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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 06:41 VayneAuthority wrote: http://wiki.epicmafia.com/index.php?title=Mason this is what I know a mason to be. If people just change the meaning of roles freely on here then whatever, im wrong. yes, we're not epicmafia or mafiascum, we're TL  | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 06:43 VayneAuthority wrote: Guess I will just stop talking then, like the 3rd time I have spammed the thread with useless stuff. be back when night kills flip. don't worry about it, you're just used to different shit than we are. No reason to abandon the thread broski <3 | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: If BH is mafia, in your scenario here, i think his whole claiming a mason falls apart. It makes no sense. explain? | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, let's say you are town and BH mafia: - BH unnecessarily claims mason. That will be confirmed at some point. - You say BH knows he needs to mason you. Makes sense. - If he is scum mason, why claim mason when he is not even really lynched yet? You can figure out his alignment on N1, you can figure out his scumbuddies. - Why not just buss a lesser scum (as BH is kinda good as scum right?) and earn credit for someone if you are "about to get lynched", as opposed to possibly outing more than one scum on N1? Claiming mason when he did was suboptimal from either a mafia or town perspective. Yet you're discounting one and not the other. What's the town explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. What's the mafia explanation for BH claiming mason? He panicked and wanted the votes off him. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Claiming mason is not relevant. If he was town/scum he probably thought he was gonna get lynched and that does not tell anything about his alignment. There is no other reason to claim mason when he did. What i said after that first line is however relevant. No, all your subsequent lines are "why did he claim mason instead of doing something else" because he panicked. same for both alignments. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: You mean DI? I know why, because GK is scum. That's a terrible reason, sputnik was lynched with or without Dandel's vote. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes but if he panicked as scum he would not claim mason if you were town. He would do something else. There is literally no reason (if he thought he, or other scum was gonna get lynched on D1) to make the game harder for your team. Just accept your fate and hope you play better next time. Damn you marv, you are supposed to be good at this shit, why are you so bad now? Your alternative was "bus a scumbuddy". That's not a good alternative. People always call me bad in arguments like this and it's rarely because I'm being bad. Just saying. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Blarf... What are you doing. First you say "BH panicked". Now you say "bussing a scumbuddy is no good alternative". If BH panicked, he thought he was gonna get lynched right? BH is supposed to be a good scum player right? Why is bussing not a good alternative? Because losing a mafia is never a good alternative unless absolutely necessary. If he's scum mason, he can claim mason and his alignment isn't provable one way or another, and it averts the lynch like it absolutely did. No-one has ever called BH a good scumplayer btw. He's always dead by day 2-3 latest. | ||
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marvellosity
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I'm just saying that BH could plausibly have done what he did as either alignment. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i am trying to say is this: Try to look at this from his perspective. If he is scum, he clearly panicked and claimed his role because he thought he was gonna get lynched (as otherwise there is no reason to claim). He knows he needs to mason you on N1. That is a big big nono if you are town (which BH would know if he is scum and you town) as you might be able to catch not one, but more scum on that phase. Why the fuck would BH claim mason if he is mafia and you are town? You say people do not call him a good scum player, even more reasons to not get in a one phase debate with you dontcha think? You're attributing a level of foresight and thought to someone who panic-claimed. see the issue? If you're panicking and roleclaiming when it absolutely isn't even necessary, it's highly unlikely you're thinking "if i do this, i'll have to mason marv night 1 and talk to him there and it'll be really difficult". Because if he was capable of making that logical train of thought in that moment he wouldn't have been claiming at all (as either alignment!) | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And we come back to my original argument: 1) BH is town and you are town - makes sense, townies do dumb stuff/posts/claims more likely than mafia 2) BH is town and you are mafia - makes sense as above 3) BH is mafia and you are mafia - brilliant scum play, and btw, you need to post the mason logs before N1 ends 4) BH is mafia and you are town - mafia has time to think about their actions. claiming is an action that is well-thought out, at least if you are not a complete newb. Who is to say BH (if mafia) did not think about what he is doing before doing so? I see this #4 scenario is impossible, because he is hurting his team with his action. this is where it's breaking down. with the greatest of respect to BH, who I don't actually think is a particularly terrible scumplayer, I also absolutely think he's capable of panicking as mafia and doing what he did, and you don't, and that's what it boils down to. | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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GK and Dandel I'll work more on this nightphase. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: ..because he would at least have discussed with his team how to handle the situation if it seemed like a situation where there is no outs other than a claim. not if he was panicking. see how circular this is?  | ||
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marvellosity
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:OOOOOO Anyway, people I'm reasonably confident are town at this stage are me, iamp, DP, yamato, and probably you. Secondary townreads are Vayne, Spicy, grush, maybe Wave? Realistically anyone not in the initial few names are fair game, and the alive ones I've not mentioned are even more fair game. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote: Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 17:31 Blazinghand wrote: Basically, I came into night 1 with 3 big townreads: DP, Marv, and (to an extent) Iamp. I decided I needed to mason someone who A) is almost certainly town and B) I can work well with. A) is because I want it to be clear I was in fact a masoner. B) is so that, well, I'm using my skill in a worthwhile way. I decided that since the Iamp read is based on meta, and DP and I rarely interact well, I'd be best off going with Marv. Admittedly there was a risk to it since Marv and I have clashed once or twice recently (LXI), but Marv likes winning games of mafia more than he likes fighting with me, so I figured it was my best bet. +1, that IS basically my philosophy. | ||
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marvellosity
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Especially as earlier in the thread I specifically gave 12-4 and 11-4-1 as my assumptions. Like, in black and white like that. There's very little point in BH defending himself on this, because there isn't really a satisfactory explanation, he just has to try find mafia and that's it. | ||
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marvellosity
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote: I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally? On May 16 2013 21:58 marvellosity wrote: What? How does it even matter when people don't know what letter they are? ...... On May 16 2013 21:59 marvellosity wrote: is that a scumslip? On May 17 2013 06:06 Crossfire99 wrote: Vivax the Weeping Angel has been lynched! | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 20 2013 19:07 DarthPunk wrote: So marv. You think he slipped or not? I think so, but I don't have your legendary decisiveness Given BlazingHand has made a 1000 word case on his confirmed town mason partner before, I don't put it past him as town either. | ||
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