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On April 11 2013 06:14 Obzy wrote:
Hm, I jumped around a little, allow me to clarify - again - I'm posting a little hastily today hehe.
My claim was stupid, I should have held onto it for longer for obvious reasons.
I think he is claiming scum because attacking me is fucking idiotic from a town perspective, and his logic sucks, and he's also lying.
Welcome to my world, Obzy. Now you know how I've felt this entire game.
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On April 11 2013 07:27 Fishgle wrote:
Alright, warent's implication that obzy and rainbows have a giant fake-claiming conspiracy is a bit too much. Hell, i'm extremely paranoid, but not that much. Two fake claims? If neither of them are telling the truth, then where are our real blues? Are any of you reading this blue? If obzy doesn't get killed tonight, and someone else reveals blue tomorrow, then i'll be willing to vote either rainbows or obzy. But right now, nope. Sorry, warrent. Doesn't make sense. You're trying to push a false conspiracy too far.
obzy, yesterday i was going to tell you that night is a bad time to claim doctor (i had a long post written out explaining why it was bad xD), but i didn't want to sound like an ass. I agree, i don't think there's any way that they're going to let you live now.
I think warent is trying to mislead us all by telling us to vote for one of the 4 guys who did the mislynch day 1. I think that day1 all of us that voted for a mislynch (me, obsy, moloch, smancer) are town. We just voted badly, mafia didn't even need to associate itself with the kill, and is now trying to push a lynch on us.
So with this in mind, and looking at the votes: The saraf kill makes more logical sense. Scum was trying to set us up for a jarjar kill day 2. [jarjar's votes were (3) Saraf jrkirby, jampidampi] But then jarjar finally stopped lurking and made a giant post against jrkirby. Look how quickly nobodywonder jumped out of the woodwork to join in on that lynch. Mafia thought that we would still be going after jarjar if jrkirby got mislynched (which we aren't, too much, even though we should be) and allowed jrkirby to die. So... possibly Warent + nobodywonder + rainbows/raven scumteam? It sounds kind of sketchy but with how well we have been killing ourselves off this game it might be possible that mafia has been mostly uninvolved directly with the kills.
Does that make any sense?
Sense made.
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Warent is scum.
My best guess for scumteam is Warent / NW / TRN.
##Vote: Warent
I believe Fishgle and Moloch are town, for now. Moloch PM'd me a picture of pizza once and it was awesome (illegal, I know, but he did not know, and it was epic).
Everyone else has been pushing townies into the ground this game. It's time that you start listening to me. If you're still paranoid I'm fakeclaiming - I'm not. I haven't been pushing a mafia agenda this entire game. Causing confusion? It's the scum that were blowing everything out of proportion and irrational townies doing much the same. I'm blue. Uncontested. And that's all I've ever claimed. At some point you townies in the crowd -- whether you like it or not -- must begin to understand.
People can claim my play was 'bad' or 'stupid' as town. It was. Emotions -- they get in the way of things. Mafia is an emotional game, we saw it with Obzy tonight when he begged to get shot and claimed Doctor. I was an emotional mess day 1. Since then, I've tunneled likely scum, and the thread has bashed me for not being productive while they go off and lynch themselves a greenie. I made no effort to stop them -- that I will confess -- because at some points I really didn't care anymore. I say, be productive TODAY. Lynch scum. Lynch Warent, and together we will find his buddies and purge them from this land.
I don't intend to sit idly by while scum win this game. If they do -- good job, you blew my small D1 shitstorm into a blinding cloud of diarrhea by the end.
Friends, townies, citzens of TL, lend me your ears -- and your votes. All townies must be on scum today, or we lose.
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Actually, it's 8 players left. 3 v 5. We can afford one more townie dying by NK. Whoever they kill, even if it's me, would give us great information. There is no reason to not go to a no-lynch.
##Vote: No-lynch
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On April 12 2013 00:47 Smancer wrote:
This day is already wasting, there is virtually no activity but lots of things to discuss.
@Rainbows, you said earlier that having 3 blue rolls in this format is "stupid op". Well, we now have two confirmed dead blues, and your claim as vig.
In regards to the nolynch, here are my thoughts:
I've been struggling with how exactly are we going to deduce information from the impending NK ? You said it will give us great information. I am sitting here trying to go through each person left, and trying to determine what it would directly imply if each person, including myself was their target in the night. IN most cases I get into a big heap of circular logic.
Furthermore Mafia knows the reason for a nolynch vote is to try and get information. So why would they NK someone who would give us information. If we vote nolynch today, wouldn't they NK the person that they think would give us the least Info, or the person that would throw us the most of the right path?
Fact of the matter is, all mafia has to do is pick one of us remaining townies at random, and sit back and watch the shit storm that would follow, while we focus entirely on the NK and not the other events that have happened.
I said it before, we have 3 very good things to discuss today before we decide on voting nolynch (well maybe not Obzy claim as he is dead now.).
We have to get a correct lynch, whether it be today, or tomorrow after voting nolynch. And the way I see it voting nolynch today could help the mafia as much is it might help us.
Well I'm trying to pin the scumteam right now. And I very well may have. The point is, if scum kill me you guys can trust me. If they kill one of the others, then I can be further sure of my reads. We don't have to no-lynch today. It's fine. We just have to kill scum.
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Smancer: Who should we lynch today?
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It's interesting, I thought there would be only 2 blues. In my first game it was a 1-shot cop and a JK versus goon/goon/RB. JK being a good blue, 1-shot being a handicapped blue. The fact there are 3 blues (cop/doc/vig) is indeed stupid op if the setup is goon/goon/RBer. Setup is probably goon/RB/ and then framer or GF in this case.
Or host decided to be friendly to town.
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Because Obzy led the horses to water. Someone has to make them drink.
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I want everyone to vote early in the day. Everyone.
That means NW, JJD, Fishgle. No last minute shenanigans.
##Unvote
##Vote: Warent
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+ Show Spoiler [Warent Disuades a Raven Lynch] +On April 07 2013 02:47 Warent wrote:An issue I have with the case against TRN is the following: TRN: Show nested quote +
Jampi: Why are you calling Rainbows out for policy lynching? He seems to have made it pretty clear he hates policy discussion in general, and he has yet to really use it in any of his previous games.
Jrk: Postig at random people is actually how rainbows plays. Look at the previous two newbie mini games for proof of that. Do you have another scum read? Or is the phrase other guy just referring to the lurkers?
Doesn't this look like TRN pointing out that Rainbows behavior is just Rainbow being Rainbow, I fail to understand why he would do that (early on) if he were hoping for a lynch against him?
+ Show Spoiler [TRN Disuades a NW lynch] +On April 06 2013 03:06 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote:NobodywonderOn April 05 2013 16:03 nobodywonder wrote:Well I can't say scum for sure, but I definitely don't like it. Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler +As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy. Seeing as how this is the third game now where NW has been a scummy read day one... have we ever wondered if NW just isn't that bright/isn't that good? I think NW just isn't that great and just makes mistakes and poor judgements that never seem to go well for him. Just curious rainbows: Do you think Saraf or Nobodywonder has a higher chance of being scum, seeing as how right now the way I read it based off that wording is that you yourself are now voting for a guy you think might be town compared to a guy you think is scummy.
For my own reference.
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On April 12 2013 02:02 Warent wrote:@TheRavensName Show nested quote +
I don't like how War got away without much scrutiney for the same things I was doing,
I can't really provide an answer to this. Show nested quote +
don't like how he was acting Last night and didn't scrutinize something that has morepotential scum motivations then that bad medic claim,ut
The medic claim was the most important event no one had looked at more closely. It had plenty of scum potential! I actually didn't think Obzy just would give up, and I was suspicious towards him from after day 1. Why? Him hardcore defending Rain didn't make sense to me, it did to you? In any case my analysis was still correct - but my conclusion was wrong. It was a horrible town move. Had been an at least an interesting scum move. I'm sleeping when most of the actions are happening, sorry about that, but can't really do much about it. I really don't understand do you think I'm working with Rainbow?
Well he is convinced I'm scum, but is willing to sheep my vote on you. If you can do the math, the numbers are interesting.
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Love how the scum twist all my actions to make them scummy haha
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At this point warent raven is pretty guarenteed scum imo.
Anyone who disagrees that isnt the accused please stand up.
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Raven, you scum. Been playing the same old cards the entire game. I'm interested if you've a bunny under your trenchcoat somewhere, maybe to show us some magic? You can try to keep convincing people I'm scum, but it's not going to work. Buddy, I'm town. You're done. I called out both you and Warent D1 (and probably your 3rd scumbuddy as well). You have been trying to fling shit to discredit me the entire game, keeping me as a mislynch for lylo. And it's worked. It's my fault as well -- because at some point I gave no shits about the town of this game anymore. That I'll admit.
Smancer, Fishgle, Moloch, JJD, NW you guys need to vote Warent or Raven. I 'd go with Warent just to be safe. One of you guys is the last scum so you can ignore me. But for the four townies in that group; do Obzy some great justice. Now he's in the great ObsQT in the sky, Obsing all over us, just praying for a Warent/Raven lynch.
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On April 13 2013 00:17 Warent wrote:
Fish: Earlier you complain about the way I was defending myself. The problem is: I don't even know what to defend myself against. There isn't even a (real) case against me. And currently the two players who are voting for me are my scum reads (rain and jarjar) - Doubt they will change their minds. I asked for questions, if you have any, please ask away.
I know many of you trust Rain. Consider this - if you think I'm working with Raven, why have we been focusing so much on trying to convince you guys about Rain rather than someone with fewer supporters?
This is a critical time, were is JarJar, were is Moloch (?) (I really expected him to be more active, but he haven't posted during the last 24 hours or so...). Who benefits from conversation right now? Town does. Why? I AM town - and I am set to be lynched. There is no NEED for scum to act right now. Town on the other hand. We are running out of time.
Seriously, look at jarjar, day 1 and day 3. Provide a terrible case -> go into lurker mode.
Because
A) Don't have to deal with other mislynches / aren't responsible for them
B) Even when I flip blue, you can blame it on my 'badness'
C) I've been the easiest target to pressure since late day 1
D) Lasagna
E) You've actually been trying to kill JarJar today
F) If Raven is town trolololololol
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If the 3 scum are all between JJD / Fishgle / Smancer / NW / Moloch, well played.
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And to think I actually have supporters... lol
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Yes, bring up all the dead people that voted for JarJar. You killed them, after all.
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On April 13 2013 00:50 Warent wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 00:44 Rainbows wrote:
Yes, bring up all the dead people that voted for JarJar. You killed them, after all. That's a lie. Lynch from day one and day two in spoilers. + Show Spoiler +Day one lynch:
TheRavensname (1) Rainbows
Rainbows (2) Warent, TheRavensName
jrkirby (2) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder
jampidampi (4) Smancer, Obzy, Fishgle, Moloch
JarJarDrinks (3) Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi
Day two lynch:
TheRavensname (2) Rainbows, Moloch
Rainbows (2) TheRavensName, Warent
jrkirby (5) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder, Fishgle, Obzy, Smancer
JarJarDrinks (1) jrkirby I did not Lynch them. And why the hell would I get rid of Saraf if I wanted to lynch you day2?
You did not lynch them. Yet you did nothing to prevent their lynch, instead put your vote on me uselessly. I just said you wanted to avoid taking responsibility for your actions, and here you are.
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On April 13 2013 01:10 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 00:57 Rainbows wrote:On April 13 2013 00:50 Warent wrote:On April 13 2013 00:44 Rainbows wrote:
Yes, bring up all the dead people that voted for JarJar. You killed them, after all. That's a lie. Lynch from day one and day two in spoilers. + Show Spoiler +Day one lynch:
TheRavensname (1) Rainbows
Rainbows (2) Warent, TheRavensName
jrkirby (2) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder
jampidampi (4) Smancer, Obzy, Fishgle, Moloch
JarJarDrinks (3) Saraf, jrkirby, jampidampi
Day two lynch:
TheRavensname (2) Rainbows, Moloch
Rainbows (2) TheRavensName, Warent
jrkirby (5) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder, Fishgle, Obzy, Smancer
JarJarDrinks (1) jrkirby I did not Lynch them. And why the hell would I get rid of Saraf if I wanted to lynch you day2? You did not lynch them. Yet you did nothing to prevent their lynch, instead put your vote on me uselessly. I just said you wanted to avoid taking responsibility for your actions, and here you are. Oh, so the exact same thing you did?
I take responsibilit for it. I openly admit I did nothing, because I rage quit and didn't care.
On April 13 2013 01:20 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 00:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 13 2013 00:37 Warent wrote:
The only thing against me seems to be: I don't trust Rain. When reading the above posts - is NOT trusting Rain a reason to be lynched for? Yes because he HAS TO BE the vigilante. That's the same point against Raven. Please answer me: how terrible would scum have to be to make that fake claim on day 1? It just would never happen. So you've been focusing on a blue role the entire game. And then who is the other person you focused on? Obzy, another blue. How terrible would scum have to be to claim cop last day with no reasoning other than trolling? Rainbows terrible
You keep bringing up my claim from last game. Totally different. We were WAY ahead and I knew everyone would trust me over whoever else claimed. So I trolled the fuck out of the thread and won the game with unnecesarry risk. Here, either I got SUPER lucky and avoided the one blue that wasn't in the game as scum, or I'm actually blue and my claim is real. I don't think I've ever seen a scum fakeclaim day 1 that wasn't like 30 mins before lynch to get a counterclaim out before they died.
If I was fakeclaiming for that purpose, I woulda picked Doc so we could pick him off the next night.
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