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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 17 2013 21:54 GMT
#1460
VE still in the back of my mind =\
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 18 2013 04:25 GMT
#1603
Wow I was getting excited because I'm pretty blitzed for the fact that BH was going to die because lulz factor alone as I skimmed thru the last few pages here. Boner kill. Hiro please be mafia or all my reads are shit
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 18 2013 04:34 GMT
#1606
On May 18 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Just got back, reading...on page 74.....I'm afraid in the next fucking 6 pages to see what I'll find

We lynches you bro !!? Psyche ??
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 06:59 GMT
#1665
WoS Town then. For now.

On May 13 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wut

OK real talk you can't go and say "that's s post s newbie would make" and also be like "also he has been worthless" and also be like "but let's not lynch him'


WoS is no Marvellosity but hes no kushm4sta either. there's a pretty obvious explanation to his post there: blatant attempt to buddy me and hide in the shadow of my analysis. his isn't a post that helps town or hunts scum. he's just trying to blend in. there's an easy solution to that.

##vote WoS


What's more likely, that BH would call out his mafia teammate on this, or that he would call out townie and use it as an easy excuse to tunnel all day just like he ended up doing to me? From my perspective, it's more than likely this makes WoS town.



Thanks to whoever/however, BH died in the night. Not starting a full re-read yet but going to check out his latest interactions.

Kush you are voting for Prplhz so I'm going to look at his interactions with this past day. Looks like a lot of their recent efforts (BH vs Prplhz) went into casting doubt on eachother, whether or not both are mafia this is where the opportunities begin to unfold.



If you really think that they are both mafia together, then maybe we should be looking further into BH's filter a bit for his other interactions.

Go through BH's filter for a moment, looking at the smaller things:

VE
BH basically said VE's efforts were to get a lynch by being the loudest, which was true, but also hypocritical to the max when compared to BH's pushes. Gave VE a lot of push-back for the case during the last hours of D2. Pretty much cementing my town read on VE.

Prplhz
On May 18 2013 07:26 Blazinghand wrote:
GOD how are all of you SO BLIND. It's like hideously glaringly obvious that prplhz is double scum. It's like i'm the only town player and you're all scum and just fucking with me


On May 18 2013 05:53 Blazinghand wrote:
i like how you think that anything but voting prplhz wos or OO is a legit thing today

1 mafia 2 town? Standard right? Possibly. Need to think on this, it's possible the entire list was town but there's also the fact that Prplhz still has a 2 page filter on D3. Votes Vayne, leaves. Votes Hiro, leaves. Yeah I can see this being the case. It's not the voting that is scummy, it's how it's done here. Doesn't end up being able to be around to further discuss, as long as he maintains his schedule of appearances there is no way to know whether or not he is or is not available for the last few hours of day cycles. We get two days to discuss who we want to lynch, and he always parks his vote and leaves so it cannot be changed. This increases the chance for no-lynch and mislynch and he literally has an out with "Sorry I wasn't able to be around to change it" which, yes is understandable, no does not change the fact that he could be voting/discussing for the previous 24 hours of the day period and is barely here for that.

On May 17 2013 13:21 prplhz wrote:
I don't like lynching VisceraEyes at all.

VE started the game with a town read on Prplhz, I'm inclined to think Prplhz wanted to keep him as an ally, especially when VE was interested in lynching Vayne and potentially OO



I guess I did kind of end up going further back past the more recent stuff, but the longer I think on it, the more I convince myself that it's very possible that despite their arguments in the thread that Prplhz is mafia.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 07:01 GMT
#1666
##vote: Prplhz
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:16 GMT
#1669
VE would you say that you feel prom was more aggressive than you're used to seeing? I have to look at his other games to see how that strikes me actually. I remember him throwing away D1 in LX was it? Something random and aggressive that lacked the thread presence to push his RNG? I need to look at his town games. Back after I set up some java.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:17 GMT
#1670
I would not call his tone in that game aggressive, I mean in terms of his preference to RNG and not accepting anything else before he was figured out.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:25 GMT
#1674
On May 19 2013 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
In LX as scum he had a planned absence, and he did something silly early on that drew a lot of attention to him. Then he disappeared, and he got mayoral lynched. He wasn't aggressive at all really, when he got caught he went kinda limp. Rolled over almost. No offense Prom..but I think he was asking to be lynched really. Or hoping he'd be forgotten.

On May 10 2013 14:50 Promethelax wrote:
/in
don't expect anything from me but a warm body my time is not as free as I want it to be.

Deja vu?! lol
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:43 GMT
#1680
On May 19 2013 18:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Suffice to say, I don't think LX is an even representation of Promethelax' scum play in the least.

Yeah, okay, let's look at it this way: Prom has 2 scum games listed in his profile, one was a newbie game from ages ago and then there was LX which was random as fuck obviscummy. Take a gander at British Empire Mini II. He was town there, his early game features tons of short posts, very few large posts/mega-cases. Lots of willingness to discuss things. I don't get that bossy tone that we're seeing here in his posts from British; he's very handily demonstrating inquisitive/paranoid tendencies in British. Here he's assuming a commanding presence, but the counter-point to that is that his expected activity would not really support that playstyle for this particular game. I need to read his filter through-and-through here but that's one major difference I'm noticing that really can't be explained unless he's intentionally trying to be tough guy here and what's the town motivation for sounding like a bully? Here his posts feel less like a discussion and more like a dictatorship. He's driving but he's AFK. GHOST-RIDE THE WHIP!

Does that jive with what you're feeling?

Can't really do a meta analysis of his mafia play when he has two games ever and they are so far apart / different in nature. I can just point out what I see as not really feeling like his town play and guess as to whether or not that makes him scummy.

Last thought for the moment, need to look at how he voted for BH, like that entire conversation in context of the thread, that's where the Swedish Fish are likely hiding.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:46 GMT
#1682
On May 19 2013 18:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol looking back and BH calling me out for attempting to 'buddy' him I knew that was horseshit. People buddy each other all the time in this damn game yet I get called out every time I feel like trying it.

DISTINCT LACK OF FUTURE BUDDYING DETECTED

WHY ARE YOU NOT BUDDYING?

/jokes
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:54 GMT
#1684
See like BH fussed about VE pushing his lynch, but Prom voted for BH first. Suddenly VE is the scummiest guy ever based on that. Maybe because VE was around to talk about it and Prom disappeared, then again:
On May 18 2013 09:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your reasoning for pushing prplhz was a joke - you're trying to associate prplhz with Kush based on your "null" read on Kush. It's all bullshit, and you weren't interested in lynching him at all anyway because you immediately disappeared. You were trying to get someone to do your dirty work. You're scum, and you're going to pay for your transgressions with your LIFE sir.

On May 18 2013 09:40 Blazinghand wrote:
my case on purpl is NOT and associative case. your'e literlaly lying

LOL let's look at his Prplhz case.
On May 17 2013 23:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 18:33 prplhz wrote:
Okay I really want to lynch kushm4sta.

The guy hasn't notably pushed anything hard this game. He's fine being lurkish and just poking in here and there. I don't really find that to be scummy in itself but it's not a town tell either.

What my problem with kusm4sta is is how he's focused on himself and how he himself appears and not about other people. This is especially prevalent in his early game with posts like this and this and this. Those posts have only one purpose: showing people that he doesn't care about how he appears, but by being so blatant about it becomes apparent that he very much cares about how he appears to other players.

Contrast his early posts from Dessert Mini Mafia where he was town. In this post which is one of his very first he comes out pretty strong with a "I'm going to tell you a scum read in a second", there's no focus on how he appears but focus only on contributing.

Read for yourself, the filters are pretty short:
Dessert Mini Mafia
This game

I also find this post very off. First of all he is promising us something very insubstantial: "more activity", it's really hard to hold people up on that. He's also promising it to us "second half of the game" but when is that? This game could end in a few days or it could drag on until 3 players left. He's promising us nothing and at a time no townie knows when is. I imagine townies who were busy would say "I am busy this weekend, will post something after" or something like that, not say "I am busy for the first half of the game"?!

And then look at his latest post:

On May 17 2013 10:49 kushm4sta wrote:
On May 17 2013 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 17 2013 09:25 kushm4sta wrote:
I will vote VE.

But in regards to WoS, people need to realize he spams as scum. So spamming doesn't make him town.

##vote VE

I've never been scum you derp.

But if you did get scum, you would still spam.

First kushm4sta says that WaveofShadow spams as scum but he has absolutely no way to know this as WaveofShadow has never been scum. He is literally making things up here and there is NO townie motivation for this. His response also seems really nervous in that he makes a weird jokish comment on it like it means nothing when WaveofShadow has actually caught him in a direct lie that no townie would ever make.

Would you as town ever say that someone is acting like last time he was scum, when he has never rolled scum before? He also says it in a weirdly reassuring manner "Don't worry guys, just lynch him".

Anyway, lets lynch kushm4sta.

##Vote kushm4sta


Although you've noted a small thing that he did in one game as town that he's not doing this game, you have failed horribly at meta because you haven't shown that it's something kush does as scum. Meta cases can't just be "I usually see him do this as town and he's not", it has to be "He does X as town and Y as scum, and this game he is doing Y". This is because people's play varies from game to game even within their alignment. People are busier or more or less active or just have good or bad analysis games.

Kush hasn't written as much about others as he has in one or two town games. So what?!

Show me where he does this as scum OR tell me you have a red check on him OR tell me this is a policy lynch.

Until then I will not unvote

##unvote
##vote prplhz

His Prplhz case is just about summarized as: "you are bad at meta" it almost reads like a joke. Not sure what to make of his statement that "it's never coming off unless you do X" as he has since bled red... bravado is kind of his nature in this game, so fuck it, he was just talking the breeze. That is assuming you think Prplhz is scum. The counter-point is that he was using this simple angle to begin yet another town vote wagon. Guess it depends on how you view Prplhz independently of this BH post.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:56 GMT
#1685
I like how I went from Prom to Prp in that one post. Amazing. Simply amazing.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 09:58 GMT
#1686
So yeah why was Prom not the bad guy since he voted before VE?
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:01 GMT
#1688
Bussing BH could be considered good for all parties involved. Firecracker.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:02 GMT
#1689
Let's check the BH wagon while we're at it.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:12 GMT
#1691
BH Voters - Voted/stayed: Prome, Hiro, Oats
BH Voters - Votes/unvoted: VE, Grush, Kush

Hiro Voters - Voted/stayed: SNB, Prp, sloosh, Kush, grush, VE, WoS
Hiro Voters - Voted/unvoted: Prome, Shiro

BH voted Prome. Did NOT vote Hiro that day at ANY point. 5 scum, minus him, 4 scum, half the team can probably safely vote to push the scum-favored wagon, QED probably at least two of SNB, Prp, sloosh, kush are mafia.

On May 19 2013 19:07 prplhz wrote:
##Vote kushm4sta

BlazingHand defended kushm4sta from a straight up lie by saying "that's not scummy in itself".

Do you understand that kushm4sta straight up lied about something a townie would never lie about and BlazingHand defended him because he had said earlier that he wanted meta on a kushm4sta case? My case had some comparison to Dessert Mafia but BlazingHand said that kushm4sta couldn't be guilty unless I could show that kushm4sta lies as scum. Anybody?

@ObviousOne I'd respond to your case on me but it's all about what someone else said. I can't really argue against being on some offhane 3 people list that BlazingHand made at some point in this game. Also, you can check out the timezones, lynch is at 6AM for me and I'm usually not around at that time nor around 6 hours before.

Don't like your case at all.

I have no idea why people are suddenly going for BlazingHand's main scum read, someone he went out of his way to call scum. If I were scum don't you think he'd just tell me that my case on kushm4sta was bad because it didn't have meta? Instead he actually called me scum because of it and out of nowhere. kushm4sta didn't even give that a single thought, just full tunnel mode engaged.

Prp believes that Kush is mafia.

Prp give us reads on SNB and sloosh as well.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:23 GMT
#1694
On May 14 2013 05:52 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz isn't just of a policy lynch from my perspective, but it adds up to the decision.

I hydrad with kush in Hydra II and I don't recall him playing that badly there, if he doesn't stay regularly active and eager to share who his reads are, then he's up for lynch. That should be more or less the situation atm, so yeah, add kush unless he brings some more to the table.

I prefer to lynch prplhz before Rayn, I appreciated his latest contributions, although I'll need more time to get to a conclusive read.

My recap about prplhz is that he tried too hard to play the "good & helpful townie" role at the beginning, while his inconsistency and lack of contribution tells otherwise. He had a bunch of unanswered questions and completely stopped pursuing them, and he spoke about some general advice/moderation stuff before that.
After that, he disappeared to come back to say something about sloosh.


Prplhz is who I wanna lynch.

QUOTED FOR JUSTICE

Vivax would hate it if I didn't post this, I'm pretty sure. I just remembered that I have a boner for his town play and this sprung to mind.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:30 GMT
#1698
On May 19 2013 19:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 19:23 ObviousOne wrote:
On May 14 2013 05:52 Vivax wrote:
Prplhz isn't just of a policy lynch from my perspective, but it adds up to the decision.

I hydrad with kush in Hydra II and I don't recall him playing that badly there, if he doesn't stay regularly active and eager to share who his reads are, then he's up for lynch. That should be more or less the situation atm, so yeah, add kush unless he brings some more to the table.

I prefer to lynch prplhz before Rayn, I appreciated his latest contributions, although I'll need more time to get to a conclusive read.

My recap about prplhz is that he tried too hard to play the "good & helpful townie" role at the beginning, while his inconsistency and lack of contribution tells otherwise. He had a bunch of unanswered questions and completely stopped pursuing them, and he spoke about some general advice/moderation stuff before that.
After that, he disappeared to come back to say something about sloosh.


Prplhz is who I wanna lynch.

QUOTED FOR JUSTICE

Vivax would hate it if I didn't post this, I'm pretty sure. I just remembered that I have a boner for his town play and this sprung to mind.


Vivax' deathwish was for WaveofShadow's head on a pole. Just sayin. If we're respecting the dead, we gotta RESPECT the dead. For whatever reason he felt more strongly about Wave before he died than he did about prplhz...and I was townie on prplhz when Vivax was calling for his lynch sooo...I don't know about invoking Vivax in that way.

1 in 4 is better than I've been doing so far =[
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:36 GMT
#1703
On May 15 2013 10:28 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote bh

On May 15 2013 10:30 kushm4sta wrote:
im not even kidding. I think this is how BH plays scum.

On May 17 2013 16:20 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 14:13 Blazinghand wrote:
Unless you LITERALLY have a red check on Kushm4sta, your case against him MUST include meta. Every game this guy plays as town everyone says "omg kush is scum" and mislynch him. He always looks like scum, he's easy lynchbait, we are not lynching him unless he's doing something this game that's different than a normal kush town game, and is something he does as scum.

Anyone who makes case against kush that does not include a cop claim or a meta component, I will immediately vote you.


wow this is so epic ty bh


Okay so yeah.

I'm green on Kush right now. Unless he worked really hard to set up a shit load of retro-spective "townslips", idk that's far more advanced than I'm willing to think about right now.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
May 19 2013 10:42 GMT
#1706
Is there someone without a lot of history with VE in this game? He is a mafia whore prolific player so it would be helpful for someone who won't be likely to "read it in VE's voice" to check out the VE versus BH period of the game and weigh in on that.
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