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On May 17 2013 09:25 kushm4sta wrote: I will vote VE.
But in regards to WoS, people need to realize he spams as scum. So spamming doesn't make him town.
##vote VE I've never been scum you derp.
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As for the VE wagon that's cropping up, I've never liked jumping on a wagon right as it starts so I'm reserving judgment. VE is definitely not being...himself...this game. I have something that hasn't failed me on VE either and I feel like it's the same thing as kush doesn't want to say. I wouldn't use that as my only metric regarding him but it hasn't been wrong yet.
Anyway I'm off to see Star Trek but I might be around later tonight or I might not. I still have quite a few people to look into so it may have to wait until tomorrow. I'll add VE to the list though.
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On May 17 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote: Please hide more information while you refuse to vote for scum. Please. It's helping me decide which of you or BH is scum. Stop being so helpful. Stop it. Stop. Oh wait. Is BH on your computer?
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As far as refusing to vote, I have learned to be very wary of a quick-forming lynch wagon. We have a whole other day to get him lynched; there is absolutely no hurry whatsoever and I'd rather make an informed decision right now than sheep blindly.
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Aaaaaand now it's a mini with probably a fuckton of scum. Ugh. Continuing to catch up, but going to bed soon. Reads tomorrow.
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Ok. Yeah agree with the kush thing BH said; I don't know him enough to know if meta case is good though because I've only played (am still playing?) one game with him. We're less than 24 hours from lynch though now and honestly I'd be wary of introducing more targets again since there seem to be quite a few people who cba to play the game much. Some of them are gone now, but there are still lurkers.
At first glance I like VE's Hiro case and he brought up something I remember thinking of when Hiro posted his OO case but again, want to do a full read of some filters before coming up with anything myself. IF in my promised read into Prom/BH I find something that I'd like to push I will not be attempting to take over the more popular lynch targets of the day for fear of another no-lynch. Is there anything that anyone wants from me before I go to bed that doesn't require a lot of time?
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The Hiro case threw me because it looks good but I was leaning scum on him. I didn't like his pressure on you or the way he went about it earlier, and of course there's the VE activity factor (lazy = scum?). Also the sprscrt tell that still hasn't popped up. No vote yet, as I've said because I don't like voting people without reading into them first, and I'm not sure when comparing his recent activity to his earlier stuff what I'll find.
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ohai guise. Alright first things first: BH is your vote pn prplhz really productive? I agree that while his case on kush makes sense, it's stupid to try and deal with him normally because kush is just fucking kush. Are you somehow sure that prplhz is scum trying to push an easy mislynch on lynchbait or something just because he didn't follow your earlier directives on a kush case? I'd also be concerned because he is clearly trying to push a new wagon with 12h to go adding risk to another no-lynch I suppose....
VE: totes town. Alright maybe not totes but leaning towards such at the moment so I'm not voting him. Part 2 of his Hiro case is intriguing (Oats makes a point, why can't Hiro and I both be scum?). Prom I'm sorry for this because self-boner time, but whenever someone agrees with my conspiracy theories that people are out to frame me it worries me, because most of the time it's people like Prom telling me not to be a dumbass (even though I have been right multiple times). I'm just getting this out there because overall I'm going to trust VE that he's using his brain on this.
Going to look into my promised reads on Hiro/Prom/BH now. Will vote once I'm finished. Once again, no one seems to suspect Oats enough to vote him aside from me, so ##Unvote
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Prom: Early suspicion on me based on meta. Seems to be an expert in meta reading and says I'm more confrontational than he's seen me (which is probably true) though I would argue that I was most confrontational well after this accusation was seemingly left behind. He says he's read my games--- I'd say I was pretty damn confrontational in [REDACTED] but again I guess that's all subjective. Can't really call this reaching, though I wonder about this:
On May 13 2013 05:35 Promethelax wrote: WoS, that is dumb and you know it. Past statistics have nothing to do with this game. Why respond to that accusation which has no content or reasoning?
Kita: why WoS? The 'past statistics' thing is something I do commonly, sort of as something to minimally back up what I'm saying. I explained it to Oats earlier regarding the 'Vivax being good at blue' thing. I suppose when I use it regarding myself I expect people to be able to see what I see in my play which doesn't make much sense but whatever. Seems a really easy point to bring up against me; it's done early game and if Prom's suspicion is genuine then I can't fault him for it I suppose.
I still don't agree with his Oats=town reasoning as he basically takes the vig DP kill assumption and goes from there. Oh wait a minute...we lost our vig already (I suppose it's possible for there to be another? I don't know balance) and it was likely that Vayne was the one shot. I suppose that doesn't mean anything for Oats' assumption at that point in the game but I need to keep that in mind when looking at Oats in the future. Prom when/if you read this I suggest you do, too because you said yourself he had been playing scummy.
On May 15 2013 00:30 Promethelax wrote: Yeah WoS was made out of town in that game. I think though that the dissonance we're seeing comes from no longer being a newbie. When you think of yourself as bad and offer yourself up to die its one thing but WoS has been around long enough to get an ego about mafia. We all do eventually. That ego explains a lot...
I don't see WoS being scum based on that. Actually its a point more towards the town side of things as I can understand his play if I assume he has gained the ego of bh in the last few months. If WoS is being an egotistical maniac his angry play makes a lot of sense. Look at recent Yamato rage or something similar. This is starting to read as the reaction of someone who thinks they are better than those accusing them simply because those people are accusing them.
WoS you hostile little fuck, I think you might be town. Work with me if you are so that I can be sure of that. Stop fighting for the sake of fighting and look for scum. If you think Oats is scum convince me. Or if its someone else convince me. Your reads are scary good bro. Like...actually. A read like this though is probably easier to come up with from a scum perspective, though since you already know I'm town and can work from there, so it's basically, do I believe you're hella smart, or scum? Honestly....probably going with hella smart. I've seen your scum game and it wasn't anything like this.
Conclusion: Town
Questions: Prom updated thoughts on OO/Oats? You seem to flip-flop back and forth a lot on them in your filter and can't make up your mind.
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On May 17 2013 23:04 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Shiro is literally just following along with town sentiment. He hasn't done ANYTHING today - literally nothing but vote. But something about it. Like look at this post: On May 16 2013 13:40 shirokami wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: How the fuck does this make any sense at all? Is this an association tell based on me as well? The fact that Vivax afked the latter half of yesterday and left his vote on me is enough for you because BH changed it, even though BH was the main and aggressive proponent of my lynch all yesterday?
Fuck this is stupid. I just lost my hope on BH and vivax seems like a good guy, and I also want to see you hang buddy. Im like a the tramp dog from dat disney movie, on monday I eat at this italian who gives me pizza, next day I eat at donnie's who gives me some chicken. Im not a genius, I dont make posts that are hard to read because they are too long and full of emotional or useless bullshit, I dont say someone is scum because of his meta. I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is. BUT I will tell my OWN opinion when I seem it is necessary. but now, it is N1 and thx to some stupid people there were no-lynch. The NK will tell us something, And If I have an opinion about it, I will post it. My filter is short, and rayn and vivax can already tell that im town based on it, do you know why? IT IS EASY TO READ. Would scum SAY THIS? Like, let's remove all variables from the equation - don't factor in that he has a team - don't factor in that he's a "newbie" - just think of this from a scum-aligned standpoint. Can you think of a reason to EVER just come out and say "I just like to agree with the towniest guy there is." UGH but his filter is SOOOOO BAD. ##Summon: Promethelax ##Summon: Blazinghand ##Summon: slOoshYou three. You three will immediately give me your opinion of shirokami. You will do this thing or you will NEVER regain your honor! Based on the observation I just made, I think town. I think new town in over his head. But I want backup on this one. Your assessment matches mine. ## unvote I'm liking the Play from VE today and hiro scum slipped. Points to the first person to find it. ##vote: hiropro ooooo I wanna find it! I'll do my BH read after, first i'ma do Hiro.
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Hiro: Lays down weak suspicion on OO and absolutely ZERO followup to it whatsoever. A bunch of questions that go absolutely nowhere.
On May 15 2013 09:43 HiroPro wrote: I don't see a lynch happening today and I won't be voting for either wave or vayne. might be around later to see if something changes. I am aware this isn't a scumslip but why was he the only one who figured this was going to happen wayyy in advance? Honestly I think the reason he knew is because he knew the two people who were going to be modkilled were town so scum had control over the votes that day. (Alternative the no-lynch could be an attempt to frame him but that's a HUGE stretch imo)
On May 17 2013 09:00 HiroPro wrote: to be honest, this game is kind of silly. i still haven't gone through viscera's posts but we literally cannot win (since we won't be able to get lynches) unless one of chaoser/bill/sinani is mafia. Again, look at that. Moving on....
The most effort Hiro has put into the game thus far is a defense of himself. Not great.
Thros suspicion on VIvax which I somewhat agreed with earlier but Vivax clearly had ulterior motives as shown by the fact that he didn't flat-out kill me. And then of course the fact that he flipped town makes Hiro look worse. Again, frame attempt or just scum being outed? I lean towards the second; Hiro just hasn't put in enough effort to push for any lynches at all.
On May 17 2013 09:31 HiroPro wrote: w/e, i'll just hope for some luck in that regard.
Voting for Viscera because:
- the early WaveOfShadow vote looks artificial ("Abnormally high ratio of gif/pics"), this has nothing to do with alignment - he constantly emphasizes early on that Obvious is lurky and lacks skill as mafia and then somehow reaches the conclusion that it's entirely possible for obvious to be a good mafia player. - The assertion that the townie thing for obvious to do was to self-vote and suicide is complete nonsense and seems made up.
##Vote VisceraEyes These reasons to vote VE just seem terrible to me. I'm not seing a scumslip but I feel like it's in here somewhere and I don't think I can go more in depth than this right now. Either way I'm pretty sure I'd be comfortable voting Hiro today, but ideally I'd like for him to come back and do something just to see first. I also want to read into BH before I vote (not that I really would want to push BH today because it's just going to start another shitstorm with him and distract the thread).
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EBWOP: three people that were going to be modkilled
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I want to be a part of this lynch but I haven't had time to read BH yet like I promised so I'm still waiting. (I also really like hammering.)
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On May 18 2013 05:32 HiroPro wrote: I think BH is mafia for 2 reasons: the first being that he has avoided any discussion of the major lynches of today and the second being that he seems very willing to overblow minor issues.
If you look at day 2, what have been the major lynches of the day? The first is the push onto VisceraEyes and the second is the lynch attempt on me. Almost every player has either made a vote onto one of these lynches or voiced their opinions about the two of us. Blazinghand though has been active during this time period, has been asked numerous times to comment on what he thinks of me, yet hasn't made a single comment on whether VisceraEyes or myself are mafia/town. I can't think of a single town reason to avoid this issue, yet I can think of several reasons that a mafia player might do this: he doesn't want to offer up opinions because he's afraid of being wrong or defending a teammate, he would rather see another no-lynch as people are unable to consolidate, he's waiting to see which person will be lynched and then jump on at the last second.
My next problem with Blazinghand is that he seems willing to ignore the major events that occur around him and instead focuses on relatively minor things. Discarding the "10/10" WaveOfShadow lynch for ObviousOne because he martyred and then later indicated that he was willing to live is a small example. The bigger one though is what has happened today between himself and prplhz. Depending on what the KP formula is, we're looking at a MYLO/LYLO situation here. Every town player should be trying to find the best possible lynch. Yet Blazinghand has seemingly decided to go after prplhz on psuedo-policy reasons. This comment in particular seems completely off: "Show me where he does this as scum OR tell me you have a red check on him OR tell me this is a policy lynch." Why on earth would prplhz saying that he's policy lynching kushm4sta make it an acceptable push when BH apparently feels that no case on kushm4sta is acceptable without showing that he does that behavior as mafia? This isn't day 1, we're not in a situation where policy lynches are feasible or good, so why would Blazinghand be ok with that as town? The simple answer is that Blazinghand has an easy reason to vote for someone as mafia. This isn't even considering the fact that declaring that someone can only be lynched if you can prove that they've done this exact same thing as mafia before is a completely ludicrous statement.
I think BH has the best chance of flipping mafia today, so everyone should vote for him.
##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand I could see this as scum-in-the-death-throes WIFOM bomb. I'm not a fan of pre-flip associations but I don't see anything in here than precludes both Hiro and BH from being scum together. Whatever still not voting BH today. I will get to him.
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On May 18 2013 05:54 Blazinghand wrote: for the record hiropro is a hideously bad lynch. he's not scum just a bad player. prplhz' is making this shit case against kush and opting out of the discussion and yall are just letting it slide for some reason. vote prplhz Wat. BH are you just trying to fuck with the whole thread all game? Because if so tell me that's not your scumplay.
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Probably won't be around until later tonight so just in case hammer was gonna happen before that... ##vote: hiropro
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Just got back, reading...on page 74.....I'm afraid in the next fucking 6 pages to see what I'll find
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Finally I can actually talk. Ugh I hate that all the activity goes down when I can't fucking be around. VE WHAT THE FUCK with that BH speedwagon. I would have been pissed as hell if he flipped red and I wasn't a part of it. Hell if I was around I may have hammered him when he was sitting at L-1; I'm not sure. But who the fuck pushes a wagon the way you did, even if it IS scumBH? Ugh. Still have to read into him but if he turns up scum to me I am tunneling the fuck out of him tomorrow.
I can't say for certain if I would have removed my vote on Hiro to prevent the mislynch because he still looked scummy to me and not a great deal of new info popped up regarding him in the time I was gone.
Mostly I want to hear from VE and Sloosh regarding how and why the last 8 or so hours went down the way they did.
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On May 19 2013 05:49 kushm4sta wrote: quadruple post for mafia justice. read his filter its only 2 pages there are myriad reasons why the man is scum..
1 robotic overuse of misapplied meta in his arguments
2 constantly talking about past games instead of this game
3 vayne tunneling him, sure he's scum. then vayne dies
4 his top scumread is hiro d1. Nothing he says ever indicates that that changes. Yet on d2 he makes this random ass out of the blue case on me to distance himself from the hiro mislynch. If you are town and your top scumread has a huge bandwagon, why wouldn't you help push that wagon instead of introducing some lynch that's never going to happen.
5 his longest post in the game is about me. If you think I'm scummy, fine, but my content was so paltry at that time that a wall of text to analyze it is going way overboard. Holy shit kush, this may be the most effort I've ever seen from you in.....ever.
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