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Well marv, you successfully made me feel better about you. I still think you could be scum, but some of my concerns are alleviated, and I have no interest in lynching you today. So let's talk about some stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
Just to repeat, you spent half a very long analysis post defending someone who was under attack from one person, and attacked someone else who I thought and still think is clearly a bad lynch. In doing so, you completely ignored WoS who had been under some suspicion, and who may yet still be mafia. I didn't / do not understand why you devoted so much of that post to talking about someone quite townie in iamp rather than talking about someone much more controversial in WoS, who you left until much later. This not-talking-about WoS, in conjunction with the long (in my opinion kinda weird) post on iamp and Oats, gave me more the feeling of that mini you rolled mafia, where the primary determinant of seeing you as mafia is that although your posts looked ok, you seemed pretty disconnected with the thread, whereas as town you're much more in the thick of things. At any rate, even though it took ~48 hours, you now ARE more in the thick of things (even if it is with suspicion of me) and so I'm backing down from thinking you're a good lynch right now.
It seems we had different reads on the thread temperature at the time. It seemed to me that you had some sort of scumread on iamp, Palmar's vote was on him, and DP also had a substantial scumread. I didn't have the feeling that WoS was a more pressing issue.
Anyway, I can see the reasoning that you might have used to think I am scum. Yesterday, my impression was "meh a couple of things felt off to me about scib so sure let's kill him why not". But, I now see that you thought you had a reason to be concerned that I was talking about Iamp and not WoS (who I then later defended), and I think more townie of you for your WoS + scib paranoia.
Also, I can see you trying and failing to correctly use a couple of heuristics:
- that people that attack Oats are scum
- and that scib is out of touch with the thread as scum
It also makes me feel better that you now have a townread on Palmar and have reservations about lynching me.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
In any case, if a scum-marv wanted to get you lynched, dear, I'd make sure I did so in a pretty airtight fashion. Literally every single vote I ever cast as mafia is backed up by "rock solid" reasoning, to prevent stuff like *this* happening to me. What's happening right here happens to me when I'm town; e.g. Personality I was attacked for throwing votes around Day 1, e.g. "##vote: Stutters. let's see how this goes" Or in Fruity mafia a mafia Toad spent his entire time alive (until i had him killed) trying to discredit me for a vote I put on him which had very little reasoning other than "yeah i agree with sand". Anyone with any passing familiarity with my scumplay should know I never look bad for my votes. It's just basic stuff.
I'm not thinking about this argument too much.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
I was feeling pretty good about this game yesterday afternoon because Palmar had the same two reads I had with basically the same reasoning. Except I fleshed out why I found WoS scummier and Palmar ended up on my wagon, and Palmar fleshed out why he found sciberbia scummier and I ended up on his wagon, but I'm mafia? If nothing else this is monumentally inconsistent and confusing.
I'm confused by your saying that I am "monumentally inconsistent and confusing" but not saying I'm scum for it. Do you think I'm being monumentally inconsistent and confusing but that I'm town?
Anyway, it's not that I think more townie of Palmar for pushing me, but I was already thinking town on Palmar due to the rest of his filter, and I was already slightly worried about you due to the rest of your filter.
Also, you've seen me play quite a bit and I know you think I'm an asset to town. As far as Palmar is concerned, I'm just some guy who beat him as scum by surviving to the end of the game. So when I see you both pushing my lynch and I don't see a lot of great reasoning for it, it reflects worse on you than it does on Palmar.
On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
Going back to the Oats thing, no I don't find DP suspicious for attacking Oats because like I mentioned before I hold you in a higher regard than him, and I hold you in a significantly higher regard than a town-Ace, who couldn't make a good read if he was in a fucking library. Since I started playing here a year ago, I've only ever seen town-Ace champion town lynches or get mislynched himself. He's awful as town.
OK. But Palmar clearly thinks both yourself and Oats might be scum, and you have a townread on Palmar. I still think the "you should be able to see Oats is town" is a bad scumtell on me or anyone else for that matter. Mafia isn't an easy game.
For what it's worth, I'm also feeling better about Oats recently. He seems to be trying to move the thread forward now, and he is consistent in his defense of you and eagerness to sheep you. Can you point me to one of his scum games? I couldn't find any.
On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
For some reason people don't seem to care that Ace is highly inconsistent with himself starting from about last night. He tells us that there is no good reason for unvoting WaveofShadow, and then concedes that his posts felt genuine - so... this is a good reason to unvote WaveofShadow. He also says "this" - I don't know what "this" is - was the reason that Ace "unvoted" him. Ace never had his vote on him. A small mistake perhaps, but in The Game Ace almost led a blatantly town VE to the gallows for "lying". I said yesterday at some point that I couldn't really read Ace as mafia because he didn't seem to be pushing any agenda; I can't say that now.
I noticed that Ace had a few inconsistenices. For example, he said he unvoted WoS but his vote was not on WoS. Also, to beat the dead horse, it didn't make sense to think WoS is scum for "lying" about having claimed, because there is no scum motivation there.
But I also don't see any scum motivation for Ace's inconsistencies. I haven't had any reason to think Ace is scum. But I see you just posted something on him so I'll look at that.
@Axle I know you asked me something earlier, but I'm more interested in figuring out who we should lynch than answering it right now. Remind me later.
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On April 08 2013 05:11 marvellosity wrote:
Scum in LIX, I was smurfing as FiveTouch if you want to check my filter and how early I caught him. My first post I believe.
Well I feel much better about Oats as a result of reading that game. His filter this game reminds me much more of red team than LIX. In LIX he seems even more negative, and much more of a wuss.
But I also feel slightly worse about you because you apparently can be super useful as town :p
Anyway, is Ace the only lynch on the table? I've found most of his posts to be logical and agreeable, especially him questioning why there was a wagon on me. I could pretty easily see him being town. There are a couple things I agree are odd but I don't see the mafia motivation for them.
He "lied" about unvoting WoS, but I see no mafia motivation for doing so.
He has been trying to discredit Palmar, but I don't see why he would do that as mafia when nobody else seems to have a problem with Palmar, and you and I have already stated townreads on him.
I wouldn't feel terrible about an ace lynch because I can count 8 people that I feel stronger about being town than Ace, but I'd definitely feel better about lynching either prplhz or Axle.
marv why are you leaning town on axle? Do you not find any of these points concerning: - hopped onto my wagon with some meh reasoning
- he hopped off as a result of some small explanation I gave, and I got the feeling he only backed off because my wagon was no longer the 'in' thing
- he has almost exclusively talked to and about only myself and WoS, and on top of that, it's all been about just 1 post from WoS early in the game. He hasn't been partaking in the discussion of other big issues in the thread.
- he is supposedly more active as town
getting food and will be back shortly. Convince me on Ace scum and Axle town.
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On April 08 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
scib where did you disappear to?
Don't worry marv I know you love your scib heuristic and I haven't fucked off. Just been thinking about you, and Ace, and Axle, and reading. I'll be back in like 20-25 minutes. See my previous post and tell me what you see in Ace's play that is mafia motivated, and what you see in Axle that makes you think town.
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On April 08 2013 07:08 Palmar wrote:
We need three votes in the next few hours.
Kill sonofabitch.
Unless Ace makes me think more townie of him by the deadline, I'll be willing to vote him to avoid a no lynch.
Can you elaborate on your town read of Axle? You haven't explained it at all. Here are some of my grievances on him for reference:
On April 08 2013 06:41 sciberbia wrote:
[*] hopped onto my wagon with some meh reasoning
[*] he hopped off as a result of some small explanation I gave, and I got the feeling he only backed off because my wagon was no longer the 'in' thing
[*] he has almost exclusively talked to and about only myself and WoS, and on top of that, it's all been about just 1 post from WoS early in the game. He hasn't been partaking in the discussion of other big issues in the thread.
[*] he is supposedly more active as town
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@marv
Can you stop arguing with DP and get back to me about Axle. I'm looking at his filter from Noir where he flipped town and he is discussing a bunch of different things with a bunch of different people, and seems to be trying to lead town in the right direction. I see none of that this game. I think he's more likely scum than Ace and it seems there is enough interest in lynching him that we can get a legitimate wagon going.
##Vote AxleGreaser
Palmar, can you stop ignoring everything I say to you and tell me why you think AxleGreaser is town?
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Ace pay attention. I'm not suggesting we lynch Axle just because he was a bit lurky.
On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
How deeply did you think about why the difference if there is one might exist?
I honestly did not think that deeply about it. Scum are more likely than town to restrict the number of people they have to talk to and the number of issues they have to comment on. Townies are more likely to want to give opinions on all the big issues in the thread and steer town in the right direction. So in general the fewer discussions/topics that a player partakes in, the more likely I think they are to be scum. I find it suspicious that you have talked almost exclusively about myself and WoS.
On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
Did you ask if there could be a towny reason for the difference?
There could be. In fact it's quite possible. As you said, it is possible that for whatever reason you thought the rest of the thread was developing fine on its own, and you just happen to be extremely interested in myself and WoS.
On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:
Did you consider the options above?
Yes. I considered that you could be town. I considered that you could be scum. I have more and better reasons to think you are scum than reasons to think you are town, which is why my vote is on you.
In regards to marv notes, they haven't changed my read on axle. I disagree with marv that Axle's reasons for voting me make perfect sense. Axle just said "sciberbia has given several reasons that he thinks WoS are town but they don't seem consistent with a townie mindset or level of suspicion". He does not demonstrate why this is so. He just states that it is.
Also, I'm really not sure why he unvoted me at all. Axle maybe you could explain. You originally voted me because you thought I wasn't demonstrating a townie mindset or level of suspicion. But then you seemed to unvote me just because you realized why I said that you misinterpreted one of WoS's posts, which isn't extremely relevant to the reasons you were voting me.
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gee thanks palmar. im a little irked that you couldnt do that a couple hours ago when i specifically asked you to.
marv i dont know what filter you're reading but i think ace has been pretty 'nice' all game long. which of his posts do you find abrasive?
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YESOIDHFIAEHFHE S|!!!!!!!!!!
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LETS GO!!! best feeling in the world right here
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On April 08 2013 09:10 DarthPunk wrote:
SuCK IT BITCHES> I AM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME!
<3<3<3
high-five DP!
I love how I was just like meh I'd prefer Axle and an hour later he is lynched lol. Feels so good.
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On April 04 2013 07:31 Dandel Ion wrote:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow the instant majority format, so dayphases are irregular. We will use two nightaction-deadlines at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) and 12:00 GMT (+00:00). If all actions are sent in for the first occuring deadline, we will start the dayphase. At the second occuring deadline, we will start the day regardless of any unsent actions. The game will be started at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) once it is full.
Personally I hope it's not until the 8PM EDT deadline because I need a well-deserved break :D
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Hi Tunkeg. I'm trying to figure out your alignment.
This is the post that sticks out most to me in your filter
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote:
@WoS - May I have your attention!!
Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it.
The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines.
To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons!
In particular, I want to understand what you meant by this:
On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote:
Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out
If WoS had done as you asked and written a case on prplhz, would that have dissuaded you from thinking WoS is scum?
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On April 09 2013 06:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ill be back in like 9 hours?
Palmar please be useful.
PLEASE.
no I'm happy so whatever. Last day went better than expected.
Palmar in future could you read my damn posts? Might have helped you find scum instead of push me all day >_<
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On April 09 2013 07:38 iamperfection wrote:
when is day post?
00:00 GMT (+00:00) which is about 80 minutes from now
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Sciberbia's N1 Deadline Post
Required Reading (Especially For Palmar)
Part I: Axle's filter
Due to the prevailing TL meta, I highly doubt all 3 mafia would push my lynch, so between Oats, Palmar, Marv, and rayn, there is probably at most 1 scum.
It worries me a little that WoS was at 6 votes and Axle was inconveniently not around to hammer. But judging from this post, Axle was legitimately going to bed right before the wagon on WoS picked up steam.
Going with the same logic that not all 3 scum would push a town WoS, there probably is at most 1 scum between WoS, prplhz, Tunkeg, Palmar, marv, and rayn.
Finally, in this post, Axle says he is unwilling to vote Ace. Here are some facts about the state of the thread at that time - Ace had 4 votes
- DP had voted Axle. I was pushing Axle. WoS said he could get behind an Axle lynch.
- Axle had given no prior read on Ace, so he was free to say anything he wanted about Ace.
- Nobody wanted a no-lynch, and it was looking like Ace was the only lynch on the table, but the Axle lynch was picking up some steam
So if Ace is town, I think it's odd that Axle didn't vote Ace. Getting Ace to 5 votes might have saved Axle's life, and it wouldn't even be that difficult. All Axle had to say was that he thought no-lynch was a bad idea (he did in fact say this) and that Ace was the only wagon on the table.
Instead, he said he was happy with his vote parked uselessly on WoS. I guess it's possible that Axle just didn't realize he would actually get lynched, and for whatever reason thought he would look bad for putting his vote on a town Ace, but I feel like overall the fact that Axle did not vote Ace is evidence towards Ace being scum.
Part II: Voting Analysis
+ Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 09:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:
WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, AxleGreaser
marvellosity (1): Ace
Ace (2): marvellosity, Oatsmaster
AxleGreaser (7): DarthPunk, sciberbia, iamperfection, Palmar, raynpelikoneet, prplhz, WaveofShadow
Not voting (0):
HAMMERED.
Silence, now.
Nightpost incoming.
Knowing Ace's alignment would be pretty helpful in analyzing the final votecount.
If Ace is scum, then I still think DP/myself/iamp look quite good for starting the Axle wagon instead of just letting Ace die, but I'm not sure it says a lot about Palmar/rayn/prplhz/WoS that they were willing to jump on it. It would also makes Tunkeg the only person with their vote not on scum. And it would make marv look pretty good.
If Ace is town, then I think it's pretty safe to say that DP/myslef/iamp/Palmar/rayn are all town as well. Obviously, prplhz and WoS would look damn good for their votes too (and they don't look particularly scummy anyways). This would mean that the remaining 2 scum are likely somewhere in marv/tunkeg/Oats and I dunno but that just doesn't seem too likely. I get the same feeling that iamp expressed
On April 09 2013 02:51 iamperfection wrote:
ace has to be scum doesn't he? i'm having a hard time getting a clear picture that doesn't include him as scum
I think Axle + Ace + Tunkeg makes the most sense of any possible scumteam. + Show Spoiler + But it's never that easy so I'm probably wrong on at least 1
Part III: Reads
sciberbia + Show Spoiler +just double-checked my role PM and it hasn't changed
DarthPunk + Show Spoiler +I'm not even going to read his filter again (9 pages fuck that). He has seemed really townie to me all game. He wouldn't lynch me or WoS and he is probably the biggest reason Axle was lynched. Almost surely town
iamperfection + Show Spoiler +Pretty sure he is town. I just went through his filter again. I was thinking town on him at the very beginning of the day, and he continued to be active and I don't see any cause for concern. He was anti-axle early in the day and he jumped on the axle wagon without hesitation.
It was a bit odd that he never seemed to comment on the scib or WoS wagons but there's no scum motivation in that. I guess it's possible that he is scum but no reason to worry about it for now.
Palmar + Show Spoiler + I haven't read any of his scum games, but his reasoning/mindset/methodology all seem very similar to the one game I played with him where he was town. I heard he sucks at scum and I'm not too worried that he is good enough at scum to fake it. Also, despite pushing me for most of the day, he helped make the Axle lynch happen.
Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler +
His play seems very similar to his town meta (red team) and very different than his scum meta (LIX). He is very consistent in his idolozation of marv and eagerness to sheep marv. Also, he is very active.
If marv is town, I really can't imagine Oats would be brave enough to interact with marv the way he has, and I would also have a difficult time believing that marv is wrong about Oats since he's supposedly so good at reading Oats.
If marv is scum, then I guess Oats could be scum but even then I doubt it. His play just seems very consistent with town Oats and inconsistent with scum Oats. And how likely is a marv + Oats scumteam at this point anyways? Just based on math, it's quite doubtful.
raynpelikoneet + Show Spoiler +This is a read I feel somewhat good about but doesn't seem to be shared by other people. So I'm going into a bit of detail. First of all, think about who rayn is as a player. I don't know a lot about him, but I'm going to quote Palmar: On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better Nothing I have seen suggests that rayn is an especially sneaky/deceptive/clever player. This isn't an insult, but I just have no reason to believe he'd pull off any great stunts as scum. So first of all, he gets a serious amount of town credit for immediately (within 1 minute) sheeping Palmar onto the Axle wagon. That's a pretty ballsy play as scum. Also, I give him townie points for drawing so much damn attention to himself early in the game and being so active. I think everyone originally had a slight townread on him due to this. Next up, he is pretty much obsessed with vets, especially Palmar & marv. IMO this is very townie. I'm not sure I can put this into words but I will try. Rayn is a newer player. For newer players epecially, respected vets seem like these big important badasses that pretty much run the game. So as town, I can 100% feel why he'd have such a drive to figure out their alignments and ask them as many questions as possible. But as mafia, I'd expect him to be much more scared of Palmar and marv and stay away from them much more. Hopefully I explained this OK. Anyway, posts like these seem very townie to me: + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace. Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace? On April 05 2013 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 09:56 marvellosity wrote:On April 05 2013 09:53 Palmar wrote:
btw marv when you said you were worried about me giving a serious answer, were you serious? and can you elaborate what makes it worrying? Seriousception. I was somewhat serious yes. It's curious you gave a serious answer to me about voting Ace, when my vote for him was predicated on the zero posts that he'd made so far in the game. For whatever reason you felt compelled to give me a proper reason for not voting for him, and I'm not entirely sure why. I was 'expecting' you to be like "oh yeah let's lynch Ace", although maybe I should have given better reasons... can you guys do something else than be <3<3<3<3<3 with each other? On April 05 2013 10:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yo Palmar, who should i vote on? On April 05 2013 12:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv can you pick up the pieces if you are town. kthxbye On April 05 2013 10:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
:D you too. I think you are town, not sure about marv though. Is he town? On April 07 2013 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OH fuck Palmar.. Why did you say that`? On April 07 2013 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmm marv, why vote for sci if your last post implies you think Ace is scum? On April 08 2013 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar, what about marv's shitty reasons why Axle was looking good? Also this post feels quite townie. I don't know if rayn would be sneaky enough to think of saying something like this as scum. It also fits in with the whole obsession with vets thing. On April 07 2013 03:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do hats here usually balance the games so that if three "newbiest" players rolled scum they would switch one of them with more experienced player?
What i mean is can we assume scumteam has at least one player who is amongst the most experienced ones?
WaveofShadow+ Show Spoiler +I explained in the middle of the day why I was thinking town on him. Events since then have only made him look more townie. The fact that he was Axle's primary scumspect points to him being town. The fact that he hammered Axle points to him being town. He has been active and his posts in general have felt fine. Also, this post seems townie to me. I doubt whether WoS would be sneaky enough to fakeclaim VT and then remember to say this: On April 08 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah that's right, I could theoretically be LR or a Miller or something.
Not that it matters. Maybe he should be higher on this list but tbh I've been ignoring some of the stuff surrounding him. + Show Spoiler +
If I have to read one more post about his town-claim or his "lying" about it I think I'm gonna have to kill someone.
Well crap I guess I should have started the list from the other end because now I only have 30 minutes to talk about the people that I think could be scum. Oh well. I don't think I have a whole ton to add on any of them anyway.
marv + Show Spoiler +
ugh fucking 15 page filter and don't have time to look at it. Don't feel like talking about marv anyway.
I'm feeling that marv is more likely than not town. Not sure why exactly. Don't have any particularly great reasons but here goes:
Based on discussion earlier, 15 page filter is probably a bit of a towntell. Also, scum marv probably wouldn't have ended up looking bad for Axle lynch. Also, iamp and Palmar think he is town.
Maybe we should all just call him town for a couple days and look at him again if he hasn't been shot and we haven't already won.
These people don't even look that scummy to me, but everyone else looks pretty townie. I'm running out of time to reread filters and don't really have anything to say about Ace or prplhz so I'm skipping the reasoning on them.
prplhz
tunkeg + Show Spoiler +I looked at tunkeg's filter for a bit today and have some mixed feelings. things I don't likeIn the early game, a few of his paragraphs were basically summaries and I didn't think it was necessary of him to post them. I don't like how he is pretty invisible and has mostly said reasonable and agreeable I things. I was surprised to see people giving him townie points for his case on WoS, because I really don't think it was that strong of a case. I already touched on this briefly. WoS finally defended himself against it and I agreed more with WoS's interpretation of events than Tunkeg's. I also don't like how he mostly only stays in his own little world of pushing WoS. Same scumtell I used on Axle. He doesn't address many other big issues in the thread. Finally, his post about giving WoS an out seemed to me like a thinly veiled attempt at giving himself an out. Looked to me like he wanted WoS to make a nice post so that he could have a reason to unvote WoS since it was no longer the 'cool wagon'. Nobody else pointed this out though so maybe I misinterpreted what he meant by 'giving WoS an out'. I'm also not sure how I feel about him going from 'WoS surely scum' to 'damn guess I was wrong' just because WoS hammered. I could easily see a townie Tunkeg deciding that the hammer doesn't mean that WoS is town. Like, prplhz wasn't nearly as convinced as Tunkeg was that WoS is scum, but he still doubts that WoS is town. I feel like Tunkeg might have really wanted 'out' of his WoS read and finally had his opporutnity. things I likeI like this post + Show Spoiler +On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote:
I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS!
He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!!
Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! for exactly the same reason marv did. It would take serious guts to say this as scum, especially if WoS is in fact town. I also like this post because it seems like he is just asking for marv/Palmar to disagree and call him stupid/scum + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 19:53 Tunkeg wrote:
I actually think sciberbias Oats/iamp post is his best in this game. It might be because I agree with the overall point of his post, iamp being greener and oats being redder. I also fail to see the overall scumplot in his play.
Hmm now that I've typed this out it seems I have more and better reasons to think Tunkeg is scum. He's definitely someone I want to think more about and might be a good lynch tomorrow.
ace
Fuck out of time.
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so... - we have no more lightning rod.
- we have no medics/jailkeepers.
- we have no idea who scum actually tried to shoot
- nobody got roleblocked because all roleblocks would be directed to marv
- parity cops beware because marv could quite possibly have been framed
- if we have a watcher that is imba as fuck and we have as good as won already.
I think that is all there is to say about night 1.
Oh and with the marv flip Oats looks even greener and I guess Ace looks a bit redder.
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for what it's worth, flavor implies marv was not the original shot. But we probably could have guessed that anyways.
and no im not instalynching ace.
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On April 09 2013 09:45 Palmar wrote:
if ace somehow flips town we just lynch tunkeg and oats
oats? goddamnit palmar read my posts
why on earth would you think oats is scum after marv just flipped town?
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