Hydra Mini Mafia II - Extra Nuke Edition
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On April 13 2013 07:44 VIVAX420 wrote: ##Vote: VIVAX420 Pretty self-explanatory at this stage. | ||
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On April 13 2013 07:46 FiveTouch wrote: ##Vote: VIVAX420 Pretty self-explanatory at this stage. I guess I'll sign my posts, and VE is handsome enough that he won't bother, and that's how you'll distinguish us. ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 07:51 FondleMyButtocks wrote: why so srs VE? Because I've discovered recently that unless I establish my innocence immediately, I'll be lynched mercilessly regardless of my alignment. Fuck RVS, time to get to work. | ||
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I fear nothing. | ||
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For what it's worth, your posting thus far has reeked of obligatory. Shape up bish. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:32 ShotgunBiceps wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote FiveTouch Anti-discussion. No townie should care about a boring conversation in the first hour of the game. The entire point of this comment is to troll, detract, and create a negative atmosphere than anything else. I disagree. It was meant to imply that the SUBJECT of the current discussion (Y YOU NO LOVE ME...DAT DUDE TOWN LOL JK...I WANT "X" LURKER TO POST CAUSE HE HASN'T YET) is boring as fuck and I'd just LOVE to get some FOR REAL REAL discussion going on. Like this bit right here! HEY IT WORKED! ^^ Anything else you'd like to be wrong about sir? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:35 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Do you always answer your partners questions? I'm gonna keep a running count of questions you ask without context. You're up to 5. | ||
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This is more like it. When you ask questions without saying "....BECAUSE XYZ" it looks scummy as fuck and stinks of trying to appear active. I don't care what you think is retarded BTDUBZ. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:43 VIVAX420 wrote: like I said I'm not gonna sign but lack of capitalization is a pretty good indicator that its the kush head. VEs play always reels of anti town. notorious sheeper, disrupter, drama whore, etc I just want to check that you understand the deep irony of this. ~marv | ||
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Lynch him if that's real. | ||
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For the record. | ||
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I say "bish" because it's less visually offensive to me than "bitch" even though in practice it means and is generally interpreted as exactly the same thing. Any reason you want to focus on retarded, non alignment indicative shit when Hapa has a case on me and Yam has a case on Hapa? Seems to me there's ALL KINDS of stuff to comment on other than my vernacular. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:06 ShotgunBiceps wrote: I'm so evil =( But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy. It's even objectively scummy for VE. On April 13 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote: I disagree. It was meant to imply that the SUBJECT of the current discussion (Y YOU NO LOVE ME...DAT DUDE TOWN LOL JK...I WANT "X" LURKER TO POST CAUSE HE HASN'T YET) is boring as fuck and I'd just LOVE to get some FOR REAL REAL discussion going on. Like this bit right here! HEY IT WORKED! ^^ Anything else you'd like to be wrong about sir? No one except for....the accused! | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:06 ShotgunBiceps wrote: I'm so evil =( But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy. It's even objectively scummy for VE. I could almost forgive all the bullcrap you spouted before, Hapa, but you're clinging on for dear life here. His comment isn't 'objectively' scummy in the slightest, he was saying he was bored with all the trolling. Do note in his last town game he was down to serious business within half an hour of first posting in the thread on Day 1 (The Game). The fact you're pushing this like this either makes you bad or mafia. Which is it to be? ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote: No but you're proving my point here. Scum do this all the time. This mentality of "all this discussion sucks! See you when we reaaaaaaly start playing" is something I've seen scum do time and time again. Most recently, Mr.CC in Noir Mini, who spent the early-game shutting down policy talk and being angry at early-game discussion for no reason. I don't care what you've seen. Do I appear to be "angry" at early game discussion? The post you quoted was a light-hearted jab and in NO WAY resembles CC's play from Noir. You're just making shit up to justify your fail-tunnel. Making shit up to strengthen one's position: scummy. You say I'm trying to "shut down discussion" quoting one light-hearted jab...have you even read the rest of my filter? Does ANY of it look like I'm pushing the agenda you're saying I'm pushing? I swear to God if this is real and not some kind of dipshit reaction test, you die today Hapa. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:20 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Alright, well we can be friends when you emerge from your tunnel or whatever it is. Then you can fondle my buttocks with FondleMyButtocks But let's talk about VE a bit. You think he makes comments like that all the time, and I vehemently disagree. Granted I'm no VE meta-expert, but he's usually very pro-discussion in the early-game as town. And here I'm faced with this quote that is the exact opposite - calling everything boring and promising to watch paint dry. I think that goes quite against town-VE's mentality. Can't tell if srs ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:22 John Matrix wrote: He was also not serious after that point. Now I am not saying he can't joke around but I found it odd that he would say he was trying to be serious and then post something like this. W/E just found it odd. Now please discuss your threat of a vote to me? If you believe I was wrong does that make us scum? I find all this bluster ridiculous. Also we are confirmed town or something so i don't care. -DP Now I am not For the record, I was very serious about the discussion to that point being more boring than watching grass grow. It's picked up considerably since that quote. ^^ | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:29 ShotgunBiceps wrote: That's some rather lofty rhetoric there marvel-babe. I'm rather comfortable with my vote so far =) Yes, and it was the manner in which he approached it that is scummy. It wasn't just that he was bored with it all - he was criticizing discussion without making any attempt to move it in the right direction. Idle and objectively-purposeless criticisms such as these are scummy Mabye people don't understand the read I'm trying to explain. I don't think it's subtle, but maybe I need to make a longer post about it. That wasn't his last town game. And what's even your point? My "point" is that you're saying this isn't like town-VE, whereas town VE after a brief flurry of introduction usually gets down to serious business. You're the one making the contention. ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:36 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Firstly it's VE that should be talking in his defense, not you. Secondly, I don't believe that's a valid meta-argument about VE. He does that as scum too. Therefore I'm going to pursue objectively scummy actions. Firstly, why? Secondly, no. Stop being bad, it's irritating. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:45 Hapahauli wrote: Too many people talking at once - kinda hard to focus. Anyway, my suspicions stand that your quote was completely negative and anti-discussion. But you can't really contest that, since that's just my interpretation of it. So let's move on to other things: You were so eager to start discussion of actual things and "serious business." Well clearly things are more serious now, yet you've been making random troll-remarks during the course of this conversation. What gives? I don't think I've been making random troll-remarks during this conversation. I think I've been stating my mind and being honest with the thread. If you can point out which remarks you're referring to I might be able to help you further. | ||
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Oh and I bolded the statement that invalidates your entire stance. You've been arguing that your read is good because my post is objectively scummy, yet you state yourself that there's NO DEFENSE TO BE MADE because it's based on your interpretation of my post, or in other words, not objective at all, rather subjective. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote: As for conclusions from this whole escapade, I'm pretty sure Yamato is town. Not sure what to think about VE yet, but I don't think my current line of questioning will go anywhere to figure it out. In all seriousness, I don't have a gut-town read on VE, which I usually do when he's scum, so he's probably not posting to "appease" the town. Wow this stinks of obligatory too. Like "Oh shit, I posted without drawing any conclusions that might come off poorly, better go draw some conclusions without drawing any conclusions" I'm actually interested now Hapa, you drew me into this "1 on 1 pow wow" and now you just wanna slink away now that we're rapping? Doesn't jive my friend, and most certainly doesn't compute. Give me your thoughts on Vivax sir. He's got his fingers in both pies right now, and I'd like to know where you think he's coming from. I think maybe he's scum rooting for just any ol' townie to get lynched. You? | ||
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Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here: FondleMyButtocks ShotgunBiceps FiveTouch InsertSmurfHere I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem. | ||
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Ugh, maybe you're right Hapa, time may be what's needed here. Like everything you're saying looks worse and worse to me, and that signals bias to me. I'll be back tomorrow with (hopefully) a new perspective. | ||
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:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO And that was just like, off the top of my head. Try again. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: ShotgunBiceps For fabricating a case on me, bullshitting townreads, refusing to comment on players with actual content, and for excluding me from his voting bloc. PEdit: Scum. With Hapa. | ||
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Palmar isn't mod-confirmed anything but a liar. I'll grant you that the act alone of lying so boldly to town speaks more toward a townPalmar than a scum Palmar, but this isn't a vacuum and there are other factors. First: Palmar did nothing with the discussion that was generated by his stunt. Second: If argued that his stunt was rendered ineffective due to mod-tampering, Palmar hasn't commented on a single thing that has happened in the thread OUTSIDE of his stunt, and this has been a relatively active start. Regarding DP, I didn't like his +1 to Vivax's post about ISH defending me. The context of Yamato defending me was clear - he disagreed with the logic SB was using and said as much. However, the way Vivax framed his suspicion was that Yamato should have no reason to trust me, therefor shouldn't be defending me. Except - Yamato never said anything ABOUT trusting me. He didn't like Hapa's reasoning for attacking me and said as much. It was a blatant misrepresentation of the situation. Further, DP keeps referring to Palmar calling them "confirmed town"...I remember twice, maybe three times without consulting his filter. Further, DP's point against me was ridiculous. I've been playing a very serious game so far, I've hardly derped, raged or otherwise trolled the thread...but he's like "HHMMM THAT'S A SUSPICIOUS AMOUNT OF NOT SERIOUS COMING FROM SOMEONE CLAIMING THEY'RE PLAYING SERIOUS AS AN EXCUSE ISN'T THAT ODD" Like really? That doesn't even make sense - it's not alignment indicative at all and I suspect he was just trying to fuel the VE=Scum sentiment. | ||
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You wanted to talk about DP. Talk. I've talked much. Respond. | ||
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Like, for example, Hapa has answered your question. You haven't said whether his answer was acceptable, or if you agree or disagree, or anything. Your whole big post there said absolutely nothing. Stop saying nothing and start saying something Mocsta. | ||
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But whatever, you're right I'm tunneled in after specifically trying to look at other people. Let's instead lynch Palmar/DP...because they're scum, but more importantly, I thoroughly enjoy making them angry. ##Unvote ##Vote: JohnMatrix | ||
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Kill JohnMatrix. They don't care about finding scum. They only care about lying about nuking townies. See you tomorrow thread. | ||
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Earlier when I called you out for your "contextless questions" I was attributing his play to you. I wanted more out of Prom because his initial flurry of questions were focusless, led nowhere and did nothing. I'm suspicious of him and want him in the thread explaining his shit. That bold enough for you? | ||
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I went from mafia to silly-town on Hapa over the course of some posts last night, Hapa seemed to get a bit more reasonable even if my better half continued to provoke him a little, so we'll see where he goes from here. VE was right earlier in the day about Prome, his joke posts were tryhard and I don't understand at all what point he's trying to get at here. If we are indeed mafia, what kind of magical response is he expecting to elicit that will help confirm/deny this read? Anyways, I could kill him for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: FondleMyButtocks ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 20:41 VIVAX420 wrote: I agree with having everyone nuke themselves. Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea. JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra. -kush kush, please explain to me why you believe JM to be 95% town. ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 20:48 John Matrix wrote: What marv asked, that's really strange. Also gj marv, I was about to yell at VE for being bad/scum. I ask because I'd like to know if he had his own thoughts on it and why, or if he was just piggybacking people. ~marv | ||
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Well I want him to earn that shit. He needs to stop being a useless fuck - especially now that he's confirmed town. Stop being a useless little shit Palmar. | ||
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I'm interested in this Vivax thing that's going around. That thang has a high chance of being scum, I agree with Prom's points on them and some of the stuff mentioned I noticed as well (Syllo's thoughts on Kush saying "Ya dude Vivax totes scummy" and Prom mentioning Kush wanting to lynch over half the game) so I'm interested in where that goes. Anyway I'm verboten from placing votes so all you get are my thoughts. I think Vivax scummy too. | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:24 raynmaster wrote: FiveTouch was that marv or VE answering to the nuke? /rayn As mentioned at the beginning of the game, I will be signing my posts. I imagine you can deduce the rest. ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 23:35 raynmaster wrote: So if Palmar is town and VE was answering that post it makes FiveTouch's response even more suspicious in my eyes. Here's another fact. If FT is town and JM is scum and actually has a nuke, who is to say they did not actually nuke and PM-cancel it instantly to look town to SLJ? /rayn I'd appreciate it if you stopped talking nonsense. Go back and read what SLJ said about the nuke and the host reaction, and realise that what you're saying is pretty likely to not be true. Please also explain why it made VE's response 'even more suspicious' because I don't see anything of the sort. Looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing to me. ~marv | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:50 FiveTouch wrote: LOL Lynch him if that's real. makes you think he's scummier than if it were me, or indeed scummy at all. I want to know exactly why, so far you keep dancing around the subject and I can't understand your viewpoint at all. ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying. | ||
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On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well dood is scum parbably That's nice. I'd rather kill you instead though. How about that? ##Unvote ##Vote: NeutralSrvivingBalrog On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: also phagga for someone with a name thats probably offensive to gay doods you sure chose a gay hydra name it isn't offensive to gay doods in the slighest, never fear. ~marv | ||
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~marv P.S. less of the old please <3 | ||
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On April 14 2013 06:24 John Matrix wrote: This post slightly concerns me, especially if sandroba wrote it, slightly less if syllo wrote it (I think it was syllo). The reason being simply that a normal game of this size has 9 town 3 scum. We know town is one player down, so assuming no roles at all scum is a tiny bit ahead compared to normal balance of these kinda games. So I think it's not a given that scum has a nuke, in fact I kinda doubt they do, I actually think the most reasonable setup has the two town roles (1 of each) and no scum nuke. The vigilante shot (nuke) is too unreliable anyway. Also it again surprises me slightly that we haven't just made the guy who has the nuke claim that he has it and use it for a double lynch today? Sandroba, having previously created a plan to use nukes in that fashion, clearly should have noticed that possibility. Double lynching is incredibly town favored. We can either do it today or tomorrow, but since our nuke-dude cannot be roleblocked but could be randomly night-killed, why not just do it today? So when the nuke deadline hits (12h before the lynch) we nuke the guy with the most votes, then we ignore him and lynch someone else. There's some things I don't like about this, and things I disagree for other reasons. I don't feel confident at all that where my vote is 12 hours before the deadline is necessarily who I want to be killing. Probability is only 1/8 that the Nuke dude gets hit tonight, and results of a nuke tomorrow should be WAY more reliable. Secondly, about the 9/3, 8/3 thing. I have specific insight on this; I spoke with Artanis after Hydra 1 and said that I found the hydra format pretty town favoured in general (by nature of townies having 2 heads to find mafia, whereas mafia have 2 heads who have to keep up a deception). That game was 7/2, and I suggested 8/3 to him as a better balance, indeed the balance we have here. So I don't think it's right to say that 8/3 is 'mafia-favoured' because while that's true normally, in the instance of a hydra game the dynamics are different. so assuming that mafia don't have a nuke because 8/3 is nominally mafia-favoured I think is an incorrect way to approach the situation. ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 06:49 SamuelLJackson wrote: And we want a nuke to be shot down. It not only confirms the person who fired the anti-nuke, but to a lesser degree the person targeted by the nuke. While mafia knows this, they may still gamble that there is no anti-nuker. This seems a bit of a stretch, no? ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 06:51 SamuelLJackson wrote: If no one claims shooting the nuke, not at all Well yes, but that's another piece of the puzzle entirely. ~marv P.S. s&b I don't really care, if you make me think you're not mafia I'll stop voting for you, it's a pretty simple process. | ||
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That was surprisingly unhelpful and weird. ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 11:17 MockArmor wrote: Marv dear. I'm a simple minded man, and trying to wrap my ahead around this. Please assist. Does the above suggest that is it extremely likely that "FT" / "JM" / "SLJ" are town. As, I can not wrap my head around why else they would be valid NK targets worthy of discussion so early into Day1. Catching up on the thread atm, came to this. No, I wasn't actually implying that all those 3 are town (although I have tentative town reads on the 2 that aren't me), rather the fact that sand/syllo/palmar/dp/me/VE are reasonably likely night-kill targets if we're town. I was referring to... Palmar's? post about nuking Day 1 / the likelihood of being able to nuke day 2. ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 17:23 SamuelLJackson wrote: Actually rather explain your read on Touchey. Besides what I noted earlier, their activity has remained low and I don't like the comment about me having a 0% track record on him. It's a) not true (in chrono I was initially, but not in the end wrong about him) b) a claim mafia from my experience is more likely to make. Er... can we have some, like, clarity on who is being called what? I had assumed I/VE were being referred to as "Touchey" and the like, but apparently this is referring to FondleMyButtocks. Cue me wasting my time to see if our filter contained anything to do with syllo's reads on me because that made no sense to me. Anyways, rayn seems to be a pretty hot topic at the moment. I got a kinda townie feeling from him with his stupid/dumb read of being suspicious of VE's reaction to the 'nuke'. I pressed him on it a few times, and it felt like he was legitimately trying to explain it to me rather than just saying it for the sake of saying it, even though it's nonsense. ~marv | ||
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SLJ, I assume FMB is still your favoured target? ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 20:13 raynmaster wrote: Thats not the point of DP's case and his reasoning on why he thinks im scummy. Why are you still living in the past? Comment on current ongoings, dont be like palmar please. What do you think of his random long post btw and the reads he expressed? I don't give a shit about DP's case, I'm commenting on the feelings *I* have got from you so far. Now shoo. ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 20:29 SamuelLJackson wrote: It's a really annoying, pointless argument. They kind of seem invested in the argument, but it's a bit difficult to believe that they are arguing something of relevance. So do you read anything alignment-wise out of it? ~marv | ||
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You did the same "I'm not going to speak with you any more" last game on me and it was really irritating, because I was town. ~marv | ||
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Mockarmor/raynmaster - could you summarise in like 3-4 bulletpoints with 1 sentence explanations exactly why you think the other is mafia? Everything is so spread out, basically I just want to know what you both think you're seeing that I should be looking for. Ta. ~marv | ||
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"who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore" ... "We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle." I hope he doesn't talk like this in real life, or if he does, his friends punch him in the face for doing so. Has this really long pointless bout of questioning with rayn that leads absolutely nowhere, then WoC is mafia even though his questions on rayn were never satisfactorily answered. This seems weird to me. But it's all so much of a mindfuck to me that I don't think I can be confident in any sort of read on him today. Might well be mafia, but meh. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 00:45 John Matrix wrote: I still don't get the vivax town read, and sammy is scum. But we can deal with that later. Buttocks I agree with you on and I'm perfectly fine with killing him, pending final reading of day 1. Hey Palmar, if you're convinced SLJ is mafia, does this factor in at all to who you want to be pushing today? FMB has been SLJ's most consistent push today, no? ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 01:03 John Matrix wrote: Not at all. I think I wrote a post on it somewhere in some post-game or something, or maybe I mentioned it in the video. Making associative tells based on information that you don't have is simply giving weapons to the mafia. I may be wrong on one or the other, maybe one is throwing the other in front of the bus, who knows? It's generally best to make reads based on people's own posts, not allow a third party to become part of your feeling towards another player. For example, I would in addition to those two be willing to lynch the Balrog and Vivax, so I'm clearly wrong on at least one read, since they cannot all be scum. I don't know which one of these I'm wrong on, so it'd be strictly stupid to discount anyone that one of these four players pushes. Hell, add in that DP is pretty convinced reynmaster is mafia, so that'd be 5 people whose targets we can't attack? Ridiculous. Fair enough, I mainly mentioned it because you sound quite convinced that SLJ is mafia. It was possible how sure you were meant maybe you would make associative tells like that. I've not gone back over FMB yet, one thing that worries me is that I know Prome generally has little time and phagga is *never* active on the weekends. Gonna want to find much more than inactivity I guess. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote: to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested. Then you're pretty blind. ~marv | ||
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On April 14 2013 05:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote: you haven't given a reason on why you think we're scum besides "bad case". Even if the case would be bad (i leave that up to prom to debate), you should be aware that townies can make bad cases too. So what exactly makes us scum? phagga is basically pawning off responsibility for the case that their hydra made on to the other half of the hydra. I particularly don't like it because according to Prome, Vivax420 is phagga's main scumread as well, so he should be willing to defend the case on him. Not a peep though. ~marv | ||
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I'll tell you that the reason I said "Lynch them if that's real" was that anyone who insta-shoot a real nuke with no discussion is scummy as fuck. If we had gotten a host notification that the nuke was real, my vote would have INSTANTLY gone to JM, because by my estimation if Palmar/DP shot a nuke like that, it meant they were scum. Now, I'm curious to know why you think I panicked when the shot went off, because I think I reacted fairly well considering I had an inherent fear of being insta-nuked anyway because Draz is in the game. XD But even if you think I panicked, why does that indicate that I'm scum? Would a townie who is told that a nuke is heading his way not "panic" as well? I just can't understand the reasoning for your assertions. Oh, and I'm back bitches. Scum, panic because I'm not hungover. | ||
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On April 15 2013 01:15 John Matrix wrote: to be perfectly fair it also worries me how little your other head is invested. YOU GO TO HELL! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!!! | ||
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On April 14 2013 03:54 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Secondly, I don't know VE very well, and I'm generally pretty terrible at reading him. I've played 2 games with him, both of which he was scum and both of which I had gut-town reads on him for the first few days. Also if I'm "scummy as fuck" or whatever, where's your vote? Where's your push? All I see is you tryign to justify that I'm scummy to my partner instead of going anywhere with it. There's this quote from Hapa where he basically admits to being not too familiar with VE's meta, and yet he spent post after post saying what he did and didn't expect from a town or mafia VE. For someone admitting he doesn't know VE very well, he sure did a lot of arguing about what VE would and wouldn't do. I also don't particularly know where he's going at the moment. That said I can't really convince myself I want to lynch him today, his posts don't feel disgusting to me like they normally do when he's mafia. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 01:51 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: I just got home early and now have the job of reading through the thread. Not spoken to my other head yet but I'm sure he won't object to this (And even if he does its not like me and snb will ever agree on anything anyway ) ##Nuke: FiveTouch So, do you actually have a nuke? You can't launch it now anyway. Pretty tempting just to policy lynch you to get you out of the way to be honest. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:00 VIVAX420 wrote: why can't he launch it now wtf Read the OP ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:04 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Moreso mocking Rayn for the weaksauce call out regarding the Palmar fake nuke. @Marv. Yamato seems to be more convinced that Hapa is town. I'm not there yet although I'm not sure I wholly get all of Yamato's reasons for suspecting him in the first place. Do you mind walking me through your whole suspicion of Biceps? From my perspective it's reasonably simple. There's things that pull both ways. I find his early push on VE ludicrous. 'Objectively' scummy and all that nonsense, and he pushed it for an unnaturally long amount of time. Could be interpreted as a pretty typical case of a mafia jumping on something that looks scummy but really isn't. This is exacerbated by the fact that Hapa later states that he doesn't actually know VE's meta very well, despite taking a very long time talking about what he expects from a town VE, how town VE likes to do this and that. And yet he's not that familiar with his meta. ARAJGSDJKGHDSJKGH. Additional to this is how I have very little idea right now of who he wants to kill and why. Hapa is usually pretty clear with his suspicions but his presence in the thread is pretty low since the first half of the day and he's meandering about. On the other side is the fact that he backed out of it before it really was too late and that although I find his early posts really stupid, I don't find them horrible either. His posting in Mario/Duel Mafia gave me the creeps and he was mafia in both. I don't want to kill him today because his alignment should become much clearer over another cycle. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:24 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Marv, I could say similar things about you; who DO you want to lynch? This is Yamato, by the way. I'll let you know when it's me since geript is also here. You couldn't, because I'm in the thread discussing things ^_^ From what I've seen so far, FMB, with trepidation. Not finished reading though. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote: LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch. I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC Tell us why ~marv | ||
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Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch? Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked. syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:10 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Also who posted that vote on me? Was that Rayn or Oats? Almost certainly rayn, lol. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:21 John Matrix wrote: ##unvote ##vote fondlemybuttocks Wasn't quite the addressing of my fears that I was hoping for dear. ~marv | ||
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##Vote: FondleMyButtocks Gonna vote for him now. I'd like anyone who cares to, palmar/syllo/hapa/yamato, whoever, to talk about my concerns slightly further up though. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:27 SamuelLJackson wrote: I'm not sure if I agree with the notion that the thread has been meandering towards fmb lynch, but if prom or snb are mafia and really absent, mafia may have adapted a wait and see approach. That is, waited for the mafia to show up to defend himself. Well, it's been pretty damn clear to me to be honest. Who else do you think the thread has been wanting to lynch? There's been plenty of arguments and plenty of back and forths, some suspicions thrown around, but FMB has been the main dude people are universally suspicious of. This is the kind of thing I see players like you and Palmar talk about in obsQTs. "well when a lynch goes this easily on day 1, it's rarely on mafia." ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:30 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Fairly valid concerns, however the fact remains that Prome's play has been incredibly lacking, and that lines up pretty darn well with his scum mentality. I find it hard to believe that town-Prome would awol the thread like this. If I remember correctly, he was quite busy in Dessert Mini (as town) and really made attempts to go out of his way to be active. On Day 1, I think thread atmosphere and flow can be fairly fickle, and I'd rather resort to lynching objectively scummy players. For example, the scum-team could be lurking or just bad at deflecting attention off of their buddy. And given the most recent votecount (with votes spread amongst 5 players), I don't see this as much of a concern anywho. I feel the same about mafia Prome. Remember he only AFKed in LX after being extremely active for the first half of the day with his RNG and various other silly things. I mean, my vote is on FMB, he looks to be a decent lynch, the only thing that makes me think he's not a decent lynch is the fact that everyone thinks he's a decent lynch. If you get what I'm saying. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: Who do you want to lynch then? I don't have time to reread, though perhaps sandro will before the deadline. I've been umming and ahhing about lynching NSB, not because I can point to anything specifically scummy in his filter, but because he's even more of a lurker than FMB, and has received disproportionately less attention. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote: LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch. I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC On April 15 2013 03:14 VIVAX420 wrote: I'd lynch Neutralsurvivingbalrog. Mostly a policy lynch but I'd do it. kush On April 15 2013 03:31 VIVAX420 wrote: FMB lynch gets the kush seal of approval. I will vote it if rayn isn't happening. kush | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:38 SamuelLJackson wrote: If drazerk/snb are mafia, why did drazerk show up, make a few nonsensical posts and disappear? He doesn't seem to give a shit about his survival, which seems about what I would expect from him as town. You've been pushing both of them for being contentless all day, drazerk returns to be contentless, but now it's a town-tell because it's contentless? :< ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:40 InsertSmurfHere wrote: For the record, I would rather flip Syllo today, but even Palmar doesn't want to do that and he's the only other one that seems to think Syllo could be mafia. I think he could be mafia (VE thought so way early in the day actually), but I don't think it's a very clever play to lynch him today. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:42 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Okay, Marv. Let's lynch Prom and pray, rofl. Pretty much where I'm at my friend. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Wait we're voting for FMB? Policy on lurker Yamato? geript, can you provide examples from previous games where WoS talks about meta? I'm kinda curious. When I was looking at WoC earlier, I found him somewhat scummy (he attacked MA but then told him he wasn't scummy, had some random strong town read on Hapa) but I found the latter part of his filter better. The meta case was completely ludicrous though, but that isn't necessarily a scumtell. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:45 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I'm talking with geript and trying to figure out which of WoC/MA/RM is mafia, what do you think? I mean, one of them is LIKELY to be mafia, no? I found raynmaster somewhat townie, although VE disagrees. There's a post from me a couple of hours ago where I outline what I think about MA, he could be mafia, but he's a mindfuck. WoC I'm also completely on the fence. I've spent a tonne of time on this game today with really unsatisfactory conclusions. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:48 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Well, I guess you and I are literally at the exact same point in this game. Fuck. This game is way more complicated than the last one right? lol. Mostly I just want Palmar to come back and talk to me. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:51 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games. For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red. At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now. ##Vote: FondleMyButtocks Just saying, you could have kinda organised your time so you could read the thread more than 10 minutes before you had to cast :/ ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:08 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Marv, can I get your comments on this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=44#879 There's no real reason that he should gun (geddit) for you in that situation when he could easily make some case or vote on any of the guys he mentioned, don't you think? ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote: You seem to think it's an "unnecessary" play for scum, but I'm more reading it as he doesn't care who dies. I'm more interested in the attitude thing though - am I just remembering it wrong, or is what I pointed out about his attitude (brash as scum in newbie, more wishy-washy as town in RTP) true? I think his case has merit and if I didn't get feelings of "hapa's posting doesn't feel bad" then I'd agree with it myself. The points are reasonable. And again, I don't know why he'd make a case on you rather than an 'easy' target that he'd already mentioned. What's the point? I don't remember getting the impression that he was wishy washy in Red Team. Honestly I think he's a terrible lynch today. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:38 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Jeez where did everyone go. Need comments on Reyn. As for the SnB thing, I've noticed that too, but it's a tad against the rules to discuss out-of-game activity in this thread. Don't see it anywhere in the rules ^^ ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around? Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on. Why didn't syllo think so, sand? s&b, where are you going with that? ~marv P.S. oh yeah. I have no idea. InsertSmurfHere I think are town. probably JohnMatrix too. Other than that I have no idea. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote: i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him... you're still voting for him. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:30 VIVAX420 wrote: FMB post QT right now please ... this is out of bounds | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:11 FiveTouch wrote: I approve of this. -VE apparently VE wishes this. I'm gonna go play Starcraft instead. ##Unvote ##Vote: raynmaster | ||
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But he's not often wrong about townreads. Hence, I'm waiting to discuss it with him. | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:40 John Matrix wrote: Beer goggles is what happens when you get shitfaced drunk and usually unattractive girls become surprisingly attractive all of a sudden. It was a joke. Marv is wrong all the time about gut town reads, most relevant was his town read of scum oats last game. no i'm not wrong 'all the time'. shut your face. | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:40 ShotgunBiceps wrote: So are we going to get the details of this town-read of yours marv? i've talked about it already. | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:46 John Matrix wrote: Sammy confirmed scum. Kill him tomorrow. He is saying vivax can be scum when he should have extreme reservations about doing so if he has actually read vivax's filter. explain me now please | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:52 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I don't understand how that works for how you guys read people at all. I'm really going to have to do more hydra/shadowing because your guys trains of thought are fucking confusing at times. it's somewhat obvious but I missed it. I have a lucky angel on my shoulder though. I don't believe in it 100% but it seems to be a decent tell. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:54 John Matrix wrote: also I'm like quadruple confirmed town now, it's pretty baller on day 1, right? you're quadruple confirmed twatface more like | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:01 John Matrix wrote: list of marv gutreads on oatsscum: Town Town who was i voting for dear? ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:28 geript wrote: Well we were kinda already confirmed. Yamato and I are discussing targets. People can feel free to make arguments. ... did you just out yourself? | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:30 InsertSmurfHere wrote: It really doesn't matter. personally i like having confirmed townies. horses for courses though. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:32 InsertSmurfHere wrote: We had already decided to shoot. The question is, Syllo or NSB? I think i trust Palmar's read on syllo/sand. NSB is really a shot just to get rid of the bullcrap. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:36 John Matrix wrote: the difference is this can be reached by a consensus in the thread, whereas a vigi shot is generally not announced because of potential roleblocks and such. there are no roleblocks, there is no difference. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:55 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Syllo's words on WoC don't mean anything. Scum give out legitimate town-reads all the time. My best guess is Mock. Spends a ton of time talking about Reyn on Day 1, and does nothing to follow it up or vote him. yeah, i noticed this too. not sure how much to make of it though. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:57 InsertSmurfHere wrote: If this is true, and WoC seems town to people, then NSB is mafia. >_> yeah this game is probably solved if syllo/sand are mafia. Can't really be bothered to think about it much until the flip if I'm honest. I'll probably talk to people at length tomorrow while I'm at work, mind you. | ||
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On April 15 2013 13:24 John Matrix wrote: Remove 5touch from that list. Notice how VE was backflipping around the scum lynch and using weak as shit excuses in order to do so and marv provided resistance to my RaynMaster push when I first went after him. Basically fivetouch is null. and should be treated as such. -DP lol you're a fucking idiot. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 13:57 MockArmor wrote: Thats the best quote hahahah. If Marv is scum; thats such a hillarious truth. I think its a valid slip anyways. Town are concerned about mislynching town, but certainly not about "protecting" town.. Scum on the other hand, are trying to protect the "brotherhood". I talked about 'protecting' Oats all the time in my last towngame. If you think that's a valid slip you need your head examining. What's with people making cases on my towntells and calling them suspicious? This is the 2nd game running DP has taken towntells of mine and painted them as suspicious, I don't get it at all. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 20:19 John Matrix wrote: And then you said you WOULD NEVER DO IT AGAIN Right, and I didn't protect him, I voted him. Problem broski? If you recall there was a majority on FMB and I took active efforts to make people think about the lynch that we were wandering towards. I'm pretty happy with what I did at the end of the day even if I didn't choose the candidate we ended up on. ~marv | ||
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Me protecting him is doing what I did in the last game. "Oats isn't scum". "I'm always right about Oats, he's definitely town". Stop being dumb, it's irrirtating. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 20:31 DarthPunk wrote: You said basically the same thing this game. Stop altering the narrative of what went down to suit you. It's tiresome. And if you really are town then you are doing things (such as defending scum multiple times without much reasoning whatsoever) which are completely reasonable for others to be suspicious of. Now I know you can do stupid shit as town so I am not calling you scum. I just don't believe you are 'confirmed town' like some of these morons were saying and should be looked at like everyone else. -DP I'm pretty clearly town and the fact you can't see that is tiresome. I'm not altering the narrative, you're just being a dumbass. I can't help that. And to repeat, I took active steps to derail the FMB lynch and provided no particular alternative. If you think that was some super cunning mafia play, you need to punch yourself in the balls. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 20:37 DarthPunk wrote: You clearly are altering the narrative by brazenly stating that you did not defend oats when it is clear to the entire thread that you, in fact, did. LMAO. The crux of the matter is that you aren't confirmed town. I dare you to say that you are. Now that we agree you are not confirmed town we can stop shitting up the thread, and get back to scumhunting. What do you make of all this stuff with syllogism? I defended him a bit because I thought maybe he was town, he wasn't. For the third time, I pretty clearly did not protect him in any way because I took efforts to derail the majority on FMB and let town find a better lynch. If that's protecting, then that's the worst protection I've seen in my life. Did I ever say I was confirmed town? You said I was null, and it's patently obvious to anyone that we shouldn't be null. As for syllo, we just have to wait and see what he does today. I guess the anti-nuke can be launched right up to the deadline if he does stuff town's happy with. Anyway, Palmar has said repeatedly in the past that he can read syllo very well, and given you're pretty much guaranteed to be town, I'll be taking my cues from him most of all. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 21:28 Palmar wrote: if im wrong on syllo marv 100% scum Are you on drugs or something? | ||
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On April 15 2013 21:28 VIVAX420 wrote: Sam is looking really scummy to me right now. I thought that you couldn't undo thread nukes with pm, but his excuse that he just didn't know you could pm nukes is not likely. Not giving a shit is a huge scumtell for sandroba. He hates playing scum. in fact I don't think sandroba has been in the thread once. marv why are you even talking about saving him? not gonna happen nor should it. kush DP asked me about syllo, that's all. ~marv P.S. why don't you want to kill me this game? Is it because I'm with VE? heh. | ||
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On May 25 2012 13:49 Ver wrote: A lot of people felt Gonzaw was innocent all game. While his posts did a good job of painting himself as a try-hard townie, he did have holes and inconsistencies if you looked closely (I bet nobody did). For example, Gonzaw actually did out himself and Chaoser indirectly by treating chaoser differently in his post than anyone else.On four other people he throws around a lot of doubt and suspicion on them. Then suddenly when addressing chaoser he switches to more of a pleading town, as if trying to 'give him a chance.' Why? Gee I wonder...Those contradictions exist! Look for them! If Ver uses it as analysis, seems legit to me. ~marv | ||
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On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns. pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: As for who is scum? Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on. -CC Cool story bro ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red. Fair enough. That means if SLJ flips mafia I should be confirmed town in your mind, because there would only be 1 mafia left and therefore I could not be protecting another mafia. Agreed? ~marv | ||
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WE'RE LOOkING FOR SCUM TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ARGUING YOUR SHITTY FUCKING LOGIC DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKNIG FOR SCUM | ||
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On April 16 2013 01:55 John Matrix wrote: I caught scum day one. Despite the resistance from yourself. You don't have the right to call me fucking useless buddy. -DP Yes, I do. Because you're telling us what to do while just ranting around like a deranged buffoon. That's what you're doing. It's useless. ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 01:55 John Matrix wrote: I caught scum day one. Despite the resistance from yourself. You don't have the right to call me fucking useless buddy. -DP On April 16 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote: RAYN WASN'T EVEN AN OPTION UNTIL MARV TALkED YOU LOT INTO SWITCHING DP WHAT THE HOLY FUCK JUST LOOK ELSEWHERE AND STOP WASTING YORU FUCKING TIME WE'RE LOOkING FOR SCUM TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ARGUING YOUR SHITTY FUCKING LOGIC DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKNIG FOR SCUM aj;vlnqerlbnqrbqerbn | ||
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On April 16 2013 01:57 ShotgunBiceps wrote: FiveTouch, just to note, neither of you has done any scumhunting since raynmaster flipped. There's not much to be done until syllo/sand flip. Assuming they're mafia, mafia is between NSB/WoC I guess. Don't see much scumhunting in your filter since rayn flipped either <3 ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 02:02 SamuelLJackson wrote: So why were you voting for this "obviously townie" player? Anyway, I don't think there is an anti-nuker, so instead of wasting my time writing a bigger cast post, I'll just point to Palmar's reads, which I largely agree with. Sheep him. Which reads in particular do you agree with? ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote: Yes, he's probably town. ~marv I just got shouted at for saying this I'll leave this one till later. ~marv | ||
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N1: 5-3 > NK D2: 4-3 > LYLO Yeah balancewise it doesn't make sense to give town and scum or scum and scum a nuker and not give town an anti-nuker imo. That could end the game at D2 which seems imbalanced to me. | ||
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I'm not talking about my feelings for SLJ. He gonna die, I'll figure out how I feel about it after he flips. I'm talking about WHEN he flips. If SLJ flips scum, the town-aligned anti-nuker should claim immediately. My reasoning is that if the scum wants to fake-claim anti-nuker, they'll have to do so immediately and essentially trade 1 for 1 with the real anti-nuker. Plus it gives us a confirmed town for the lynch. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: I'm willing to accept I was wrong about my meta read on Mocsta and the amount of pushing he has done as well as what I mentioned regarding Rayn and possibly NSB's push makes him look townier. I'm not 100% on MA but null leaning town on him now. I absolutely hate kush's posting but they were right about Rayn pretty early, and Vivax's posting has been good. Town - I'm fairly sure CC and I agree on that front. I'm leaving my thoughts on FT close to the chest right now partially because I can't afford to get into an argument with marv right now. I scurred of him. There's nothing close to the chest about your feelings toward this slot - marv would have nothing to argue with you about unless you think he's scum. So you think he's scum. Why would you say you're keeping your thoughts on us a secret and then proceed to tell us what the secret is? | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:19 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: Makes lylo easier for the rest of the town. As far as I see it thats a win. We just lynched scum, we ahead son. Just put your gameface on and find scum, you have no reason to martyr right now if you're town. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:29 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: @wave my qt is retardes on thia phone. You dont need to talk to me about your reads. they are your reads. we have different opinions. Just say them instead of saying that we need to talk. All ill do is disagree and youll feel shotty or something. just say your reads man This. DP all up in our ass because I didn't bring my suspicion of rayn to the thread, opting to talk it out with marv in the QT. As a result, all there's EVIDENCE of is soft-defending scum. Just share what you got and we see what we see. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:56 MockArmor wrote: I mean, this guy hasn't really made any cases, pops in and says "Hi guys! I'll vote for the leader. Kthx bye!" He says nothing of what he thinks about FMB here. He just throws down a vote and afks... He doesn't followup at all on his reads on Rayne or myself... This guy shows no real investment in the game... I mean FMB's definitely scummy looking, but at its heart it feels more like a lurker lynch than anything else... And lurker lynches are stupidly easy for scum to get behind without real fallout later. It just doesn't make sense to me in a game where we could hypothetically have day 2 LYLO that we're pretty much policy lurker lynching someone. This came up at a point where the rayn wagon had not taken off. SB had mentioned rayn and was looking for comments, and aside from marv (who disagreed X() no one else seemed interested, but this one stuck out to me because he actually MENTIONS rayn in the context of Cheese not "following up on his suspicion" of rayn, but Moc himself wasn't commenting on SB's points on rayn. Conversely it's in keeping with the sentiment of switching, which ultimately favored town (unless FMB is scum too, those are always the worst days to analyze though AMIRITE?) so I'd like everyone else' thoughts too. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:59 SamuelLJackson wrote: By this theory, pehaps we should look into waveofcheese then. I'll see what I can dig up. This also comes up after SB calls out for comments on rayn. | ||
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Both heads are in agreement - activity is the defining factor in town owning so hard and this lurker is anti-town right now. He's said nothing since the scum lynch and almost immediate scum-nuking so this is a good lynch today. | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:03 John Matrix wrote: claim immediately pls if you're UED thingee. This, I find it exceedingly hard to believe we don't have one. | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:07 John Matrix wrote: Also not sure on balrog. must think, should talk to my other head when he's around. I'm not scum bish don't let him tell you otherwise. | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:08 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: Ok now if you lynch me its not Mylo... Please don't ever sign up to a game ever again if you don't intend to play. It's completely and utterly unacceptable. Realistically this is banworthy behaviour. ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:11 Hapahauli wrote: I don't even care if NSB is scum. We lynch him because he refuses to allow us to read him. If he's town, both of them should be banned for some time. Ugh don't say scummy shit right when I start to think you're town HAPA! FUCK! | ||
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The greater picture is that we have 3 lynches, and if you're town you're taking up a lynch for no reason. You should be banned for playing like this. ~marv | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:14 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: its drazerk thats how he plays every game IS this how YOU play every game you shit? Help us out here. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:56 MockArmor wrote: I mean, this guy hasn't really made any cases, pops in and says "Hi guys! I'll vote for the leader. Kthx bye!" He says nothing of what he thinks about FMB here. He just throws down a vote and afks... He doesn't followup at all on his reads on Rayne or myself... This guy shows no real investment in the game... I mean FMB's definitely scummy looking, but at its heart it feels more like a lurker lynch than anything else... And lurker lynches are stupidly easy for scum to get behind without real fallout later. It just doesn't make sense to me in a game where we could hypothetically have day 2 LYLO that we're pretty much policy lurker lynching someone. It's admittedly a little weak, and to be frank NSB fits the bill for exactly the same reason in this post if I'm wrong and Moc is town... On April 15 2013 04:45 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 11:49 MockArmor wrote: @WaveofCheesecake: I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away. Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that. In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation. Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?: So here's a question for you: Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit... Posting the quote as a reminder: -GK On April 14 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote: So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.: Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this. You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.: Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.: Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense... Instead, let's make more pointless posts.: O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now. Both of these strike me as needlessly aggressive defenses. What I mean is that they're both putting a lot of effort into defending themselves without doing the corresponding amount of effort scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing. And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it. Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't. In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way. Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.) Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around. The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot. Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry. NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff. This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty. Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times. The bolded hypothetical seems to me a pretty good explanation for what wos finds peculiar in mocsta's play. additionally, the other bolded thing. + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2013 00:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I'm in the same boat as Marv. People I am not willing to lynch: FT/Shotgun/JM/SLJ/Vivax That leaves: Raynmaster/MockArmor/Balrog/FMB/WoC Mock is involved in the most idiotic arguing in the game and seems to want to perpetuate the fighting with both WoC and Rayn. I actually feel that out of the three actives in this group, they are the most likely to be mafia. WoC actually seems more townish throughout this whole ordeal, since I think they've made more of an effort to clarify their stance and actually make a case on Mock, even if the meta argument is weak. Rayn is a fucking tossup, and I'm not at all sure of their alignment. I would rather not lynch into them yet. Balrog is a lurker lynch that I'd rather avoid, but simply by process of elimination has to be mafia if I'm right about all my town reads. That said, it's probably better to lynch a more active person, as a rule of thumb. Prom's hydra looks pretty awful. They've done almost nothing today, and I know Prom as someone that likes to get into the thick of things. What they have done is also not what I call good scum hunting, so it's a decent tell that they are lazy scum. Out of this comes two choices for lynch. Next post I decide which of Mock and Fondle is the better lynch. this seems like a decent summary of how i feel about it. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 00:26 MockArmor wrote: No it doesn't explain the situation at all. For brevity once more + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 23:45 raynmaster wrote: From what i remember Palmar has a lot of meta on VE. VE could think Palmar is actually nuking him for a reason. Also the answer to their post came pretty quick and without thinking it much further. If it was marv i would think you would have thought about the possibilities from every perspective before posting a response. As it was VE, it's more likely that you guys actually are scum. Not sure though. I gotta consult Oats about what he does think of you guys. /rayn On April 13 2013 23:53 MockArmor wrote: Why do you feel the need to post in the thread to contribute; and then limp-dick finish with "I need to consult with my partner." This aligns very much with what Syllo said earlier - and from my experience in Hydra 1, I 100% agree. On April 13 2013 18:31 SamuelLJackson wrote: In a hydra format players should be more confident in sharing their thoughts and lacking the need to comment on irrelevant things as they can discuss things with their partner. Meanwhile mafia still feels the pressure of posting.. Let us re-cap the situation thus far:
If you are incapable of contributing to the thread, due to weak meta history; or, needing to reference with your partner in general. Why post in the first place? Before trying to bullshit me: keep in mind, I was scum in the last Hydra game. Henceforth why I agreed in full with the Syllo quote, which I will post for you one more time. P.S. Im not quoting this post, because Syllo saying it makes it valid. Im quoting it because he said it in better words than I. I also think there's an element of hypocrisy in giving advice to town, which is one of my favorite scumhunting heuristics. I've described it more in depth before, but basically scum love to give good advice to town on how to play, but they don't have any intrinsic motivation to follow that advice later. So when players give good advice to town and then don't indicate that they are keeping that advice in mind later, they're scum. The specific instance: in the middle of engaging in a pretty pointless back-and-forth about minutiae, mockarmor tells his opponent that people shouldn't be posting unless they ahve something to say, and they shouldn't be posting about talking to their hydra partner. However, i would argue that the whole tunnely argument was just such an exchange, since it wasn't designed to tell us more about either player (certainly mockarmor would say so but that's not the sense I get) and it just gives both sides something to rant about. some other examples: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 03:32 MockArmor wrote: Whats a read on a null tell.. lol? On April 14 2013 04:04 MockArmor wrote: Hes going to sleep. And im very content with where "our" vote is. Regardless; I have said my piece, and laid my out my vote. Won't comment any further till I have had a chance to discuss with my other slot. Night. On April 14 2013 03:46 MockArmor wrote: Are you implying that because "i'm so high" you can not be held accountable? put all the quotes in spoilers so ppl wont be like omg hes augmenting his filter also putting this in spoiler for the same reason + Show Spoiler [ascii penis] + …………………...„„-~^^~„-„„_ ………………„-^*'' : : „'' : : : : *-„ …………..„-* : : :„„--/ : : : : : : : '\ …………./ : : „-* . .| : : : : : : : : '| ……….../ : „-* . . . | : : : : : : : : | ………...\„-* . . . . .| : : : : : : : :'| ……….../ . . . . . . '| : : : : : : : :| ……..../ . . . . . . . .'\ : : : : : : : | ……../ . . . . . . . . . .\ : : : : : : :| ……./ . . . . . . . . . . . '\ : : : : : / ….../ . . . . . . . . . . . . . *-„„„„-*' ….'/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . '| …/ . . . . . . . ./ . . . . . . .| ../ . . . . . . . .'/ . . . . . . .'| ./ . . . . . . . . / . . . . . . .'| '/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .'| '| . . . . . \ . . . . . . . . . .| '| . . . . . . \„_^- „ . . . . .'| '| . . . . . . . . .'\ .\ ./ '/ . | | .\ . . . . . . . . . \ .'' / . '| | . . . . . . . . . . / .'/ . . .| | . . . . . . .| . . / ./ ./ . .| PS i guess drazerk posted something? ...but frankly the whole martyr thing has me doubting it's NSB simply because we only have 1 scum left. Rather than subjectively playing against his win-condition if he's town, he's LITERALLY playing against his win-condition if he's scum requesting town lynch him. Marv disagrees with me, but we thought it was worth bringing to the thread. What do you guys think? | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:17 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: i think drazerk shouldn't be martyring and that you should all kill him for doing it Okay belay that town, I'm taking this as scum concession. GG guys. | ||
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Interesting - why not claim scum if you really feel like it's in town's best interest to lynch you? Does that not seem like the fastest course to an NSB lynch? Why put on the show if anytime someone calls you scum you're like "No I'm not scum! But lynch me anyway!" | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:26 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: Trust me if I were scum I'd just PM the hosts and end it s&b I never took you for someone like this. What's going on? ~marv | ||
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SnB/Draz say it's in town's best interest to lynch him. SnB/Draz don't want to be lynched, in spite of calling for their own lynch as made evidenced by this post: If it's in town's best interest to lynch SnB/Draz, why would SnB/Draz care if I call him scum? He wants to get lynched anyway right? Right guys? | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:29 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: We are playing we're just waiting too long and not moving of us as a topic... You're not taking any initiative in looking for scum - who cares if we move off you as a target. You're not even TRYING to find scum or make reads for when you're confirmed. You're calling for your own lynch while simultaneously trying not to get lynched. Just concede sir. | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:32 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: I have no idea what my other head is doing SnB just wants to spite me What do you mean? Are you scum? Are you trying to concede and he not letting you? Or do you mean you're trying to get lynched but SnB trying to get you not lynched? Who do you think is scum and why? | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:27 FiveTouch wrote: s&b I never took you for someone like this. What's going on? ~marv I'll repeat this at s&b. What gives? ~marv | ||
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thanks to artanis and the excellent votecount bitch. ~marv | ||
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