Hydra Mini Mafia II - Extra Nuke Edition

On April 13 2013 07:46 FiveTouch wrote:

##Vote: VIVAX420

Pretty self-explanatory at this stage.

On April 13 2013 07:51 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
why so srs VE?

On April 13 2013 07:56 FondleMyButtocks wrote:


you scared of dying?

On April 13 2013 07:56 FondleMyButtocks wrote:


you scared of dying?

On April 13 2013 08:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote:


##Unvote
##Vote FiveTouch

Anti-discussion.

No townie should care about a boring conversation in the first hour of the game. The entire point of this comment is to troll, detract, and create a negative atmosphere than anything else.

On April 13 2013 08:35 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

Do you always answer your partners questions?

On April 13 2013 08:37 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

VE, this is retarded.

On April 13 2013 08:43 VIVAX420 wrote:


like I said I'm not gonna sign but lack of capitalization is a pretty good indicator that its the kush head.
VEs play always reels of anti town. notorious sheeper, disrupter, drama whore, etc

On April 13 2013 09:06 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
I'm so evil =(

But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy.

It's even objectively scummy for VE.

On April 13 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote:

I disagree. It was meant to imply that the SUBJECT of the current discussion (Y YOU NO LOVE ME...DAT DUDE TOWN LOL JK...I WANT "X" LURKER TO POST CAUSE HE HASN'T YET) is boring as fuck and I'd just LOVE to get some FOR REAL REAL discussion going on. Like this bit right here! HEY IT WORKED! ^^

Anything else you'd like to be wrong about sir?

On April 13 2013 09:06 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
I'm so evil =(

But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy.

It's even objectively scummy for VE.

On April 13 2013 09:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:


No but you're proving my point here.

Scum do this all the time. This mentality of "all this discussion sucks! See you when we reaaaaaaly start playing" is something I've seen scum do time and time again.

Most recently, Mr.CC in Noir Mini, who spent the early-game shutting down policy talk and being angry at early-game discussion for no reason.

On April 13 2013 09:20 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Alright, well we can be friends when you emerge from your tunnel or whatever it is.

Then you can fondle my buttocks with FondleMyButtocks

---

But let's talk about VE a bit. You think he makes comments like that all the time, and I vehemently disagree. Granted I'm no VE meta-expert, but he's usually very pro-discussion in the early-game as town.

And here I'm faced with this quote that is the exact opposite - calling everything boring and promising to watch paint dry. I think that goes quite against town-VE's mentality.

On April 13 2013 09:22 John Matrix wrote:

He was also not serious after that point.


Now I am not saying he can't joke around but I found it odd that he would say he was trying to be serious and then post something like this. W/E just found it odd. Now please discuss your threat of a vote to me? If you believe I was wrong does that make us scum? I find all this bluster ridiculous.

Also we are confirmed town or something so i don't care.

-DP
Now I am not

On April 13 2013 09:29 ShotgunBiceps wrote:


That's some rather lofty rhetoric there marvel-babe.

I'm rather comfortable with my vote so far =)



Yes, and it was the manner in which he approached it that is scummy. It wasn't just that he was bored with it all - he was criticizing discussion without making any attempt to move it in the right direction. Idle and objectively-purposeless criticisms such as these are scummy

Mabye people don't understand the read I'm trying to explain. I don't think it's subtle, but maybe I need to make a longer post about it.



That wasn't his last town game. And what's even your point?

On April 13 2013 09:36 ShotgunBiceps wrote:


Firstly it's VE that should be talking in his defense, not you.

Secondly, I don't believe that's a valid meta-argument about VE. He does that as scum too. Therefore I'm going to pursue objectively scummy actions.

On April 13 2013 09:45 Hapahauli wrote:


Too many people talking at once - kinda hard to focus.

Anyway, my suspicions stand that your quote was completely negative and anti-discussion. But you can't really contest that, since that's just my interpretation of it.

So let's move on to other things:

You were so eager to start discussion of actual things and "serious business." Well clearly things are more serious now, yet you've been making random troll-remarks during the course of this conversation. What gives?

On April 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote:
As for conclusions from this whole escapade, I'm pretty sure Yamato is town. Not sure what to think about VE yet, but I don't think my current line of questioning will go anywhere to figure it out.

In all seriousness, I don't have a gut-town read on VE, which I usually do when he's scum, so he's probably not posting to "appease" the town.

On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere

I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread.

On April 13 2013 07:56 FondleMyButtocks wrote:


you scared of dying?

On April 13 2013 20:41 VIVAX420 wrote:
I agree with having everyone nuke themselves.
Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea.

JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra.

-kush

On April 13 2013 20:48 John Matrix wrote:
What marv asked, that's really strange.

Also gj marv, I was about to yell at VE for being bad/scum.

On April 13 2013 23:24 raynmaster wrote:
FiveTouch was that marv or VE answering to the nuke?

/rayn

On April 13 2013 23:35 raynmaster wrote:
So if Palmar is town and VE was answering that post it makes FiveTouch's response even more suspicious in my eyes.

Here's another fact. If FT is town and JM is scum and actually has a nuke, who is to say they did not actually nuke and PM-cancel it instantly to look town to SLJ?

/rayn

On April 13 2013 08:50 FiveTouch wrote:
LOL

Lynch him if that's real.

On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying.

On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things
like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well

dood is scum parbably

On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
also phagga for someone with a name thats probably offensive to gay doods you sure chose a gay hydra name

On April 14 2013 06:24 John Matrix wrote:


This post slightly concerns me, especially if sandroba wrote it, slightly less if syllo wrote it (I think it was syllo).

The reason being simply that a normal game of this size has 9 town 3 scum. We know town is one player down, so assuming no roles at all scum is a tiny bit ahead compared to normal balance of these kinda games. So I think it's not a given that scum has a nuke, in fact I kinda doubt they do, I actually think the most reasonable setup has the two town roles (1 of each) and no scum nuke.

The vigilante shot (nuke) is too unreliable anyway.

Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility.

Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else.

On April 14 2013 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote:
And we want a nuke to be shot down. It not only confirms the person who fired the anti-nuke, but to a lesser degree the person targeted by the nuke. While mafia knows this, they may still gamble that there is no anti-nuker.

On April 14 2013 06:51 SamuelLJackson wrote:

If no one claims shooting the nuke, not at all

On April 14 2013 11:17 MockArmor wrote:

Marv dear.

I'm a simple minded man, and trying to wrap my ahead around this. Please assist.

Does the above suggest that is it extremely likely that "FT" / "JM" / "SLJ" are town.


As, I can not wrap my head around why else they would be valid NK targets worthy of discussion so early into Day1.

On April 14 2013 17:23 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Actually rather explain your read on Touchey. Besides what I noted earlier, their activity has remained low and I don't like the comment about me having a 0% track record on him. It's a) not true (in chrono I was initially, but not in the end wrong about him) b) a claim mafia from my experience is more likely to make.

On April 14 2013 20:13 raynmaster wrote:

Thats not the point of DP's case and his reasoning on why he thinks im scummy. Why are you still living in the past?
Comment on current ongoings, dont be like palmar please.
What do you think of his random long post btw and the reads he expressed?

On April 14 2013 20:29 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It's a really annoying, pointless argument. They kind of seem invested in the argument, but it's a bit difficult to believe that they are arguing something of relevance.

On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote:
I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1.

On April 15 2013 01:03 John Matrix wrote:


Not at all. I think I wrote a post on it somewhere in some post-game or something, or maybe I mentioned it in the video.

Making associative tells based on information that you don't have is simply giving weapons to the mafia. I may be wrong on one or the other, maybe one is throwing the other in front of the bus, who knows?

It's generally best to make reads based on people's own posts, not allow a third party to become part of your feeling towards another player.

For example, I would in addition to those two be willing to lynch the Balrog and Vivax, so I'm clearly wrong on at least one read, since they cannot all be scum. I don't know which one of these I'm wrong on, so it'd be strictly stupid to discount anyone that one of these four players pushes.

Hell, add in that DP is pretty convinced reynmaster is mafia, so that'd be 5 people whose targets we can't attack? Ridiculous.

On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote:
to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.

On April 14 2013 05:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:


you haven't given a reason on why you think we're scum besides "bad case". Even if the case would be bad (i leave that up to prom to debate), you should be aware that townies can make bad cases too. So what exactly makes us scum?

On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote:
to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested.

On April 14 2013 03:54 ShotgunBiceps wrote:

Secondly, I don't know VE very well, and I'm generally pretty terrible at reading him. I've played 2 games with him, both of which he was scum and both of which I had gut-town reads on him for the first few days.

Also if I'm "scummy as fuck" or whatever, where's your vote? Where's your push? All I see is you tryign to justify that I'm scummy to my partner instead of going anywhere with it.

On April 15 2013 01:51 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:
I just got home early and now have the job of reading through the thread. Not spoken to my other head yet but I'm sure he won't object to this (And even if he does its not like me and snb will ever agree on anything anyway )

##Nuke: FiveTouch

On April 15 2013 02:00 VIVAX420 wrote:
why can't he launch it now wtf

On April 15 2013 02:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

Moreso mocking Rayn for the weaksauce call out regarding the Palmar fake nuke.

@Marv. Yamato seems to be more convinced that Hapa is town. I'm not there yet although I'm not sure I wholly get all of Yamato's reasons for suspecting him in the first place. Do you mind walking me through your whole suspicion of Biceps?

On April 15 2013 02:24 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Marv, I could say similar things about you; who DO you want to lynch?

This is Yamato, by the way. I'll let you know when it's me since geript is also here.

On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote:
LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok
shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch.

I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC

On April 15 2013 03:10 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Also who posted that vote on me? Was that Rayn or Oats?

On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:

I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself.

On April 15 2013 03:30 ShotgunBiceps wrote:


Fairly valid concerns, however the fact remains that Prome's play has been incredibly lacking, and that lines up pretty darn well with his scum mentality. I find it hard to believe that town-Prome would awol the thread like this. If I remember correctly, he was quite busy in Dessert Mini (as town) and really made attempts to go out of his way to be active.

On Day 1, I think thread atmosphere and flow can be fairly fickle, and I'd rather resort to lynching objectively scummy players. For example, the scum-team could be lurking or just bad at deflecting attention off of their buddy. And given the most recent votecount (with votes spread amongst 5 players), I don't see this as much of a concern anywho.

On April 15 2013 03:31 SamuelLJackson wrote:

Who do you want to lynch then? I don't have time to reread, though perhaps sandro will before the deadline.

On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote:
LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok
shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch.

I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC

On April 15 2013 03:14 VIVAX420 wrote:
I'd lynch Neutralsurvivingbalrog. Mostly a policy lynch but I'd do it.
kush

On April 15 2013 03:31 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB lynch gets the kush seal of approval. I will vote it if rayn isn't happening.
kush

On April 15 2013 03:38 SamuelLJackson wrote:

If drazerk/snb are mafia, why did drazerk show up, make a few nonsensical posts and disappear? He doesn't seem to give a shit about his survival, which seems about what I would expect from him as town.

On April 15 2013 03:40 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
For the record, I would rather flip Syllo today, but even Palmar doesn't want to do that and he's the only other one that seems to think Syllo could be mafia.

On April 15 2013 03:42 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

Okay, Marv.

Let's lynch Prom and pray, rofl.

On April 15 2013 03:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Wait we're voting for FMB? Policy on lurker Yamato?

On April 15 2013 03:45 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I'm talking with geript and trying to figure out which of WoC/MA/RM is mafia, what do you think?

I mean, one of them is LIKELY to be mafia, no?

On April 15 2013 03:48 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

Well, I guess you and I are literally at the exact same point in this game.

Fuck.

On April 15 2013 03:51 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games.

For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red.
At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now.

##Vote: FondleMyButtocks

On April 15 2013 04:08 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Marv, can I get your comments on this?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&currentpage=44#879

On April 15 2013 04:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote:


You seem to think it's an "unnecessary" play for scum, but I'm more reading it as he doesn't care who dies.

I'm more interested in the attitude thing though - am I just remembering it wrong, or is what I pointed out about his attitude (brash as scum in newbie, more wishy-washy as town in RTP) true?

On April 15 2013 04:38 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Jeez where did everyone go. Need comments on Reyn.

As for the SnB thing, I've noticed that too, but it's a tad against the rules to discuss out-of-game activity in this thread.

On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote:
This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around?
Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on.

On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him...

On April 15 2013 05:27 VIVAX420 wrote:

NO IM NOT

On April 15 2013 05:30 VIVAX420 wrote:
FMB post QT right now please

On April 15 2013 06:11 FiveTouch wrote:
I approve of this.

-VE

On April 15 2013 06:30 John Matrix wrote:


Beer goggles

-DP

On April 15 2013 06:40 John Matrix wrote:


Beer goggles is what happens when you get shitfaced drunk and usually unattractive girls become surprisingly attractive all of a sudden.

It was a joke.

Marv is wrong all the time about gut town reads, most relevant was his town read of scum oats last game.

On April 15 2013 06:40 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
So are we going to get the details of this town-read of yours marv?

On April 15 2013 06:46 John Matrix wrote:


Sammy confirmed scum. Kill him tomorrow.

He is saying vivax can be scum when he should have extreme reservations about doing so if he has actually read vivax's filter.

On April 15 2013 06:52 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I don't understand how that works for how you guys read people at all. I'm really going to have to do more hydra/shadowing because your guys trains of thought are fucking confusing at times.

On April 15 2013 06:54 John Matrix wrote:
also I'm like quadruple confirmed town now, it's pretty baller on day 1, right?

On April 15 2013 07:01 John Matrix wrote:
list of marv gutreads on oatsscum:


Town
Town

On April 15 2013 07:28 geript wrote:
Well we were kinda already confirmed. Yamato and I are discussing targets. People can feel free to make arguments.

On April 15 2013 07:30 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
It really doesn't matter.

On April 15 2013 07:32 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

We had already decided to shoot.

The question is, Syllo or NSB?

On April 15 2013 07:36 John Matrix wrote:
the difference is this can be reached by a consensus in the thread, whereas a vigi shot is generally not announced because of potential roleblocks and such.

On April 15 2013 07:55 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Syllo's words on WoC don't mean anything. Scum give out legitimate town-reads all the time.

My best guess is Mock. Spends a ton of time talking about Reyn on Day 1, and does nothing to follow it up or vote him.

On April 15 2013 07:57 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

If this is true, and WoC seems town to people, then NSB is mafia.

>_>

On April 15 2013 13:24 John Matrix wrote:


Remove 5touch from that list. Notice how VE was backflipping around the scum lynch and using weak as shit excuses in order to do so and marv provided resistance to my RaynMaster push when I first went after him.

Basically fivetouch is null. and should be treated as such.

-DP

On April 15 2013 13:57 MockArmor wrote:

Thats the best quote hahahah.

If Marv is scum; thats such a hillarious truth.

I think its a valid slip anyways.

Town are concerned about mislynching town, but certainly not about "protecting" town..
Scum on the other hand, are trying to protect the "brotherhood".

On April 15 2013 20:19 John Matrix wrote:


And then you said you WOULD NEVER DO IT AGAIN

On April 15 2013 20:31 DarthPunk wrote:


You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of.

Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else.

-DP

On April 15 2013 20:37 DarthPunk wrote:

You clearly are altering the narrative by brazenly stating that you did not defend oats when it is clear to the entire thread that you, in fact, did. LMAO.

The crux of the matter is that you aren't confirmed town. I dare you to say that you are. Now that we agree you are not confirmed town we can stop shitting up the thread, and get back to scumhunting.

What do you make of all this stuff with syllogism?

On April 15 2013 21:28 Palmar wrote:
if im wrong on syllo marv 100% scum

On April 15 2013 21:28 VIVAX420 wrote:
Sam is looking really scummy to me right now.

I thought that you couldn't undo thread nukes with pm, but his excuse that he just didn't know you could pm nukes is not likely.

Not giving a shit is a huge scumtell for sandroba. He hates playing scum.
in fact I don't think sandroba has been in the thread once.

marv why are you even talking about saving him? not gonna happen nor should it.
kush

On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote:

A lot of people felt Gonzaw was innocent all game. While his posts did a good job of painting himself as a try-hard townie, he did have holes and inconsistencies if you looked closely (I bet nobody did). For example, Gonzaw actually did out himself and Chaoser indirectly by treating chaoser differently in his post than anyone else.On four other people he throws around a lot of doubt and suspicion on them. Then suddenly when addressing chaoser he switches to more of a pleading town, as if trying to 'give him a chance.' Why? Gee I wonder...Those contradictions exist! Look for them!

On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.

pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes.

On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:


well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut.

love,
cc

On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:

As for who is scum?

Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.

-CC

On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:


Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip.

/thread

-CC

On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:



Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town.

On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:


FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red.

On April 16 2013 01:55 John Matrix wrote:


I caught scum day one. Despite the resistance from yourself. You don't have the right to call me fucking useless buddy.

-DP

On April 16 2013 01:55 John Matrix wrote:


I caught scum day one. Despite the resistance from yourself. You don't have the right to call me fucking useless buddy.

-DP

On April 16 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote:
RAYN WASN'T EVEN AN OPTION UNTIL MARV TALkED YOU LOT INTO SWITCHING DP WHAT THE HOLY FUCK JUST LOOK ELSEWHERE AND STOP WASTING YORU FUCKING TIME

WE'RE LOOkING FOR SCUM TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ARGUING YOUR SHITTY FUCKING LOGIC DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKNIG FOR SCUM

On April 16 2013 01:57 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
FiveTouch, just to note, neither of you has done any scumhunting since raynmaster flipped.

On April 16 2013 02:02 SamuelLJackson wrote:

So why were you voting for this "obviously townie" player?

Anyway, I don't think there is an anti-nuker, so instead of wasting my time writing a bigger cast post, I'll just point to Palmar's reads, which I largely agree with. Sheep him.

On April 16 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote:
Yes, he's probably town.

~marv

On April 16 2013 05:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I'm willing to accept I was wrong about my meta read on Mocsta and the amount of pushing he has done as well as what I mentioned regarding Rayn and possibly NSB's push makes him look townier. I'm not 100% on MA but null leaning town on him now.
I absolutely hate kush's posting but they were right about Rayn pretty early, and Vivax's posting has been good. Town - I'm fairly sure CC and I agree on that front.

I'm leaving my thoughts on FT close to the chest right now partially because I can't afford to get into an argument with marv right now. I scurred of him.

On April 16 2013 05:19 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:


Makes lylo easier for the rest of the town. As far as I see it thats a win.

On April 16 2013 05:29 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
@wave

my qt is retardes on thia phone. You dont need to talk to me about your reads. they are your reads. we have different opinions. Just say them instead of saying that we need to talk. All ill do is disagree and youll feel shotty or something.

just say your reads man

On April 15 2013 04:56 MockArmor wrote:


I mean, this guy hasn't really made any cases, pops in and says "Hi guys! I'll vote for the leader. Kthx bye!"

He says nothing of what he thinks about FMB here. He just throws down a vote and afks... He doesn't followup at all on his reads on Rayne or myself...

This guy shows no real investment in the game...

I mean FMB's definitely scummy looking, but at its heart it feels more like a lurker lynch than anything else... And lurker lynches are stupidly easy for scum to get behind without real fallout later. It just doesn't make sense to me in a game where we could hypothetically have day 2 LYLO that we're pretty much policy lurker lynching someone.