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On March 26 2013 08:13 Hapahauli wrote: Please sign-in by typing "I agree to all the rules and activity requirements in the OP." /agree | ||
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So let's save us some time and kill VisceraEyes? ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On April 02 2013 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not even spamming wtf? Not yet but I'm sure it will happen. Just taking precautions. | ||
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On April 02 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 09:10 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: On April 02 2013 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not even spamming wtf? Not yet but I'm sure it will happen. Just taking precautions. I hate you so much. Like it could be argued that your style of play (popping in once a cycle to provide reads and fucking off the rest of the time) is IMPOSSIBLE without people like me actively engaging others to PUT the information you use IN the thread in the first place. But whatever if you want to policy lynch me for being me, go right ahead. I'm confident that others in town will disagree with your limited view of my play. The way I played exists only because of people like you who flood the thread to near-unreadability. This game shouldn't be anything like last game. If it makes you feel better, if Kenpachi was in this game I'd lynch him first without even asking a question. Your play from last game was horrible relating to that claim and you failed to deliver on a lot of counts, so I don't think assuming people think you are indispensable is the best play for you. | ||
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##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? | ||
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There are two posts of risk.nuke that stand out for me. On April 02 2013 10:59 risk.nuke wrote: If I was scum I could just have claimed I believe strongly in the Kenpachi rule and talked about it's high accuracy and incriminated RoL for it. I would legitly look as if I were scumhunting and doing stuff at the same time as I would be pushing my mafia agenda. Instead I told the truth of what I believed in which made me look worse. Why did I do that, because I am mafia and retarded or because I am town and interested in finding scum, not just looking like I'm trying to find scum. He says what he could do as scum. But I don't believe that's how it would go. You bring up an idea and let people run with it or see where the thread takes it. If he were to do that it would also put pressure on him to keep up that level of aggression/focus on players. It's not a position most scum would be comfortable putting themselves in on Day 1. On April 02 2013 11:18 risk.nuke wrote: Why did I tell the truth? Because lying as a townie is stupid? Regardless of how great a trap you think you're setting. I don't KNOW you're town but I did have and still have a townread on you. There is no right or wrong answer about the Kenpachi Rule, some people believe strongly in it, some people believe less strongle. undeniably It has a high accuracy from statsistics but in my memory players who've been busted by it was generally newer players and doesn't neccersary mean the same thing for a player like RoL, but that wouldn't had been something I would have had to share with you now? I never heard of this rule, and here he is reinforcing the idea of it being accurate, but also mentioning that I might be immune to it since I am an older player. I don't like how he tried to simultaneously say how easy he could incriminate me if he was scum and how he is still trying to pretend this Kenpachi tell thing is real. As scum you couldn't possibly put so much pressure on someone for something so stupid. | ||
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To preface this, I noticed several things about cheesecake I found suspicious. The first was that he seemed to purposely lack reading comprehension at his convenience and the second is that he never really put pressure on anyone but was more willing to call a few people scummy. The third is that I feel is behavior and attitude purposely attempted to disrupt a good town environment. I will approach this in sections One On April 03 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jesus you guys are active while I'm asleep. ##Unvote I don't think we should lynch Risk today. How I got +2 to my pressure vote is beyond me. This is the first thing that tipped me off. To anyone who read the thread it's obvious. CC's pressure vote was mere coincidence and had nothing to do with mine or VE's votes on risknuke. We supplied reasoning in response to a conversation between the three of us. CC voted more or less for fun. In regards to Sylencia's vote, cool -- Good to see you're paying attention. Nothing was happening so I slapped down a vote on Risk. 20 minutes passed and nothing from him so I went to bed. Now we have shit to work with. What alarmed me the most was RoL's vote. He explains it here. Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 16:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No, I explained with my vote why I had been doing it. I expanded on my reasoning in my last post. The last post showed risk.nuke continuing to do what I originally outlined. Like I said, it was like he was looking for someone to pick up the slack of the kenpachi tell. This seems a far cry to think someone is scum. Oh, it looked like he was waiting for someone to sheep the Kenpachi tell... really? I'm not a fan "it looked like he was doing something potentially scummy" instead of "yeah, this is scummy" This is the next part that struck me. My words are being purposely twisted here. I said it that it appeared Risk.Nuke was looking for someone to pick up the slack. I didn't say it looked like he was doing it. There is a giant difference between the two statements. I expressed that I believed that risk was trying to make someone else push a bad lynch over a stupid tell. At no point did I express any sort of doubt, or notion of whim which CC clearly tries to interject here. I can't clearly read a thing Axle posts, at least Ghor I understand... On April 02 2013 22:32 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + I'd actually not talk about my (potential)scum read just yet. I want a certain interaction to be happening first. Most probebly, that will occour later today. On April 02 2013 22:27 AxleGreaser wrote: On April 02 2013 22:15 Lazermonkey wrote: Howdy folks! @Axle: I take L-1 as one vote from lynch, am I correct? Regarding risk: I'm not confident in voting him at the moment. While I agree that the "kenpachi-incident" makes him look kinda bad, he defended himself in a way I'm not sure scum would. I'd say that this could just as well be a strange town play rather than scum and it really comes down to WIFOM to figure out which one it is. + Show Spoiler + TBMK: in general use, L-1 = Lynch -1 = 1 more vote to Lynch. We are currently at L-2. So if you are "not confident in voting him at the moment.".... what do ? Lazer I want you to answer this question. Why do you use the parenthetical (potential)? How is somebody your potential scumread... scum have potential scumreads, town just have scumreads or town reads. Were you just waiting for somebody to slip up so you could call them out?[/QUOTE] Lastly the stab at Axle is unnecesary. I made a remark earlier about him and Ghor but since then Axle has made sense and stopped being a clown and I have developed a sense of enjoyment from Ghor's posts. The point just serves to generate hostility towards these players. Two On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless... Show nested quote + On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me. On April 03 2013 01:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: @Axle You're quite all over the place. Give me something to work with here. Who should we lynch today, based on current posts? Make a stance, because I can't seem to understand what exactly it is you're thinking. You ask a metric fuckton of questions, but they don't seem to be furthing your reads at all. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? On April 03 2013 01:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 03 2013 01:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hopeless... On April 02 2013 10:49 Hopeless1der wrote: On April 02 2013 10:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: ##unvote: VE ##Vote: Risk.nuke It's like you brought up the Kenpachi rule just to see if someone else was willing to run with it and kill me. Wanting townies to do your work for you? Why would I fake a perfectly legit argument? On April 02 2013 09:50 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote: On April 02 2013 09:45 risk.nuke wrote: VE, RoL. If you're going to tunnel-bitch-argue in the thread atleast argue about something remotely relevant. If you're going to criticize me for anything, you should answer questions posed of you first. Do you think RoL is scum for "contesting" my "claim" a la Kenpachi Rule? No I don't. Doesn't seem all that legit to me. On April 02 2013 08:44 risk.nuke wrote: On April 02 2013 08:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: On April 02 2013 08:37 risk.nuke wrote: Worst vote ever. On the contrary, best vote ever. I would argue that putting your vote on a townie is greatly suboptimal. Also, scumslip in that he knows CC is town. At this point in time risk had 3 votes on him. You kinda threw some shit at him and called him scummy. What was your intention with this post? I think risk is scummy but didn't want the day to end that soon. Also wanted to see if anyone agreed with my assessment of the supposed scumslip. Ghor is annoying as all hell and his intentions behind voting sylencia do not match with his scum read on risk.nuke. He wants sylencia to commit to some type of a read on risk and when he refuses to do so, calls him scum for it. No where does he validate why this is scummy. Combine that with what appears to be a trolling smurf hellbent on behaving like a caveman, and I think he's a good choice for lynch. It's that type of post I hate, Hopeless. I call it a Clarity. Clarity_nl did that in a game as scum, it was like he was bolstering a case without actually committing. I think that's what you were doing, prodding people to vote with no committal. And look, you can back out of it easy :D How do the intentions behind voting sylencia not match with a scumread on risk.nuke? Both of them could be scum, according to him? On April 03 2013 02:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Ghor please explain that shit because that would be the definition of deflecting pressure. Syl didn't talk much about scumreads (risk) but instead talked about other people. The quoted posts all illustrate where CC varies from taking a semi strong view on a player, to calling another few players suspicious. However in none of these posts did he ever go from trying to make a point and follow through with the pressure. At this point in the game CC has removed his vote and is just idling around without ever actually providing thoughts hes willing to follow through on. Three I pointed out earlier how he needlessly attacked Axle, and took a little jab at Ghur and we see it again in this post here: On April 03 2013 01:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2013 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi guys I'm reading. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like something I read, anyone wanna tell me what it is to lessen the impact reading it has? Posts that have "Ghor" at the top of them. His posts are not actually that bad apart from the formatting and they are even a bit entertaining. However it is super easy to generate hostility to a player who is not speaking in any easy to interpret manner because less people are likely to actually read the posts that Ghur puts out. That part that we have to look at here is what purpose it serves. You can say that I was belligerent towards VE early on, but it served a purpose. I aimed to start discussion. Both of his attacks on Ghur/Axle do nothing to stimulate discussion and serve to just disrupt a town environment that was fairly productive. Conclusion Mr. Cheesecake does not want to contribute, purposely uses strawman arguments by misinterpreting posts, and while posting criticisms of players he never truly pushes someone, and seems to just be looking for a lynch to get behind. When you couple that behavior with pointless attacks on easy targets it makes him an excellent lynch candidate for Day 1. unvote: risk.nuke Vote: Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On April 04 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote: I would also like to add that I'm aware of risk's lurky scum meta. But this is a mini and scum is required to be active, and risk has been forced to do so early (thus committing himself to keep up to that), so I will not put too much credit into his activity like he wants people to. I'm not too happy about his mono-scumread and null-everything-else. What happened to your broken English and speaking in third person? I found it enjoyable once I got past the initial irritation. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Show nested quote + If we no lynch, we end up in MYLO D3 instead of LYLO, not sure how you count.On April 06 2013 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information. This is all assuming no medic protections. Oh shit, i fucked up. I had it as 8v2 not 7v2 to start with. That was a whoops. | ||
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##vote: VisceraEyes If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of. DO IT UP | ||
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Here are some gems from that where you demand others to contribute. On April 04 2013 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Ghor would you also like to take a stab at swaying me to Sylencia? I'm here and feeling maleable. On April 03 2013 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I won't lynch Sylencia today. I DO want to know who Sylencia wants to lynch. On April 04 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I did miss that. ![]() I looked at Sylencia yesterday and decided I don't wanna lynch. Lazer even looked super scummy to me for his case. But I had missed your case and frankly now I'm not so sure where I stand on Sylencia. Here's my problem with Sylencia. Sylencia seems to be lynchbait - has been mislynched repeatedly for (I think) similar reasons you cite. Why guaranteed red flip to you? This is several posts among the majority of yours. You contribute nothing, demand stuff of others You never truly believed sylencia was red, yet for some reason you hammered the guy. You have an enormous thread presence but you never bothered to find a better lynch or push what you thought. Tell me, why the fuck would a town VE do that? You have a 6 page filter where you never once do something with conviction. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:49 Ghor wrote: I don't have time to play these games actually, here. RoL asks Cheesecake opinions about both risk and VE. Surprise! VE and Cheesecake are his scumreads, so what's risk going to be? Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 07:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alrighty. I finished rereading everyones filters. Cheesecake I would like your opinion on both Risk and VE if you would be so kind. Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 12:17 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright fuck this. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so. ##vote: VisceraEyes If cheesecake was scum this thread would not be dead and people would be talking. We are most likely barking up the wrong tree so fuck it. We are killing VisceraEyes because I said so and I don't feel like providing any other reasoning apart from saying that he is one of 3 people I am suspicious of. DO IT UP Show nested quote + On April 07 2013 16:15 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I'm sorry, but you are just voting me without any actual reasoning? I have reasoning, I have just not made it clear yet. Who would you lynch if it wasn't me? I never once cited that I wasn't up to date on the thread as a reason for not contributing. It took me a while to reread the whole game and filters but then I came in and posted just now. I used the dead thread as an observational tool in my analysis. Of my three scum reads atm Cheese is among them, however typically the only time a thread is dead is when the town is not pressuring or attacking a scum player. I have never seen a more dead thread and Cheese was 2 votes away from getting lynched. Anyway rereading this shit I feel like lynching RoL as well. I just noticed he went scum->town-> scum on Cheese I never once said I thought CC was town. I specified that among my three scum reads, the inactivity during the day while cheese was on the table would seem to indicate that of my 3 scum reads he could be wrong. Even though I still find his behavior suspect. | ||
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I was right on the first part every time, and everytime I assumed the second part I was wrong. Even in a game with only two scum it's easy for me to rationalize why the thread could be inactive while we are on the right track, but like I said, any rationalization of why I should ignore thread activity as an indicator has always proven wrong in the end. So while I believed CC to be scum leading up to the thread completely dying I am less confident now the thread has died. As for Risk.nuke, the recent posting is aggressive/bullying and not even close to productive. There was no scum slip, I inferred he was my scumread and you picked up on it. It's not too hard. I was initially planning on slow playing my scum reads assuming I could get responses but the thread was so dead I decided to attempt to drum up activity through causing chaos. Mission pseudo-success? Note the activity difference since we started considering VE and Risk.nuke as scum candidates compared to the entire two days preceding it? It's noticeably more active. Not to say that is a finalizing indicator that we are going the right way, but it definitely doesn't make me think we are going the wrong way in the same way that the CC lynch made me feel. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:54 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2013 08:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Risk's latest posting only served to solidify his place on my scum list. I would be open to killing him instead of VE, But I am curious to how you feel about that VE? Nice try but townies wouldn't care what their top scumread thinks. Unless you're trying to get more information out of him to determine his alignment, but that shouldn't be necessary since he's your top scumread and you know he's scum right. So why did you direct that question to your top scumread over other people. Because he have townie influence. Hello scumagenda. With scum like these, who needs townies. Good thing because I don't seem to have any. I'm always curious to what people think because unlike you who probably knows every players alignment I concede there is a chance my read can be wrong and a players thoughts could be worthwhile later. Alternatively it allows me to interpret what they attempt to do and decide how much wifom to go into. Suck it. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Risk.nuke If anyone cares to read his posting it's abrasive as shit and jumps on stupid tells/slips the whole game. Risk.nuke sucks and needs to die. Can we agree on this ghur? | ||
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Scummy. However, if you choose to hammer Risk right now I will not accuse you have sheeping and will legitimately try to reevaluate not just you, but every player and the game in its entirety. You have my solemn word! | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:49 Ghor wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2013 05:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VE, you have been sheeping votes, never provided original play, demanded others contribute and convince you to kill sylencia or hopeless. In the end after saying you wouldn't kill Sylencia you are the one who hammers him. Scummy. However, if you choose to hammer Risk right now I will not accuse you have sheeping and will legitimately try to reevaluate not just you, but every player and the game in its entirety. You have my solemn word! This is a pretty weird thing to say, you know. We don't even know if risk will flip red and it almost feels like you're offering VE a townread just cause he'd lynch him, no matter what alignment he is? I never said I would view him as town if he did it. I said that I would reevaluate things and try again. | ||
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On April 09 2013 16:21 Lazermonkey wrote: Well, I'm not doctor at least.. Show nested quote + 2 of the 4.On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds. You know your own alignment, so assuming you aren't the doctor it only leaves 2/3 other people who can be scum. | ||
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On April 09 2013 16:21 Lazermonkey wrote: Well, I'm not doctor at least.. Show nested quote + 2 of the 4.On April 09 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: If doctor claims then 2 of the 3 remaining people are scum. I like dem odds. As a side note, I really feel funny about this post. It's like he didn't realize he could count himself out if he knew he was town. | ||
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Sorry for procrastinating. I figured if you were scum ghur that a smart play would be to pretend your the medic and secure a lynch before the other medic had a chance to counter claim. Now that is not a possibility anymore. | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote: RoL is far scummier than I am. I'd hammer myself if it weren't mylo. ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD Also, what's with this phrasing? I'm far scummier than you? You know there is a 66% chance I am scum, you should know you aren't scum if you aren't. What's do you look so apprehensive? | ||
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On April 10 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote: As far as the scum, CC and Lazer did a really good job staying active. I thought Lazer was really catchable with his Day 2 voting actions (he was really throwing his vote around for litte rationale), but it was hard to take a serious look at him given the poor town atmosphere and activity. CC played an excellent game. RoL made some good observations on CC with his initial case on him (namely his negative attitude towards discussion and some passive finger-pointing), but the case wasn't pushed at all, and you're not going to lynch an active player like that. Yeah, I was really busy around that time and just had time to post the case and couldn't do much more. I will say I was really annoyed that the town was mad that I didn't comment on hopeless/sylencia at that point. There really was no discussion leading up to that, it was practically idle jabs with nothing significant brought forward. | ||
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On April 10 2013 20:44 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2013 19:29 Ghor wrote: First, something relevant: All of town didn't sound sure about hopeless and RoL, and it should actually be worth a look when people like LM and CC don't find these people scummy, or defend them as lynch bait where everyone else doesn't have a clue. Especially if you are one of those people and know you're town you should take a closer look at anyone defending you like that. Sorry to pull you out of your shell where you did everything right, but everything you say I was, was actually your own fault. You played like a dick at a time where I was choosing between you and CC, and I even asked you nicely to discuss with me, omgus: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 21:00 Ghor wrote: Several hours before lynch: Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote: On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote: @ risk You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why? Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk? Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously. On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote: Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all ![]() I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at). Still, quick rundown: Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie). In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all). I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that. With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting. I didn't like neither of the bolded statements. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him. Shortly before lynch: Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote: I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play. Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote: I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me. I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch. That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY? Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote: Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that? Show nested quote + On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote: On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they? Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice. Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless? All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to". Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about. "But Ghor, I wasn't confident" I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification. So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before. Show nested quote + On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote: On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote: I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one. That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait). You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now. Why do you find CC suspicious? Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town? I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong. I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. Seem like you do want towncred for it though. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now. Sorry buddy :o] ##Vote risk.nuke + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 21:48 risk.nuke wrote: LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy? Where do your logic come from? ##vote: Ghor I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so. I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth. Denial: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:53 Ghor wrote: ##Unvote Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum. RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point? On April 06 2013 02:55 Ghor wrote: In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 05:17 risk.nuke wrote: Because I gave you a chance to prove that you give a shit about this game when you weren't under pressure. Which you didn't take. RoL promised activity. I have an upcoming exam to study to. I'm not going to waste time discussing with the same old people and decide which one of the active players I want to kill while I still can't get reads on the suspicious lurkers. And Hope you've not been posting for a lot longer then most of us. Your last post was 48 hours ago. On April 08 2013 07:46 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not bothering with you anymore Ghor. You're not so retarded that you could actually be town, just lay down and die. On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote: I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will. How close we'd have been to lynching CC if risk didn't dick around in refusal. + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2013 05:28 Ghor wrote: I'd like to introduce you to an interesting view. I want to lynch CC and risk equally. Risk wants to lynch me and agreed on CC being suspicious. Prefers me for lynch and doesn't ever pressure CC. CC wants to lynch me and risk, but prefers me for lynch. He doesn't help in getting information out of risk. Remember CC's early pressure vote and how he said he had no idea how risk could get +2 votes without even commenting on what happened? @ Lazer Don't think VE is scum. On April 08 2013 09:04 Ghor wrote: I simply want him to respond to the points like a normal, calm dude before I decide that he's worth today's hammer. I'm curious to see if he's actually able to take back the scumread from me. He's being extremely abrasive and sounds pretty paranoid right now ("You don't want to know stuff from your top scumread"), so I'm not excluding he's just a pissed off townie who thinks he's being tackled by two scummers. I need him to talk civil before deciding. And now that the game is lost he suddenly was about to write posts? Bitch please. Risk behaved like an angry kid, no matter how nice you talked to him. After making a case against risk you're scum and retarded and he doesn't need to help you get a better read on him. Let me pull you out of your shell where I'm the idiot. It's not your word against mine, it's your word against everyone and saying I was a scummy dick in an attempt to make you feel/look better doesn't making it so. The cases against me WAS retarded you daft little fucker. I sat at this computer entire days ready to post. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is to put effort into a gamer and then your co-player doesn't or are retards? And then when the game is over the little fags have the nerve to try to pin it on me? I wasn't posting because I was going over you RoL and Hopeless trying to find which one of you was the retard and which two was scum. Then all of a sudden I get hammered by you YOU FUCKING RETARD. You can ask strong&big that I was around, I asked for the qt minutes after I got hammered. I was here. You acted sketchy as fuck. You clearly didn't look so amazingly town or you wouldn't of died. After we started voting you, you proceeded to look more scummy and then stopped posting so we hammered you. Deal with it and stop being a little whiny cunt. If you want to bitch at me, fine. But Ghor played and was active the whole time and legitimately tried. This is not to say that I didn't, I did try and am definitely annoyed with the results of my scum reads. | ||
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On April 10 2013 21:30 Hopeless1der wrote: everything since risk's lynch I'd blame on myself and RoL tbh. The game only lasted another 5 pages after that. You guys hammered me and it was GG. I think we should of taken our time, and I do apologize for my lack of activity in mylo. I was really sick the past couple of days and my head was throbbing. | ||
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