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yamato has to be town. | ||
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People who are probably scum: Sputnic, GK, BH, and someone i don't remember. Townies: Vayne, Jarjar, and a couple of other dudes. Maybe even marv, although i need to ask him about something when i get to a computer. grush, jarjar and vayne are easy lynches to hop on, and i think, besides grush, that they are town. Find scum elsewhere. Will elaborate more after 2h. kthxbye. | ||
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I'll elaborate, as said, in 2hours when i get to a computer, posting from my phone is hard. | ||
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- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation. - Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS! - His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false. - His meta comparsion on me is false. - His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum. BH is scum because he went on with Vayne for ages when he is in the game with him (where Vayne flipped town). He even said "God, you really think this is how to play town". Bullshit, you know better. And the VI shit that's.... yeah.. scum you. sputnik.theory is scum because of his 3 first posts in thread that do not say shit. Oh and nothing after that says shit.. Dandel is scum because he said BH was right about Vayne (treat the guy like a VI and bla bla...), that was the worst post in thread ever. marv: Why did you go on a shitfest with Vayne for so long? Why do you want to lynch JJD? Lurker? | ||
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- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does? - About me. What games about me you have read? - About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM". I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then. | ||
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On May 19 2013 04:01 goodkarma wrote: I am also aware your activity can potentially vary. But even in some of your shittier games you seem to be more involved than you've been here. Elaborate plz. | ||
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marv, talk to me plz. | ||
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He is like the most mafia dude everest... | ||
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marv is town. Why not lynch DI? | ||
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What do you think of GK marv? | ||
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win win situation. | ||
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On May 19 2013 06:00 VayneAuthority wrote: I trust your judgement so I am okay with the lynch. You seemed to have good scumreads and reasoning in carnival and I know we both flipped town so I think you're an asset. I am not picking up scum from GK though, null read as of now. You seem to be kinda bandwagony for a guy who would like a no-lynch for d1??? | ||
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On May 19 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I am fucking voting who I think is mafia so you are being completely contradictory right now. I ain't bandwagoning shit. No i'm not. It's okay you are voting for the guy you think is scum, but given your "policy" that makes no sense. | ||
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One point why you call him suspicious: Suspicious. sums up the thread (completely useless) and then says he will just be waiting to see what happens, probably so he can drop a vote on the bandwagon late at night. A pretty mediocre read, so ill just keep an eye on him for now. Can you see what you are doing? | ||
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sry baby :/ | ||
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On May 19 2013 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I am being unsure of myself, but thats because imThe thing is; whatever you believe is the best plahy for town, is to find scum, as soon as possible. Nothing else counts. Period. How you achieve this is up to you. You seem like a bright guy, but i think you lack some basic experience (don't get me wrong here). Okay, let's go for hunt scum now? Do you think Goodkarma is suspicious at all? | ||
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good meta you got dood. lynch gk. | ||
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9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me. 16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though Okay, this guy claimed scum. ##Unvote; ##Vote: iamperfection ggyo | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: the point is this, rayn. Dying does nothing to validate your reads. It just makes us think you were retarded as town, not as mafia. Yeah but i know what im doing, whether or not you believe it. | ||
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and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote: how am I the king of martyring? I've never martyred. really? you have ragequitted a game and and that is the cheapest thing i have ever seen. You did deserve a 100 game ban, as i got a 5 games for a misunderstanding and i just handled it. And you ruined another game to be fair. I have no real respect fpr you, aside from your play. Sorry to be so straight, but you asked. As for the game, yamato; Explain, how is iamp's read on me and solstice fair from his list? gimme details. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn to me it doesn't make sense that you're going so batshit insane over this. Essentially what it amounts to is you freaking out over the colour iamp decided to use in his post. Why are you trying to discuss stuff i just said i won't discuss as they have no relevance to this game? | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:47 iamperfection wrote: if you can not gather that i am ok with lynching gk i seriously doubt your reading the thread. am is still lurking? or scum? | ||
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vote for scum, vote for iamp. if not, BH or the russian dude. | ||
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Since my vote seems to be useless where it is atm (and i need to read what iamp has done since) i'm gonna vote for BH when i'm able to and will provide my reasoning for it. I remember misreading iamp wrong in Ego mafia, so i need to re-evaluate my read on him. | ||
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##Unvote: iamperfection ##Vote: Dandel Ion GK, i played scum in NMXXXIX, this game here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402424 Like half of the posts in thread were from me so your meta comparison is wrong. Also i am legitmately busy and that has nothing to do with my alignment. | ||
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On May 20 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote: we have an hour and a half 1700 edt Are you sure? May 19 2013 23:56. "Deadline is in ~5 hours." It's now KST 04:38. Lynch in 20min or 1h 20min? | ||
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On May 20 2013 04:38 s0Lstice wrote: Rayn what are you making of this Spicy business? I have not looked into him as i just got home. I'll take a look if there is still an hour left. From pages 1-35 i don't remember anything scummy from him. | ||
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On May 20 2013 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey GK, if you looked at Jarjar's meta from his newb games how come you missed the fact that i played in NM XXXIX with him? | ||
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On May 20 2013 04:54 goodkarma wrote: I looked through filters for everyone for many games. I skimmed through several of these, and I missed that he played with you that game. I was focused on patterns in play that a player exhibited as a given alignment, not the specifics of any game. You are making a meta case on Jarjar, and said you read his games. Now you just "skimmed through". In addition to that, you have me as a scumread, can't find any scum games of mine (other than Hydra 2, where i was also busy, and playing as hydra is a completely different thing than playing solo) and when reading (or skimming or whatever) Jarjar's filter from NM XXXIX you miss the fact that your other scumread played in that game aswell when Jarjar's 1st page of his filter is ~70% quoting my posts. Seriously, does anyone else see how bad GK's reasoning for his reads are and why. About spicy, this is the only scummy thing i find out atm that solstice pointed out: On May 20 2013 04:24 s0Lstice wrote: you see the issue with concluding your scum read with 'though he is most likely town' surely Spicy? If that was a scum read, why was that bit in there? I don't know if that makes him scum, or does he usually do this kinda stuff. Other than that i think his filter looks pretty townie to me. | ||
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Yeah there is no explanation, and it can't be explained either way as his follow up clearly quotes WoS and not Jarjar. ##Unvote: Dandel Ion ##Vote: Spicydinosaur | ||
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I wanna lynch GK. ##Unvote: Spicydinosaur ##Vote: Goodkarma | ||
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I agree that sputnik is scummy, but he is just useless and i would expect more from GK at this point. | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: i wouldn't expect more from GK this early. he takes time to spool up. What do you make of him posting basically nothing but shit that holds no water? | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:52 iamperfection wrote: there is to much trash though and it isnt a lurker lynch he does not gie a shit about the lynch or his vote that is scummy. So you think he is more likely to throw a random vote as scum than as town? | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote: Day 1s, when we have the least information, is the best day to try to pick out mafia from the low-posters. I almost always follow this philosophy. If goodkarma is actually mafia, he'll still be mafia tomorrow and he'll actually still be posting enough for us to continue to develop our read on him. You are usually not right as town on D1 (in games we have played together). Then people will sheep your D1 reads when you die on N1, but your play in fact starts to get super good only on D2-D3 and after that. I don't think the case on sputnik is strong, and the only thing people are voting for his is because "strong players" think he is scum. This has even nothing to do with if you/iamp are town or scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:07 VayneAuthority wrote: No blue thats not too bad. can we fucking lynch GK and dandel now? If you are a vigi, shoot DI or GK. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:08 Blazinghand wrote: ST flipping town doesn't make me think GK is scummier than i thought 5 minutes ago wtf do you mean by this? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:12 Blazinghand wrote: you're like "herp derp ST is town let's lynch GK now" but i don't see why that makes GK scum. he was a bad lynch 5 minutes ago, he's a bad lynch now. I never said i thought sputnik was scum. Before GK made more shitty posts i was all about to vote for DI/sputnik. You all ignored GK's shitty meta "cases" that were based on crap. Can you comment on what i asked him (the things that he just ignored)? | ||
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marv, please post the mason logs before N1 ends. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:28 iamperfection wrote: lol why is it only possible for them to be both town or both scum I never said this makes marv town, why do you think so? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:32 marvellosity wrote: Sorry, what? Why can't BH be town and me mafia, or BH mafia and me town? Do you really think the bolded part is possible? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote: if BH is town, I am clearly the most obvious target to mason, by a stretch. so by extension, the same is true if he's mafia. Quick example: Mad Men Mafia. I replaced in and VE mafia felt compelled to use his mason power to mason me, because he knew I'd find it suspicious as fuck if he didn't. If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. | ||
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Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote: Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote: but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote: No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments. Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now? | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: That's a terrible reason, sputnik was lynched with or without Dandel's vote. That was not clear 12min before the deadline. I was arguing for GK lynch. Who is to say people won't last minute bandwagon as BH pointed out? | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote: Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative. People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying. Blarf... What are you doing. First you say "BH panicked". Now you say "bussing a scumbuddy is no good alternative". If BH panicked, he thought he was gonna get lynched right? BH is supposed to be a good scum player right? Why is bussing not a good alternative? | ||
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Try to look at this from his perspective. If he is scum, he clearly panicked and claimed his role because he thought he was gonna get lynched (as otherwise there is no reason to claim). He knows he needs to mason you on N1. That is a big big nono if you are town (which BH would know if he is scum and you town) as you might be able to catch not one, but more scum on that phase. Why the fuck would BH claim mason if he is mafia and you are town? You say people do not call him a good scum player, even more reasons to not get in a one phase debate with you dontcha think? | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I've been dragged into this where it looks like I'm accusing BH of being mafia, which is not what I'm trying to say. I'm just saying that BH could plausibly have done what he did as either alignment. Me too. It's just that you asked me to explain. And i don't know why the fuck iamp thinks i think you both need to be town or mafia, as i never said so.. | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote: You're attributing a level of foresight and thought to someone who panic-claimed. see the issue? If you're panicking and roleclaiming when it absolutely isn't even necessary, it's highly unlikely you're thinking "if i do this, i'll have to mason marv night 1 and talk to him there and it'll be really difficult". Because if he was capable of making that logical train of thought in that moment he wouldn't have been claiming at all (as either alignment!) And we come back to my original argument: 1) BH is town and you are town - makes sense, townies do dumb stuff/posts/claims more likely than mafia 2) BH is town and you are mafia - makes sense as above 3) BH is mafia and you are mafia - brilliant scum play, and btw, you need to post the mason logs before N1 ends 4) BH is mafia and you are town - mafia has time to think about their actions. claiming is an action that is well-thought out, at least if you are not a complete newb. Who is to say BH (if mafia) did not think about what he is doing before doing so? I see this #4 scenario is impossible, because he is hurting his team with his action. | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:26 marvellosity wrote: the good news from this tete a tete is that it makes you look townie, as you're arguing it very genuinely. Don't worry, i'm probably gonna get killed if you are not. But after all, i do not think BH would claim when he did if he was mafia and you were town. Do you still think iamp is town? Do you still think GK is town? Dandel? Those guys are really scummy for me. | ||
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But after all, i do not think BH would claim when he did if he was mafia and you were town. ..because he would at least have discussed with his team how to handle the situation if it seemed like a situation where there is no outs other than a claim. | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote: not if he was panicking. see how circular this is? I understand what you mean. :D I don't understand though how anyone would panic before discussing the matter in scumchat as scum if there is still ~24h left in the day and other viable candidates. | ||
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DP i'd downgrade to secondary. he had a strong early game but now he is being less and less helpful. | ||
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On May 20 2013 07:50 Spicydinosaur wrote: Dandel if you thought that sputnik should be vig shot and not lynched then why vote at the last second for the lynch? Do you think GK is scum? | ||
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On May 20 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why the fuck was anyone voting for spicy before his WoS/Jarjar stuff? Actually nobody was, but the lynch is 100% scum driven. rofl. and for what reasons. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:57 Blazinghand wrote: So, new rule: Vayne is a VI. Ignore him, check him if you are a DT or vig him if you are a vigi, policy lynch him before lylo if he's still alive. There's a possibility he also rolled scum but judging by his last game and this one there's no real way to tell. Not a worthwhile D1 lynch. So he did not want to lynch Vayne, but said he should be lynched before LYLO. D1 is the easiest phase for mafia to mislynch. This post screams "keep this guy alive, so we can lynch him later". That's also not a townie thing to say. If you believe someone is scum, you vote for them, if you believe they are town, you don't. But you don't just ignore people and say "let's lynch him later". | ||
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On May 20 2013 20:44 marvellosity wrote: iamp plays mafia very simply. Are they trying? Are they scumhunting? In his opinion s0lstice had been trying harder than you, which is a tick in the town box that you didn't have. There's a reason only you seem to give a shit about this point. Well he seems to be playing against his own rules as he seems to be not trying/scumhunting much. Most of his posts are either agreeing/disagreeing with someone, or some questions for random people. I'm not seeing what he is trying to achieve with those questions. I know you don't need to post every singe thought of yours in thread and sometimes it's beneficial not to reveal you think someone is scum and try to ask them about something that might give you a better read on them (as they could feel "safe" that way). But if iamps "guidelines for optimal scumhunting" are what they are, he is playing against them. | ||
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On a sidenote, i think GK is more likely to be scum than Dandel and i do not think they are both scum. Maybe i am wrong about WoS or Jarjar, i need to see what they will do on D2. | ||
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On May 21 2013 03:57 iamperfection wrote: if there's anyone who wouldn't take more pleasure in lynching a scum marv it would be me. Dandel would love doing bh would love doing it. Signs point to a town marv at this moment he should be protected. There is noone in thread that can't possibly be scum other than yamato for me. And i remember Dandel's retarded comments from Red where he stated that marv can't be lynched on D1 so it's not worth looking into him. So no, i don't think Dandel would lynch marv. Dunno about you and BH. You however have a point in marv/BH mason thing (i guess you are referring to that?). Assuming BH is scum marv would be valuable as town, but still.. yamato is the towniest guy in thread. | ||
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On May 21 2013 04:27 Blazinghand wrote: Well, I am beginning to think JJD is town. I say this despite having pushed for his lynch yesterday because of his two most recent posts. He came into the thread to try to take credit for me seeming scummy, which isn't really a town move, but he said two things that I don't think he'd say as scum. First, he cops to his initial scumread on DP and then, and this is important, he decides that he's going to write a case against DP (link) when the easiest thing in the world is to say "yeah, DP is town look how he caught BH". This is not the move of a scum player, imo. A scum player has every incentive to give DP a townread, ESPECIALLY a scum player who has butted heads with DP already and now sees DP going after someone that said player targeted during D1. Why not say something like "ah, looks like you had some good in you after all DP! Yes, you are definitively town"? Why, as a low-activity inexperienced player, pick a fight with DP when it's pretty clear that BH is on the chopping block the next day? I don't see scum taking a huge unnecessary risk like that. I can see a town player doing it, though, if he really does think DP is scum. I can see him doing it even though it's a dumb idea, because he wants to do what's right and push his scumreads. JJD could be scum emulating a town player who does that-- but I don't think he is. I think he's town. I don't think the bolded part is necessarily true. And i don't know how you think it's true. If JJD is scum and assumes you are lynched tomorrow, why would he not find DP suspicious now? Why did you not think of the possibility that JJD is looking for a day 3 target already as you should see this if you are town? | ||
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On May 21 2013 05:22 marvellosity wrote: Very little has gone on there. I'll probably just copy/paste it. I somehow thought that was going to be the case at the start of the night phase. And i still don't get why people assume it's better to mason a townread of yours instead of scum/null if you are town. Townies are more likely to share their opinion in thread, you can basically interact with them in thread. Scum are likely to slip up when they have to deal with the thread/scum QT/mason QT. | ||
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