoS/Jarjar stuff?

On May 18 2013 06:57 Blazinghand wrote:
So, new rule: Vayne is a VI. Ignore him, check him if you are a DT or vig him if you are a vigi, policy lynch him before lylo if he's still alive. There's a possibility he also rolled scum but judging by his last game and this one there's no real way to tell. Not a worthwhile D1 lynch.

On May 20 2013 20:44 marvellosity wrote:


iamp plays mafia very simply. Are they trying? Are they scumhunting?

In his opinion s0lstice had been trying harder than you, which is a tick in the town box that you didn't have.

There's a reason only you seem to give a shit about this point.

On May 21 2013 03:57 iamperfection wrote:
if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it.

Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected.

On May 21 2013 04:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, I am beginning to think JJD is town. I say this despite having pushed for his lynch yesterday because of his two most recent posts. He came into the thread to try to take credit for me seeming scummy, which isn't really a town move, but he said two things that I don't think he'd say as scum. First, he cops to his initial scumread on DP

and then, and this is important, he decides that he's going to write a case against DP (link) when the easiest thing in the world is to say "yeah, DP is town look how he caught BH". This is not the move of a scum player, imo. A scum player has every incentive to give DP a townread, ESPECIALLY a scum player who has butted heads with DP already and now sees DP going after someone that said player targeted during D1. Why not say something like "ah, looks like you had some good in you after all DP! Yes, you are definitively town"? Why, as a low-activity inexperienced player, pick a fight with DP when it's pretty clear that BH is on the chopping block the next day?

I don't see scum taking a huge unnecessary risk like that. I can see a town player doing it, though, if he really does think DP is scum. I can see him doing it even though it's a dumb idea, because he wants to do what's right and push his scumreads.

JJD could be scum emulating a town player who does that-- but I don't think he is. I think he's town.

On May 21 2013 05:22 marvellosity wrote:


Very little has gone on there. I'll probably just copy/paste it.