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So much bullshit on this page alone; and I wanted to comment on NKs and shit.
On May 21 2013 07:54 Blazinghand wrote:
So we don't have a claim for that 2nd shot, do we? Means there's a 3p in the game, and I've been counterclaimed, so nobody's going to listen to me until I flip. I'll just do what I can to write a good case then so after I flip there's something for you guys to work off of.
How do you know it's 3p? Could very easily be town or mafia vig. Personally a likely reason I could see is you claiming 3p shot is because you already know it's mafia vig and you're trying to cover it up, but WIFOM. I personally am inclined to think mafia vig but then I would also think town would have a vig as well, and only 2 shots doesn't add up. Maybe it is 3P picking off an easy target since Rayn didn't seem to be as towny of a player as he normally seems to be? He was acting really weird regarding the random vote on iamp and whatnot, and a whole lot less tunnely than usual. (But then if 3P why not pick off Grush or something...? Ugh.)
On May 21 2013 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 23:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where the fuck is Rayn, I was looking forward to his play this game---it is completely unlike him to be this lurky and I don't like it one bit, especially given the fact that he has seen no pressure whatsoever for his lurkiness and yet the more active lurkers like JJD and sputnik have been threatened for not much more. Found rayn suspicious early, so my scumdar on this guy goes down a bit. But then later a quick search on his filter brings up a lot of conversation with iamp and rayn and he never really accuses either of being mafia...still a pretty weak scumread for me. This could be the one im wrong about
Vayne I have no idea what you're getting at here. I am a scumread of your based on what exactly? What does me not calling iamp or rayn mafia have to do with anything?
On May 21 2013 07:21 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote:Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot. Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler: + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote:I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:16 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:01 s0Lstice wrote:
the fact that i've only ever played town is a pretty important piece of information to share for people who don't know me/haven't played with me.
getting my share on, don't hate Maybe I'm reading to much into this but I'm wondering why you want people to focus on your meta? Let's say I tell you this is like my 13th game without rolling scum. What does that tell you about my play this game that you'd consider important at all right now? So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 03:19 Stutters695 wrote:On May 18 2013 03:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:06 s0Lstice wrote:On May 18 2013 03:04 DarthPunk wrote:On May 18 2013 03:02 s0Lstice wrote:
stutters, you got any scum games you can quickly point me to save me some time? OOHHH Let me. As town, He lurks but sometimes says useful things. As scum, He lurks. Ohhh but not this time, according to him. Stutters you are forbidden to lurk.
Not the first, nor the last time that phrase will be heard in this forum. Excellent summary of my town play. That fabled scum game is still waiting to happen though. When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 06:00 Stutters695 wrote:
Right now I could get behind a Vayne lynch. vayne how many games have you played (on TL and in general if you've played on other sites)? In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: StuttersI look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far. Here's a couple of things he said in The Game. On March 17 2013 05:31 goodkarma wrote:@Mr. Wiggles:On March 17 2013 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 17 2013 03:53 goodkarma wrote:On March 17 2013 02:46 Coagulation wrote:
The sast thing was clearly a joke. It was like an hour into day 1 and there was no one posting. You can just expect to be nailing scum 1 hour into day 1 when 90% of players havnt posted. thats fucking absurd. so omg someone makes a joke post to pass the time. Okay. I can understand it was early. But if we were to look in the here and now you still haven't provided anything that suggests who you think could be scum.I think what peashooter, and others here are getting at, is either post something that helps us scumhunt, or don't post at all. I am less inclined than others here to just policy lynch you. But you make it hard for us when you continue to spam the thread with emotional OMGUS responses. Hopefully you see where we're coming from. I would be most interested in hearing about your read on Grey. What are your own reads for scum? You've mentioned twice the need to scumhunt, and here you're chiding Coag for not providing anything in regards to who he thinks is scum, when you yourself have done the same. It's just more of the same general game play talk with no actual stances taken in regards to your own opinions. ##Vote: goodkarmaConvince me you're not scum. Sowy, but I'm not giving you any scumreads until I'm ready to. You claim I haven't been scumhunting, but if you were to look at my posting so far I have: 1) Worked towards establishing a pro-town atmosphere, a reasonable early goal
2) Been pushing others for reads to get a better understanding of their motives and thought process, which is very important to getting scumreadsAs far as cases go, which aren't the only component of scumhunting: As I said, when I'm ready. And I promise you it will be long before the end of the day. But what I'd recommend you to do right now is to focus some of your energies on getting others to participate (not everyone has even posted yet!), and pursue some of your other scumreads. Because tunneling one read, and going into lurker mode thereafter is in itself pretty scummy... On March 17 2013 09:15 goodkarma wrote:
I will be presenting my own case before the evening's done, so everyone has a solid 24ish hours to look at it. But I typically don't like to jump into cases as quickly as some here. Call that scummy if you want, but it's my playstyle. Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important. Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes. I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER. First off, the wording is "don't typically," which is very important. You (and everyone else) seem to be treating my day one play as though I had knowledge of my alignment, which isn't the case... With Stutters, my early vote was a form of pressure. It's been my experience that he's very hard to get much out of at times, so an early case felt appropriate. Further, if you are to look at this game and compare it to prior ones, you will notice I have no mention of policy lurker lynches, which has been an early staple of my play (regardless of alignment) since like forever. So if you believe, as some seem to, that my use of meta-analysis is poor, yet are holding me to some kind of meta, I would like you to consider my two scumgames.: 1) LVII I could pretty much do whatever the fuck I wanted (as long as I didn't draw a RB), as Mattchew was caught and I was planning on suiciding night one. So I was more aggressive there than I normally would be.
2) My very first scumgame which no one seems to remember or mention (NMM XXIII) was mostly a lurkfest. I sat there and made a case or two. The moment I was suspected I crumbled up and waited to die...So in short, if I were scum I'm confident that what you'd see something different from both of them. But what you wouldn't have seen is me throwing around votes as hard as I did or changing my stances like I did. I've played enough to know better than to make a bajillion vote switches as scum. I would have been far more cautious. And yes, you could respond with something like "Well wouldn't you as scum, knowing all this, just make a post like this anyway?" You should be familiar enough now with the way I've played as town to understand my playstyle and thought process. People rail on me all the time for my day one townplay. It's because of policy talk, or focusing on lurkey players, or some creative play that no one likes (not looking at role PM day 1)... If you were to believe me when I say that I didn't look at my role PM until when I said I did in thread, and then assess my reads, I would like to know how you think they line up with yours. Move spicy to null, BH to certain scum + Show Spoiler + (outside of some wildly unlikely 2-town mason, bad town vigi that doesn't claim shenanigans) , and Rayne to confirmed town, and that's about where I stand right now. I may have a "hard-to-read playstyle," but the one thing that has always been consistent is the strength of my reads. They become solid over time as town, and are absolute shit as scum. If you are to judge me on anything, I recommend you look at that.
Why are people so sure that someone's play can't evolve over time? I don't see how we're supposed to compare your very first scumgame a year ago to a game you're playing now; if anything I find the point that you'd bring that up and expect us to think your play would be exactly the same without you having learned anything scummy.
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Hence my saying I am inclined to think mafia vig. Fine 'very easily' being bad choice of wording; I doubt very much a town vig would be bad enough to hit Rayn.
Marv what do you think of the rest of that part of the post? I don't know much about game balance but it would seem to me that if mafia has a vig town must have one, no? Do you find 3P more likely?
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On May 21 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know which I find more likely. Maybe I'll muse on which Les Mis character would likely be SK. Tenardier perhaps? :>
Blazing's assumption that it means 3p is certainly not a good one. When I was last mafia in a 16 player mini, we had a mafia vigi (Hero Mini Mafia).
If town has a vigi he might not have shot last night. Who knows.
Well I require some insight if you will as I have never rolled scum or any sort of NK role.
Do people often wait to use vigi shots if town/scum? I think most if not all of the games I've seen with one-shot vigs (although apparently there's other types of vigs like infinite shot? I've only ever seen one-shot i think) they tend to shoot pretty much as soon as they can?
As far as shot reasoning, from what I understand:
Mafia vig - shoot to remove extra threats, or cause confusion amongst town
Town vig - shoot to remove lurkers, or if you're REALLY sure someone is scum?
The Rayn kill obviously doesn't fit in my understanding of what a townvig should be doing (even though he lurked slightly more than usual for him, doesn't compare to other people in this thread) therefore it must have been mafia vig or 3P. I know in LXI Grush was shot by Ace because STARSENSES and he was a low profile player---likely to cause confusion as to who shot him and why (though in the end I think he really gave away that it wasn't a mafia shot because no mafia would ever shoot grush lol) so it makes me wonder if a 3P were choosing a similar strategy to Ace why not either shoot Grush to cause that confusion once more or a similarly useless player? Why Rayn?
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On May 21 2013 08:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
I don't know which I find more likely. Maybe I'll muse on which Les Mis character would likely be SK. Tenardier perhaps? :>
Blazing's assumption that it means 3p is certainly not a good one. When I was last mafia in a 16 player mini, we had a mafia vigi (Hero Mini Mafia).
If town has a vigi he might not have shot last night. Who knows. Well I require some insight if you will as I have never rolled scum or any sort of NK role. Do people often wait to use vigi shots if town/scum? I think most if not all of the games I've seen with one-shot vigs (although apparently there's other types of vigs like infinite shot? I've only ever seen one-shot i think) they tend to shoot pretty much as soon as they can? As far as shot reasoning, from what I understand: Mafia vig - shoot to remove extra threats, or cause confusion amongst town Town vig - shoot to remove lurkers, or if you're REALLY sure someone is scum? The Rayn kill obviously doesn't fit in my understanding of what a townvig should be doing (even though he lurked slightly more than usual for him, doesn't compare to other people in this thread) therefore it must have been mafia vig or 3P. I know in LXI Grush was shot by Ace because STARSENSES and he was a low profile player---likely to cause confusion as to who shot him and why (though in the end I think he really gave away that it wasn't a mafia shot because no mafia would ever shoot grush lol) so it makes me wonder if a 3P were choosing a similar strategy to Ace why not either shoot Grush to cause that confusion once more or a similarly useless player? Why Rayn? I would say town vigis usually shoot on night 1s (even though they shouldn't in minis especially, they should wait). I rolled vigi 3 times, shot twice first night and once 2nd night. Then again I don't expect to live to use my shot. Shooting grush causes no confusion (at least not to a town with me alive). Either town vigi claims his bad shot and I shout at them, or it's 3p, because on night 1 especially it sure as hell isn't a mafia shot. If I were 3p, I would leave enough weirdish, unreadable-ish players around like grush, stutters etc around as much as possible, because they never bring clarity to a game.
Alright so from this I gather that you're leaning towards 3P explanation. I find it pretty unlikely that mafia gets a vigi while town doesn't and you say that town vigi usually shoots N1 so the lack of extra NK, as well as your explanation of who 3P should be shooting means you probably think 3P?
Now the existence of a 3P (assuming this is true...I haven't given up on the possibility of mafia vig). What does that mean for BH's 'slip?' Is a 11-4-1 setup possible or would it have to be 12-3-1?
Completely unrelated but I'd like to hear GK's answer to mine and marv's recent questions towards him.
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On May 21 2013 09:04 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 08:28 goodkarma wrote:On May 21 2013 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
GK: so you're proposing you play differently when you don't know your alignment to when you know you're town? I've already explicitly described my thought process behind what I did day one in my filter. You should read that more closely.: On May 19 2013 13:07 goodkarma wrote:
If you want to lynch me, suit yourself. Just know this:
Day 1 I don't check my role PM. So you're basically random lynching.
I've resolved to do my best to help town, regardless of alignment, day one. Even as scum, if I were to lynch a teammate I figured I'd just be removing a liability. It was the fruit of all the bitterness of having people down my throat every day one as town.
And if you don't believe me, check hydra mini mafia II obsQT. The only reason I knew my alignment early there was because of my partner peaked.
I've honestly become very tired of putting up with this shit every day one. So feel free to lynch me. I've put it out there. I'll check my alignment closer to the deadline...
And hopefully you'll have enough sanity to go after the obvious people that should be looked into for lynching (BH / JarJar) instead of the guy that's being a tryhard. So you're playing for town, which you were pretty insistent in The Game meant you were taking it slow and not making premature cases, wanting to interact before voting etc. You can't use not reading your role PM as part of your defence but then say you'd be playing as you would as town. I definitely can. If I were to not PM peek and then later look and find out I'm scum, I wouldn't have bias in my posts until after that point. And that's very relevant to your case at hand, and what originally made you so irked, no? This is very much about you not believing that claim, so don't pretend it isn't. My play here is a little different from my prior games, and I've already highlighted those differences. I've also shown you how meta analyzing me based on my prior scumgames is pretty bad. That leaves my reads, so I'd like to ask you: what about them do you disagree with? That is my strength, and where the discussion should be. In particular, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say about what I recently posted about Dandel.
Analyzing you based on your prior scumgames as a point you are making is one thing that makes me think you are scummy. Look back to my recent post; there is a little about you in there that I'd like for you to respond to.
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On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me?
I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel?
##Vote: Dandel Ion
I am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me.
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On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel? ##Vote: Dandel IonI am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me. So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason?
I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum.
I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum.
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On May 21 2013 09:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:33 s0Lstice wrote:On May 19 2013 19:22 marvellosity wrote:
Just caught up on 8 pages and my mind's all blank because I'm still absolutely fuming about the GK role PM thing. I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it. The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying. I think not reading your role PM goes completely against the spirit of the game and I find it absolutely disgusting. In Red Team I joined Hapa's policy lynch on OO for a while when he said he didn't read his role PM without saying much about it before leaving it alone and not talking about it. I'm not wasting my time thinking about something that's basically the height of unsportsmanship.
I pretty much agree with this. I can't honestly think of any reason why you wouldn't read your role. If you're so bored you feel like 'spicing up the game' or something by not reading it basically amounts to trolling which is, by definition, anti-town.
Which, funnily enough, also relates to this:
On May 18 2013 07:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Hey guys this thread looks extraordinarily dumb and only dumb shit is happening and I am extremely uninterested in everything that's happened so far.
I just was like "oh yeah another thread that's as full of irrelevant bs as Personality*, that gotta be FUN" so I just HAD to replace in.
Now I shall read my role PM.
Or shall I?
I guess I shall, but I'm not decided yet!
Yes, apparently he read his PM but why the fuck post and ask us 'whether or not he should read it?' Again, anti-town mentality. No reason that checking your role PM shouldn't be the first fucking thing you do, even if you replace in. (Weak support I know, but I feel it's worth bringing up.)
Marv and solstice, I am curious as to where this is going, btw. What are your reads on each other because I'm not sure if either of you have posted them.
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On May 21 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
I did post my read on s0lstice, probably within the last page, dear.
Ok you're right. Missed it 'cause posting. I'm actually kinda surprised at that read...you compare him to iamp? You didn't find iamp towny despite him masoning you?
Also why the fuck are all of my scumreads avoiding me.
/sort of sarcasm
Where the fuck are GK and Dandel
ragerageragerageragerage
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On May 21 2013 09:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
I did post my read on s0lstice, probably within the last page, dear. Ok you're right. Missed it 'cause posting. I'm actually kinda surprised at that read...you compare him to iamp? You didn't find iamp towny despite him masoning you? Also why the fuck are all of my scumreads avoiding me. /sort of sarcasm Where the fuck are GK and Dandel ragerageragerageragerage no no, I meant iamp's read on him in his will post.
Oh lol I knew that was weird.
Alright carry on.
Man since you're around I feel like we should discuss something but I don't know if I have anything left to ask you. I need a break from this.
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Alright ladies and gents I'm back.
Let's see here....JJD throwing suspicion on me?
What the fuck is this? You show up to post fucking twice every other day, have no consistency in your scumreads, have the balls to point out some of my shit and then don't even call me a scumread?
I guess I won't destroy you completely right now since you actually seem to be engaging the thread in conversation for once.
On May 21 2013 21:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:26 Stutters695 wrote:On May 21 2013 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 21 2013 09:07 s0Lstice wrote:
also, Marv
I'd like to hear about this some more:
It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on.
from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? I'd be interested to hear this too. And actually solstice your other post reminds me, where the FUCK is Dandel? ##Vote: Dandel IonI am aware I have other scumreads to push today but Dandel seems a good one as any to begin with; I can't simply go on marv's read of him alone. Dandel if you want to live through the day, fucking talk to me. So what makes you vote DI over BH. Do you not feel BH is nearly confirmed scum after finding out iamp is a mason? I can't honestly say how I feel about it. I have experienced scum BH before and as I've mentioned before some of it feels like it fits but not exactly. This could also very well be an easy frame attempt from mafia, or it could be exactly what it looks like and BH is scum. I am more than happy to consolidate on a BH lynch later on but considering the entire town is already down his throat, one extra person pushing him is one more person not trying to find other scum. am I the only one that reads this as "I'll vote for BH if he's already dead but if there's a chance I can get someone else lynched I will"? And what do you mean by "an easy frame attempt from mafia"? Doesn't frame imply that mafia did something to put suspicion on him? Where's the frame?
Iamp showed up with a counterclaim and significant reason to lynch BH, therefore either BH killed iamp or mafia is trying to frame him into making us think that. Is it that hard to understand?
You do however make a point that right now my Dandel vote is going absolutely fucking nowhere since he's graduated from trolling to lurk-fucking-city. Still a long time in this day,however. Convince me not to push YOU as my primary scumread.
Your reasons for having scumreads on people are fucking terrible.
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads? YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it. DP - reasons already stated. Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.
Grush? Really? I'm not getting into this again in detail; yes Grush is useless but unless he is vigged what are you going to do about it?
As far as suspicion on Spicy goes, I already re-attacked him for this if you'd read the thread and he explained it before that and as well when I attacked him pretty decently. I don't see what new evidence you've brought up here or why you're bothering pushing an ages-old matter that is barely relevant right now.
In other news, Marv you want to let me in on what you're thinking about the frame?
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On May 22 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Wave you so cute
The frame? what?
My thoughts on whether or not BH was framed. Are you 100% sure he is mafia? Because I'm not.
Cute trap you appear to be trying to set though.
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Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.
I don't know what is so hard to understand here.
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On May 22 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
What the fuck is this? You show up to post fucking twice every other day, have no consistency in your scumreads, have the balls to point out some of my shit and then don't even call me a scumread? You're post looked suspicious to me so I pointed it out. That doesn't make you a scumread. Show nested quote +As far as suspicion on Spicy goes, I already re-attacked him for this if you'd read the thread and he explained it before that and as well when I attacked him pretty decently. I don't see what new evidence you've brought up here or why you're bothering pushing an ages-old matter that is barely relevant right now. I was asked
Do YOU understand what I'm saying about BH right now? Because nobody else seems to.
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On May 22 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do we have different understandings of the meaning of the word or something?
My thoughts at the time were, either BH is mafia and everything is exactly as it seems, or mafia killed iamp to make it look even more so that BH is mafia for reasons I explained to JJD, hence FRAMING him.
I don't know what is so hard to understand here. Well framing is typically done by a framer. I've mentioned this before, but iamp doesn't have to die for him to stop being a town mason. 90%+ of the game thought iamp was strongly town (silly rayn), so if iamp and/or me are alive tomorrow producing those logs with the existing reads of town, what difference is it? Do you really think if iamp were alive, there'd be enough doubt about his alignment for it to make a substantial difference?
I don't really understand the bolded part of your statement.
As for the second, I suppose not. You think that there was no particular reason other than blue/iamp was towny for the kill last night? Again I have to ask, but in recent games I have played there appear to be (at least to me) obvious attempts to make me look like scum by scum killing townies I may have suspected or whom suspect me (usually the second). Is this or is it not something scum are likely to do, or is it me being a conspiracy theorist again? (I just can't fucking help myself)
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DP mentioned this about BH; would you expect a wrongfully accused BH to rail against his 'retarded attackers' or act the way he's been acting?
Regarding your line of quotes: honestly if BH really was town it's true that the best use of his time would have been to just ignore DP for the time being, convince YOU that he was town and then the two of you together would have done a better job in preventing a supposed mislynch. I don't know what else there is to say about all this. The evidence is overwhelming and damning. My gut feelings aside that there's something 'up,' I don't really see what else I can dispute. If people like JJD (that aren't likely scum) think that I'm not committed to a BH lynch because my vote isn't on him atm I can change it, but I'd still like to find out who the rest of the scumteam are and there's over 24h to go, so I don't see why that matters.
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Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.
On May 21 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 23:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 21 2013 23:39 marvellosity wrote:On May 21 2013 23:38 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I should add that I think jarjar is a lot lower on my scum list now since I voted for him. Mind explaining why? One of my biggest problems with him was his lack of post/excuse for postings which he has improved on. I thought his asking for town credit didn't feel scummy. He was taking a lot of heat D1 and when the BH slip happened, his response felt like a "i told you so!" Just felt like a new player reaction more than a scum. I also found it extremely unlikely that jarjar was bussing BH from the beginning, so if BH flips scum, I'd doubt that jarjar would also. The other reason is that others have jumped out more. BH with the slip, dandel not giving a fuck and the last second vote still annoys me, and then GK for his no reading role pm, his flimsy arguments and for possibly being the 3P killer. I thought the same yesterday about the BH thing, today I'm not so convinced on it. I also checked out JarJar's newbie games; in 2 he didn't make any activity excuses at all, in 1 he made several. Guess the alignments? His general tone is bugging me too, but I don't know how to explain that one very well.
JJD has been on my scumdar for days. What about his tone is bothering you? (I'm basing my read of him on this game because my meta reads aren't great overall.)
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On May 22 2013 01:15 marvellosity wrote:
Because I'm omnipresent and I have lovely abs.
Thank you for asking me to explain something I said I couldn't explain very well. He's coming across as overly aggressive, it feels like he's working against town rather than with town. Do you understand what I mean by that?
Haha I meant to say something like "explain to the best of your ability" but I guess I forgot that part.
Honestly, no I'm not sure I do understand. I'll go have a look at him in the next little while though with that in mind.
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On May 22 2013 01:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does it feel like you're the only one who's ever around for me to interact with marv? DP You're welcome to comment on any of this btw.
Maybe because I can't have a conversation with someone who doesn't respond to my post asking you a question.
Sorry, I figured my explanation after that post answered your question well enough. Did it?
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On May 22 2013 01:37 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2013 01:29 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Marv or anyone, has there ever been a game with 2 town night masons as BH would like to believe? I ask because my issue with BH is turning less about the 'slip' and more about the setup and his defense.
With Iamp flipping mason it would seem weird for a setup to have 2 town night masons. Just doesn't feel right. Also as Marv pointed out, BH's delayed postings are troubling and definitely scum indicative. I'd say a 1-1 split was perhaps more likely, but a 2-0 split is certainly pretty possible. If anyone's lynching BH because we've had a town mason flip they're doing it wrong, it's circumstancial evidence at best. This is exactly what I mean, I don't want to lynch BH just because a town mason flipped, he hasn't acted that scummy before this whole stalling thing. Usually when hes accused hes very quick to fight back but hes kinda laying low. Wouldnt be surprised if hes telling his mafia team what to do after he dies or something.
He hasn't?
Did you read his drunkposting fiasco?
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