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On May 14 2013 04:37 shirokami wrote:
@Rayn
um I think its because im trying to play without a notepad this time and play based on reading a fuckton of filters and trying to just make an image of the game inside my head.
the votes are on atleast 1 scum at the moment, just trying to think who that is.
I dont like Oats or WoS at the moment.
Hey, you claimed that you wanted a question answered by Rayn. I didn't see any of that yet, were you telling the truth?
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On May 14 2013 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
WoS, me and Prom discussed a few reads together, what's up with your disinterest into hopping into our discussion? Didn't see anything worth your attention in our posts? Looking back I missed this post, Vivax. I will look into prlphz and have already given my opinion on Rayn. Looking at your description of Oats being sloppy but calling him leaning town I'm curious as to what in his filter makes you think that. Also any opinion of BH at all?
Yeah, his post on you was only based on one post and a lot rhetoric, and his fillers are annoying. I saw BH both as DT and scum in action and currently he reminds me more of the latter. But I won't jump to a conclusion quickly yet.
I don't mind concluding D1 with a policy lynch either, looking along the ranks of Sinani/BM/prplhz , scum will never kill them anyway.
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Prplhz isn't just of a policy lynch from my perspective, but it adds up to the decision.
I hydrad with kush in Hydra II and I don't recall him playing that badly there, if he doesn't stay regularly active and eager to share who his reads are, then he's up for lynch. That should be more or less the situation atm, so yeah, add kush unless he brings some more to the table.
I prefer to lynch prplhz before Rayn, I appreciated his latest contributions, although I'll need more time to get to a conclusive read.
My recap about prplhz is that he tried too hard to play the "good & helpful townie" role at the beginning, while his inconsistency and lack of contribution tells otherwise. He had a bunch of unanswered questions and completely stopped pursuing them, and he spoke about some general advice/moderation stuff before that.
After that, he disappeared to come back to say something about sloosh.
Prplhz is who I wanna lynch.
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On May 14 2013 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i suggest you look at Red Team Prize before you make statements like that on prpl. I agree that he needs to contribute, but i would not lynch him now.
You are free to not vote for him if you don't think he's scum, but I feel quite confident about the choice and given the policy component I wouldn't feel too bad if I was wrong. Looks like win-win to me.
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On May 14 2013 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 05:59 Vivax wrote:On May 14 2013 05:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i suggest you look at Red Team Prize before you make statements like that on prpl. I agree that he needs to contribute, but i would not lynch him now. You are free to not vote for him if you don't think he's scum, but I feel quite confident about the choice and given the policy component I wouldn't feel too bad if I was wrong. Looks like win-win to me. I don't think the policy component makes prpl more scum/town and that's a shitty to add that as a reason. If you want to policy lynch him for being a lurker, fine. But i smell something fishy here.. Why are you paining this as a "possible policy lynch if you are wrong"?
Cause I wouldn't cry over his loss if he's town, he's not one of the guys I want to have around lategame. Should I be more politically correct?
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Now I don't understand where you are going with your questions, actually. You say it's fine if I want to lynch a lurker, when I wrote a case against prplhz, and in the next sentence you say it's not ok if it's a policy lynch where I could be wrong.
Rayn rayn
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Telling your scumread to shut up and die isn't exactly the most productive way to head for a lynch BH.
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BH, from 1 to 10, how sure are you WoS is scum
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I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS
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On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here.
Do you want me to be blunt or subtle and smart
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On May 14 2013 06:42 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here. I'm about to step out, so let me make this clear for you Vivax when WoS flips scum, people will start saying "oh, who was scum with him?" and they're going to see you, who had zero interest in lynching him, voting him with no explanation at all after it's clear he's going to be lynched.If you're town you better man the hell up and analyze and stuff cause if you saw a guy doing what you are doing now, after the red flip you'd want to lynch him. You know this. Don't be that guy. Of course if you are scum I'm okay with you being that guy. Just saying man
It's not clear he's to be lynched yet.
I'll bear with those trying to incriminate me, for the case that we get to flip him and you are right.
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It's the method, you mean. I speak for BH in his absence
Come vote WoS.
/dunked
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Waffle of Shadow
1. Call a guy town while implying he should be vigged.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2013 05:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 05:00 DarthPunk wrote:
I believe it was optimal for me to claim and prevent cops potentially wasting a check on me when I can just claim and then you all can discuss in the thread what to do. Information denial only assists mafia.
I understand that there are different schools of thought about claiming miller. But I am of the school that believes it is optimal to claim miller straight away and then get vigged or something worst case scenario rather than getting checked, wasting that check, going 'oh yeah I'm a miller guise don't lynch me' and then wasting a mislynch.
Also it is incredibly unlikely that I as scum decided to fake claim immediately N0 for literally no reason. I am good at playing scum and frankly don't need to resort to cheesy shit like that.
They only way I would claim miller like this was if I was, in fact, a miller and therefore town.
This guy is either town city or... nah fuck it he's telling the truth. On May 13 2013 05:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Only think I don't like about your claim is why N0, DP?
You're calling for us to waste a vigi shot that could be put to possible better use later on in the game.
2. No scumreads, just trolling, defending and talking about irrelevant stuff. (Source: His filter)
What has WoS done, analysis-wise? His first "scumread" was a vote on Oats as reaction to him voting for him based on poor reasoning. Later he started calling BH scum while at the same time throwing in he's not. He dug up some half-assed meta from him, ending up in this after BH called it out for being bullshit:
On May 14 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And BH you don't literally make it in every game. I wasn't going to go back into every single game of yours to look for that post; I looked into the games we have played in together and the only one you posted that in was The Game in which you were scum. You did not post it in LX, where you were DT. Lazy, fine. Grasping, maybe and I will admit it was a weak point. But you sure do seem to be the one getting all riled up about this, not me
Here WoS clearly talks to BH as if he thought he was town. If WoS thought BH was scum, he'd be looking through his filter finding evidence for that point,not trying to argue and deescalate the situation by talking with BH like that.
If you look at WoS' posts after this, you have another example of that scummy mindset:
Looking at the first post, it's made to discredit BH and subtly call him scum. But if you look at the next post (2), he goes all like "I ALREADY DEFENDED MYSELF BRO LEAVE ME ALONE PLS", does the begging tone look like something you would use towards a scumread, where you have to expect that it's someone who's going to push you against all rationality?
AAAAAnd in the next post (3), he goes back to calling BH's actions scummy, but nowhere do we see WoS trying to push a lynch on BH, all he cares about is waffling and defending himself.
On May 14 2013 06:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:30 Vivax wrote:
BH, from 1 to 10, how sure are you WoS is scum 10 it's basically impossible he's town Look at this posturing. People talking about how good BH is at the game: he is saying it is impossible I am town; what does it mean for the godly BH if he is wrong?
On May 14 2013 06:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 14 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote:
Telling your scumread to shut up and die isn't exactly the most productive way to head for a lynch BH. okay reasonable but look at what he posted! He's like "look at this, this is meta for BH being scum" and quoted a post I LITERALLY MAKE IN EVERY GAME. I do see how a town player could make a mistake like this, maybe he's just cornered and defensive. But really, what this says to me is that he's scum, and he's more interested in painting me as scum and defending himself than he is in hunting scum. If he was really town and thought he was getting mislynched, he wouldn't auto-think I was scum , he would evaluate evidence and a quote like that, which I make both as scum and as town, is not evidence I am scum. It's literally OMGUS. It's not an attempt to hunt scum, it's not an attempt to discern my alignment, it's an attempt to fling shit and try to cause collateral damage without giving up associative tells before he flips. I get that I'm a bit abrasive, but I'll tell you something else: I'm also right. and I calls em like I sees em /dunked I am neither cornered nor defensive. You will not be lynching me today.  You're STILL ignoring what I've asked you to look at you; you only pick out the part of my post that is easy for you to dump on. How is this town behvaiour? If you expect me not to try and turn it around on you, STOP ACTING LIKE SCUM. Rayn I think it's too early to lynch OO, he has decent potential and despite his trolly nature, he gets MUCH more useful later on in the game, much more so than prplhz. I'm a little surprised he hasn't done more yet but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. I'm not sure BH IS a better lynch; I'm trying to understand why he's acting this way but he refuses to acknowledge my questions of him and the fact that he is basing his entire read of me on one post---that is what makes him look scummy to me. I am certainly most comfortable with my vote on Oats right now due to his blatant flip on me without explanation. if you're not cornered or defensive how do you explain your lies about my meta? Already did, bro. And I NEVER LIE. All I did was post something and ask if you recognized it.
On May 14 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.
##Vote WoS I appreciate your support and I understand that as the principle guy who has singlehandedly caught WoS, I'm on the hook if by same hideous miracle the man flips town (rofl) but that being said, I need a better explanation from you than what you've given here. Oh lord this is hilarious. Grasping for towncred in preparation for the flip. I'm still pretty confident I'm not going down today but I'm not going to be back for a few hours. If you guys decide to jump the gun and lynch me so be it, but just remember I was the principle guy who caught scumBH.
All these points can be interpreted this way:
WoS knows BH is town, and is not bringing up the motivation or creativity to push bullshit cases on him (or any other townie for that matter), which is a talent you need as scum to not look like you're just skating by and pushing mislynches.
It would be WoS first scum game, so it makes sense from that perspective. He's playing like a noob scum. Starts with posting some BS in the thread, posts mafia gifs, talks about a town miller calling for a vig, even softclaims scum, all this trolly stuff during N0, and now that D1 is here and the scumhunting gots realz, he keeps the waffling up and doesn't look for scum like one would be used from his town counterpart.
BH comes up with a supertunnel of justice after WoS buddied him in a post reasoning about how kita and DP were such awesome targets for scum (!), and he replies with this:
On May 13 2013 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for my activity, lack of analysis, shit that makes you giggle...whatever.
I'm not getting NKed or mislynched this game, same as every game. You'll know for sure I'm town when I get down to it but until then you're welcome to do as you please.
In all this time WoS is not getting down to being town, it's D1 and he openly admits he's not playing like town, here, in this post. That's cause he doesn't care about solving the game, he already got the solution, and he's aware that he's playing like ass, but he announces that he's going to try to look town at some point later in the game. That shouldn't even be necessary during D1, hunting season started already for zealous townies.
AND, this post was written in reply to Oats voting for him, the same post which WoS found scummy, and yet the post that looks like nonsense to WoS and was reason to vote for Oats is a trigger for him to write such a weakly defensive post.
Only scum would be insecure enough to write defenses to what they call bullshit posts.
Vote scum, vote this waffle
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EBWOP: to not look like you're just skating by and to push mislynches.
And the defensive post was in reply to Oats, not to BH
Reread before post ftw
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DP said he should be vigged? Nevermind the first point then.
As for him responding to Prom, that also takes away the point arguing that it was an unusual response to your (Oats) vote.
I'll recap what Prom said about him:
1) He said "I'm never scum lols" when kita called him scum for no reason.
not said by Prom) Said hi at the beginning of the game and stopped posting until kita called him scum
2) WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like.
3) In reply to WoS saying he's on the same wavelength as BH:
If you are town there is exactly one thing to make of this. Stating it like this is much more of a 'look I'm townie too' gesture than a 'interesting we agree on everything, I find you town' post should be. WoS doesn't even develop a read on BH, as town your goal should be to discern everyone's alignment but he is not trying to read bh, just telling him that they share thoughts.
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There's one thing missing though:
@ Prom
Why do you say that WoS had a reason to shoot DP?
I would also like to point out OO's huge drop of activity. Maybe he's really the reason for DP's death.
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The loaded questions SlOosh mentions are strong points in favor of scumRayn.
I want to make clear where I stand cause it might confuse some people:
I would still lynch prplhz, and Rayn at a later date to see if he gives me strong reasons to believe he's town.
But since BH said he's so super confident on WoS, yesterday I decided it would be a good idea to sheep him, so I placed my vote even while not having a conclusive opinion on WoS at the time just cause BH said 10.
Waking up today I started working for that WoS lynch and read through, he plays like he doesn't really give a fuck about finding out who's mafia (thus playing like mafia) and is very susceptible to people calling him out in any way (mafia), he tries to shake off his attackers, who became his scumreads at the same time, but doesn't really try to persuade others about it in the process (mafia), it rather looks like he tries to persuade his attackers that he's town and they're mafia or something along that.
A scumWoS is compatible with the idea of a scumrayn and a scumprplhz, but not with a scumOats so that should answer s & b's question about what I think about Oats.
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On May 14 2013 18:22 prplhz wrote:
Hey Vivax why am I scum?
Good to see you're available for some conversation.
I wrote the reasons already, just read my filter.
I would also like if you gave a good summary of what's on your mind currently, read-wise.
You mentioned Hiro, no reasoning.
You said SlOosh sucks, no idea what you wanted.
You abruptly stopped contributing after your early questions.
You don't look like you want to win this game, but sure made it look like it very early in the game.
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