Hydra Mini Mafia II - Extra Nuke Edition - Page 3

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:05 GMT

#393

On April 13 2013 10:57 FiveTouch wrote:
And for the record, this whole situation could have likely been avoided had you invited me into your voting bloc in the first place. Just sayin.

Yeah I did kinda steal your idea from the podcast =/

Though I wasn't planning to do anything with it. Just early-game banter.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:06 GMT

#395

Also before I forget:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&user=47519
^Hapa Filter. Apparently I have like 10 posts in there weeeee.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:11 GMT

#399

On April 13 2013 11:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
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On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote:

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Why no hate for CC? Because that post isn't "critical" at all, and it made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town.

As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons:
1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar
2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level.
3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time.

Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already.

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What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business.

I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now.

VE going watch the grass grow isn't detracting of discussion or not-trolly either. Is watching the grass grow a legit hobby where you come from?

I don't know why you're beleaguering the point since I dropped this already.

That being said, I had read into his tone (at the time) as more vitriolic rather than troll-y.

On April 13 2013 11:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Ok Hapa, but how do you feel about DP? Even if you discount the ability to read Palmer at this point can't you attempt to read based on DP?

<- not yamato

Well there's nothing alignment-indicative in DP's filter either. I probably should have tunneled him, though he's on to my strategies o.O

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:16 GMT

#401

On April 13 2013 11:13 FiveTouch wrote:
Repeatedly referring to one's self as "confirmed town" without saying how or why, using it to strengthen his position, is not eyebrow-raising to you Hapa?

It's Palmar. His early Day 1 mentality is to do random provocative stuff like that.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:19 GMT

#405

On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes.

You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie.

Who me?

I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake
*shrug*

As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:22 GMT

#406

On April 13 2013 11:18 FiveTouch wrote:
Like I just don't get it. 1)Why are you so willing to invent a narrative that explains MY actions from a scum perspective

but you're unwilling to make a read on anyone else.

Huhwhat? What do you mean unwilling? I've been pretty darn open with my reads thusfar.

Hell we're on hour 2 of this game, I can't exactly go and make a read on everrrrrryone. I'd like to think I've done quite a bit in the "read-sharing" thing, even if my read on you wasn't as justified as it should have been.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:24 GMT

#408

On April 13 2013 11:22 VIVAX420 wrote:
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On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote:

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Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image.
I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives.

Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you.

And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:27 GMT

#411

On April 13 2013 11:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
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On April 13 2013 11:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote:

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Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you.

And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing.

You deserved that middle finger. First you called my posts summarizing, then I argued why they weren't, then you ignored it and put something else on top. I know when I'm arguing against people who don't want to listen, for whatever reason.

Oh I missed a part of that explanation.

Point is I thought the middle-finger thing was genuine and townie hence I'm not interested in you right now.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:29 GMT

#412

On April 13 2013 11:27 FiveTouch wrote:
Oh GOD contribution bloating too? Tunnel VE = doing more than everyone else. That's more dismissive of what's been happening in the thread than ANYTHING I've said in this game to date.

Say what you want about the content, but I think it's pretty clear that I care about finding scum. I mean I have 60 posts (including the Hapa-filter) in 2 hours.

Ugh, maybe you're right Hapa, time may be what's needed here. Like everything you're saying looks worse and worse to me, and that signals bias to me.

I'll be back tomorrow with (hopefully) a new perspective.

Alrighty well gnite.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:32 GMT

#413

Yamato you around?

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:45 GMT

#416

Booo. You're not the one tunneling me. Oh well.

I'm just going to get to Yamato's case and post some thoughts before I retire for tonight

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 02:53 GMT

#419

Just ask host to send you a role PM

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 03:03 GMT

#420

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&currentpage=15#299

Regarding Yamato's Case

Bascically three points:
1) I buddied him
2) I'm "trying too hard" to buddy him
3) BS case on VE

In order...

1) Buddying is a mischaracterization of my goals. I just tried to strike up a conversation with the first person I saw in the thread, which happened to be the geript-half of the hydra.

Secondly, the logic of "buddying the hydra" doesn't really hold, since you are both separate entities. Me getting on good terms with geript does nothing to influence your opinion or view of me. And with all respect to geript, there are plenty of better players to buddy in this game if I were scum :3

2) As far as me "trying really hard" - it's silly early Day 1 talk. Though the read on gerpit at the time was genuine, since he seemed to be taking certain posts more seriously than they were intended, and seemed very earnest in doing so. Case in point:

On April 13 2013 08:03 InsertSmurfHere wrote:

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That was a quick pronouncement... Why you think that? Why you reading them differently when they're one head?

3) The whole "case on VE" thing has been beaten to death. The basic point is that I thought VE was scummy at the time. As far as "hapa can't be this bad", I kinda do this all the time as town. If you don't believe me, DP and Prome can attest to my early Day 1 tunnels.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 03:10 GMT

#423

Anyway read-wise, I don't think it'll be good for me to force a bunch of reads when I'm sleepy and slightly tilted. Of the people that have posted, my only concern is Prome at this point, and I posted somewhere in my filter why that was the case.

Still fairly null on VE, though I need a clearer head before I attempt a read on him again. Yamato/Geript are most definitely town. There are certain posts from Vivax that strike me as genuine, so a slight town-read to him.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 03:14 GMT

#424

Oh yah suspicions on prome were in the hapafilter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&currentpage=19#371

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 03:19 GMT

#426

On April 13 2013 12:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I have the towniest of townreads on Hapa. I'm probably going to buddy the fuck out of you this game, so prepare for my shenanigans.

Other than that, game needs more expounding on heuristics. And grass.

Again >>

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 06:50 GMT

#447

Dude, I just woke up to see something like a case on my partner, decided to wait commenting on it until I had read the thread, and saw that there are very little opinions on people not called Hapa. You tunneling bro? The entire thread is revolving around Hapa and what he said. How often is it that the person everyone tunnels on from the start is scum? Like atleast 2/3 of all posts have been about Hapa or what he said on VE. I think you are much more likely to find scum in the ones who don't take a stance on this whole drama. Look at VIVAX420 flip-flopping his stance on the issue, calling both Yamato and Hapa scummy at one point and nullish at others.

On April 13 2013 09:28 VIVAX420 wrote:
Come on, some people didn't even post and I'm not guaranteeing for anyone but early tunnels for stupid reasons are something we don't need.

Hapa attacks VE cause he thinks he said anti-town stuff, yamato attacks Hapa cause he says it's not anti-town from VE.
→ not-so-good reasons from both sides. But Hapa's argument could fit into a policy against anti-town play, yamato's possible motives for defending VE and keeping up the comfy tunnel..I find scummy.

All I saw of relevance was Yamato defending FT and then denying that he's defending him, coupled with an early tunnel and excessive aggression.

On April 13 2013 10:11 VIVAX420 wrote:
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Your and yamato's arguments: Not good.
Your arguments against VE: Bad, not scummy.
Yamato's actions: Possibly scum motivated. But I'll wait for more and especially for the non-posters to post.

On April 13 2013 11:04 VIVAX420 wrote:
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Either way, I think yamato's push might or might not have been genuine, but same goes for Hapa. What I dislike about Hapa is that he went over to attacking my play for reasons I dislike, but I might be biased here.

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Look at how noncommital he is when he says these things. Especially the bolded parts. Scum don't like to take definite stances on these kind things. They like to wait around in the middle of the argument until they see bandwagon forming.

Just-before-post-edit: I realise some of this doesn't stand anymore since atleast some of have quit the tunneling, but otherwise it's perfectly valid.

ShotgunBiceps

171 Posts

April 13 2013 06:54 GMT

#449

VE, what happened to the whole "taking time thing?"

I made a bad case against you. Shit happens. So either you can dwell on it and spend the entire day tunneling the most active presence in the thread or you can take a deep breath and understand that I had a little derp moment.