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On May 23 2013 06:56 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 06:37 Stutters695 wrote:
I really didn't like it but without Marv or DP on it and the rest of the thread not giving a shit that wasn't changing. Can we expect a night post from you Marv before the flip again, 48 hours of low activity is really concerning from you. Don't sheep if you don't believe in the vote. Vayne and I voted GK and so would have BH if bothered. It's ok to go against the majority opinion if you believe in your argument.
I made it pretty clear I wanted him to live over DI or GK but I can't get a late switch going without a more established player backing it.
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Very true VA, especially with him being one of the last people to return to the thread. That just clicked but nothing to worry about right now.
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On May 22 2013 13:45 s0Lstice wrote:
Pardon me, but what the fuck are you guys doing?
The slip+the reaction should be plenty. If you don't buy the slip, there has been nothing that BH has done in the past while (after dragging ass for over a day) that scum BH couldn't do.
I can't believe I have to be phone posting (I hate phone posting ) to say this.
This is just a cursory read but to anyone here, look at this. s0l strolls back into the thread when there was some possibility of a switch off of BH to shoot it down solely on the basis of the obviously false scumslip. Before the slip he has no real mentions of BH and he tries to shoot down any discussion on the matter with the slip and a catch-all "well scum could easily do this" without justifying it.
It's more of a question of what scenario is more realistic. I could see him reading the discussion and thinking Marv/DP would give him some real town cred for keeping the lynch on course since they hadn't posted bad feelings about the lynch yet.
I could also see him believing the scumslip and genuinely thinking it was the right course of action but the lack of any justification outside the lynch makes me uneasy.
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And by obviously false I mean now, not at the time. That was some poor wording.
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On May 23 2013 10:33 yamato77 wrote:
I'm not used to stutters trying so hard.
I guess I can add him to my list of obvious town.
Watch the next game start on a weekend and I get lynched d1 because it isn't this active lol
Coming up s0l, I'm honestly not sold on him as scum but I'm leaning towards scum. My phone is dying so I might not be able to give a strong reread until Friday since tomorrow my other half and i have a full day planned.
At the very least expect it Friday morning, but I'd like to get to it tonight. My talks with BH are still my current thoughts on him.
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Activity is a huge portion of Marv's town game. I'm trying to remember which game it was but I played one with him where he had almost half the games filter(maybe not quite, but it sure as fuck felt like it) but was seen as scummy because he didn't give a shit. Regardless I agree with BHs read for now but if we start getting into late game and he hasn't figured it out/have a handle on things or doesn't resume his usual activity he needs to die. Worry about it later if he doesn't get nk'd in the meantime imo.
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I have s0l. Sorry for going back to this, but especially with Marv I need time to do that so expect something Friday. I'm just saying I've played directly with an ambivalent Marv and he was town. He just didn't really care that game. Much of that read too relied on mechanics not present I'm this game.
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On May 24 2013 01:29 DarthPunk wrote:And from this day forth that game will never again be known as LXI but will, for ever after be the butthurt game to all who speak of it for generations to come.
They already named it after the VE Palmar MrCC triple cop claim lol.
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Do we rely on DI to shoot at scum or do we bank on this being a 3 scum game/jk prot getting through?
Both these options suck.
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Are there any instances of 3p kp being factional or is that a non-factor?
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On May 25 2013 02:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Are there any instances of 3p kp being factional or is that a non-factor?
Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me.
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Yeah, I figured that was the case, just figured it wouldn't hurt to ask.
Well the situation is pretty grim.
If we lynch DI we need to stop the NK or get endgamed.
If we lynch scum we get in the awkward position of hoping they never hit the JK if we go with the JK stopping DI until endgame:
5-4-1 (5-3-1), 4-3-1 (4-2-1), 3-2-1(3-1-1), 2-1-1(2-0-1)
Unless we get to 2-1-1 with the JK alive we lose. Those aren't good odds.
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The best bet would probably be to do nothing with DI and force scum to deal with him. For him to have any chance at all he obviously must shoot scum tonight. The mafia are going to be after the JK either way and he can just try to save the scum nk. Seems like the best option unless there is no chance of relying on DI to take a good shot, which is pretty much his only way to possibly win himself. If he can't be relied on for a night we have yo take a chance somewhere. Any suggestions?
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On May 25 2013 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
just does (maybe)
he's trying to be all useful with what we should do, but actually he's not being useful, he's posting shit for the sake of posting shit.
yukyukyuk
If you can explain why I would deviate from a lurky meta in a game full of lurkers and put myself out there as a first time scum instead of riding my meta to another game without getting lynched, explain away. Otherwise you might want a plan for what to do after DI flips.
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On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one.
I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially).
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On May 25 2013 12:15 DarthPunk wrote:
So assume for a moment that we do not lynch dandel. Who do we kill and why? I want this from everyone. Being unsure is an ok answer but that means you need to figure it out.
GK tomorrow, that's a sure lynch. The only concern was if he was scum or 3p and he's obviously not 3p now. There is no doubt in my mind he was anti-town (especially after talking with BH) and was my second choice behind DI.
After him I'm more unsure but I'd say between s0l and JJD. I need to filter dive that one, this is just my current thoughts. If we make it to LYLO(2-1) and Marv is alive I'm giving him some strong consideration. This isn't the Marv I expected, especially his lack of interactions with BH D2. He was uncharacteristically quiet and its just slightly off. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but it's weird and worth checking out.
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Also I'm tubing down the river drunk tomorrow so I'll be pretty inactive. Just to be safe in case I can't get here before the flip ##vote: dandel ion
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On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 11:13 Stutters695 wrote:On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one. I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially). It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now.
It's not that he's not carrying the game that worries me per se. It's more his ambivalence. He's not given a shit before in games MtG mini where he openly said he was playing for fun and not really trying yet when it came down to it he still cared. Compare it to this game where he goes missing for extended periods without anything to show for it and his lack of caring, flip flopping on BH too late to do anything when the info was already out there for the most part and its really concerning. He could just be demoralized (this game has been really ass for town so this is an absolute LYLO deal, but it wouldn't surprise me. If i don't make it to endgame someone should really look into it.
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On May 25 2013 22:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 22:14 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 25 2013 14:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Pretty good. Day one I wanted to lynch him but was convinced by s0lstice that he should be given time to contribute. Then all he has done is sheep the popular lynches whilst making a weak as shit case/push on me who should be read as town even though i got lazy after the blazinghand lynch. See stuff like this is why I think you're scum. This is the 2nd time you said untrue stuff to try and make me look bad. The first was when you talked about my meta. Please explain what you mean by "all he has done is sheep the popular lynches" because that's completely untrue. Also can you tell me why you "should be read as town"? Well is it untrue? you went along with the BH lynch even though it was being pushed HARD by your number one scum read. now you are going along with the DI lynch even though your number one scum read is pushing for a DI lynch. And despite talking about me being your number one scum read for a while you actually haven't pushed for my lynch at all. You scum bro. maybe read about why everyone else thinks i'm town if you genuinely want to know. Also BH said I was town when i was pushing hard for his mislynch so I don't know why the fuck YOU would NOT think I am town
I could definitely see a JJD scum but both sides want DI dead. If scum don't they can't really push it without outing themselves so I don't really think him agreeing with DI is a point one way or the other.
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Oh and GK, every game (unless you're reading my newbies) I'm apologetic for having to afk. If anything you could say that I've actually followed through on promises to deliver later where in past games I haven't as a deviation from my town meta(not that I'd consider that bad at all).
I'm not sure what you're saying about hard lines on stances, you'd have to elaborate, and read the "get him boys" in context, Marv said spicy was antagonizing BH so I thought I'd jump in when nothing else was going on for laughs.
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