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On April 13 2013 08:05 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Well anyway Vivax, was that a complete joke, or do you have a semblance of a town-read on marv? Too early to tell for me, but I'm curious to hear your own thoughts. Complete joke. | ||
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It's much more than that. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:18 FondleMyButtocks wrote: wait theres only one of you? + Show Spoiler + I'm off to work. I'll not just post in quotes when I get back. I can't way much about anything but asskicking with these You are a very funny man | ||
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This is the serious bar. Everything under this bar is serious business. I want Raynmaster to get in here. ##Vote Raynmaster | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:28 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I know I give you a hardon, but srsly get in the game. ? how do you get in a game that has barely started yet except for the derp phase? what do you want him to do? say whose jokes are scummiest? | ||
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##Vote MockArmor Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:40 ShotgunBiceps wrote: How so? And who is it that I'm talking to? like I said I'm not gonna sign but lack of capitalization is a pretty good indicator that its the kush head. VEs play always reels of anti town. notorious sheeper, disrupter, drama whore, etc | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote: COMPLETELY disagree, I think you're 1000% wrong. And the line of suspicion is that you've been suspicious, Hapa. Should be pretty fucking obvious. On April 13 2013 08:45 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Bish, I'm the drama whore. Town VE looks towny as fuck regardless. You wrong bro. On April 13 2013 08:48 InsertSmurfHere wrote: You know damn well town VE could make a post like that, Hapa, and you "voting" for lynching him for being "anti-discussion" or whatever is pathetic and scummy. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:03 FiveTouch wrote: As far as I can see, he isn't defending me because he thinks I'm town, he's defending me because Hapa's reasoning is shitty. Calling out shitty logic isn't alignment indicative, and says nothing about what he thinks I am. For the record. If you're town, shouldn't you find it suspicious that someone defends you, an influential player, this early in the game while being pressured, maybe even for poor reasons, by someone else? I don't understand why ISH denies that he was defending you, he basically had to given that he's attacking Hapa for his arguments against you. That answer reads scared to me. | ||
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Hapa attacks VE cause he thinks he said anti-town stuff, yamato attacks Hapa cause he says it's not anti-town from VE. → not-so-good reasons from both sides. But Hapa's argument could fit into a policy against anti-town play, yamato's possible motives for defending VE and keeping up the comfy tunnel..I find scummy. All I saw of relevance was Yamato defending FT and then denying that he's defending him, coupled with an early tunnel and excessive aggression. | ||
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I don't see how the stuff i wrote was "pointless and summarizing", my opinion is very clear in those posts. Summarizing means there's no interpretation in what you write, just recaps, but there's enough interpretation in my posts. Your and yamato's arguments: Not good. Your arguments against VE: Bad, not scummy. Yamato's actions: Possibly scum motivated. But I'll wait for more and especially for the non-posters to post. | ||
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I'm serious though you can't be on hapa that is a violation of the rules I think. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:16 Hapahauli wrote: Well I beat you to Kush (pretty sure vivax hasn't posted yet). He felt very uninvolved in the conversation and posting out of obligation rather than anything. Are you reading this game wtf.... obviously we have both talked and there are huge differences between how we talk. -kush | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Yeah I wasn't reading very carefully whilst responding to like 4 people at once. Anyway yes you're both on, however that does reveal how little you've posted thusfar. All I see in your filter read-wise is calling VE a drama whore and soft-pushing suspicion on Yamato. ![]() -Vivax | ||
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Voluntarily or not, that's still to determine. All I see is VE saying that he's about to go away for a jokish reason, but then being there anyway. How does that post imply that he wants to stop discussion? Is he asking you to stop talking with others? | ||
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Hapa picks VE to push. Yamato picks Hapa to push. Hapa used bad argument against VE. Yamato uses that argument back against Hapa, but it wasn't the original reason for suspecting him (+ other stuff said about yam). Hapa either defended his bad argument cause he's scared of giving in to yamato and looking scummy, or he believed truly into his argument and only realized it was bad when both him and yamato started to get out of their tunnels. Either way, I think yamato's push might or might not have been genuine, but same goes for Hapa. What I dislike about Hapa is that he went over to attacking my play for reasons I dislike, but I might be biased here. We should wait for everyone to post before falling into tunneling, we don't even know if scum posted yet. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now. VE going watch the grass grow isn't detracting of discussion or not-trolly either. Is watching the grass grow a legit hobby where you come from? | ||
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You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Who me? I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake *shrug* As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it. Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image. I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you. And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing. You deserved that middle finger. First you called my posts summarizing, then I argued why they weren't, then you ignored it and put something else on top. I know when I'm arguing against people who don't want to listen, for whatever reason. | ||
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On April 13 2013 19:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: This feels a bit off. Why do you say that? It doesn't seem to indicate a mindset of a town hydra. When you know someone's alignment this kind of thought isn't very likely to cross your mind, unless it's a more defensive response, indicative of guilt. What about vivax's posts did you find suspicious, even knowing his alignment? Don't worry, I'm already taking care of that in the hydra qt+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea. JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra. So I wan't to lynch into these guys Fivetouch (maybe) MockArmor (Goodkarma/Mocsta) Came in the thread, not talking about any of the important stuff. Happy to remain behind the scenes. FondleMyButtocks (Promethelax/phagga) joking then lurking Raynmaster (Oatsmaster/Raynpelikoneet) no content so far WaveofCheesecake (WaveOfShadow + Mr.Cheesecake) joking then lurking pretty heavily. He has tried to contribute since then but nothing he has said inspires a town read. NeutralSrvivngBalrog (Drazerk/Strongandbig) total lurker -kush | ||
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Review of WoC, NSB and FMB pending. Waiting for Oats + Rayn to post, Oats is kinda active as town, I think. ##Unvote -Vivax | ||
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It's very hypothetical but I can also see where he comes from with that explanation. | ||
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He won't commit because he's scum Interesting, do you think I'm not committed? If I suddenly called yamato town at that point, or Raynmaster, do you think that you wouldn't remind me of what I said earlier about them? I am committed with all judgements I gave out, I'm just not sitting in a tunnel against someone, which is what you're accusing me of not doing. | ||
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Other stuff about you: Nuke policy talk A post about Dan's hosting being unacceptable This pretty bad case Here, I'll commit. ##Unvote ##Vote FondleMyButtocks | ||
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whose idea is it to claim nukes? this is dumb because scum won't claim and they will wait until the defense guy is dead. everyone nuking themselves is a good idea that no one has talked about yet for some reason. The only issue with it is that it won't work if scum can undo their in thread nuke with a pm to the host. _ Today I will try to get scumreads and narrow down who I want to lynch. Vivax and I don't agree on anything though, lol. kush | ||
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I don't know why you expect me to have an original thought about something so straightforward. I thought he was conf town as soon as dandel did it and that hydra said lol I'm conf town now. | ||
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On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Then why are you talking? | ||
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On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me? You should ask cheesecake. | ||
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but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. | ||
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If I were you guys I would prob want to lynch vivax because I don't know his meta at all and how he is playing looks scummy to me. | ||
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On April 14 2013 09:48 kushm4sta wrote: So VE claimed that he only voted JM and pretended to think JM was scummy in order to pressure Palmar into being more active. I am having trouble believing that. fivetouch On April 14 2013 09:51 kushm4sta wrote: mostly because of how futile the move was obviously going to be -kushbtw On April 14 2013 10:58 kushm4sta wrote: k WaveOfCock I want you more dead than ever right now. 1 you act like the only thing you can do is 1v1 with MA. If you were town you would realize the uncertainty to your reads and that there is more than one scum. 2 shitting up the thread is as much MA's fault as yours, you say. No it's not, because MA kept trying to stop it and you just kept going. Also you realize it is not constructive, yet you say it is your only course of action. 3 Do i realize how scummy it sounds? No because I dont think about the apparent scumminess of my actions. It's called being town. | ||
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Fmb and rayn are scum, you heard it here first! Need to discuss with kush tho. -v | ||
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shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch. I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC | ||
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Again and again he calls people out for doing what he deems as stupid, even tho he thinks they are town. that is his excuse for activity. many posts like this: On April 15 2013 00:14 raynmaster wrote: I really really dislike Mocsta's attitude towards cooperation and 'words'. But this feels like Town Mocsta unfortunately, I would like to lynch scum mocsta acting like this but meh. (180 DOODS. actually no, so fuck off) He continues to misunderstand stuff and generally get all up in someone's face, yeah town mocsta. | ||
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Possibly didn't read everything , checking back in tomorrow and leaving stuff to kush. -Vivax | ||
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d1 what can you do. Rayn is an actual scumread but he's not getting lynched so FMB and Balrog are lurkers so they can be lynched too. Balrog is more lurkery of the two, fmb is more scummy of the two. And I changed my mind about WoC. Yesterday he seemed scummy how he couldn't do anything but shit it up with MA, but after actually reading through his filter he didn't seem as bad. kush | ||
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gogo rayne wagon? what is wrong with it? all I heard is marv say he feels town. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: @vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options? I really don't know about FMB. He's not someone I have a solid read on. I was willing to sheep him if no one wanted to kill rayne, but the way the votes are falling he looks less and less like scum. | ||
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Why is WoC town? Last couple posts in his filter show town mindset of trying to figure shit out. Also he puts A LOT of effort into metaing. | ||
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scum's not gonna make a post this long d1 On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing. And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it. Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't. In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way. Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.) Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around. The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot. Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry. NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff. This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty. Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times. | ||
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you cant read me for shit love kush | ||
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And what is the secret town tell on me?? I dont even know | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one. Not a bad plan and I wouldn't expect mafia to come up with something like this. | ||
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On April 14 2013 13:40 VIVAX420 wrote: I think both mockarmor and woc are town, from skimming. Please look into each other critically. Fmb and rayn are scum, you heard it here first! Need to discuss with kush tho. -v Taking swag away from DP cause I'm jelly. But tbh I can't remember asking for qts to be posted. Where did you see it? Maybe it was kush. | ||
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I thought that you couldn't undo thread nukes with pm, but his excuse that he just didn't know you could pm nukes is not likely. Not giving a shit is a huge scumtell for sandroba. He hates playing scum. in fact I don't think sandroba has been in the thread once. marv why are you even talking about saving him? not gonna happen nor should it. kush | ||
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On April 15 2013 21:46 FiveTouch wrote: P.S. why don't you want to kill me this game? Is it because I'm with VE? heh. town read unfortunately. The last scum is between FMB and NSB I think. | ||
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ATTENTION TOWN this is the plan. We get everyone with a nuke to claim that they have it. "Why would we do that?" I hear you ask. We would do it to ensure that scum with a nuke (which based on the balance for this game is almost assured to exist) must claim it today if he wants to use it. On top of that NO ONE SHOULD FIRE A NUKE EVER! we have three mislynches in this set-up and I'm confident in our powers of intuition. Our scum hunting AS A UNIT is good enough to catch all the scum. We don't want any single player being a fool and ruining this town with their power role and we want to force all scum to not use their kp powers. So, in conclusion we should 1) force everyone with a nuke to claim and 2) policy lynch anyone who uses a nuke /QUOTE] Hm | ||
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The nuke is prolly on the right way. Shotgun Biceps and WoC next candidates for scrutiny. | ||
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On April 16 2013 01:10 InsertSmurfHere wrote: According to Yamato, Kush is a massive troll and only ever busses as scum. So if he calls someone mafia that flips town, he's probably town. As odd as it sounds, the fact that Kush didn't like Rayn bothers me. I'll reread again later. WHAT A DOUCHE | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:16 ShotgunBiceps wrote: There are tons of confirmed townies. Anyone could get shot really. SB can you list the confirmed townies pls Marv you have townread on SB? | ||
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also hapa lol. your metaread is so one dimensional. kush | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: VE - I didn't tell you anything. I don't necessarily think he's scum---this is another one of those cases where CC and I have a lot of talking to do about it so I don't have anything to say about it yet; and any mention of it is likely going to make you guys shit up the thread like when you were arguing with DP. Hapa/jampi - Kush first looked as though he wanted to lynch me (along with Vivax) before switching to Rayn. I don't see the point in admitting the fact that that once he read our filter at the time he figured we were town since he then goes on to say he'd lynch basically anyone else that day. He can't be both scum and bussing his teammates and scum protecting townreads for cred---pick one and go with it. Also if he were scum and bussing teammates sine he pushed me first before calling me towny would you then assume I was scum too? First wanted to lynch FMB actually, then gave you and Mockarmor a townread actually, along with saying that I had Rayn as scum. Only been suspecting you lately although I'm not entirely sure why, JM thinks you're town and you seem to disregard me as lynch choice for tomorrow when it would serve your own survival (although it's basically just Shotgun pushing me), so that gives you some townie points. Kush just kushed and is gonna kush what he pleases, our early reads were quite different but are getting similar now. Shotgun, FT and NSB are those I'll be looking at closely. Not so much to look at with SNB looks like he's just going to martyr at this stage already, I'm not buying that behaviour from a town perspective so that makes him look scummier imo. Would expect scum to be demoralized after that lynch, and he can't try too hard anyway all of sudden cause it would look too inconsistent with his lurky and kinda useless D1 play, and I don't believe he would act all emo as town when we just got a scum lynched. Likely scum. -V | ||
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Will post reasons when I feel arsed to, maybe I don't even have to if town doesn't need me to dig up information to find the scum. | ||
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Well stop pushing us then, you're wasting our energy, we are town. | ||
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