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On April 13 2013 08:00 VIVAX420 wrote: Marv is town, VE not so sure. That was a quick pronouncement... Why you think that? Why you reading them differently when they're one head? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:03 ShotgunBiceps wrote: God geript is so town. Always bish | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:10 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: it is a thing that i have always wondered wave of cheesecake that is what it is Why sit on the sidelines? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:20 ShotgunBiceps wrote: I never buddy marv. Not sure why. He's a meanie. I distinctly remember a scum Hapa buddying the fuck out of a town Marv in Duel Mini. >_> | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:20 ShotgunBiceps wrote: So why do you not accept my love Yamato? Geript was much cooler than you =( Because you might be mafia! In that case, it's my job to make sure you die a horrible, disfiguring death. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:23 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Well played CC. Well played. But I'm town =( We'll see about that. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here: FondleMyButtocks ShotgunBiceps FiveTouch InsertSmurfHere I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I know I give you a hardon, but srsly get in the game. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FiveTouch Anti-discussion. No townie should care about a boring conversation in the first hour of the game. The entire point of this comment is to troll, detract, and create a negative atmosphere than anything else. Do you always answer your partners questions? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:36 FiveTouch wrote: I'm gonna keep a running count of questions you ask without context. You're up to 5. VE, this is retarded. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:38 FiveTouch wrote: This is more like it. When you ask questions without saying "....BECAUSE XYZ" it looks scummy as fuck and stinks of trying to appear active. I don't care what you think is retarded BTDUBZ. I'm clearly following a line of suspicion on Hapa, bro. Don't get too wound up over questions that I/geript ask. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:42 ShotgunBiceps wrote: What do you think about VE Yamato? Agree or disagree with what I brought up? Also what is this "line of suspicion" or whatever you're following on me? COMPLETELY disagree, I think you're 1000% wrong. And the line of suspicion is that you've been suspicious, Hapa. Should be pretty fucking obvious. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:43 VIVAX420 wrote: like I said I'm not gonna sign but lack of capitalization is a pretty good indicator that its the kush head. VEs play always reels of anti town. notorious sheeper, disrupter, drama whore, etc Bish, I'm the drama whore. Town VE looks towny as fuck regardless. You wrong bro. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:50 ShotgunBiceps wrote: I think it's very scummy. Scum try to shut down discussion like that all the time. When I used to bring up policy talk in my opening-games, I remember scum responding like that all the time. "lol this talk is stupid i'll be back when we begin to play" is something I've seen time and time again from scum. Most recently in the game I just hosted (Mr.CC shutting down discussion on Day 1 with negative comments). Is VE 100% scum? Of course not. I can't make an accurate read 30 minutes into day 1. But you better be damn sure that if I find something worth pursuing early on, I'm going to pursue it until the issue is a dead carcass on the side of the road and I find the truth of the matter. You're completely missing the POINT. TOWN VE could make a post like that, and YOU fucking know better, yet you insist that it's alignment indicative. WTF. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:52 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Town VE could make a post like that for sure. HOWEVER I find it more likely that scum-VE did it. Stop being a dumbass Yamato. Lol, whatever. That's bullshit. | ||
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1. Your favorite color 2. Your age when you first kissed a girl 3. Why you think that comment was shutting down discussion | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:55 VIVAX420 wrote: ISH what makes you so sure that VE is town that you go as far as to defend him at this stage of the game? Not defending him, Hapa looks odd. Why you not actually pressuring anyone? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:55 VIVAX420 wrote: ISH what makes you so sure that VE is town that you go as far as to defend him at this stage of the game? I'm not so sure VE is town, but I am sure Hapa is scum. Case inc. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:57 ShotgunBiceps wrote: You keep singing the songs of "BS" but refuse to explain why that quote isn't scummy. Even if you don't believe agree with me, why do you care I'm pursuing this? Hell we're going to get information out of VE from this, which both of us should value at this point. Unless you think he's town. If so, inb4 scum-Yamato's meta-case on VE. NOPE, TIME TO LYNCH HAPA On April 13 2013 07:41 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Yamato, would you like to form a voting-bloc of awesomeness? Why is one of Hapa's first thoughts of the game to buddy me with this "voting bloc' thing? Totally weird, and not what I expected to see. Seems like he just wants to be "friends" with my hydra, when it's far too early for him to have a read like he seems. Read: On April 13 2013 07:47 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Boooooo nodeal jk ##Unvote ##Vote Balrog So are you interested in a voting bloc? On April 13 2013 08:03 ShotgunBiceps wrote: God geript is so town. Why is he trying so hard? What could a town player hope to gain from this? Makes very little sense to me, except that he simply wants to buddy me. Only it didn't work, and I told him so. So what does he do right after he realizes it isn't working? On April 13 2013 08:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FiveTouch Anti-discussion. No townie should care about a boring conversation in the first hour of the game. The entire point of this comment is to troll, detract, and create a negative atmosphere than anything else. Completely bullshit case on VE. WTF? Do people really think that the quote is alignment indicative at all? How could Hapa, who I know to be good at meta-analysis, come out saying that VE LOOKS LIKE SCUM BECAUSE HE TROLLS? Hapa is not this bad at town. #Unvote ##Vote: ShotgunBiceps | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:06 John Matrix wrote: Well you actually are defending him. Do you know what I find odd? I find it odd that VE would use being srs as an excuse for some out of character behavior and then proceed to be not srs ever since that point. Also we are mod confirmed town now apparently. YAY! -DP What the actual fuck, you better have some kind of proof of this. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:06 ShotgunBiceps wrote: I'm so evil =( But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy. It's even objectively scummy for VE. No, it's not. You fucking know better. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:08 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Says the guy who voted me because I'm "trying too hard" That is not my case. Lol, you scum Hapa. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:08 VIVAX420 wrote: If you're town, shouldn't you find it suspicious that someone defends you, an influential player, this early in the game while being pressured, maybe even for poor reasons, by someone else? I don't understand why ISH denies that he was defending you, he basically had to given that he's attacking Hapa for his arguments against you. That answer reads scared to me. I've called Hapa suspicious since before his case Read the damn thread. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:10 John Matrix wrote: Why don't you read the thread and see? I just did and when someone says they are going to be serious as an excuse and then proceed not to be serious don't you find that odd? - DP Yeah, but the problem is, HE'S BEING SERIOUS Like, you're second on my lynch list if Hapa is actually town. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:11 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Lol u town Yamato Though is your case something I should be taking seriously? I've been under the impression that you've been angry-trolling thusfar. Yeah, because I think you do know full-well that what you're pushing on VE is not alignment-indicative at all. But yet you keep saying it is. It's pretty much your job now to prove your point lest you die today. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:15 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Sigh. But no matter what I do, I can't take you seriously =( Anyway can we just be friends again? My Buddying invitation is re-extended =) I don't want to be friends with mafia. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:20 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Alright, well we can be friends when you emerge from your tunnel or whatever it is. Then you can fondle my buttocks with FondleMyButtocks But let's talk about VE a bit. You think he makes comments like that all the time, and I vehemently disagree. Granted I'm no VE meta-expert, but he's usually very pro-discussion in the early-game as town. And here I'm faced with this quote that is the exact opposite - calling everything boring and promising to watch paint dry. I think that goes quite against town-VE's mentality. Scum VE quite often is pro-town and not disruptive, when town VE makes random comments against thread sentiment all the fucking time. I am a VE meta-expert, I've played with scum VE many times. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:22 John Matrix wrote: He was also not serious after that point. Now I am not saying he can't joke around but I found it odd that he would say he was trying to be serious and then post something like this. W/E just found it odd. Now please discuss your threat of a vote to me? If you believe I was wrong does that make us scum? I find all this bluster ridiculous. Also we are confirmed town or something so i don't care. -DP Now I am not It does make you someone worth looking at if you're spouting pure lies, lol. Now show me some VE wuotes after that one where he's not being serious and I'll retract my threat to lynch you. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:40 John Matrix wrote: If you want to lynch me you are bad. Go away. -DP No, let's talk about this, because you're all on the sidelines snidely remarking about things while Hapa, Marv, VE and I are arguing this out. Defend your stance more explicitly, because I GUARANTEE that I can find a serious VE quote when you explicitly said he wasn't being serious. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:41 Hapahauli wrote: Flood Control is annoying and I can't reply as rapidly as I'd like to everyone. Just goign to post on my main account and quote-block everything to my filter What's the comparison to RTP? Also on the subject of meta, to what scum-games of mine does my behavior so far compare to? None, but I do know that you're more than capable of being aware of why I caught you as scum in Duel and how to play differently. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: Well the reason you caught me in Duel is because I can't play differently. I simply can't replicate my activity in my town games in my scum-games. If you think I'm capable of my current posting as scum, it's rather flattering, but unfortunately it's wrong. I do doubt that you're mafia, but I find the likelihood high. I genuinely don't think you're bad enough to make that case. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Yamato you around? I'm here. 'Sup? | ||
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because how you've reacted since me accusing you is more in line with what I expect from town Hapa than scum Hapa. ##Unvote I'll also be taking a break from the thread. Hopefully some other people I'm looking at make themselves more readable. | ||
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On April 13 2013 15:30 FiveTouch wrote: You just got suckered by his instantaneous "Yeah you town" when you cased him Yamato, get outta here. He's been grasping at this VE read all game. He immediately wants to back out of talking with me as soon as I fucking OWN his argument, and now he's bullshitting townreads instead of trying to find scum. Hapa is scum. You wanted to talk about DP. Talk. I've talked much. Respond. I agree, Hapa looks hilariously stupid right now for his bullshit case, but the way he's responded since the case is not how mafia Hapa responds, VE. You're a bit tunneled there, he's actually just trying to cement his read. I don't think he's trying to buddy me further by calling me town as my ridiculous aggression is probably how he views me as town. Besides, if he's mafia, I will know he's mafia at some point. Mafia Hapa gets demotivated and inactive at some point, unlike town Hapa. I agree on DP. I think he's sitting on the sidelines trying to fuel the argument that was going on without taking a stance. Notice the lack of a vote, notice the lack of any real attempt to justify his "suspicion" on you beyond "not being serious". Like you said, they're are also playing up the "fake nuke" deal like it makes them confirmed town, which is highly suspect and not at all true. I also think the Vivax hydra is town, for what it's worth. The way Vivax argues for me being possible scum seems likle how town Vivax usually argues; i.e. he looks at some sort of plausible explanation of scum motivation and ignores any evidence to the contrary. Your hydra, I think is town. You seem really town, while Marv seems like he's acting much like he was in the last hydra game, playing more as an observer than an active participant. The only thing I worry is that you are perfectly capable of seeming interested in the game, especially early. I don't think this means much, however, as in your last two scum games you have been especially demotivated and lurky early, so I feel like this is town VE as opposed to scum VE at the moment. That's about all I have on this game at this time. | ||
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I can understand how you think they're alignment indicative, though, jampi, but what you miss is that his actual arguments are arguments that town Vivax often makes; someone is scum because they did something ONE TIME that he perceives as possibly scummy, or that fits into a weak scum heuristic he holds dear, and then he runs with it. | ||
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On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote: My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar... For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing... As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.: But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense. ##FoS: Shotgun Let's ignore Hapa because I think he's actually town and then look at other people. DP/Palmar have posted more than some, why lump them in with people that haven't posted much? I want your read on them. | ||
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On April 13 2013 15:52 FiveTouch wrote: I don't like the "That's just..not what he does" argument. What DOES he do? When his fabricated bullshit case get's fucking trounced, how DOES mafia Hapa respond? But whatever, you're right I'm tunneled in after specifically trying to look at other people. Let's instead lynch Palmar/DP...because they're scum, but more importantly, I thoroughly enjoy making them angry. ##Unvote ##Vote: JohnMatrix Mafia Hapa makes bullshit cases and is ignorant of the general town discussion while town Hapa tries to be a town leader. That's about all you need to know about him, and if you think about it, him even TRYING to talk his way out of his read and justify it makes me think he's town, because I expect scum Hapa to just go AFK and stop posting. But yeah, let's kill Palmar/DP, because they're more obvious scum. ##Vote JohnMatrix | ||
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On April 13 2013 15:56 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Haven't read much any of Vivax's games, care to give me some examples where who does this? You can read his absurdly long filters in both Personality 2 and Mafia LIX to see town Vivax in full derp mode. Both those games are insanely long and spammy, so you may want to reserve some significant time to do so. | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:02 MockArmor wrote: I mean I get they haven't been useful, but what specific scum-motivated actions have they done? I don't see that in your case. Only scummy actions they could be doing as either alignment. That's a contradiction, sir. First and foremost, town DP is actually fucking active and has balls. | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:15 FiveTouch wrote: And I'm gonna go on the record and say I'm a little salty we didn't get more Prom tonight. BOLD STATEMENT | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:20 FiveTouch wrote: Yam your headphones came unplugged could you turn down the sarcasm? Earlier when I called you out for your "contextless questions" I was attributing his play to you. I wanted more out of Prom because his initial flurry of questions were focusless, led nowhere and did nothing. I'm suspicious of him and want him in the thread explaining his shit. That bold enough for you? It was a joke, bro. I agree, actually. | ||
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On April 13 2013 17:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: Palmar any thoughts on WaveOfCheesecake? Syllo asking this question is a town tell. Carry on. | ||
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I wouldn't mind your read on the VE/Marv head, since you should know quite a bit about them. | ||
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On April 13 2013 20:54 FondleMyButtocks wrote:My explanation to hapa when we were talking about it: "here is why: if a scum says shit in thread host assumes its a plan/trap/whatever if host confirms it as fake they know it is a joke because it comes from a townie" I really don't get this line of thinking whatsoever. You'd need to do a 'host meta' argument if you really want to start making this case and explain why artanis would or wouldn't do that. I also don't see why in thisi game where nukes are relevent that a host wouldn't try to inform as to actual and fake nukes alignment regardless. | ||
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I'm not getting your reasoing for why that makes him mod confirmed town. Because he made a joke of saying "Not an actual nuke" that makes him town. | ||
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On April 14 2013 07:06 geript wrote: I really hate this post for obvious reasons. WoS has been acting oddly in the least IMO; CC I don't know anything about. The "towniest of towny" quote preceding it seems odd considering much of the previous relevant discussion was regarding perceived Hapa scumminess, but includes 0 reasoning for said read. My issue with this post and the whole MA-WoC interaction is that it doesn't feel at all like WoC is trying to divine MA's alignment whatsoever. I don't feel like despite WoS thinking MA is scummy like he's doing anything to either glean information or wagon form. It just looks to me like he's trying to do things that appear to be townie but has no heart in it. <-not Yamato Qff | ||
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What the fuck is that giant summary post doing in my town? Goddamn I could lynch him JUST for that post. Why the fuck are Kush, GK/CC, and Mocsta shitting the thread up like it's their fucking job? So many questions, only one lynch to sort them out. | ||
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On April 14 2013 11:05 John Matrix wrote: It's extremely informative about my thought process in the early pages of the game, with detailed explanations on what is going on from my perspective. Sure, if you're a lazy fuck and don't want to read it then it's not useful, but I think I've made some good progress with that post. It's a fucking summary post, I am not impressed whatsoever. I could write that as scum a million times over. Vivax is also not a good scum read in my opinion. | ||
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On April 14 2013 11:20 John Matrix wrote: @Smurf: Would you agree with my three townreads? I'm much less invested in the scumreads as the point at which I am in close reading half the other candidates have hardly posted (cheesewave, sammy, mock, reynmaster etc) so they can just as well end below Vivax and/or balrog based on how I feel when I read on. But for now the important part of my game is to eliminate the players I don't want to lynch from the pool of people I'm considering lynching into. If you're sure Vivax is town, and DP seems pretty certain too, so maybe we should eliminate him too? That would leave me only 6 people to look at (cheesewave, sammy, mock, reynmaster, balrog, Buttocks) Do you think, having read more of the thread than me, anyone from that list deserves to be removed from the "potential lynch for today" list? I agree with the list in totality. Fair enough, since that's been what I'm doing I can't complain. | ||
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On April 14 2013 17:21 geript wrote: Yes, that was yamato <-- not yamato qfff | ||
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People I am not willing to lynch: FT/Shotgun/JM/SLJ/Vivax That leaves: Raynmaster/MockArmor/Balrog/FMB/WoC Mock is involved in the most idiotic arguing in the game and seems to want to perpetuate the fighting with both WoC and Rayn. I actually feel that out of the three actives in this group, they are the most likely to be mafia. WoC actually seems more townish throughout this whole ordeal, since I think they've made more of an effort to clarify their stance and actually make a case on Mock, even if the meta argument is weak. Rayn is a fucking tossup, and I'm not at all sure of their alignment. I would rather not lynch into them yet. Balrog is a lurker lynch that I'd rather avoid, but simply by process of elimination has to be mafia if I'm right about all my town reads. That said, it's probably better to lynch a more active person, as a rule of thumb. Prom's hydra looks pretty awful. They've done almost nothing today, and I know Prom as someone that likes to get into the thick of things. What they have done is also not what I call good scum hunting, so it's a decent tell that they are lazy scum. Out of this comes two choices for lynch. Next post I decide which of Mock and Fondle is the better lynch. | ||
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The Vivax town read is a meta read of Vivax coupled with Kush actually getting emotionally involved in one post at some point and showing his colors. I think we can kill the Buttocks. I'll talk with geript if he's here and see what he thinks, but I'm fine with that idea. | ||
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On April 15 2013 01:51 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: I just got home early and now have the job of reading through the thread. Not spoken to my other head yet but I'm sure he won't object to this (And even if he does its not like me and snb will ever agree on anything anyway ![]() ##Nuke: FiveTouch ERMAHGAWD!!!!LYNCHHIMIFITSREEL!!! | ||
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On April 15 2013 01:56 FiveTouch wrote: Are you mocking me? Why? What purpose does that serve? Moreso mocking Rayn for the weaksauce call out regarding the Palmar fake nuke. @Marv. Yamato seems to be more convinced that Hapa is town. I'm not there yet although I'm not sure I wholly get all of Yamato's reasons for suspecting him in the first place. Do you mind walking me through your whole suspicion of Biceps? | ||
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This is Yamato, by the way. I'll let you know when it's me since geript is also here. | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote: You couldn't, because I'm in the thread discussing things ^_^ From what I've seen so far, FMB, with trepidation. Not finished reading though. ~marv Okay, I'll be waiting. | ||
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So in re-evaluating, Syllo looks a lot worse. Observe: On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: Players who haven't by the time of lynch produced meaningful content despite being here and the game being a hydra game. In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting. WaveOfCheesecake's has a bunch of fluff, but also a few serious posts that don't give me the impression of a curious townie. His read on you somewhat point towards the other way though regardless of your alignment. Perhaps this doesn't quite apply to Syllo himself since sandro is apparently AFK, but up to this point, syllo's contributions to the thread, while appearing reasonable, were fairly irrelevant. For reference: On April 13 2013 16:34 SamuelLJackson wrote: Because most* hosts are terrible** and only make jokes and interact with players who are town. This literally happens every game. *everyone except you **no offense intended This post has some clear reason to exist, as Palmar did request it specifically, so it's excusable. On April 13 2013 16:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: How about we have either have everyone nuke themselves? It's seems very likely that at least mafia has a nuke, and possibly both mafia and town. It's 8-3, but, without taking nukes into account, that doesn't impact the number of mislynches we have, and therefore I think it's very unlikely that mafia has no roles given how much everyone being a hydra favors town. With this assumption at worst we get a 1-1 trade and if there's an anti-nuker, we could even decide to save one. By that logic, then, this is his first organic contribution to the thread. I'm leery of this, knowing how much I generally despise set-up talk, ESPECIALLY at that point in the game when there is plenty of information at hand to generate reads from. On April 13 2013 17:15 SamuelLJackson wrote: At the time of this post the game had been going on for less than 8 hours; did you genuinely find the thread worse than usual and their posting indicative of them waiting for others to "carry" them? Can you make a list of players (should be easy since you suggested that there were many) who you thought were doing this? You named one, but that was just a person who prima facie left due to time zone constraints. This post seems fairly pointless. He seems to be starting to suspect Mock, but he actually draws no conclusions about alignment with this post. On April 13 2013 17:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: Palmar any thoughts on WaveOfCheesecake? At the time I called this a town tell, but a weak one. It's bascially the basis of my town read on him. On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote: It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now. This also contains little in the way of real conclusions about alignment. They are "not a priority" but does that make them town reads or just null reads? Thus, Hapa's question, and the post I began this case with where syllo gives his scumhunting metric this game: On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: Players who haven't by the time of lynch produced meaningful content despite being here and the game being a hydra game. In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting. WaveOfCheesecake's has a bunch of fluff, but also a few serious posts that don't give me the impression of a curious townie. His read on you somewhat point towards the other way though regardless of your alignment. What is is sole scumhunt tactic? If you read into it, it's actually fucking lurker lynching, and he's stuck with that all the ay up to his latest post: On April 15 2013 00:19 SamuelLJackson wrote: NeutralSrvivngBalrog and FondleMyButtocks you two have around 4 hours to make yourself useful. WaveOfCheesecake: Mockarmor isn't happening today; who do you actually want to lynch. Essentially your whole filter relates to mockarmor directly or indirectly. It seems like he's only interested in lynching between the two lurkiest candidates. Most of the rest of his filter is giving out town reads and throwing "general" suspicion at players like myself and WoC. Has he voted yet? No. By his own metric, he is a good lynch, because the amount of "worthwhile content" he has produced is very low, and not at all what I would expect from a town Syllogism. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:25 FiveTouch wrote: yamato, while some of your concerns about syllogism may be valid (VE and I are both uncomfortable at how little he's leading/pushing town), a lot of what you talk about is just how syllogism talks stylistically. ~marv You don't find it concerning that he simply wants to lurker lynch Prom? I looked through Prom's filter and I'm not as confident in the lynch anymore. While he is usually more active as town, I also know from experience in the last hydra that he can be gone for days at a time. I don't think inactivity is alignment indicative in this case. What I do see in his posting isn't super encouraging, because having Vivax/Kush as your main scumread is kind of a cop out, but he also does seem rather suspicious of the Balrog hydra, which is reasonable. | ||
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I fucking hate lurker lynching, but his posting is rather meek and constantly excuse-ridden. Whatever, for consolidation I'll lynch Prom. ##Unvote ##Vote FondleMyButtocks | ||
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1. Wave joked around exclusively even when shit got serious. This is not behavior that I remember much of from Wave in any game yet. When I went and looked at Ego Mini, The Game and LX, none of those had much joking at all. As a matter of fact he gets into the think of things in all of those games. In this game he's just seemed to take a complete wait and see approach. This looks like a mentality shift to me from being town to being new scum. 2. In looking at how Wave tends to post in Ego and The Game, you get almost a series of Short Post-Short Post-Long Post that repeats itself. It's almost like he does that sort of posting unconciously. It's something he does from almost the beginning of the game. Yet here, he doesn't look to actually ever 'catch' into that typical town rhetoric from him. This to me looks like he's trying to be careful and not posting naturally. 3. Wave made a meta case. Wave tries to avoid meta cases like the plague. What's the point in him making a meta case? Either as a newer player or as a player who has often expressed his feelings about meta cases, who is going to listen or pay attention to it? No one. This is an easily dismissable case in addition to it being out of character for Wave. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing. And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it. Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't. In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way. Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.) Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around. The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot. Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry. NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff. This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty. Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times. I don't see why more people can't hop on the Geript Wagon of Justice (TM). Wave isn't approaching things from a towny aspect and isn't showing himself to be consistent with his town meta (no scum meta yet available). He also isn't approaching things in any sort of natural towny mentality or mindset. He's totes scum brahs | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:41 FiveTouch wrote: I think he could be mafia (VE thought so way early in the day actually), but I don't think it's a very clever play to lynch him today. ~marv Okay, Marv. Let's lynch Prom and pray, rofl. | ||
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I mean, one of them is LIKELY to be mafia, no? | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:33 FiveTouch wrote: I mean, my vote is on FMB, he looks to be a decent lynch, the only thing that makes me think he's not a decent lynch is the fact that everyone thinks he's a decent lynch. If you get what I'm saying. ~marv I agree with this sentiment entirely. I find it odd that at various points many people have been suspicious of WoC but no one has really made a solid push towards them other than me <--not yamato | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:47 FiveTouch wrote: I found raynmaster somewhat townie, although VE disagrees. There's a post from me a couple of hours ago where I outline what I think about MA, he could be mafia, but he's a mindfuck. WoC I'm also completely on the fence. I've spent a tonne of time on this game today with really unsatisfactory conclusions. ~marv Well, I guess you and I are literally at the exact same point in this game. Fuck. | ||
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On March 18 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Ohai guise. Geript no offense, but your meta reads are shit. I'll agree with you that something appears...off about zare this game, but glurio does make a point and zare's activity does go way down on weekends. I'm willing to keep an eye on him for now but I don't think he'd be my D1 lynch candidate. I have to look into this Vivax/TPS thing right now because so far it seems the most compelling thing to me. I was going to comment on Coag's bullshit at some point but I figure I have to trust the vets on his meta once again since they ended up being right about Grush last game.....sigh. The thing is throughout the game he never trusted anyone's meta reads. He never commented on DYH's meta case on Zarepath; he never really responded to Sciberbia IIRC or my +1 of DYH's read. IIRC he didn't ever really ask about vets meta reads though. This recent case on Mocsta is the first Meta case of his that I can remember which seems exceptionally odd and out of character to me. I think Wave is capable of solid trains of thought, but in my experience that case misrepresents the facts some (could just be different perceptions) but looks like it's intentionally designed to go nowhere. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:57 ShotgunBiceps wrote: I'd expect scum to add more window-dressing to a consolidation post than "eh sorry not active I'll just sheep thread sentiment" I'd expect town to give more of a fuck about who they were lynching. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:03 ShotgunBiceps wrote: That post seems written by a busy townie than a lazy scum. Though by your heuristic (not giving a fuck about who dies), I'd prefer to lynch Vivax/Kush or Rayn. Both of them are exhibiting the same behavior. Of those two, I'd prefer to lynch Vivax of those two. Rayn annoying regardless (having watched him in NMM30???) imo. I think him bouncing around is just how he operates not that it's terribly important right now. Vivax is vivax and I also dislike how he hasn't really tried to make himself known the way he has previously. Really though, WoC is a much better lynch imo; there are things that are distinctly off with him. <--not yamato | ||
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I look at votes and the posts supporting the vote. Why? It usually gives me a good idea of the STRONG stances people are taking about scum reads in the game. If you make a case, doesn't a vote usually come along with it? If you lynch someone, don't you usually have a reason? In short, vote posts are good milemarkers of content WORTH reading in someone's filter. So on WaveOfCheesecake, who are they voting and why? Joke vote, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand On April 15 2013 03:51 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games. For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red. At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now. ##Vote: FondleMyButtocks This fucking post. In 4 pages of filter, they have managed to bullshit around and shit up the thread without ever backing up their stances with votes. What midnset does this show? It's not one of scumhunting, because if you look at their filter, MOST of it is pointless arguing with Mock. I don't find that they are taking many strong stances, and this voting analysis PROVES it. Why, in 4 pages of filter, have they not managed to scumhunt more than this? Their decision on who to lynch after being in the thread for that amount of time is SOLELY based on thread sentiment? What are they doing in all those other posts, then? Fucking spamming away pages, appearing active, and shitting up the thread with endless arguments. Fuck lynching a lurker. Lynch WaveOfCheesecake. ##Unvote ##Vote: WaveOfCheesecake | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:14 SamuelLJackson wrote: ISH, I looked at that post you quoted and found it the towniest thing of his filter. I disagree. If that's your stance, I'm a bit disappointed. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Your WoC suspicions are more that he's playing bad rather than scummy. I'm not pleased with his play either, but I think it's townie. Again, his vote post on FMB is very genuine. No. I clearly showed how he's acting differently and posting differently from his normal town self. On top of that, he's not following any normal town thought processes (think scum -> pressure -> vote). Instead it's (think scum -> mindlessly argue -> flail). | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:42 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Here's my problem with WoC. 1. Wave joked around exclusively even when shit got serious. This is not behavior that I remember much of from Wave in any game yet. When I went and looked at Ego Mini, The Game and LX, none of those had much joking at all. As a matter of fact he gets into the think of things in all of those games. In this game he's just seemed to take a complete wait and see approach. This looks like a mentality shift to me from being town to being new scum. 2. In looking at how Wave tends to post in Ego and The Game, you get almost a series of Short Post-Short Post-Long Post that repeats itself. It's almost like he does that sort of posting unconciously. It's something he does from almost the beginning of the game. Yet here, he doesn't look to actually ever 'catch' into that typical town rhetoric from him. This to me looks like he's trying to be careful and not posting naturally. 3. Wave made a meta case. Wave tries to avoid meta cases like the plague. What's the point in him making a meta case? Either as a newer player or as a player who has often expressed his feelings about meta cases, who is going to listen or pay attention to it? No one. This is an easily dismissable case in addition to it being out of character for Wave. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing. And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it. Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't. In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way. Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.) Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around. The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot. Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry. NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff. This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty. Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times. I don't see why more people can't hop on the Geript Wagon of Justice (TM). Wave isn't approaching things from a towny aspect and isn't showing himself to be consistent with his town meta (no scum meta yet available). He also isn't approaching things in any sort of natural towny mentality or mindset. He's totes scum brahs Seriously did you guys read this at all? Just because Yamato isn't making the points doesn't mean that you should ignore this. Go back and look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&user=66004 or The Game or LX. Is my read of him off? Do you see me mischaracterizing his early play or how he posts? WoS doesn't put much stock in meta and then he up and comes with a meta case that is other than one minor point in the middle totally non-sensical and looks as if it's a "SEE HOW MUCH EFFORT I'M PUTTING IN HERE" post. That's not towny. <--not yamato | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote: i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him... Because a lynch is better than no lynch. You're not helping in finding a new lynch candidate, you're just fucking around. You scum? Vivax being townish isn't going to excuse you fucking off for too long. | ||
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Vivax420/NSB/WWoC Pick one, bros. | ||
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My point is that much of their filter IMO isn't CC but WoS. Not all of it granted, but WoS is acting differently. Even how he responds to pressure has been different. In the Game he became far, FAR more involved after cases were levied against him. In Hydra, once he was on the chopping block he started trying to actively push someone else because he was both blue and town. This game, I don't get that. I don't see him actually trying to get MA lynched at all. Even if you say that's because he's busy, then look at his meta case... would you ever think that's effective at pushing agenda? Honestly? That's not a weak case from a weak player; that's just a bad case. It has 1 good point in the middle of it which gets the least time and he spends most of that time deciding whether or not to even post his thoughts. NOT TOWNY. WoS is SCUM | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:36 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Hydra 1 was a fairly different situation no? Like he was the leading lynch candidate, and not a fringe one. Anyway I'll read his filter again. I still think his FMB vote was very genuine. To some extent all 3 situations are different. In Hydra 1 I think he gained lots of hate and pressure on N2 after the VE/OO lynch and that's when he really started getting active. In the game it wasn't until D2 where he had a ton of pressure and was setup as the mislych du jour with 2-3 cases on him when he got super invested so to speak and had a terrible coming out claim. In LX he and Dr.H got into it late game and went back and forth both being really active and shit-throwing etc. The point is that how he responds to pressure is alignment indicative; when he feels pressured, he gets his ass in gear. In this case he seems to have no investment in shifting into 3rd gear. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:42 VIVAX420 wrote: ok fine if it's not allowed by the rules. that would make sense because it would be a huge town tell to have a normal looking hydra qt. Why is WoC town? Last couple posts in his filter show town mindset of trying to figure shit out. Also he puts A LOT of effort into metaing. No he doesn't. He played in all of those games. He's summarizing them and from my memory misrepresenting them at points. He put actual effort in explaining why the things are alignment indicative. MOST OF ALL HE BELIEVES HIS META READS ARE SHIT AND DOESN'T USE META!!!!!! How is that not a red flag for you? | ||
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##vote raynmaster not quite sure how I feel about it but unless Yam corrects it, I'm fine with it. | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:43 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Where did Syllo go in all of this? It is pretty nice to notice who actually cares about finding a good lynch, no? | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:49 John Matrix wrote: Remember that sammy is scum. Vivax is town because of something I know syllo would definitely consider a strong towntell, yet he's willing to lynch vivax. never forget. Mind explaining this we still have 8 minutes. | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:53 FiveTouch wrote: it's somewhat obvious but I missed it. I have a lucky angel on my shoulder though. I don't believe in it 100% but it seems to be a decent tell. ~marv k well tell me after the game plz | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:57 ShotgunBiceps wrote: So whatever the Reyn flip, we take a look at Syllo and NSB tomorrow. Syllo needs to be hanged for promising to do shit and not doing shit. For the record, I did tell you guys Syllo was mafia. By HIS OWN HEURISTIC, he is mafia, lol. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:06 VIVAX420 wrote: dude i wanted to lynch rayne since i woke up this morning. the rest of you noobs just figured it out like 5 minutes ago And what is the secret town tell on me?? I dont even know The town tell is probably on Vivax I don't know if there are town tells for Kush | ||
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So yeah, nuke syllo? | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:28 geript wrote: Well we were kinda already confirmed. Yamato and I are discussing targets. People can feel free to make arguments. Qfff And yah, we're Duke Nukem | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:31 FiveTouch wrote: well, now you have to shoot tonight ![]() ~marv We had already decided to shoot. The question is, Syllo or NSB? | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:37 VIVAX420 wrote: Hmmm I'm not sure about killing syllo. Everyone remember his plan for people to nuke themselves? Not a bad plan and I wouldn't expect mafia to come up with something like this. No, it was a terrible plan. Terrible. | ||
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I might not be here for much longer, and I don't know if geript will either, so we'll get this over with. ##Nuke: SamuelLJackson We considered being trolls and shooting WoC, but meh, we can lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:49 FiveTouch wrote: omg I'm loling hard me too rofl | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote: If syllo is scum, the last one comes down to NSB/WoC/Mock Precisely. So let's talk about it before mafia shoots one of us. IGNORING NSB (since I hate talking about unreadables) Which of Mock/WoC are mafia? Syllo/Sand saying they didn't want to lynch WoC is highly suspect. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:55 FiveTouch wrote: Pretty sure if syllo/sand are mafia then we have 3 lynches available to us. With 4-5 confirmed town to lead them, lol. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:55 John Matrix wrote: WTF? Mock is like 90% town He was tunneled all day long by raynmaster. If this is true, and WoC seems town to people, then NSB is mafia. >_> | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:57 ShotgunBiceps wrote: It would be rather disappointing if NSB was scum =/ It would, yes. | ||
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On April 15 2013 08:47 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: CC's and my shitty play this game is coming down to activity levels---I assumed he would be able to do more than he has and the same goes for me. If you'll remember in the pregame yamato I stated ahead of time I wasn't sure how active I was going to be able to be, and I was telling the truth about that, and about everything as always. I would like to point out that none of my points against you were based on activity whatsoever. Please try again. | ||
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On April 15 2013 13:24 John Matrix wrote: Remove 5touch from that list. Notice how VE was backflipping around the scum lynch and using weak as shit excuses in order to do so and marv provided resistance to my RaynMaster push when I first went after him. Basically fivetouch is null. and should be treated as such. -DP Can you show me? I'm a little busy atm. | ||
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On April 15 2013 13:55 SamuelLJackson wrote: I'm not mafia, and even if you think I'm mafia, DESPITE THERE BEING NO CASE AT ALL, you should shoot that nuke down as it confirms a player and gives us the chance to convince you otherwise Please do not listen to this man. | ||
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On April 15 2013 13:58 SamuelLJackson wrote: Can you point to a single thing in my filter that is indicative of me not being straightforward with my thoughts? No, because it's not possible. Your case amounts to a stupid meta assumption of me always, under every circumstances and format, being useful and not lazy. You aren't even trying. Over 48 hours, I expect you to have produced content worthy of being called scumhunting, yes. You had this exact same metric for use as your scumhunting method, as I pointed out. BY YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU ARE A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR BEING MAFIA It's rather easy. | ||
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On April 15 2013 15:39 John Matrix wrote: Smurf you asked what I meant about 5touch and I posted a heap. What do you think? Sammy, I would like to know who you think is most likely to flip scum assuming you are town. We lynched scum day one so even if you die it is not the end of the world. I understand that you are furious about getting nuked like this, but it would be greatly appreciated if you could make an effort and put us on the right track. -DP It's something to think about, but I have a decent townread on VE, so I'll leave it alone for now. I haven't seen my copyright VE scumtell of ultimate certainty, so there's that in his favor. | ||
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On April 15 2013 15:59 John Matrix wrote: He shouldn;t be a town read is what i am saying. It's not like I'm coming to any conclusions based on my read of him at this time. It's really inconsequential, as there are many better targets. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: Smurf: I've absolutely been useless, but that does not make me mafia. I joined the game with the assumption that I could just chat with sandro and not post much, but the game started earlier than expected and I ended up having to play the game solo so far. I have a hard time reconciling this response with what you're saying now. | ||
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On April 15 2013 16:44 SamuelLJackson wrote: That's a meta reason, because townies are useless all the time, in particular on day 1. I'm using 'useless' as a relative, meta based adjective and not as an absolute, objective characterization of my play. If it wasn't me (and nominally sandro) playing, none of you would find me suspicious at all and I don't think that evaluation would be applicable. I don't feel that's true at all. You are applying to other people in your own post, how is it that I am only applying it to you based on meta? Where do I even mention in my case that it's specific to your play, anyway? Not that it isn't a good point, because it is, but that the heuristic is UNIVERSAL. | ||
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On April 15 2013 16:56 SamuelLJackson wrote: False, I presented content based reasons for the lynch and someone even had noticed the same things (mockarmor). Perhaps that was your reason for finding him suspicious, but it was not mine. Palmar hasn't accused me of anything, just said that I'm "scum". How do you propose I respond to that? He accused of not regarding a town tell as such. Are you reading closely, or not? | ||
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On April 15 2013 16:52 SamuelLJackson wrote: There's content and it's day 1. If that's the standard, or excuse, you are going to use to lynch and nuke people on day 1, you aren't going to be winning many games. Your "content" boiled down to a lurker lynch. This: On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote: FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Is highly subjective. You provide a lot of adjectives that describe FMB's play, but your only quote of them is essentially that you disagree with their analysis. You say it's "manufactured" but never provide context to this; you don't take the time to show what something that is "manufactured" looks like, in the strictest sense. How am I supposed to know how you got your read, from this? How can I hold you accountable for the analysis that you provide here when I have no context? I'm talking so much about this single post because it is, in essence, the only post I need to look at in your entire filter to determine your level of contribution for the day. Aside from this read, your contributions to the game have not been very deep or thought-provoking whatsoever, so I expect a high standard. Did this meet my expectation? Not at all. The entire basis of the rest of your reads of this game is a judgement of the worth of their contributions, so I feel like it's completely fair to apply it to you. I deem your case unworthy. If you are town, you are not trying very hard to seem it, and I will not suffer you calling the thread idiots in an attempt to bully them out of their read, or in the hopes that you scare a weak anti-nuker into saving you and giving you more time to look town. The fact that you come in here berating me, Palmar, and the rest of the thread for logically concluding that a syllo that gives no fucks is a syllo we want dead, is abhorrent. People criticize my reads in that I generally hold people to a high standard of play, and call "bad play" scum in a lot of instances, but in truth it only reflects my view of the game. If you are town for how you've played this game, you should know that you are only giving a place in which mafia can hide. Your job, as town, is to LOOK town, and if you have failed to give me reason to think you are town, I will not assume responsibility for lynching you. Unfortunately, you only have so much time to do so. It seems as if you've run out. I do think you had adequate time for a player of your capabilities to look town, however, so you have no one to blame for me nuking you than yourself. | ||
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You know and I know that the possibility of there existing an anti-nuker in this game is real. Regardless of your alignment, your only chance for survival is to convince the anti-nuker (if he exists) that you should be given more time, or that you're actually town, etc. What I want this potential anti-nuker to know is that to truly understand your mindset, he must look at your immediate reaction to finding out you were going to die: On April 15 2013 13:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: Jesus christ you people aren't too bright. I was asleep and sandro was posting. I told you I had 30 minutes. Can anyone actually explain what about my play makes me mafia? No one has even attempted to. On April 15 2013 13:55 SamuelLJackson wrote: I'm not mafia, and even if you think I'm mafia, DESPITE THERE BEING NO CASE AT ALL, you should shoot that nuke down as it confirms a player and gives us the chance to convince you otherwise On April 15 2013 13:58 SamuelLJackson wrote: Can you point to a single thing in my filter that is indicative of me not being straightforward with my thoughts? No, because it's not possible. Your case amounts to a stupid meta assumption of me always, under every circumstances and format, being useful and not lazy. You aren't even trying. On April 15 2013 14:00 SamuelLJackson wrote: If there is an anti-nuker out there who understands the concept of timezones, shoot the nuke down, thanks. On April 15 2013 14:07 SamuelLJackson wrote: I'll likely come up with something when I'm home and get a chance to discuss things with sandro, although putting in effort after being nuked out of the blue n1 while I was asleep is difficult On April 15 2013 15:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: No, you are terrible. It was an incredibly pro-town plan that was only foiled by the fact that you could also nuke over PMs, which I clearly did not know about, because if you work on the assumption that I'm mafia, I would have known that someone would point out the flaw and make the plan would suddenly look pro-mafia. On April 15 2013 15:33 SamuelLJackson wrote: So, by nuking me, congratulations for essentially nullifying the advantage we gained by lynching the mafia nuker on day 1. Let the anti-nuker decide; does he look genuine here? | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC You see, I find it interesting that you and not WoS says that as you had the 'read' on Rayn and not WoS. I feel no qualms about following up pressure on Yamato's reads or running with them. Yet, WoS doesn't feel comfortable talking about, following up on OR pressuring Rayn. Instead, he looks to soft buddy his partner's scum read. | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red. I don't think that's a valid point. There's a strict difference between prevent actively bussing a partner to keep a more valuable asset and gain town cred VS what happened here. I'd need to go back and read, but I don't remember being satisfied with the Prom/phagga lynch as it felt like a coin flip. Marv's sentiments reflected what I was feeling and I became more adamant in QT about finding another lynch. That formation of votes just didn't feel right. The key here is that I don't remember 5T having a specific direction to move the lynch towards. | ||
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As odd as it sounds, the fact that Kush didn't like Rayn bothers me. I'll reread again later. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:19 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: Makes lylo easier for the rest of the town. As far as I see it thats a win. Or you could just scumhunt | ||
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