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goodkarma
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goodkarma
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On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote: Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote: Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though. When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote: Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)? In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: Stutters I look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far. | ||
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goodkarma
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On May 18 2013 06:51 VayneAuthority wrote: your earliest game is 2012, am I supposed to laugh? lmao. I was here when the mafia forum started in 2009. You're a newbie. Vayne, cut this out. All you're doing right now is shitting up the thread with content that literally does zero to solve this game. Save this banter for after the game, since right now it doesn't matter. | ||
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I'm satisfied with your explanation, Stutters, and will look closely at your promised analysis (please don't promise and not deliver like you did in our newbie game  ).Regarding Grush As for Grush, I was of the opinion lynching someone because they don't say "starsenses" is pretty stupid. But then grush says: On May 18 2013 10:22 grush57 wrote: whoa whoa guys, just because I didn't claim starsenses doesn't mean I'm scum. While it will always be true that when I claim starsenses I will be town, I don't want it to be a 100% meta thing so I'm screwed when i get mafia. I am just gonna claim it when necessary or when I need to to survive from now on, so I don't get botched as scum. So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game... All in all, this looks like a scumclaim. Further, his Vayne vote was an easy jump on a bandwagon I'd expect from scum. And the majority of his content after seems to be some kind of worthless trolly defense. ##Unvote: Stutters ##Vote: grush57 | ||
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On May 18 2013 11:30 iamperfection wrote: gk want to vote jarjar? Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell. | ||
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On May 18 2013 12:44 s0Lstice wrote: Well, anyway, while you're catching up... Read your defense Stutters, we're cool for now. My two scumspecs are sputnik and goodkarma I agree with iamp and grush on sputnik. There is fuck all in his filter, he is being purposely evasive with his 'in character' speech, and then there was the 'credit to team' list of people who haven't contributed. I feel better about goodkarma though, because of his latest posts This case was unnecessary, first of all. It's like he wanted us all to see his ticket on the bandwagon was legit because he did some cursory legwork to get on it. He goes from debasing the entire reason for the lynch to fully buying in with break neck speed, based on a misrepresentation of the point grush was trying to get across. Then this....holy shit He asks why his vote would be anything more than a lurker vote, then provides a substantive point about how it would indeed not be just a lurker vote. This is so wishy-washy my clothes got clean just from reading it. He provides pros and cons until he argues himself into a wait and see corner. Can we kill this guy? Follow me and grush into the abyss! ##unvote ##Vote goodkarma So the first point I believe had something to do with Grush. You bold everything in that paragraph except for this, which is also very important to read: "Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." What's significant here is that Grush is holding himself to the starsenses thing. And that he says "from now on" indicating he wasn't considering changing his patterns until after he was held accountable for it here. That others brought it up was stupid, but that he also seems to hold value in it makes it relevant. As for misrepresentation you will need to elaborate, because I haven't misrepresented anything that Grush said. As for JarJar, I clearly pointed out it would be a lurker vote. NOWHERE in there did I say it wasn't a lurker vote... You're making up things I've done that clearly aren't there. As for my current vote, I'm still not sold that Grush is town. Darthpunk brought up the point that Grush might have thrown out a starsenses remark as scum since he was under heavy pressure. I believe he gave up on this point too easily. It came to my attention that Grush has only been scum twice as best I can tell (as of Feb this year anyway). With such a small sample size, I see it being very possible he'd be throw it down there as scum. But setting aside the whole "starsenses" thing, looking at Grush's filter I see a bandwagon vote on Vayne, a trollish defense, and an OMGUS vote on me. Grush has in fact done nothing but scummy stuff all game. This was also a basis for my vote. I'll look through filters again tomorrow, but I still am not convinced that Grush is this "guaranteed townie" some of you seem to think he is now that he spouted out his magic word. | ||
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goodkarma
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So to summarize my thoughts on Sputnik and JarJar: Both are lurkers. And both have played as lurkers in the past as town. Therefore, they are not necessarily acting differently from their town meta as far as activity goes. Looking at content, neither has much substance. I would rather not lynch into them today. That being said, I would rather lynch Sputnik than JarJar. WaveofShadow, on the other hand, is a different matter. From what I remember of his play in The Game, he played pretty horribly. As town he was wishy washy about his stances on most players, and when he was nearly lynched the only thing that really saved him was that he blueclaimed. Here, he seems to be a lot more sure of himself in places, but in a way that doesn't really make sense to me from a town perspective. Sputnik, who basically made one scummy post and lurked, is "sure scum" to him. And Grush is "sure town" for saying starsenses. This has already been discussed, but the contrast from his townplay is what stands out to me. Further, he seems to really like asking people for scumreads. His questions don't seem to really have any purpose other than to make him look more active. Look at his filter and see how many times he asks a variation of "Who you think is scum?" It's a pretty pointless thing to ask, given everyone here is going to be giving their scumreads anyways. ##Unvote ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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As for consolidation, yes it's a bit early. But given the last few games I've obs'ed / been in have had profound problems with this, I figured I'd rather push for it sooner than later. I feel Wave is a good lynch for today, so I have no issue switching my vote to him. | ||
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Got sniped by wave | ||
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On May 19 2013 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote: The bolded is scummy as hell. Why consolidate before we've even hit the halfway point in the day? This just screams "oh shit everyone agrees Grush is town now, I need a way out but I still have look committed to my scumreads." You say you would rather lynch sputnik than Jarjar but don't say why, then you call me out for calling sputnik scummy for legitimate reasons? You and everyone else who have ever made meta cases on me calling me scum have been absolutely wrong. You're more than welcome to your vote but fuck you are the first person who I'm jumping to now if sputnik no longer looks like a good lynch to me. Just addressed the consolidation thing. As for Sputnik over JarJar: Sputnik looks like he'll never improve his post quality (and therefore it's more likely it would be a policy lynch even if we don't lynch him today) whereas JarJar will likely post enough content in upcoming days I'm confident I'll have a better read on him. The issue with your stance on Sputnik (in case the others voting you haven't made it clear enough to you) is that he's "obvscum" to you. Scum tend to take rigid stances like this, not townies. Especially when considering how little's actually in the guy's filter, it's hard to understand how you'd be so sure as town. | ||
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goodkarma
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Care to elaborate a little? Like how are my meta comparisons false, and how are my stances bad? I see you think I'm scum, but I don't see any analysis. | ||
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I called JarJar a lurker. I have stated that he has done this as town, and that I haven't determined if he's scum yet. Only that lurking is scummy, especially coming from a newbie player. I am also aware your activity can potentially vary. But even in some of your shittier games you seem to be more involved than you've been here. I've explained the Grush thing to death. I encourage you to read my filter a little better. It's clear from what you're posting that you only glanced at it, which shows me you aren't very invested in this game. As far as quotes and whatnot, I'll be more than happy to oblige if you humor me with a real case. | ||
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How on Earth do you go from aggressively voting me to this?: On May 19 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: whatevs, i'm off to bed. you should prolly talk about vayne's policies or some other shit like that, and waste 20 pages.. vote for scum, vote for iamp. if not, BH or the russian dude. I'm not even a suspect on your list now? By the way I'm back guys, so feel free to ask questions if you have any. I noticed there's a few votes on me now. I need to look through what's happened in the last few pages to see what's up. Perhaps if someone can summarize the case points people still have to think I'm scum that would be great. I'll get out my latest reads here soonish. As for if you're serious about mislynching me, then I promise you I'll have a list post ready to get out my thoughts on everyone before the deadline. As an aside: I'm quite used to this kind of situation. Maybe it's my posting style, but every game it seems people aggro on me like this on day one. If you were to look at my past games as town you'd see this. I shine much more day 2 and onward. My day ones always seem to be like this for whatever reason... | ||
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I feel he's a good lynch candidate as looking through his games the only scumgame he had he was more tunnelly toward his scum suspect day one. As in he wouldn't veer off him. He was a lot more sure of himself, and more methodical with his vote. This is a trait I didn't see in his other games. His excuses about activity this game may or may not be legit, but what I do know is that it's clearly obvious he's not very involved in this thread. His accusations of BH are pretty flimsy, yet he follows it up with a vote anyway and wait things out. In short, he's putting in no effort to solve the game. And his gameplay this game looks more similar to his scumgame than his towngames. For your review, his three newbie games: Compare his scum game: NMM XLI To his town games: NMM XLII NMM XXXIX And see what I mean. As for Wave, although his comments on Grush and Sputnik were scummy, he does seem to have an active involvement in this game. I'd much rather lynch JarJar today. Looking at his past games, his scummy play this game seems consistent with his prior mafia game.: ##Unvote ##Vote: JarJarDrinks | ||
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In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum. Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. | ||
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Last post directed @Solstice. Sniped by a ton of people... | ||
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